The National Midnight Star #2090

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Grand experience... rush and dt ABBA & Chess (NO RUSH CONTENT) FW: Payola re: here we go again the hip Live Album Comments (what else?) Hits on the New Live Album Setlist RUSH SIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re: signals without flames Rush Education Mars 2112 Just wondering... Alex's Sleeves Re: Embarrassing (cont'd) & High School Quotes ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Denney <archangel@premiernet.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:34:09 -0500 Subject: Federation star, my new video, CD-ROM, live album. I've been shopping on the net and am bringing back some pretty good booty--so far the Rush "Chronicles" video, and coming next, two Rush CDs: AFTK and p/g, which I don't have in my collection so far.  I'm hoping also to get the remasters when I can, as my dumbutt brother talked me into letting one of his old girlfriends 'borrow' all my jewel-case inserts to commit insurance fraud (see, she was.... well, whatever, nevermind...long story). About the Federation star--let's see... First, I think it represents evil, as much as the opressive society in 2112 is evil. Secondly, the nude guy is mankind attempting to avoid evil in this form. As I said in my last post, I read Ayn Rand's 'Anthem' (good read); however, I haven't read 'The Fountainhead', the novel that inspired 2112. I have studied icons in art. It's interesting that Rush chose that symbol, and the logic circuits inside the album cover; this may represent the ultimate futility in 'cold' logic--remember 'superior cynics', 'the most endangered species, the honest man', 'all this machinery making modern music' (pretty darn good alliteration there), 'circuits get shorted by internal incoherence', 'glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity'... Rush has lots of allegorical allusions to mindless machinery as mankind's possible demise... Evidently cold, opressive logic can also suppress musical and artistic integrity. This is something with which Rush's band members may have had experience. I've been busy for awhile, so somebody be nice and email or post one for me detailing the cd-rom? I think the guys who did Myst and Riven could do stuff for it--wouldn't it be..cool? Thanks to Tom Mueller <krynndm@execpc.com> for showing me my new idiom on the net>>> :D. In my not-so-conspicuous absence I've missed info on the live album, too. Where is everybody getting the list of songs? Anyway, I'll go watch my video now. See my home page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Mike_Denney/MYPAGE.HTM Sorry, not html rich--don't know how yet>>>>>>>>:-D. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Dearden" <Andrew.A.Dearden@ISG.sandiway.amec.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 12:44:24 +0000 Subject: UK Tennis Sighting NMS readers might be interested in the following, which appears in the September issue of "Ace", the magazine of the Lawn Tennis Association. Despite being the official magazine of the governing body of tennis in Britain, it's a populist publication, written in a somewhat flippant style. The article concerned is titled "Tennis and Music" and reviews a number of songs which had tennis-related themes. One of them is "Conchita Martinez" by Saint Etienne, which has previously been discussed in this digest. I quote: "Elderly readers may recognise the backing as a sample from Spirit of Radio by ancient Canadian rockers Rush." Pretty disparaging then, but good to see my two main interests brought together in this way. Remember the mention for tennis in the credits to ATWAS? Andrew In the CD Player: The Kindness of Strangers - Spock's Beard (strongly recommended) Octopus - Gentle Giant ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Alexander Bartlett <4pab@qsilver.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:39:40 -0400 Subject: Signals & Y2K Hey All! Many have expressed opinions of Signals as a weak album... production wise and because of the heavy keyboard slant. I was disappointed with it when it came out, but it grew on me. I know that Alex says he hates it, and the generally smaller role that the guitar played in the Signals Hold Your Fire era. I think that he learned a lot by having to play in that role. If you listen to some of those albums, especially Power Windows and Hold Your Fire, Alex was doing things in the background that were quite inspired, and more complex than some of the 'in your face' stuff that we've had lately. I think Rush tend to get stuck in a mode of thought and then pursue it with 'tunnel vision'. They've grown a lot as musicians, and are surely more mature and subtle in some of their arrangements, but they've lost something in the area of dynamics. Why not have a quiet song, or a song with a keyboard lead? I don't want an album full of it, but it would add variety. Resist was, I think, an attempt to add dynamics, but I don't think it was a very successful attempt. Musicians of their calibre should have the freedom to stretch out and really play, to allow a piece to develop. We don't need to force 20 minute 'epics', but surely they must be forcing themselves to