The National Midnight Star #2091

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"Chad Werner" videos An entire state of Rush sightings! Neil Peart vs. Carter Beauford (none) Anthem Tour Schedule? My versions of future Rush releases (YEAH RIGHT!!) Mmcxii... Comments and Regrets James Taylor covers RUSH Two weird questions & one normal question Rush Remasters and CD-ROMs too fast for their own good marillion live album Dimlit Stages Rush out of touch Re: Territories effect Re: embarassing Masked Rider & Shock Rock 2 Re: Naked man on 2112 Album Cover (back) rush in hall of fame Here's an idea: Big Band Rush Rush DVD Neil vs. Carter revisited Live album thoughts RU SH ummmm is this thing on? <cough> TOOL: rivaling RUSH Exactly My Point! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Hitterdal <Hitterdal@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:45:31 -0400 Subject: Go see The Hip in the Northeast Any Rush fans in the Boston/NH/Vermont/Maine area may want to consider going out to catch The Hip next week. They are at Hampton Beach Casino in NH on Thursday the 27th, The State Theater in Portland Maine on Friday and at Sugarbush Mountain in Vermont on Saturday. If you are from the Toronto area it should be less than a 10 hour road trip. The shows are all only about 2000 people and the casino show is only $15 ($58.92 Canadian) and if you call them directly there are no service charges - go to www.thehip.com. It beats sitting a mile (43.2 kilometers) away in Maple Leaf Gardens. I'm heading out there from Minnesota to see all three shows. The Hip with their latest release have become the first band in 16 (84.3 dog) years I look more forward to a new release from than Rush. Rush is still far and away my favorite band though - what they like to play now and what I like to listen to are just not as close as they used to be. I would walk to New Hampshire from Minnesota to see Rush for three nights if they promised to play In The Valley - even just the classic Alex lead in riff, or Here Again with an extended guitar solo. Has anyone else noticed a large increase in the amount of Rush played on the radio lately? Seems every place I have travelled they have been playing them - especially Working Man. Some radio industry survey come out that ranked them high or something? Both of our local newer rock stations have been playing 2112 and Working Man all the time. evil 1998 NFC Central Division and Superbowl Champion Minnesota Vikings preseason total score 62-0. phantom power ---------------------------------------------------------- From: sfinkel@qualcomm.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:09:34 -0700 Subject: repost by implied request: Tostado =) Yum! Toastado ================= If we burn our toast Frying too hot for the bun If the moment of golden (brown) Has past us before its noticed If the slice is done -- Though everything is charred We will scrape the blackstuff But we will not spread the lard When the carbon's been cleared And victory denied Tortilla too soft-y Bagel's a little too wide If the jam does glide -- Though loaves so nice are lost We will heat the rice, But we will not serve the toast And if the toaster stops! There's only the pound-cake to blame All the hope and glory All the kneading done in vain [and] if the loaf has grains Though every slice is tossed We will slay them twice But the baker we'll not accost My apologies to rush fans everywhere for this [re] travesty of humor. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:07:23 -0500 Subject: Different Stages setlist... (Dear rush-mgr, Feel free to delete this entire post...it's just my feelings on the whole thing, and I don't mean to directly offend anyone -- just make them realize what they're doing. Thank you.) Okay, yeah, I'm disappointed that The Analog Kid isn't on the album, and I could come up with a whole list of songs I wish were on there, but let's cut to the chase, shall we? We could not even be *getting* a live album. We could not be getting the AFTK show, and there's a lot of people out there who didn't make it to any of the CP/T4E shows (myself included). Yeah, I don't like the fact that Rush corrects their mistakes on live albums, but I'd rather have that than listen to one more person bitch and complain about the setlist. It's what the band chose, and there must be a reason for it! What the reason is, I don't know. Personally, I don't mind them putting CTTH on the album, because I'm anticipating something like when I heard the ASOH version for the first time, when the ending completely caught me by surprise. There's a reason it's on there -- I'm sure if the band just needed something to fill in space, and they didn't much care what it was, they would have picked some song *no-one* cares about. And, as for TS, they've been playing the song for at least 17 years now, so it's *bound* to have some sort of deviation from the ESL version. Sure, I made jokes about the setlist at first, but I think everyone here is forgetting a *VERY* important thing here -- the band owes us *nothing*. They make music for themselves, and then we buy it because we like it, too. I can't figure out how people keep coming to the conclusion that just because we support them, and they're grateful to us for supporting them -- just because of that, everyone thinks they owe us something!! NO!!! And if "fans" keep acting like a bunch of whiny little brats who don't get their way, and refuse to give Neil the privacy he requests, I can't say I'd blame them if they called it quits. No, I wouldn't be happy, but I'd deal with it, because it's not the end of the world. Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: The King of Norway <joelforeman@usa.net> Date: 21 Aug 98 13:31:59 MDT Subject: Rush sighting Hey anyone out there in Rushland! I was at a gas station in Orlando, and I saw that someone left the gas pump at $21.12. Was it someone on the list? It was really cool. Joel Foreman http://members.aol.com/joel4man ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:31:00 -0700 Subject: territories an orbital mind-control laser told wchall@email.unc.edu to say: >I was listening to Territories on headphones yesterday and I noticed >that in the opening vocals, there are two echoes of geddy's line. The >first comes in soft on the right channel, and the second even softer on >the left channel. Anybody else hear this? It's called "ping pong" or stereo echo--bounces from side to side. can be a REALLY cool effect with drunks--watch 'em fall over. - mike "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Will Holt" <holtwm@gte.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:46:40 -0400 Subject: OOOOOF...SALESMEN!!!! I had a question about TSoR. What is the intent behind the verse "And it echoes with the sounds of salesmen"? Is he referring to Rush as being salesmen and this is a good thing (objectivism)? Or is he referring to others who only care about making money off music and putting them down by referring to them as salesmen? What kind of comment is he making with regard to Paul Simon's original lyrics? Thanks to Mike Bahr, I have my very own copy of _Darkness and Light_. One warning to those thinking of purchasing this CD. Geddy's voice sounds terrible! He must have had a cold that night. You can hear him struggling to get the words out on just about every song. His voice is constantly cracking and he often sounds like he has a frog in his throat. This also seems to throw the other guys off. Sound quality is great but not as good as _Mirrors_. It sounds like it might be from a later generation copy or something, maybe even from analog tape. A lot of the low end is missing from songs like "Xanadu" and "Show Don't Tell". Also got _A Desperate Voice_ and it is AWESOME!! It is great having soundboard quality versions of "Territories", "Lock and Key" and "Prime Mover" on CD. Will ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ronald Smith" <rjsmith@mby.auracom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:51:07 -0300 Subject: Why is everyone so disappointed about the setlist... Dear Rush fans, Why does everyone seem disappointed about the setlist from the = forthcoming live CD set? I, for one, am grateful to the band for = continuing to release recordings; after almost 25 years, it seems that = many of us have gotten blase about new material, whether it's live or = studio. We should never take Alex, Geddy , and Neil for granted, as this = could be their last release as a band. If this is the case, many thanks = for a lifetime of musical memories. If they continue into the new = millenium, I'm sure they'll produce top-quality music for their legions = of fans world-wide. I've always pictured the boyz doing a huge farewell concert at a = well-known venue, say the Skydome, with 50,000 + fans in attendance for = one last curtain call. This would seem more fitting as the end than = anything else. I'm excited that there are some tracks on the new CD set = that I have never heard done live; we poor blokes in Atlantic Canada = don't get to see the band very often, anymore, so I am greatly = anticipating this new work. I don't know if any other rock band has done four live recordings. = It would be nice if the band does another "cycle" of four studio albums, = then a final live set. Whatever the band members do decide to do, we = should respect their decision and continue to be fans. Heck, they might = even start their next tour in Eastern Canada....... ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chaz M." <chaz@intessera.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:07:37 -0600 Subject: Grand Designs of Mice & Men....The Pilgram Plymouth Rock Dance... Four score and seven NMS's ago... Our founding fathers set out to make the NMS page... The sacraficed, time, effort, small farm amimals, wives, kids, and yes....EVEN SPORTSCENTER HIGHLIGHTS!!! See all ye on the cyber waves, I sense an ere of ungrateful attitudes..... Each new release....LIKE IT OR NOT.......is like the pilgrams landing on plymouth rock and jumping out of the boat yelling.... "Ohhhhhhh GREAT!!!!! THIS IS JUST GREAT!!!!!! LAND!!!!! JUST WHAT I NEEDED!!!! LAND.....NO MORE WATER!!!" You see, just take the releases as they come, and be grateful you lived in the time when dinosaurs ruled the earth!!!! Open up the heart of gratefulness....think about it....most bands that started out when RUSH did are either dead-dudes now or working some sorry 9-5 gig like the rest of us.... So....just rejoice....remember, we're only IMORTAL for a limited time.... Ahh, to knive my way into the bitter Grand Designs of Mice and Men!!!! Ciao Chazmiester ---------------------------------------------------------- From: cfogel@internet.omm.