The National Midnight Star #2086

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You should too Re:New Album MUSH The Piss Looking for rarities ATTN Mike Bahr greatest drummer in the world!! Lack of Presto on Live Album, Comment on Live Album Box Set You gotta be kidding me!! New album, in defense of.. Live Album setlist Re: Live album kings x Rush Tattoo's Radio City Music Hall '83 Come on, Let up on the live set Reason for Live Album Songs New Thread!!!! Re: Geddy in Queen and Rush vs. Hollywood Could this be a put on? new live album songlist pent (angles) (agrams) (house) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steph R." <starchild7@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:46:15 EDT Subject: AIM, Album Title, HHGTTG, radio, etc 1) My AOL instant messanger name is Bufflystar. (if you don't mind talking to a 15 year old) 2) Different Stages- Fabulous improvement. Much better than Dimlit. 3) It has suddenly come to my attention that several of the menbers of TNMS are fans of a Science Fiction Writer, Douglas Adams. E-me if you're a fan! If not, you should pick up his book... Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. (great sci fi work... comedy) 4)What does the radio know that I don't? I heard Finding My Way, Time Stand Still, Distant Early Warnings, and Subdivisions (2ice!) all on the radio in the past four days... I never hear Rush on the Radio! 5) I will be driving next summer (yeah!) and I am planning on springing for a personalized plate. My choice? AF2K RTB (my two favorite rush albums) In the CD changer yesterday: The Cure-Galore Stabbing Westward-Darkest Days Squirrel Nut Zippers-Inevitable Victor Rush- Exit... Stage Left Black Lab-Your Body Above Me (sounds really cool when you hit the "random" button) Steph "Everything about me is a lie. At least it feels that way when I look in your eyes..." "Vigilante themes and a cheap guitar, I am my own Movie Star." "Well, you just don't get it." (which one is the rush line? $200 to the person that can name band/album/song title of each...) :op PS I'm sure this has been mentioned before.. anyone notice in the song "The Big Wheel" it says leap of fate and twist of faith... (it's actually supposedly the other way around) PPS I listen to Victor then I listen to T4E and I notice Rush undertones in Victor... or are they Victor undertones in Rush? I guess it's just Alex undertones in everything..... :) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfan.2112@juno.com (Christopher W Lindsay) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:15:54 -0400 Subject: Points to Ponder attn: rush mgr, feel free to edit, just something different for the newsletter, thanks! For years, I use to listen to the many RUSH tunes, and at times, some observations would enter my mind and cause me to always think of them whenever I hear a particular song. For the sake of variety (after all, it's the spice of life), here are some thoughts... 1) Half the World: When Ged sings "like a torn up photograph", it reminds me of Jim Croce's "So I had to say I love you...in a song." Wierd eh? 2) "The Pass" The opening bass twangs are very similar to "Witch Hunt" ( the beginning, after "torch lit hill) In fact, it's very similar--almost like they copied it) Makes you wonder if a similarity in theme exists too? 3) After the second to last chorus in "Virtuality" the guitar jam makes me think of 2112. Again, similar theme or a string of the theme similar? 4) "Hemispheres" prologue, anyone listen to the part when at the stop of the arrangement, Neil hits that one "ping" right before getting into the serious jamming, turn to another person and hit their head. My girlfriend hates that! 5) "The Camera Eye" Anyone else think that Ged burps instead of "morning guv?" Sorry guys, had to add it to the list. 6) "Between the Wheels" Anyone wish they ended that song differently? I love the keyboard, chinese symbal, chorus during "Wheels can spin you around, wheels can take you down..." That music would been great to finish, IMHO only! 7) "By-Tor and the Snowdog" on ATWAS: I always crack up when Ged's voice is temporarily drowned out by the guitars in the beginning. Why? Just the energy that they showed--I don't know it just cracks me up. Does anyone else have these tidbits? Share them. 8) "Freewill" on ESL, during "Genetic blends..." Ged sounds like a chipmunk. Relax flammers, I honestly think he milked his high voice at times. He even mentioned in interview (sorry I can't remember which) that "Dog Years" allowed him to have fun and jump in that high octave pitch. 9) Who doesn't say "Jacob's Ladder" like Ged does on ESL? I do. 10) When I die and go to heaven (agnostics/atheists--wherever) I will spend eternity playing three parts of three RUSH songs. The jams in "The Camera Eye" before Ged starts singing, "Jacob's Ladder" after the synth-middle, and the end of "Prime Mover." 11) Lastly, the last tidbit that I think of when I listen to a lot of their music, "why are they not considered one of the most talented music groups ever, I will not ever know." IF ANYONE WAS AFRAID TO SAY THE QUIRKY THOUGHTS THEY THINK OF DURING RUSH SONGS, GO AHEAD AND TELL US...BEING FLAMMED ISN'T AS BAD AS YOU THINK...TRUST ME, I KNOW. Rush Sighting: Tampa Bay vs. Detroit, baseball game a few weeks ago, played "Limelight" in between during a pitching change and warmup, got through solo, before it stopped, I think. "It's closing time...." Hard core Triumph fans: please e-mail me, I have a question for you. "This is the end...beautiful (rush fans) the end...." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jonnyg42@juno.com (Jonathan A Gilsdorf) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:46:21 EDT Subject: Pics from 11-1-96 Milwaukee show? Also, comments/?'s about Hello there everybody... I was just wondering if anyone out there might have some good snapshots from the November 1, 1996 show at the Bradley Center in Milwaukee, WI. If so, I'd like to purchase some reprints from you at a reasonable price. Please contact me at this email address if you do. I also have some comments and questions about the "Time to Roll" CD. It is a collection of live performances from Rush's 1992 "Roll the Bones" tour. 1. Why is "Freewill" cut short? 