stick to the 4-6 minute range now. Listen to a good jazz album, and you'll find that the time required to explore various musical ideas varies. On to the Y2K problem. There could be a problem of inequity in sales if some stores are open while others are closed on Jan 1, 2000, but the Y2K problem should not be an issue. If the CD is to be released then, the record stores will have it a few days in advance, but will not be allowed to sell it. Any problems related to the Y2K issue would have to do with individual stores losing their computerized sales system... and since the problem has been known for so long... those stores deserve to lose business for not preparing. Y2K will not be an issue! Paul Bartlett ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shulman, Mark" <MShulman@APA-AGENCY.COM> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:23:20 -0700 Subject: Rush Restaurant? There is a brand new restaurant in Manhattan at 51st and Broadway called Mars 2112. It is a Mars theme-park type restaurant. Is the creator a Rush fan? Your guess is as good as mine... check out more at http://newyork.sidewalk.com/link/47995 ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "colin burroughs" <crstalplanet1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:02:00 PDT Subject: 3rd cd Because of the lousy set thank god for the 3rd cd. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Furry <jfurry@ca.newbridge.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:34:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Time to Roll Questions jonnyg42@juno.com (Jonathan A Gilsdorf) wrote: > > I also have some comments and questions about the "Time to Roll" > CD. It is a collection of live performances from Rush's 1992 "Roll the > Bones" tour. > > 1. Why is "Freewill" cut short? > I'm guessing it's because Geddy can't hit the high notes after the guitar break. "Each of us, a cell of awareness" gets pretty high. This is the same reason that they played 2112 at a lower pitch on the TFE tour. > 2. As for the "Spirit of Radio"/"Anthem"/"Red Barchetta" medley > at the end of the CD, was this the way Rush performed it, or was that a > medley invented by the makers of the CD? > That's the way the performed it. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Pinto <FPinto@mzad.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 18:18:12 -0700 Subject: prism records someone wrote >>"Mike Bahr, where the hell are you? I'm still waiting on my copy of >>Virtual Songs. It was sent out over a month ago according to your >>webpage. I've sent three e-mails in the last month and haven't heard >>from you. Please write back. " > > he runs a business and is blowing off everyone. his website updates >are full of shit. he has not sent out almost all the orders, or people >like you and me would have gotten them. it's been six weeks since i >ordered I ordered E2E last OCTOBER and just got it--and it was CD-R, not an original - mike "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:26:02 -0700 Subject: Don't talk about Prism Records on TNMS. Don't talk about Prism Records on TNMS, because I'm forbidden from responding to you in this forum. On the other hand, since you know there will be no defense from my side of the coin, you might as well slag me all you want. Heh. [ I never said you were forbidden to respond in the NMS. I just didn't like you advertising your CDs here. : rush-mgr ] Prism is closed. All orders will be honored. There's no timetable for this; I'm doing it on a continuous basis. - Mike Bahr - Wizard's Tower Gaming Center in Mesa, AZ (602-962-0151) http://www.goodnet.com/~emerald/ - Magic, AD&D, Battletech and more! Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" d u r n i k@g o o d n e t.c o m - If it's nae Scottish,it's CRAP! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfan.2112@juno.com (Christopher W Lindsay) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:26:42 -0400 Subject: Presto on Live Album Perhaps, the lack of Presto on the live album was caused by poor record sales? The reasoning was that "Show Don't Tell", and "The Pass" were not popular enough, maybe? To the guy who thought that TNMS should end because it's getting "too stale", you stink. If the manager is getting tired, maybe he could send the list out once week or do it when he's refreshed. If you don't like the newsletter, sign off after the 2112 issue. I like the newsletter, especially when someone writes cool parodies like "The Piss." Man, that was funny. So, don't pee on the TNMS and say that it's raining. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: GuitarRUSH@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:27:39 EDT Subject: Live video? just wondering...will there be a live video of Different Stages? i want something better than my bootleg video of the Test For Echo tour in Charlotte. Anyhow, i hope they do release one though. "Lerxst" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Deitche STP <DEITCHE_S@epic7.dep.state.fl.us> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush, the Beasties and musical genius The Beastie Boys have come a long way since License to Ill. They definitely are great musicians, and while I do not put them as high on my list as Rush, comparing the two is like apples and oranges. The Beasties play some of the best neo-funk, hip-hop, punk, sample-rich music around. They're the best (I think) at what they do. Rush play the best progressive, intelligent rock around. They are the best (unquestionably) at what they do. Also, you have people like Bjork, who is a genius at what she does - expanding the boundaries of popular music into realms unknown, and Van Morrison - a guy who plays the guitar, bass, sax, drums, and has one of the greatest voices in music- plays jazz, R&B, rock, Celtic, and blues better than 99.9 % of anyone else. Rush are still my favorite band, but there are a few geniuses that,in my opinion, rival, if not, surpass the boys. Can't wait till November (assuming the release date isn't pushed back). ---------------------------------------------------------- From: COP42194@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:46:01 EDT Subject: SUBDIVISIONS. . . tranjan@trip.com.br (Ricardo Tranjan) WROTE: Hi, everybody I never wrote before but I found something very strange at http://cygnals.com/rush/subdivisions.html Does anybody know anything about this guy Mark Dailey saying subdivisions in the song ? later Fernando Tranjan <SNIP> I went to the web site and the 4th RA clip down with this Dailey guy saying the word DOES sound like the song. Hmm. . . Rush Mgr., care to chime in? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: srawrats@vt.edu Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:53:56 -0400 Subject: Promo Sampler I would die 5 trillion deaths to get a copy of that promo sampler with Analog Kid. But, of course, a meager individual such as I will never get such a chance. I guess I'll have to wait 'til I reach heaven, where no one gets discriminated. But I do have hope that somebody will make this available in some format or another. I mean, it's just a promo, who cares if it gets copied? Of course that is up to all of the elitists who have the promo. Unfortunately, most of those who will get it don't care for Rush. I guess the odds of me getting analog kid live is equivalent to winning the lottery a million times in a row. Depressed Rush fan ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "pbs" <pbs@md3.vsnl.net.in> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:25:15 +0530 Subject: Thank You Mr. PEART ! Hi Rushians , This is my first letter , a big Hearty hello to you all. I had decided sometime back that the day I subscribe for TNMS, this one would be my first posting.An outline of how I was lyrically influenced by RUSH. Here goes..... This is a letter I had wanted to write to Mr.Peart , but somehow it got postponed for a quite sometime ... I know the chances of this letter reaching him are bleak(hope!), but, I owe him this one. Dear Mr Peart, Sub : religious Hindu ---> Rationalist socialist ---> capitalist Well Mr.Peart ,I am sure you would have guessed from the sub. what this letter might say , here are the details..... Born to a very religiously orthodox Indian Hindu family , I had forced myself , when I was around 12 years , to keep within myself any doubts I had about the existance of the immortal power. Seemed strange to me then at that age, "why is it that only I had these uncommon thoughts ?" Lived in doubt for the next five years. It was around the age of 17 my thinking meandered along the wrong course. I had a very bad year at school 'cos I was dreaming about a pretty girl all day long , after which I forced myself not to live with this doubt & thrust upon myself, to blindly follow traditional values etc. Every now & then when the doubt grew in my mind I turned it down, ignoring it intentionally & forcefully. It was always annoying to me then, that I had share my happiness which was a result of solely my efforts, with the immortal power, but uncertainity drove me crazy. Around the age of 21 when I first started listining to RUSH, the songs like Freewill , Anthem ( ' selfishness was wrong, yet....), The Pass , Tom Sawyer ( 'Though his mind is ....) ,woke up the RATIONALIST in me & the song 'Territories' killed the Nationalist spirit.(I didn't have an iota of idea of the evilness it meant & the freedom of thought it could deny) A little push was all I needed & you gave it to me in as little words & probably most artistically.Reasoning quelled the remanents of mysticism that still clouded my thinking. After that life's been a sweet song fine tuned by AYN RAND, relishing every molecule of clean air in my lungs & sucking in every bit happiness I richly deserve. The word Morality has clear cut meaning. Working hard has been a pleasure .The evilness of socialism stands exposed & a feeling that I'm restricted only by my efforts , makes me want to live life & not just exist.I feel unfettered & free to dream , what a gift you've given me . I am 23yr old man now & I happy I met you Mr.Peart (through RUSH ), for the change it has brought on me , well you know it. It is rather natural that I want perfect my rather amateur drumming skills. Awsome inspiration you are to me. I wish you would ..........hmmmm......write back.......