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 14:01:59 -0800 Subject: Live Album Overdubs QUESTION: How much overdubbing was used to "treat" the band's live albums? Would anyone care to post a somewhat detailed discussion of the dubs? I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holladay <holladay@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:06:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Neil's intelligence >I don't know about Geddy or Alex, but I know Neil was a high school >dropout. (Simply amazes me, still, that the man is that brilliant, and >he dropped out of high school. He's better educated and more well read >than a lot of college graduates I know.) In my opinion, Neil is as brilliant a philosopher and writer as he is a drummer. I guess it depends on what you mean by "educated and well read," but he is a genius...no one that I know (personally) even comes close! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Keene <mkeene@cts.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:39:00 -0700 Subject: re. "Chad Werner" You have brought up some interesting points, but I think I have a few good reasons to support my argument, and here they are: When the B. Boys first came out in the 80's, it was hard to take them seriously as a "white" rap band. If you study your rock history, you'll see that R&R was heavily influenced by the blues, which was a form of music pioneered by black artists. One of the main arguments against rock music by parents in the fifties and sixties was the objection that their WASP kids could not listen to anything connected with black culture. The same is true of rap today (gangsta rap, etc). Therefore, the B. Boys were simply (in my opinion) another attempt to cross over. There is nothing wrong with this, but while talented black artists are producing music, why should the B. Boys, with arguably little talent (what instruments do they play, and I don't think that ANYONE can say they can sing) attempt to sell a product that is a "recycled" version of a very legitimate art form in the black community? Also, look at your statement: "They are more mature, and their talent shows. They (the B. Boys) have sampled Mountain, Pink Floyd, and Led Zep w/great success. Why not Rush?" IMO, the test of a musician's legitimacy is how much originality they can contribute, not how well they can copy. The young kids of today are being done a disservice when they are told how "talented" bands are today, when in reality most of what comes out is a carbon copy of what someone else has done. Even most rap artists are exact copies of what has been done earlier by the pioneers of the genre. For a good read on the subject, read Ronin' Ro's "Gangsta Rap". He argues that even in the black community, there is very little work of any creativity being produced anymore. Every artist sounds like every one else, and the talent pool has been watered down. Every "angry young black man on the street", (my quote) it seems, if they can rap, are given record deals. They may be artists, but are they muscicians? I label rap as an art form, yes. But how many serious muscians are in the genre? A distinction needs to be made between viable music, which actually requires skill to produce, versus other mediums. Apologies for the length. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: John Gerard Lupoli <jglupoli@snet.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:12:34 -0400 Subject: videos Hey rush-mgr, What ever happened to your realplayer studio video section. That was awesome. It's been down for months. When is it coming back? By the way, do you know the lyrics for You Can't Fight It and Fancy Dancer? [ I might put back up some realvideo files at a future point. When we moved the web site off of umd to yyz, I didn't move over the RV files because of disk limitations. Now that I have some space, the umd machine doesn't have them online (they were on an external drive), so I'm waiting for the drive to be reattached to ftp the files off. Because I *really* don't feel like redoing them all! : rush-mgr ] Matt Lupoli Age: 14 North Haven, Ct http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/2740/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Shawn_Cook@suffolk.alliedcolloids.com (Shawn Cook) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:08:03 -0400 Subject: An entire state of Rush sightings! Hi gang, Some DOT manager here in Virginia decided to start with ZZZ-9999 for the standard issue liscense plates and work backwards. Now, I live in a state where about 10,000 cars' plates start with YYZ. I think they had to skip over YYZ-2112 -- don'tcha think? -Shawn ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drs. Samuel A. and Marta P. Scott" <scott1@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:17:52 -0600 Subject: Neil Peart vs. Carter Beauford I am writing in response to a recent post by one Dave (fenderjazzbass@hotmail.com) regarding Carter Beauford's percussive abilities relative to Peart's. I'm an old time Rush fanatic and also a Peart-cloned drummer of sorts who is still willing to say that Peart is, arguably (depending on historical context), the best drummer to grace rock & roll, from a combination of creative and technical standpoints. On the other hand, my clear impression is that Carter Beauford has advanced to a higher absolute technical level than Neil ever achieved - just as Neil established a higher level than Keith Moon. All drummers - all musicians, in fact - must be viewed in appropriate