2. As for the "Spirit of Radio"/"Anthem"/"Red Barchetta" medley at the end of the CD, was this the way Rush performed it, or was that a medley invented by the makers of the CD? 3. It is kinda interesting to hear the clapping in "Spirit of Radio." That's it for now, L8r on. Jon G. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Lance2112@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:53:26 EDT Subject: mood music Aloha fellow Rushians! Just thought I would disengage lurker mode before it got permanently stuck and figured that my birthday (Aug 10) was as good a time as any to post something. Like most fans, Im eagerly anticipating the new live set and hoping that they release it with a different title. Im sorry, but "Dimlit Stages for All Ages" just doesn't cut it for me. I'm trying to let it grow on me, but so far nothing has taken root. Also, to answer the question as to which disc hits the CD player first? AFTK tour, without a doubt...but more on that later. Also, I'm just heartbroken for Neil for the two losses he's had to suffer in the last year. At the time it happened, I was about a month behind on NMS and I have to thank Eric for letting me know when he did. It encouraged me to catch up and I have been current (at least within the week) since. I just can't help but wonder WHAT is going thru that genius mind of Neil's and what direction he will take. Whether it's the end of RUSH or not is purely his decision and one I will stand behind either way. Nuff said on that... OK, by now those of you that haven't hit the scroll down button are probably wondering if I have a point to make or if I'm just rambling. Well, maybe a little of both. :o) I listen to a wide variety of music (it helps that I'm a DJ), but time and time again I find myself coming back to RUSH because of two simple reasons. First and foremost is the pure emotional response that it illicits in me, not to mention the images from my past that it seems to conjure up whenever a specific song comes on. Also, it is hard not to marvel in the technical excellence that the boys strive to achieve and be overwhelmed at the amount of music that three people can make. Let me give you an example of mood enhancement. Sunday I was driving back from my mother's in Conroe back to my home in Houston, about an hour away. I popped in my cassette of Chronicles that was cued up at "A Farewell to Kings". During the acoustic guitar intro, I was driving out of the subdivision (no pun intended), filled with lush green trees along a golf course. Just as the tempo kicked in, I pulled out onto the feeder road and accellerated to get on the interstate. When the next song ("The Trees") came on, I was crusing thru the final thick patch of trees before hitting the urban sprawl of Houston. Of course, driving to "The Spirit of Radio" (IMHO the best concert opening song) "Red Barchetta" and "Limelight" was enjoyable as well, each causing the foot to get a little heavy on the gas pedal. Ultimately, what was an hour drive seemed like a mere 10 minutes! As for certain songs bringing back memories, at least half the RUSH library will take me back to a specific moment in time or a special place and most likely cause me to smile. Of course, a song like "Subdivisions" always makes me think of the dreaded HS experience, but others are not so obvious. When I listen to "Cygnus X-1", the ending where Geddy strains to sing "Every nerve is torn apaaaaaaaart!" ALWAYS reminds me of the time that my buddy Derek was giving me an atomic wedgie as I was going back upstairs to stop the tape (I was recording it at the time) just as Geddy was wailing and the song was almost over. I have to sit back and laugh that at the time I could have easily hit that high note right along with him....hehehe **POSSIBLE THREAD IDEA!** OK, so what RUSH song takes you back to a time or place that has absolutely no relation to the song whatsoever? I can't think of a weirder one for me, although "The Fountain of Lamneth" always conjures up images of a memorable mushroom trip, but we wont go there.... In the CD changer: RUSH - Freefall (bootleg) Plant/Page - Walking Into Clarksdale Aerosmith - Nine Lives RUSH - Experience to Extremes (bootleg) Fleetwood Mac - The Dance ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "msutton ." <msutton@shaw.wave.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:25:58 -0600 Subject: Live Disk...Why? Why are they (Rush) Repeating so many tracks from other live disks? I hate to complain and I will buy the disk but why do we need these songs again: The Trees / Closer To The Heart 2112 / Freewill / The Spirit of Radio / Tom Sawyer / YYZ Do they think they will sell more disks to the casual buyer with these songs included? If so it is the right choice for them but for us (the fans who wanted to hear more) it is the "same old thing". I do not even like the choice of 2112 as I would rather have something like The Analog Kid, Cold fire, Presto stuff, Roll the Bones stuff, ect. In short, I would have liked less "Radio" songs and repeated songs. Don't get me started on Closer to the Heart...how can they put that song on this disk? Have we not heard it enough. At least the bonus disk has a few unheard tracks. I will buy the disk but I am still disappointed :( Later ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Keene <mkeene@cts.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:58:04 -0700 Subject: Rush vs. Beastie boys Long time lurker, first time poster. I figured that there is enough room here for my two cents' worth, so here goes! I would be interested to know whom else takes offense at the total ignorance and stupidity "Mixmaster Mike" or whatever the hell his name is has said about my heroes. I remember the same type of crap happened in the mid-eighties when Nikki Sixx of Motley Crue said, "I am from a different school of thought than to think that Geddy Lee is the best bassist in the world". Can anybody actually take a washed-up, eighties "band" on a reunion tour seriously? While all of the poseurs from my teen years were busy listening to "Fight for your Right to Party" we fellow Rush fans knew where good, real, authentic music was to be found. Any comments? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich Malitz" <pickout2@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:58:21 PDT Subject: Different Stages I am writing with a lot of dissapointment tonight. The setlist that has been unveiled is not making my day. I thought Cold Fire, Analog Kid, Half The World, and Show Don't Tell were locks. Also I thought Lakeside Park would make the 78 show. Instead it's only for the "hits." The Spirit Of Radio, Freewill, The Trees, and Tom Sawyer again? Closer To The Heart for the 3rd time?? Why didn't they just give us a 4th version on the 78 show? This is not right. Now, if a box set comes out with all the bonus stuff, all is forgiven! I am happy as anyone about the whole Different Stages project, and I love ALL the songs including the "hits", but as a fan of ALL the songs I would like live versions of everything if possible. In other words give the newer stuff a release too. A full video of the Toronto Test For Echo show would also help a LOT. We would get Virtuallity, Half The World, etc. I wonder if others agree? I think they do! Damn you SRO and Anthem! You better put out that box set! ;) LOL October 6th or Bust! Rich ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "John A. Tyler" <jatyler@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:49:26 -0500 Subject: Fender Geddy Lee Jazz Bass. A follow up. In order to finally settle the question once and for all I called a Fender Product representitive. I used to work at a Fender dealership so I got the direct number from them. The Rep. I talked to called down to the production floor and had one of the prototypes that Geddy actually personally OK'ed brought to him so he could inspect it. (The prototype was made in the custom shop at Fender America.) He assured me that the inlay was real, as was the binding. Although he agreed that it was awfully thin. He said I was the third person who had called about the Japanese made production model, so he was suspecting that Fender Japan had pulled a fast one on us. He then called the american overseer of Fender Japan to ask him about the bass. Neither the Rep. nor the Boss had seen a Japanese made Geddy J-bass yet personally. But they both planned on making it a priority. They said that the early first run of any instrument can have problems, but that this was no excuse for this kind of stuff. I gave them a grocery list of problems that had cropped up with my bandmates GL model. So they called him and he had a new Geddy Lee model in a couple of days. At least they were honest about it, as Fender usually is. If You have a problem with a Geddy Lee model J-bass I recomend calling Fender and working with them to get the situation cleaned up. They are pretty good about it, and of course you'll be happier with your bass afterwards. Later, John A. Tyler ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gumtow <egumtow@mail.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:26:34 -0500 Subject: new live albums After looking at the final track listing for the new in-concert CDs, it appears to me that we have roughly one CD of new material and one CD of old (ie., appears on a different in-concert CD) material. Personally, I would have liked more new material, but I believe the band has a reason for selecting old material. The reason is the same reason why Retrospectives I and II came about. The songs will sound more clear, and the lesser fans which buy only a few CDs will be able to have a more complete set of Rush songs. As for the bonus CD, all but Xanadu, A Farewell To Kings, Cygnus X-1, and Cinderella Man are covered on All The World's A Stage (and Xanadu is on ESL). I don't know what to think of it, except that perhaps the band knew it wasn't a great CD, and hence it was labeled "bonus." I don't believe the box set rumor at all. Geddy said during Rockline after TFE's release that they never finish a song which doesn't make it onto the final release, and therefore a box set from Rush would never happen. I believe his words were, "If something unforeseen should happen to Rush, a plane crash, that would be the end. We don't have any old tapes laying around in the studio," if memory serves correctly. For all the other Univeristy of Texas NMS subscribers (there ought to be plenty of us, since we're the biggest university in the nation population wise)-- I'll be milling about Jester Center after move-in on the 18th. I'll be wearing my tortoise and hare Counterparts shirt once a week or so for a while. Say something if you see me. Eric Gumtow 8/14/98 ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Balog <JBALOG@drew.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:06:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: live cd/possible TO show According to the local NY radio station, the only track not from the T4E tour on the first 2 discs is Bravado. Does anyone know if a live video planned? A local NJ radio station is giving away a Toronto concert weekend (Aug 22 23). One day is a day of music from Canadian artists. The other is a really "big" Canadian band. Could it be Rush? WDHA plays a decent amount of Rush. Anyone have inside info. If it is Rush, I would sure be interested in travelling up to TO (its been over a year since the Molson Ampitheatre shows. [ If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say your "big" Canadian band is The Tragically Hip. They're going out on tour very shortly to support their new album... : rush-mgr ] Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Patil" <patilj@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:42:12 EDT Subject: Dream Rush Box Set Here are three more discs rush could release as part of a massive box set (including their planned live album) Rush might have actually been doing us a favor leaving out certain tracks for their live album.. the ones that didn't make the cut would be used here to simulate a live show setlist: Track # - Song - Tour =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disc I: ------ 01. Show Don't Tell (RTB) (/w long intro) 02. Analog Kid (CP) 03. Half The World (TFE) 04. Cold Fire (CP) 05. Time & Motion (TFE) 06. The Pass (RTB) 07. Where's My Thing (RTB) 08. Ghost Of A Chance (RTB) 09. Limbo (TFE) 10. Scars (PRE) 11. Double Agent (CP) 12. War Paint (PRE) 13. Superconductor (PRE) Disc II: ------- 01. The Camera Eye (SIG) 02. Body Electric (GUP) 03. Enemy Within (GUP) 04. The Weapon (GUP) 05. Witch Hunt (GUP) 06. Red Lenses / (GUP) Drum Solo 07. Middletown Dreams (POW) 08. Grand Designs (POW) 09. Prime Mover (HYF) 10. Lock & Key (HYF) 11. Digital Man (SIG) 12. Vital Signs (RTB) Disc III: -------- 01. Bad Boy (RUSH) 02. Not Fade Away (RUSH) 03. Working Man (RUSH) (/w Bytor Jam) 04. Here Again (RUSH) 05. Need Some Love (RUSH) 06. In The End (RUSH) 07. Hemispheres: (HEM) I - Prelude II - Apollo/Dionysus III - Armageddon VI - Cygnus V - The Sphere 08. Circumstances (HEM) 09. Natural Science (PEW) Your thoughts? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Grand Designs <gdesigns@idt.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:18:16 -0700 Subject: The Grand Design Rush Site Quiz Added a new quiz to the site. That makes two. Against the run of the mill Static as it seems We break the surface tension With our wild, kinetic dreams Visit the Grand Designs Rush Site http://members.xoom.com/gdesigns/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: clator@world.std.com (Clator Butler) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I wrote Anthem. You should too I'm a firm believer in strength in numbers. Rush has really goofed, in my opinion, in rehashing ten-or-so songs we already have on other live albums (2112 doesn't count) and leaving off so much good stuff on this new release. So, I took time to engineer a tracklisting based on the T4E setlist, ans swapping in unreleased songs from the previous two tours in place of the material we know and love. I then shuffled some selections to make more sense CD-time-wise, and came up with the following. I put it in a letter to Anthem and mailed it yesterday. I'm attaching the letter. Feel free to use it, sign your name to it, and mail it as well. P.S. Don't send fan mail to this address, as it gets ignored or returned. This is a business address for Anthem. -snip here-- Anthem Records 189 Carlton St. Toronto, ON M5A 2K7 To whom it may concern: This is my second letter to Anthem regarding Rush's upcoming live release. I've actually come up with what I feel to be a more appropriate tracklist, basically by taking the entire setlist from the last leg of the T4E tour, then pulling out previously released songs and replacing them with previously un-released songs. This tracklisting spilled over onto three CDs. So, I moved "2112" to the beginning of Disc 3, and moved those four tracks to the end of disc 2. The entire tracklist really works this way. I used the remainder of disc three as "Thank You Fans" material that hasn't been released before, which could be scrounged from tapes from the 70s, keeping in line with the original concept of the TYF material. Here is what I came up with: Disc 1 Thus Spake Zarathustra Dreamline Limelight Stick It Out Driven Half the World Cold Fire Animate Ghost of a Chance Limbo Double Agent Virtuality Nobody's Hero Bravado Disc 2 Test for Echo Show Don't Tell The Pass Roll the Bones Resist Leave That Thing Alone drum solo Natural Science Time and Motion Where's My Thing Analog Kid Vital Signs Disc 3 "Thank You Fans" Material: 2112 (1997 version) Cygnus X-1 Hemispheres A Farewell to Kings Cinderella Man Circumstances The Necromancer or The Camera Eye Please consider these changes before pressing the CD. This entire set would be a true "thank you" for the fans. Consider an entirely separate release for "Greatest Hits Live" as a single CD, culling other songs primarily from the past two tours (read: outtakes from the new CD). Songs like: Tom Sawyer/Red Barchetta/YYZ/The Spirit of Radio/Freewill/The Trees/Closer to the Heart/ The Big Money/Subdivisions/Force Ten Again, this is just a suggestion, but one from a fan who anticipated this live release only to have news of its tracklisting disappoint greatly. Respectfully, -snip here-- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- |L. Clator Butler Jr. |The power to destroy a |...But I'm | | clator@clator.com |planet is insignificant |trying real | |A rational, romantic, |next to the power of the|hard to be | | mystic, cynical idealist |Force. |the shepherd.| |Our last, best hope for peace| --Darth Vader | --Jules | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Information on my album release: http://www.clator.com | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: SndNature@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:17:51 EDT Subject: Re:New Album MUSH Hello all, Man oh Man. I can't believe how safe Rush play it. Closer to the heart (for the third time) Tom Sawyer- (Awesome- I never heard that one live-hahahaha) Limelite ( Enough- I was hoping for "Open Secrets" silly me) Spirit of Radio ( Whatever!) I guess after seeing Rush a gazillion times and the frustration of seeing the same ole songs year in and year out, I should be used to this, but it still irks me. For the life of me, I can't imagine a band that is so talented and really doesn't need radio or MTV, but they let still them rule the live set lists and live albums. Oh well, Disc three should be alot of fun and 2112 and Natural Science........... Suggestions: Geddy if your out there, please add these to the new album, I didn't get very many presents for Christmas last year and these songs would really, really would make me feel better. Cut to the chase Digital Man Tai Shan Middletown Dreams Panacea And the men who hold high places, should be the ones who start, avoid a cheap Vasectomy and NUKE closer to the heart. Sorry, the new set list just bummed me out. Jimbob ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wilson, Dan" <DWilson@UU.