( there is no stopping a dreamer) why I will not deny I have dreamt this scene " Neil & I meeting " several times over. THANK YOU YOURS SELFISHLY A STRANGER & A LONG AWAITED FRIEND P.B.SHRIRAM ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glen M. Young" <gy2112@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:03:34 -0400 Subject: Grand experience... Very interesting..and cool of course. :) Listening to my 'PC jukebox' of no less than 85 Rush tunes, I find myself listening and realizing a re-discovery is taking place. Listen to the songs at real random: For some, it's an unchartered territory well worth exploring. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Ramos <jose.ramos@digital.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: rush and dt Hi all, Replying to: Slim Jim said: > In five years, DT will be just an unpleasant memory. In > ten years they will be forgotten. funny. that's what they said about Rush in '75. Of course, the same people raved about Buns n' Poses. [ Read the late '74 article from the Los Angeles Times about Rush for a good laugh. : rush-mgr ] Rush manager: first time poster. Die hard fan since I had enough money to buy my own vinyl (way back in 1981) The first album I ever bought was MP. When I finally bought a CD player in the mid to late eighties, the first disc I bought was PW. Anyway I put a link in for the 1974 article you mentioned because it took me about ten minutes to find it and I figured maybe I'd save someone else some time. Favorite songs: Red Barchetta, The Necromancer, Chemistry. They all have awesome memories. [ When I checked the nms web site, I noticed that I had never put in the link for it under the articles & interviews index page! That's been corrected ;-) : rush-mgr ] Max ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rev. Edward Blonski" <reved@internetwis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:30:23 -0500 Subject: ABBA & Chess (NO RUSH CONTENT) "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net> wrote in issue #2088 of TNMS: And then the eighties hit. sigh. But Anifrid Lynstadt had a good solo album produced by Phil Collins. Agnetha Faltskog did something tht I've never been able to find, and Benny and Bjorn did a soundtrack for "Ches," which I understand was a lame movie, but the music is a hoot. ================== Just a point of clarification, Chess was a musical production on Broadway and also nation-wide, not a movie. The broadway production was based ratherly loosely on the London Production and/or the album released there and here in the US. Chess is one of my favorite albums (Benny Henderson played the American) and I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks! Rev ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shulman, Mark" <MShulman@APA-AGENCY.COM> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:26:51 -0700 Subject: FW: Payola >>Made me think. I've read Hit Men and if you're a musician, you may want >>to read it. It explains how hit songs really happen. Hit Men is a really great book and read it for enjoyment... however, that was a very, very long time ago and how songs get played today is very different than it was then. Things have changed dramatically over the years and the payola schemes of 20 years ago are long gone. Yes it is true that record companies pay radio stations and now they are indeed "buying" commercial time.. however, record companies are really just large corporations. They use focus groups, market testing, and as always, their connections. A tool of the last 4 years has been the "radio" shows that radio stations hold. Record companies lead their artists to these shows for reduced prices in exchange for radio airplay. In terms of Rush, none of the above applies. If there were more people who wanted to hear Rush on the radio, they would play it more. I love Rush, I love it when they play it on the radio... but it has always been a cult following. When stations play it, they do not get nearly the response of say.. Matchbox 20. I dont make the rules, I just play by them. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott McDow <mcdow@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:05:03 -0400 Subject: re: here we go again >>>Did anybody ever noticed, in In The End at 4:23, >>>the backing sound behind the guitar? >>>"Jean-Simon" <bolj01@gel.usherb.ca> >>I still think it's a kazoo! :-) here we go again! >>scoots >That's because you don't play guitar. ;) >I'm cranking up that sound right now, so I can >play it at midwest tabcon this weekend. >mike z williamson Hey! Is that the tabcon in chitown? I've been cranking out that sound on my kazoo so *I* could play at the tabcon!!! ;-) ya gotta admit, it does *sound* like a kazoo... Anyway 'bout a month ago I bought a Washburn D-17CE (acoustic/elec.). Probably not the most desired guitar out there, but I'm happy. This doesn't mean I *play* guitar! I try. It's been about 12 years since my last guitar got stolen, (Martin) at that time I only had it two years. The only song I can play complete is "Is there anybody out there" from side three of "The Wall" (duh). I can however play the first four bars of "rivendell", "fbn", "ctth", "the trees" and the harmonics to "red barchetta". hehe, told you I can't play. later, scoots ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott McDow <mcdow@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:16:35 -0400 Subject: the hip Hey! re: the hip >[ Ah, I knew they were coming to SD sometime in October, hadn't realized > they were already on tour! Doh! : rush-mgr ] They were in San Fran on July 28th & 30th, I have not yet received info on tour dates in October, but personally expected a Canadian tour after the July and August dates. I live in Michigan and was hoping they would come back to Cobo Hall in Detroit (the site of the excellent "live between us". Maybe some California dates are planned into the western section of the tour. Thought I'd pass on what I know. later, scoots ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Rush2dog@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:29:12 EDT Subject: Live Album Comments (what else?) Rocky (the goldmine man - Ya!) could not have put a better spin on this whole debate. You guys and gals need to wake up. I see alot of selfishness on this list and alt.music.rush and its sad. Everyone has been bitching mostly about CTTH and TS and the fact that TAK and The Pass did not make it. Well, it looks like they did make the promo so I'm sure we will all be able to get a hold of those versions soon (either on the Animate single - not likely - or in bootleg copies of the promo). Now, I know this is not the way some of us wanted it but its a FACT. Please read on. >From: Rocky Landsverk <landsverkr@krause.com> >1. is the setlist a joke? >i don't think so. i have the promo disks, and the songs are in a different >order than the setlist our peerless rush manager listed, but the songs are >all correct. they might change one song off the promos, but i doubt they'll >even do that. i believe the setlist we have is the one we're going to have >to live with. My gut told me that the order was wrong. CTTH should be before 2112 and LTTA should be before the Drum solo. Other than that, the track listings looked pretty accurate. My other gut tells me that NO changes in the songlist will happen now. The boys are done with the album and NO-ONE is going to get Alex off the golf course or away from Victor II or Geddy away from the Maris "homerun" chase to consider the BITCHINGS of about 100 people on the internet. (give or take-not many). And right they shouldn't. They don't owe us a FUCKING THING. Remember that. I've spent as much US$ or more than most of you and that's the way it is. I am fine with this. >2. should we be ticked off? >i'm disappointed, particularly about the absence of analog kid and half the >world. how in the world could you leave off half the world? -snip- Ok, it seems that me and Rocky are the only ones that are pissed that HTW did not make it AT ALL. This is the ONLY bitch I have and let me further say it is NOT A BIG DEAL TO ME. I can live with it. Like I said on alt.music.rush, 2112 and Natural Science are worth the price of these discs (with the new songs and the 1978 show as GRAVY). Some of you may disagree and that is fine. But don't think that writing Anthem is going to do anything other than kill a few more trees and frustrate the staff there all the more. [ You'd be surprised. Amazing things have happened by writing letters... : rush-mgr ] >i think the boys have done us too well to be ticked off at them at this >point. they're coming off a tour where they played without an opener so they >could play for over two and a half hours. they're planning another studio >album. let's get over it. there is three hours of music on this release. >THREE HOURS. if you don't like the repeats, you're left with two hours of >music. use your "program" mode on the cd player and enjoy the show. HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ninja. PS. This was a message from the emergency broadcast system, if this was a real emergency (like.....the Band is over - no more music, you get NOTHING! Jack dick!!), you would be instructed to find the nearest rope and hang yourself because the life as you know it without the Band you love IS OVER. They don't need the aggravation. Neither do the individuals on this list who APPRECIATE what they are getting. Once again, they owe us nothing. Goodnight. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Ward Bond <wbond@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:13:14 -0400 Subject: Hits on the New Live Album Like many other TNMS'ers, I'd like the band to put more songs on the live discs that haven't been released live before. That said, I'd like to offer some reasons why the band may have the hits on the album: 1. The band may be trying to make the live disc sound like a real concert-- ATWAS has this kind of sound and feel. The songs transition from one to another like a real show. Perhaps on the new disc they will follow the setlists somewhat and arrange the songs like the real shows. This would require that some of the hits be present to make the disc representative of a real show. 2. The live discs have always been the bands' version of greatest hits collections. Yes it's nice to have live versions of the newest songs, but these live albums are a way for hardcore fans, casual fans and new listeners to get a chance to hear a variety of Rush material, from numerous albums, in a single compilation. 