historical context. To put this another way, Neil would have difficulty with many of Beauford's tracks, whereas Rush tunes - no matter which - would amount to grade school work for Carter. (This is certainly my personal impression based on attempts to play Rush vs. Dave Matthews material.) I say this with all due respect for Neil. Beauford's accenting, off-time signature beats, power & precision (and coloring) all consistently surpass the absolute technical standards set by Peart in the '80s, when he reached his artistic peak. This isn't to say I don't continue to prefer many of Neil's arrangements over Beauford's work, however, and creative arranging is certainly another aspect of great drumming. Perhaps that is why I would continue to maintain that, all angles considered, Neil rules. Sam Scott scott1@ne.uswest.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caldwell, Mike" <mcaldwell@ea.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:46:47 -0700 Hey Everyone, After reading the last 5 TNMS posts, I take it alot of you Rush-heads are pretty pissed off that certain songs have been omitted from the new live CD's. I do agree with some of you about Presto. I would have loved to hear The Pass, Show Don't Tell, Superconductor and so on. I guess the Boys have their reasons why nothing from Presto made it and I won't even speculate on that. I was hoping the 3rd disk would have contained the entire HEMISPHERES song live but I guess not. I'm really not THAT disappointed with the song list from the 2 other live discs. I really expected it. I am a bit confused about Presto though. I know alot of Rush fans that don't like that CD or they say it's the weakest of them all, But I thought it was a good CD. I think The Pass is the most "emotional" song Neil has ever written. I know about Nobodys Hero, but I still think The Pass is the one that gets me everytime I hear it. Let's all relax and wait for the CD's to hit the record stores and I'm sure this thread will flame up again. Until then...................... In the CD Player : 1. Rush: Hemispheres 2. Cairo: Conflict and Dreams 3. Stevie Ray Vaughan: Greatest Hits 4. Dream Theater: Awake 5. Iron Maiden: Killers 6. Queensryche: Rage for Order 7. ELP: Tarkus 8. Spice Girls: Spice World 9. Joe Satriani: The Extremist 10. Led Zeppelin: In Through the Out Door ---------------------------------------------------------- From: dbkyle@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:14:14 -0400 Subject: Anthem Tour Schedule? I read with interest the enthusiastic note on Anthem's performance in Arizona. They sound great. Is their tour schedule available? Regards. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Morisseau <joem@metrolink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:32:55 -0400 Subject: My versions of future Rush releases (YEAH RIGHT!!) With all the talk EVERYWHERE about the live album and such, it got me thinking of what I would do if I could release stuff from Rush's catalog. I know I can't, so there's really nothing to do but ponder.... I know even this setlistings will not make everyone happy, but hey, it's about all the stuff you could want that isn't officially released. Of course, I may have missed something, no doubt, oh well....Feel free to add it in somewhere! (Note that these are not figured out to the second, and I do not know exactly what these time in as. But, it's kinda close I guess... They are in no particular order) The Live album covers material from Presto-T4E..... Then there's other stuff after. Sorry about the length of the post! Different Stages (my version) Disc one: 2001 Dreamline Limelight Driven Animate War Paint Half The World Analog Kid The Pass 2112 Disc two: Test For Echo Stick It Out Roll The Bones Nobody's Hero Show Don't Tell Leave That Thing Alone DrumSolo Time And Motion Cold Fire Natural Science Resist Disc three: Scars Ghost of a Chance Bravado Vital Signs Superconductor Where's My Thing Double Agent Virtuality Limbo The Spirit of Radio Tom Sawyer YYZ/Cygnus teaser Boxed set Title- Retrothingies Live '74 - '87: Didn't we play these? Disc one: Need Some Love Here Again Bad Boy Fancy Dancer Beneath, Between, & Behind (complete) By-Tor/Necromancer The Twilight Zone A Farewell to Kings Cinderella Man Disc two: Cygnus X-1 Hemispheres Circumstances Natural Science (complete) The Camera Eye Working Man medley (reggae Working Man w/medley) Disc three: Chemistry Digital Man Countdown Afterimage The Body Electric Kid Gloves Red Lenses Between the Wheels Grand Designs Middletown Dreams Lock & Key ****** BONUS ******* With purchase of boxed set, customer can get free *limited edition* cd single. Not Fade Away/Can't Fight It (remastered from original tapes) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Test for Echo tour video: The entire 6/30/97 Toronto show!!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Special Edition release: The Secret T4E Show!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Exit...Stage Left the video: Remastered on VHS, DVD, etc. Bonus songs added: The Camera Eye, Natural Science, La Villa Strangiato ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Grace Under Pressure tour video: Remastered on VHS, DVD, etc. Bonus songs added: The Body Electric, Between the Wheels, Afterimage ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CD-ROM : Loaded with rare footage, historical stuff, and goofy Alex stuff :) Rare offstage, behind the scenes type stuff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. Yeah, I'm dreamin' here!!!!!!! It's now safe to turn of your computer... Joe ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mmcxii <mmcxii@usa.