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:19:01 -0400 Subject: The Piss The Piss (sung to "The Pass") Written by Doug and Danny Wilson dwilson@ncmec.org <mailto:dwilson@ncmec.org> (Doug) dwilson@uu.net <mailto:dwilson@uu.net> (Danny) 8/14/1998 > Drunk swagger into the men's room, > Waiting for the open stall, > But the drunks are passed out on the floor > Blocking the urinals and all > > You try the parking lot, > But the cops are waiting there > Dumpster sure to get you a ticket > You have no time to spare > > ... And now you're pissin' on a neighbor's hedge > Staring down at your stream of pee. > Can't believe you have to go again > Drinking beer isn't what it used to be!!!!! > > All of us have pissed in the bushes, > Even chicks have taken a squat > All of us have pissed on a tire > Even times you may have forgot > > Pull 'em down, take it out, and wet it down > > Wizzin' on the neighbor's hedge Pissin' out your truck bed All those beers with their foamy head > Don't turn around and look at my girl by the tree...... > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: clator@world.std.com (Clator Butler) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for rarities I'm planning a compilation, and need the following items: Buddy Rich Memorial Scholarship Concert video featuring Neil Peart "O Canada" as performed by Geddy Lee at the 1994 All Star Game "Battlescar" by Max Webster, featuring Rush "The Little Drummer Boy" by Alex Lifeson "Fancy Dancer" by Rush ... best recoring available "Vital Signs (live)" from the "New World Man" single "Bad Boy" from the boot "By Tor '74" specifically "Not Fade Away" Rush original single "You Can't Fight It" Rush original b-side Flawless copies only (CDR or Hi-Fi Stereo VHS acceptable) (Or, if you trust me with your originals, I promise the upmost care and prompt return) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- |L. Clator Butler Jr. |The power to destroy a |...But I'm | | clator@clator.com |planet is insignificant |trying real | |A rational, romantic, |next to the power of the|hard to be | | mystic, cynical idealist |Force. |the shepherd.| |Our last, best hope for peace| --Darth Vader | --Jules | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Information on my album release: http://www.clator.com | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Dolinger <jaybear2112@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATTN Mike Bahr Mike Bahr, where the hell are you? I'm still waiting on my copy of Virtual Songs. It was sent out over a month ago according to your webpage. I've sent three e-mails in the last month and haven't heard from you. Please write back. Thanks, Jason P.S. Sorry to have to do this here rush-mgr, but I'm getting desperate. == Jason Dolinger OAS, AAS, LLS! GO CATS!!!!! "I had given all that I could take, And now I've only habits left to break, Tonight I'll still be lying here surrounded, In all the light..." Mike Portnoy, Images and Words ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon & Shonna White <crovax@cyberhighway.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:31:55 -0600 Subject: greatest drummer in the world!! Hey fellow RUSH fans,,,first time posting!!!!!!! Is it my imagination,,,or is neil becoming really muscular???? He looks bulky to me,,,,,oh well he still the best!!!!! Crovax ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anderson, Chris " <canderso@amp.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:48:24 -0400 Subject: Lack of Presto on Live Album, Comment on Live Album Hey Rushians out there, Why aren't there any songs from Presto on this live album? I am sure someone has brought this up before, I just had to let my $0.02 out..but think about this: On each of the previous three live albums, there was at least one song from each of the studio recordings made between the (then) current live album and the live album before. example: LIVE - All The World's A Stage AFTK (studio), Hemispheres (studio), Permanent Waves(studio), MP (studio) note: Xanadu/CttH, Trees/Villa, SpiritRad/Freewill/J'sLadd, TS/Rbar/YYZ were all on ESL. Exit Stage Left (live) The case concering ATWAS is different since it covered Rush (Rush's First) through 2112. A Show of Hands : LIVE - ESL Signals (studio), Grace (studio), PW (studio), HYF (studio) note: Subdivisions, DistantEarly/RedSect, BigMoney/Mara/ManProj/Mystic, TimeStand/Forceten/Mission/TurnPage were all on A Show of Hands. Anyway, Presto just got shafted I think. I don't understand this at all. Now, granted, I don't even know which Presto songs were ever played from 1989/90 through 1997. Still, some Presto song (live) could have been put on this live album. Oh well, we can't be all perfectly pleased...just an opinion and an observation. Otherwise, maybe this live album is meant to break some of Rush's former traditions down a bit. Including loads more material is a new, different, and great thing. I commend the Rush camp/rec. company for this move. It will be extremely interesting to hear the live stuff coming out of the AFTK days. Take care, Chris A. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anderson, Chris " <canderso@amp.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:52:44 -0400 Subject: Box Set Just went to The NMS: Maybe the box set will cover the missing Presto and Signals stuff. Two of my favorite albums....well, any Rush album is my favorite album!! cheers Chris A. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Rocke <robert.rocke@yale.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:57:25 -0400 Subject: You gotta be kidding me!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Unfortunately" to put it mildly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please tell us all you're kidding, rush mgr, and that you're "hiding" the real track-listing so we can all be surprised on release-day. I gotta say the song selection REALLY bugs me. To turn down some great newer and as yet unrepresented live tracks like Cold Fire, Ghost of a Chance, The Pass (which we always heard introduced as "one of their faves!") , not to mention The Analog Kid which like Limelight would have been a nice inclusion from earlier "stage" material. Well to turn this great stuff down for yet another rendition of Tom Sawyer. Christ, we've got it on three movie soundtracks this summer already!!! (I know I know, that's a completely separate matter, Mercury decision, etc. BUT still--) I know, I know, the flames are gonna come aflying, but think about this folks... I for one am sick of Tom Sawyer, and