3. The big one: Atlantic, Anthem and/or Rush have done this for marketing or contractual reasons. Face it, Atlantic signed the band after ASOH was made. The band had a string of platinum albums, with the exception of HYF. The results from ASOH probably weren't in by the time the deal was inked. During their time with Atlantic, they've yet to score a Platinum album. Meanwhile, after they left Mercury, that label enjoyed the Multi-Platinum success of Chronicles and they've gone back to mine their old catalog again with the remasters and Retrospectives. Atlantic is probably dying for a payoff hit from the band. And the band's contract may be coming up for extension or renegotiation. This will be the fifth album with Atlantic; how many are they under contract for? I don't mind the hits; I enjoy them too. I just wish for MORE OVERALL! Let's see the final setlist and how "special" the '78 recordings are. Ward Bond ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rmortensen <ladyland@dtc.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:27:08 -0500 Subject: Setlist Ok, enough is enough I think we should thank our stars that they even are puting something out they dont have to. Ok, granted there are do overs but hey THIS IS RUSH WE ARE TAKING ABOUT!! AND I AM SORRY BUT ANYTHING DONE BY RUSH ROCKS NO MATTER HOW MAY TIMES YOU PLAY IT. And the band hasent had the best of luck the last year or so. Lets cut them a little more slack here. As for those of you who say this is the last we have seen I think will seen a new studio cd in late 1999 or early 2000. I hope. ok I am now off my soap box. Rod Mortensen ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:41:27 -0500 Subject: RUSH SIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tonight, as I was flipping through the channels after Polictically Incorrect, I came across Bob Enyart Live, and going to a commercial, I heard a *very* familiar intro...The Spirit Of Radio! I can't believe how much Rush this guy uses! It's almost worth watching, just for the amount of Rush sightings you can rack up... :) (Coming back from the commercial, he used "Handbook For The Sellout", just in case there's any Five Iron Frenzy fans other than me on the list...) Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Slim Jim <jg@ms.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:49:05 +0100 Subject: Re: signals without flames >>>>> "Michael Z. Williamson" writes: > > IMHO, the use of keyboards is what tainted Signals for me > > and a lot of people at first. > > I'm aware of this but never understood it. How is a keyboard > less of an instrument? How is Geddy less talented a composer by > nature of the instrument he uses? It's just a matter of taste. Keyboards, for me too, are less of an instrument than stringed instruments like bass or (particularly) guitar - because the manner in which the note is made on a guitar allows for much more personal character to come through. You can mute in much more creative ways, you can bend, add vibrato, and the same note can be played in different places on the fretboard to give different voices. You can also pick the string in different places. You can slur the note. You can add harmonics. The player is responsible for creating the note on a guitar (or bass) in a much more intimate way, with much more control than on a keyboard where the notes are essentially 'typed'. One other point - undoubtedly Alex's & Geddy's guitar * bass skills are massively superior to Geddy's keyboard skills. Slim ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Douglas Adams <pageissler@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:48 -0400 Subject: Rush Education Ken Cohen (kcohen@pharmacol.rochester.edu) wrote: >Does anyone know what education Neil, Alex, and Geddy have? I know all of this is well documented in the FAQs and all the swag little Rush books you can buy, but for the newcomers or young people I will reiterate some infermation: If the universe is indeed not simply a bad dream ( I was reminded that it may very well be when I saw a clip of Ronald Regan on the TV last night ) as some philosophers have suggested, at least three people know what education Neil, Alex, and Geddy have. They would be Neil, Alex, and Geddy. Also, I cut and pasted this from the Rush FAQ available at: http://www.sdrawkcabdellepskcufsisiht.com/louie/geocities/helpme/spock/rush Alex Lifeson Dropped out of Kindergarten when he was 14 and studied to be a television meteorologist. He actually invented a system where the weather guy doesn't need to say anything or show any maps: he simply plays his guitar at the news desk, and based on his facial expressions juxtaposed with the feel of the song you would know the weather. Because the world doesn't catch on to new ideas very well, he failed at all his TV auditions miserably, but there is one very important vestige: If you watch Exit Stage Left video the severity of every El Nino and La Nina for the next 256 years is accurately predicted. After working on the Manhattan Project, Geddy Lee abandoned his career as an infant particle physicist to become a Tantric auto