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:40:34 Subject: Mmcxii... In a previous episode, we observed... <You had a question. I have an answer. Take it as you will. :) <Cristobal wrote: >> Hi, rushians, long time since i posted my last one, but all this >> time i was wondering how would it be to write 2112 in roman >> numbers, and i couldn't decide between MMCXII or XXIXII. >> Maybe is just a pronunciation problem but anyway, can anybody help >> me? thank you < Even though it's pronounced XXIXII or twenty-one twelve, the < correct Roman numeral is MMCXII. Those crazy Romans! < Valkyrie Hmmm, I assure you that the correct presentation of 2112 in Roman numerals *IS* MMCXII, but there is always room for the Roman numeral illerate. Now, just because I've been using Mmcxii as my internet name for several years now, as the licence plate number on my Corvette, as my official name in the PDGA (Professional Disc Golf Association), and have been a huge Rush fan ever since I laid my ears on 2112 in 1976 (and have been to no less than 14 Rush concerts), that doesn't like, make me obsessed with this band... does it? Mmcxii (Who refuses to enter the "bitchaboutthesetlist" discussion) "Some people's kids..." Me Mmcxii@usa.net Mmcxii@geocities.com MmcxiiYYZ@aol.com GSGordon@wnp2.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steph R." <starchild7@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:13:57 EDT Subject: Comments and Regrets I received so many responses to my Hitchhiker's guide post that I didn't get a chance to respond to any of them... Sorry guys!! I also regretfully announce since the school year is starting again, and I am up to my armpits in extracurricular activities, and for reasons beyond my control I am losing my internet acces except for maybe once every week or two, i regretfully unsubscribe to the NMS. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY enjoyed reading it, and I'll miss all you guys alot *snif snif* but i will have little to no time to read it, considering i have very small amounts to do so anyways. (to tell you all the truth, the past four issues i skipped over all posts with the phrases "Live Album Set List" anywhere in them, i'm kind of excited that they're actually putting one out, but i'm looking forward moreso to a new Victor, or better yet but less possible new Rush studio album... (but hey, i'll buy the set anyways, knowing me- i am kinda miffed about the repeats however) I will say this much, though..... Every time I get on the internet, as rare as that will be, i will be running my AIM (Bufflystar) and my ICQ (17132392) so come chat with me, i'll be more than willing, since i'll miss my daily dose of rushdom... :( With great sadness, and heavy heart, i bid you all a fond adieu... Maybe next summer, when June rolls around, i will have internet access and LOTS of time to be online.... (heck if i get my way and get my computer in my bedroom like i want i'll be online and resubscribing again in no time!!! ha, fat chance....) and i will resubscribe... Hopefully also, people will remember me and I'll get a warm welcome back! That sure would be nice.... :) Goodbye my dears, see you again ASAP... you all mean alot, believe it or not. with much love, Steph ---------------------------------------------------------- From: sberrett <sberrett@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:39:33 -0400 Subject: James Taylor covers RUSH it's true! well sort of. I'm just finished watching a James Taylor concert on PBS. The last song in the set was NOT FADE AWAY, the first RUSH single. However, I believe the RUSH version was a cover itself. Can't remember the original artist. "Love is real, not fade away" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: dt-streamline@webtv.net (Derek Tetlow) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Two weird questions & one normal question Hey fellow Rushians!!! I haven't posted in quite a while, but I've got a couple weird questions: 1) What was the last Rush album released on 8-Track tape? 2) Has High Water ever been played live? 3) In the Rock Encyclopedia under "Rush", Alex is listed as being born in Surney, British Columbia. I grew up in Tsawassen, B.C. and there was a town called Surrey that was just a few miles away. Was this the same town? Was it just a typo? Take care all!!! Derek Tetlow Streamline Sports Video "Simplification through Modernization" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Ornelas" <jornelas@electriciti.