to be honest, I don't think The Spirit of Radio has nearly the energy it once did when they now perform it live. Don't get me wrong, I love those songs--so don't doubt my "fan-raderie"--but even The Trees and Closer to the Heart (which at least continues to be different in the variations on its closing "jam") have already been "seen" on live albums. I would MUCH prefer some of these other (admittedly more recent) GEMS! Do you think that they're just not happy with what they've caught on tape as being representative of a truly "best" performance of these songs??? Or is something else going on here??? Suffice it to say that I am very disappointed. It looks like I'm gonna be down in the village soon doing some bootleg shopping that I was passing on (no pun intended...actually, f$@# that: PUN INTENDED!) because I thought I'd get Rush's "definitive" version on the new live album... Sorry about the vehemence (I'm very java-ed up right now), but I stand by my criticism very strongly... I got the heat shield on now...so flame on... -Rob Rocke. >I've also heard that a box set might be in the works, with the tracks that >didn't make the live album (Vital Signs, Ghost Of A Chance, Half The World, >The Pass, The Analog Kid, Double Agent, Show Don't Tell) Why not have just put them on the live album? They REALLY had alot of room with those two full CD lengths... Fuckers. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Ware" <Daniel.Ware@enmu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:41:14 Subject: New album, in defense of.. Hey gang... Craig recently stated, : <<<The track listing for the upcoming live CD is absolutely emabarrassing. The band should be ashamed to put this out. Lets see... The Trees...again Closer to the Heart...again. Will this overrated song ever die? 2112. Not even in the right key. Freewill...again. The same drum solo...for the most part. The Spirit of Radio...again Tom Sawyer...again. See Closer... YYZ...again. I am very disappointed and will now seriously consider not even buying this piece of garbage. I guess all good things must come to an end sooner or later. Comments? Craig>>>>>> Ok, while I agree with some of what he said, I do take issue with a couple of songs. I love hearing CTTH live. Call it a sickness, but it just gives me chills. I know it's on ESL and SOH, but it's just not a live album without it. At the same time, Tom Sawyer is, for some reason, on an upswing, and seems to be finding a new audience. Why not? Far from overrated, it's a kick ass song, that I can listen to over and over again. In fact, you'll find that most people who don't like Rush, do like Tom Sawyer. I'd even go so far as to say that they ought to release it as a single this fall to capitalize on its new found popularity. If I had any money, I bet that they do just that... When they do, and it again becomes a hit, I'll be back to say "I told you so!" :o) Until then, Make mine Marvel.. Cheers from New Mexico.. Dan ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Gentzel <brett.gentzel@seer.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:39:02 -0400 Subject: Live Album setlist To all those who've been bitching about the "repetitiveness" of some of the live album tracks: 1) I agree with you. I don't particularly want to hear another "live" (with studio overdubs, no doubt) version of TS, YYZ, CttH, etc. And I would _love_ to have legitimate versions of the Pass, Analog Kid, Vital Signs, etc. HOWEVER, 2) NONE of you has even remarked about the fact that we'll be getting the first book of Cygnus, A Farewell to Kings, the By-Tor/Xanadu combo, and _Cinderella Man_ (which absolutely _smokes_ live)! My guess is that the band assumes that the 3rd disc will MORE than satisfy the hard core fans. Which leads me to my final point... 3) If you want to look at this from an extremely pessimistic point of view, the band shouldn't (oughtn't, doesn't) give a crap about what we say or think, because they _know_ that we're going to buy whatever they produce. So, they need to create an album that is marketed to the widest audience possible; and yes, that means including Tom Sawyer and Closer to the Heart instead of the Pass and Vital Signs. Let's face it: Rush has never exactly done things the way we, the hard core fans, would like them to do it (play-Totem-and-Between-Sun-and-Moon-live-dammit). I'm not the surprised in the slightest that the tracklist is what it is. I'm just RELIEVED that Natural Science made it! brett ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Slim Jim <jg@ms.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:02:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Live album >>>>> "Craig B. Berwaldt" writes: > The Trees...again > Closer to the Heart...again. Will this overrated song ever die? > 2112. Not even in the right key. > Freewill...again. > The same drum solo...for the most part. > The Spirit of Radio...again > Tom Sawyer...again. See Closer... > YYZ...again. I've always felt that the band's most popular songs (Closer, Tom Sawyer, Xanadu) were way over-rated. I never really liked any of them, though I'm starting to like Xanadu, after twenty years.. Actually I can't believe my vinyl copy of A Farewell To Kings is twenty years old. Slim ---------------------------------------------------------- From: cmoney2@juno.com (Chuck Flowers) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:19:10 -0500 Subject: kings x I have a little news for you King's X fans out there: The new album will be out in early October. I have heard 3 or 4 of the songs and it sounds like King's X will satisfy us once again. Additionally, Doug Pinnicks' new album, under the name Poundhound, is out and it is very good as well. It does not stray too far from the King's X sound and any fans will like it. out c money ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Roscinante <rosc@fbn.dandy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush Tattoo's I've wanted this tattoo for *ages* and could never afford it, but, now for my 31st birthday this saturday Aug. 8, family and friends chipped in, so I've got the butt-naked-dude-warding-off-a-moon-and-star on my left calf *WOOWOO* I saw briefly a thread about Rush tattoos. I'm curious who else has a Rush tat? (Email me if you prefer) I'll have to get pics and find someone with a scanner.. I'll post them when I do :) ~~ All that is gold does not glitter.. . Not all those who wander are lost.. J.R.R.Tolkien . /\ . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ._____// \\_____. And the knowledge that they fear . \\ Rush // . is a weapon to be held against them.. Neil Peart . \\ 2112 // . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . // /\ \\ . Roscinante (rosc@fbn.dandy.net) I[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]I http://fbn.dandy.net/~rosc/index.shtml ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Morisseau <joem@metrolink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:44:02 -0400 Subject: Radio City Music Hall '83 Hi there.... Robert Velez wrote: "Was anyone as fortunate as me to have seen Rush back in 1983 at Radio City Music Hall in N.Y.C. ? They played (5) nights and previewed 3 songs from Signals which they had just completed but not released. They were Subdivisions, New World Man, and The Analog Kid ( one of my all-time favorites)." I wasn't at any of these shows, but I can say that it was not Signals songs they previewed (they did that in Florida '82 which I saw). The 3 songs previewed at those 5 NYC dates were for Grace Under Pressure. Namely, Red Sector A, The Body Electric, and Kid Gloves. There are various recordings of them out there from the shows played there. The Signals tour was already over in May of '83, while these dates were played in September. I bet it was pretty amazing to see them though! :) It's now safe to turn off your computer... Joe ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Anagram79@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:45:37 EDT Subject: Come on, Let up on the live set Hey all, For the most part, you all seemed pissed over the live set...why? I think it looks very impressive. Yeah another version of "Tom Sawyer," but hasn't the song come along a lot since 1981 when it was put on "Exit...Stage Left" and wouldn't it also be kind of neat to put in a CD and hear "Moving Pictures take 38." I think it will be cool. As for "The Spirit of Radio," I don't think that any of you could say that the newer versions of this is not excellent. "The Trees," two words: Guitar Solo. And how can some of you flame "Closer to the Heart?" It's like Kiss and "Rock and Roll all Nite," it's their damn anthem ('anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind'). I'm not saying I'm not disappointed about the leave off's ("The Pass," "Show Don't Tell," and so on) but the band don't have to release another live album, their is no law saying so. Plus they are giving us a show from 1978. I mean that alone would be great. "Cygnus X-1 Book One: The Voyage." Is this a dream, pinch me? Plus we do have "Natural Science," "Dreamline," "Bravado," Lets talk about the songs we do have, feel thankful for new versions of old classics, and wonder about the leave off's and leave it at that. If nothing I want to thank Geddy, Alex and Neil, for yet another addition to their amazing catalogue. Sorry if this makes anyone angry, but that's what I feel, and that's what I need to say. Rob "Who took that canary and fed it to the neighbors cat" Larry Williams "Bad Boy" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "_DEFAULT" <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:52:25 -0500 Subject: Reason for Live Album Songs I thought I'd share with you all some reasons why the live album is = going to have "repeats" instead of some newer songs with no live = versions out there. I do work in the music business, but this is only a = guess: 1) This is the first "Live" album released by Atlantic Records by Rush. = The record company, as we should expect, wants to make money. They know = they have a better chance of selling it if it included "Tom Sawyer", = "Free Will", etc. 2) Although it will be a three disc package, it will sell as a two disc = price, but that's STILL expensive. Although most everyone on the = mailing list will buy it, the general public is still likely to shy away = (this is true with all live albums, especially double ones). 3)The "Bonus" disc is gonna cost Atlantic extra money as well. I'm sure = Rush is shelling out money for it as a "thank you to the fans" but odds = are Atlantic is footing a big part of the bill. 4)Since Rush made it big in the early eighties, their albums have ALWAYS = followed a trend, which is all the die hards buy it when it first comes = out, the sales drop off EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANTLY in the weeks that = follow. When Atlantic signed them in 1989, they were hoping to end this = trend, but alas it remained the same. (These are actually A. Lifesons = words, not mine). 5)The sad thing about the music business today is it is very competitive = and record companies are ALWAYS trying to milk the cow for all it's = worth. I'm not bashing the record companies, it's very similar to the = way free agency is now in major sports. If a team won't sign Mike = Piazza for $14 million a year, some other team will. It's tough. So don't be TOO upset, or I should say don't be mad at the guys in Rush. = I'm sure they didn't have quite as much say as possible. Having said that, I must digress and add that I am ticked off about = nothing from "Presto" making the cut. Does anyone else feel this is = their BEST work since "A Show Of Hands"!? I'd be happy with just ONE = song, but this is an injustice! Let's hope they change their minds on = this one! Peace, Clem CBates@prodigy.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:28:10 -0500 Subject: New Thread!!!! With all this talk of tracks that have been left off the live album, I got to thinking about tracks that *I* would like to hear live versions of, and then I got to thinking that this would be a cool thread idea. So, if you would all join in -- what tracks would *you* like on a live album made just for you? I'm thinkin' 10 tracks will make a nice live album (that's all the longer ATWAS is, and it gives you plenty of room to mess with tempos and lengths of songs and such, plus I don't want to see 30-track compelations taking up precisious space...). So, here's mine -- Show Don't Tell The Analog Kid I Think I'm Going Bald Here Again The Camera Eye Carve Away The Stone Available Light Cygnus X-1: Book II Circumstances Entre Nous Okay...there's my list...anyone else got any ideas? Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Palo" <double_agent54@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:16:46 PDT Subject: Re: Geddy in Queen and Rush vs. Hollywood Dear fellow Rushians, Salvete et Xairete! I know Galahad is a big Queen fan (so am I coincidentally), but I have Live Killers *and* Sheer Heart Attack and I can assure everyone out there that John Deacon (one hell of a bass player) does not look anything like Neil or Ged. First, the wardrobe question. John Deacon has a very individualized wardrobe. In the seventies, it was overalls, with bell bottoms. In the eighties, it was nice shirts with ties. I don't think Ged or Neil ever came close to looknig like him with possible exception to the hair (which John Deacon cut in the late 70s). Besides, if you look at the liner for Sheer Heart Attack, you can tell instantly that it wouldn't be Ged for the fact that John is playing a Fender bass and we all know that Ged wouldn't start using one until MP. And as for Hollywood using Rush for movie trailers, I don't think we should all get hyped up it. I'm sure Rush gets a royalty check (their lawyers probably made sure to that). And besides, who, honestly, sees a movie because of what song is used to promote it in the trailer? God knows, I don't. I mean, how many of you who like Blur's "Song # 2" and Smashmouth's "Walking on the Sun" to go see Starship Troopers and Wag the Dog? Rush is popular, but the use of TS is not to make us go see the movie at all. IT's good filler material, not that I am according TS to the status of a "filler" song, for the movie, which is the main focus. But for those of you who like poetic justice, wouldn't it be interesting if the soundtrack for Waterboy or Small Soldiers outsold the movie itself? Unfortunately, these look like good movies and are not as bad as Whitney Houston movies, where the soundtrack always outsells the movie itself. So the soundtracks won't sell as well as the movies, but at the same time, we should acknowledge that Rush is really moving into more people's music collections. Take care! Chris Palo ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kegler, Nick" <nkeg@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:27:53 -0700 Subject: Could this be a put on? I'm a Rush fan from waaaay back to the beginning. I too am embarrassed by the lack of creativity in track selection for the upcoming CD. But... over the years, and you know this as well as I, Rush has always had little inside 'jokes' on things. Remember the Fear 'Trilogy', album photos, fake plays on names and words? Maaaaybe the 'set list' is just something that is fuel to another joke or just a misdirection to get people off their backs while this project is finishing development. Parish the thought that a 'paragon of virtue' like a record company, wouldn't lie. (Wink, wink.) EVERYTHING that you hear in the media is gospel, isn't it? Didn't listing to Rush over the years make you want to spend more time with creative thought and have an open mind that always looks at more than just one side? Just food for thought. The set list could be totally different than the 'official' one. And wouldn't be a wonderful surprise, that if you walked into your favorite music store and picked up the new Rush CD and it was totally different from what you thought it would be! Gee... like Rush has never surprised us or treated us to something different before. I guess we'll all know when the day arrives. All the best, - Nick ---------------------------------------------------------- From: GuitarRUSH@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:33:29 EDT Subject: new live album songlist I agree with alot of people that "Different Stages" songlist needs to have more songs from their last four studio albums. Mainly I think this is because every one of their live albums have songs from the four studio albums before it, Rush would be breaking traditition by including way too many songs from their past. They need to include a few from Presto if they want a true live album. As for the drum solo, I'm glad they are including it because it has gone through many changes(for the good), and so now I can show my drummer that Neil truly is the best, because he kicked ass at the T4E tour drum solo! Anyhow, another subject of importance is the new fame Rush has had on movies and radio. So far, Rush will be on three movie soundtracks, ironically all are Tom Sawyer. On local radio stations around the Carolinas, I'm guessing because this new found fame of Rush , they have played the hell out of Tom Sawyer!! (I've at least heard it 11 times total so far this week!) Also Rush was on VH1 at 1:30 a.m.east. time this morning on pop-up video with the "Canadian Invasion" theme. While what those little annoying bubbles were saying half the time was a load of shit, it still was pretty cool to see the best band in the world be on mainstream cable TV for a change. Anyhow, I hope they change the songlist some , I'm happy for seeing my faves on there so far(Natural Science, Dreamline), again as i said earlier, they still need to include more recent material from their last four albums than another "greatest hits-live" type album. I wish they would stop pushing the date back though. I can just remember a short while ago when it was late sept...... boy how things change so quickly??? I'm outta here Chris "Lerxst-man" Honeycutt ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rinckster@webtv.net (The Rinckster) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: pent (angles) (agrams) (house) Geez, thanks guys!! I really never paid attention to which way the points went. You know, just as soon as we get all that goat blood mopped up I'm gonna to have to check that out!! serenity • courage • wisdom • just for today ----------------------------------------------------------
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