mechanic. (If you think that being an infant particle physicist is impossible because you need someone to feed you, you are wrong. Look at Stephen Hawking.) After about two years at the International Tantric Auto Mechanic School in Sri Lanka, he wanted to become a chef, but couldn't because nobody had thought up South Park yet. So, returning to Toronto, he took a course at the Adult Learning Annex called "How to think really, really creatively and subsequently cause your fingers and hands to move along a bass guitar in a manner that will reflect same and how to meet someone called Alex Lifeson and write songs." Curiously enough, Neil Peart was the teacher of this course at the Toronto Adult Learning Annex. He introduced a course entitled "Go out into the world by yourself and experience a huge variety of things and become very, very good at thinking about them and acting upon them in a fashion congruent with your soul", but nobody attended that, so he was forced to teach the bass thing. After the huge disillusion that his theories on education would probably not be widely accepted, he obtained the following degrees at the following colleges/universities: Doctorate of English / Oxford University Doctorate of English Tea / Eaton Master's Degree, Writing Meaningful Lyrics / Rosedale Community College Master's Degree, Playing The Drums Very Well / Ned's MegaDrum Study Center and Cineplex, B.C. Graduate Degree, Don't Ever Drink Kool Aid Again / Jim Jones Memorial College, NYC Certificate of Completion / International Tantric Auto Mechanic School, Sri Lanka Certificate of Completion / Louie's House of Deep Fried Donuts and Tantric Training Center, NYC Hope that helps, Douglas Adams ps For best results, read this with your computer monitor turned off. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shulman, Mark" <MShulman@APA-AGENCY.COM> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:56:52 -0700 Subject: Mars 2112 I went to Mars 2112 for dinner last night. The place is really cool. You arrive in the lobby of the restaurant and it is a spaceport. You get a boarding pass and then when your ship arrives, you get in and go on a 4 minute virtual ride to mars. The space ship rocks and shakes... its pretty wild. And then you arrive and the seat you for dinner. There are aliens walking around acting weird and the whole decor is like a big space rock. The food was pretty damned good too and the prices weren't too bad. I highly suggest checking it out if you are ever in NYC. For more info, check out the website: www.mars2112.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:13:46 -0500 Subject: Just wondering... When you're listening to "The Analog Kid", does anyone else ever think Geddy sings "Call me a commie"? :) Patiently awaiting flames for my latest stupid post... Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "jack moers" <jmoers@memphisonline.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:33:48 -0700 Subject: Alex's Sleeves Has anyone ever seen a picture of Big AL with short sleeves. The only ones I can find are of him in either a sport coat or long sleeves. Is it because of all his tattoos? How about that picture of Geddy in the Power Windows album....talk about big hair rock stars of the 80's!!!!!!!! Jack Moers ---------------------------------------------------------- From: johncaulfeild@pmsc.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 09:15:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Embarrassing (cont'd) & High School Quotes Catherine Brissette said: everyone brought in the CD they were most embarrased to own. it was pretty hilarious. so how about it, TNMSers? Anybody got a Neil Diamond or Hanson CD? ;) Mike Williamson said: "I have early ABBA...." ==> I don't know about other Rush fans, but it seems like we on TNMS tend to come from the same era, coming of age so-to-speak in the 80's, when Rush was ALL we would play. Now that I have aged (some might say "matured"?), my musical tastes have widened somewhat. My personal collection of 500 cd's covers literally everything from ABBA to Zappa. Yes, I have Neil Diamond and Hanson; I also have Johnny Mathis, Vivaldi, Miles Davis, Benny Goodman, Deep Purple, Neil Young, Bay City Rollers, CCR, Partridge Family, Midnight Oil.... I'm all over the map. I guess I like to have a good selection whenever friends come over. Even the boys in the band are showing their outside interests, what with Alex's 'Victor' project, and Neil's 'Buddy Rich' tributes, and Geddy's assorted productions (eg. 'Boys Brigade'). Before some of you point me to the nearest site for the 'musically challenged', I'll just say that Rush remains one of my biggest influences, and is still music that I hold 'closer to my heart'. Peace to all, John ps. New thread? Did anyone use a Rush quote in their high school yearbook? I had "Deviate From the Norm" engraved on the front cover, and used the following quote next to my graduating picture: "Though I've reached a signpost, it's really not the end; like old Sol behind the mountain, I'll be coming up again." I thought it was quite appropriate! ----------------------------------------------------------
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