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:16:18 -0700 Subject: Rush Remasters and CD-ROMs too fast for their own good I just today made a horrific discovery. Thinking I would be clever by using the line "Signal transmitted, message received" for an e-mail notification sound, I popped my Signals remaster into my 24x CD-ROM to find that it didn't recognize the disc as valid CD audio. On a second try, it showed only one track, and when I played it, it was as though the entire album was being forced into a few minutes. Every other attempt met with total failure, and as a final blow, the CD-ROM decided to not let me eject the disc so I could try another one. After restarting the computer, and playing other remasters and ending up with the same results, I tried the discs in my older computer, with a much slower 4x CD-ROM, and they worked perfectly. As for other audio CDs, they all work fine. It's just the Rush Remasters (and the Retrospectives) that cause the problem. Has this happened to anyone else with hi-speed CD-ROMs? Does anyone know if there is some strange step in the remastering process that causes this? Joseph Ornelas http://www.eciti.com/jornelas "Signal transmitted, message received." -Rush, when my CD-ROM works ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:01:02 -0700 Subject: marillion <quote> Hawkfeathr reminded me about marillion being booed off the stage every night </quote> Holy shit! I can't imagine that! Rush and Marillion are probably my two most favorite bands; what an awesome combination (with Fish) that concert would be! I would think Rushians would like Marillion, but.... Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com Subdivisions (Rush): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "A man got a right to wonder A man got a right to dream Without looking over his shoulder To choose the manner of the life he leads One man's thoughts on another man's skin We are lover, warrior, magician kings." -Fish ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:11:12 -0700 Subject: live album No matter what anyone says or whatever happens with the new set, the best Rush live album will always be All the World's a Stage! Talk about raw power, youthful enthuiasm, and an AWESOME version of By-tor. Last Played Before Last Played: Nine Inch Nails _Pretty Hate Machine_ Last Played: Pop Will Eat Itself _Dos Dedos Mis Amigos_ Now Playing: The Cure _Faith_ Next Playing: Pink Floyd _Wish You Were Here_ Next Playing After That: Live _Throwing Copper_ Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Berry, Paul W (Sema)" <BerryPW@bp.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:45:23 +0100 Subject: Dimlit Stages Greetings from the UK, I've been reading all of the views on the forthcoming live album and decided to stick in my two pennies..... Personally I'd like to see a complete release from a single show, warts and all, like a boot. This would give a better impression of the show as a whole and not a collection of "perfect" perfromances. I spent a lot of time last year reading about people's experiences at the TFE shows and was dead jelous that we weren't going to get the chance to see the boys on this side of the water. A complete live set released on CD would give fans not in the US or Canada a better chance to "live the live experience" By the way, I'm delighted that the '78 concert is being included. This is around the time I got into the band and I saw them at the "Hammy Odeon" a number of times - not this tour though While I'm on the airwaves are there any UK fans out there who know where I can get my hands on boots ? Personal replies please so as not to clog the list Love & Kisses Bezza ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete <trigeek@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:39:55 -0400 Subject: Rush out of touch >I really am surprised that everyone is this upset about the setlist for=20 >"Different Stages", I have several bootlegs from Presto,RTB,CPand TFE = >that sound better than ESL and ASOH ...I think that we can expect = >another piece of overdubbed crap like a show of hands. The only hope is = >a live video! >John Haag Amen John! I, also, am not the least bit excited about the new "live" album. If anything like ESL and ASOF, it will be soapy clean, filled with overdubs and lack any form of continuity, energy or soul. That's one reason I collect bootlegs. I want to hear a Rush concert IN FULL and in proper sequence. I want to hear it as it actually happened (imagine that!) A "live" album should let the listener hear what the concert was actually like. You can't accomplish this when throwing together twenty songs from four different tours and eight different cities. That's what made ASOF such a sham. Consider this, you who would never buy a bootleg and who drool over the thought of a pristine sounding new "live" album: Ever Rush concert you have gone to has had it's share of sound difficulties. Face it, live concert sound is severly lacking. If you don't already know the lyrics, you'll be hard pressed to catch them in concert. In addition, how many times have you seen Geddy and Alex mess up during the show, or hear Geddy's voice crack, or hear Alex miss a note? Yet you walk away from the show thinking it was the greatest event you've ever witnessed. So why does the thought of anything LESS THAN an overdubbed, lifeless, crystal clear CD recording of a live show turn you off so much? But I digress. Much of the negative response to the new setlists has been the omission of recent material, i.e. Presto. This is so simple, that is, if you really love listening to live Rush (i.e., if you don't pursue bootlegs, then I seriously question your desire to listen to live Rush). Rush could simply satisfy all parties by releasing at least one unedited, unproduced, entire soundboard show from each tour or leg of each tour. As I have said in the past, this would require virtually no work on SRO's part. Grab the tape, press it on CD's and distribute through normal retail outlets or a fan club. Hell, there's bootleggers doing this right and left every day on a much smaller economy of scale. Rush and SRO fail to realize that there's a large following out here who want every piece of live Rush we can get our hands on. They can either benefit from producing it or we'll look elsewhere (bootlegs). It's not a matter of wanting to screw Rush (because bootleg purchases don't cost them one dime) or a matter of wanting to "give Neil a kick in the gut". It's a matter of desiring to listen to the product of their creativity. If buying bootlegs is not the sincerest form of flattery, I don't know what is. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "colin burroughs" <crstalplanet1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:03:21 PDT Subject: Re: Territories effect Most of the first lyrics are like that. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: dt-streamline@webtv.net (Derek Tetlow) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: embarassing I actually bought a "Firehouse" cd back in the earlier days of my college experience. They're a real cheeseball early 90's attempt at heavy metal. It was so hideously bad that I think I gave it away about three weeks after I bought it. It's my #1 "I Can't Believe I Actually Bought This CD" CD. Derek Tetlow Streamline Sports Video "Simplification through Modernization" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfan.2112@juno.com (Christopher W Lindsay) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 Subject: Masked Rider & Shock Rock 2 I just finished "The Masked Rider." It was better than I thought it'd be. It wasn't 100% cycling, the debate was interesting, and so was the discussion of Aristotle's stuff. A coupla weeks ago I sold 5 copies of Shock Rock II. I have received three payments: from Russell, Ryan, and Tracy. The other two have yet to pay. I didn't put your names up for a reason. Please contact me. Don't be an Aaron Drake! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Robinson <brobinson_tpa@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:33:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Naked man on 2112 Album Cover (back) Re: i sort of agree with what you say about the evil innocence thing, but 2112 doesn't have a naked guy in front of the pentagram. The Red Star/Naked Man combination was on the back cover of the original vinal 2112 album. If you look at the remastered 2112 you will see the original album art work. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: denimking@juno.com (z z z) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:44:35 -0500 Subject: rush in hall of fame as far as rush getting into the hall of fame, it won't happen for awhile yet. at least for the rush we know and love. because a band has to have released at least one album that is 25+ years old. and since rush's first album with neil was released in '74, rush can't be inducted into the hall of fame for about a year yet. adam "If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich and Ellen Lafond <lafond@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:25:53 -0400 Subject: Here's an idea: Big Band Rush With the recent music scene splash of Big Band type music, and since we know that Neil holds a place in his heart for this style, I thought it would be great if Rush could collaborate with other musicians on a the next studio CD with a couple songs of this genre. Afterall, on today's radio, anything goes. Comments? Rich **************************** ** From the Desktop of: ** **------------------------** ** Rich and Ellen Lafond ** ** lafond@mindspring.com ** **************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Denney <archangel@premiernet.net> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:33:41 -0500 Subject: Rush DVD When is the first Rush DVD coming out? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "DEREK A. REECE" <REECE@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Neil vs. Carter revisited I have seen both drummers in concert numerous times. Neil is a much better technical drummer, but Carter seems to be able to play a drum part to anything and make it flow. I like playing along to neil because he is much more technical and it's easier for me to pick up what he is doing, but Carter is such a different style, for me its tough. What I am trying to say is that Neil is faster and more precise, I think Carter has more style. Derek ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushplc@juno.com (P L C) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:23:03 -0400 Subject: Live album thoughts Hey all, As far as the live album goes, I think we should be glad that they are coming out with something. Personally I was hoping they would put Big Money on the live album from the TFE tour, but we can all say "Hey, why don't they put on this or that." Just enjoy the anticpation of a new album!!!!!!!!!!!!! p.c. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mosteller <rico@twave.net> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:49:07 -0400 Subject: RU SH First post here... Seems to me, thinking out loud, that it really doesn't matter to me what they put on a new live album. It must mean something to them what they put on it. I think that I am lucky that they are even putting something out with all the stuff that has been going on and will feel even more honored if they do put another studio album together. Beggers can't be choosy..."the mirror always lies" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: p_ferrara@juno.com (Paul J Ferrara) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:05:25 -0400 Subject: ummmm is this thing on? <cough> hmmm it seems that there is a whole lot of discussion / complaints / raving / ranting / fuming / etc. about the "new" rush live album. I am just as excited about it as the next guy, but i have learned to take the playlists with a grain of salt. I will only belive anything released by Atlantic/anthem/mercury. I don't know if any of you were here before t4e got released (i wasnt) but was there this sort of commotion then to? Did someone publish a playlist and was it accurate? Where their complaints and rantings? Look back and compare (particularly about the playlist, if the one that was "published" wasn't accurate what makes you think they won't do it again?). And for the bit about "i want this song on there" that is why you have the original albums! There really isnt much difference unless you are actually at the concert... and it you want all the tracks on one "medium" that is why god invented tapes/cd-r/minidiscs. make your own cd with the tracks _you_ want. Until the prestigious day, i will stick my head in the sand until i have the cd's in my hot little hands. [ This brought up something I was thinking about the other day... this is the FIRST time the digest has been through a live album release. Imagine that, a mailing list that's been around for nearly 10 years is still able to have a "first" of sorts... As far as TFE goes, yes we had a track listing, and yes it was accurate. We have also had them for RTB & CP. : rush-mgr ] Thanks [worf, raise the shields] [aye sir, shields holding at 90% and prepared to deflect flames] Mr. Paul J. Ferrara -- Toms River, NJ E-Mail- P_Ferrara@Juno.com Http://www.2112.net/syrinx ______________________________________________________ "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" Give Blood - Play Hockey ---------------------------------------------------------- From: harald.wikeroy@kongsberg.simrad.no Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:25:12 +0100 Subject: TOOL: rivaling RUSH >From: LastGrtDay@aol.com >Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:38:40 EDT >Subject: TOOL: rivaling RUSH > >Ahoy fellow Rushians... > >I saw TOOL perform last night, August 13, at Red Rocks Amphitheater in Denver. >And I must say that I believe that TOOL is one of the bands taking progressive >rock into the next century. > >Fear not, my fellows, PROGRESSIVE ROCK IS NOT DEAD!!! Arbon, I agree with you on your comments on Tool -- Especially your "PROGRESSIVE ROCK IS NOT DEAD!!!" comment. On the other hand, I don't believe that Tool are rivals to Rush as your subject indicates ... I'd like to think that Tool is one of the bands that have succeded the most in "carrying on the tradition of progressive rock" while maintaining their own distinctive sound. And yes, they are weird! One of my problems with Tool is that I find their lyrics incomprehensible. Even though the lyrics "sound cool" and some snippets are of such nature that they can be quoted (!) , I have still to discover some sense in most of their lyrics! Is this a major difference between Rush and Tool? Harald Wikeroy ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Werner" <Chad.Werner@reliastar.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 7:47 -0600 Subject: Exactly My Point! Regarding the live album controversy, someone said this: "PLEASE STOP **WHINING** ABOUT THE SETLIST! There is nothing you can do to change it -- I can't believe the EGO of some people!! (esp. the guy who wrote a letter stating his own setlist, and could they please look at it before they press the cd?--Jeeze!!) Rush, Atlantic, and SRO Anthem, or whoever is responsible for the content, is going to do whatever they damnwell please! DEAL WITH IT!!" YES! You are absolutely correct! For any of you out there that paid any attention to my "consumer/producer" comments from last week, this is what I was talking about. There is nothing we CAN do about the setlist & that is really too bad. Say what you will, but this isn't the way it HAS to be. However, I AM going to buy the live album because I know there are some things that make it a worthwhile purchase (Bravado live!). I don't like the methods which Rush & their associates have chosen to do business with the fans, but I AM OK with the idea. I have come to terms with it. If you really have a fundamental problem with it, please make an actual statement: Don't buy it. I think that a lot of people have been surprised with the setlist & they have been expressing their discontent. That is, I'm sorry to say, what this list is for. We are discussing Rush, which is what we should be doing. Should we ignore the new release? Should we lie & say that we are euphorically waiting on this fabulous new live album? And, if you've seen a couple of concerts from the last 8 years, can you honestly say that you're NOT A BIT surprised as SOME of the setlist choices? When they pulled out "Analog Kid" on the Counterparts tour, I was like, "oh yeah, this is going to be on the next live one!" Nothing from a whole album? We are just taken aback & are bringing it up as such. Please, let's not stifle free expression. Buy it or don't. Make your own mind up. Madge ----------------------------------------------------------
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