The National Midnight Star #2056

Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@yyz.com Subject: 06/19/98 - The National Midnight Star #2056
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Genesis and Dream Theater Re: 06/17/98 - Rush Lawyers DONNA HALPEN, 11-1-97 eric wheelock, 11-7-97 Reply to Jason on Track speed on Xanadu Time and Motion - and Pitch/ B-Man Track Speed on Xanadu RUSH at Stanley Cup Playoffs Slander, Scarred (none) Track speed on Xanadu Ayn Rand Again Free(will)-loader KY and Rush is it true? New Live Disc(s) Alex Van Halen Cover of 2112: Overture by Grammatrain Drummer Temples of Syrinx another RUSH inpired musician dies Re: Stop your whining and the Bman Bitching on TNMS??? Question (fwd) Re: 06/18/98 - The National Midnight Star #2055 'Classic' arcade games... ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Radzikowski, PFC; 501st MI BDE" <radzikoj@seoul-501mi.korea.army.mil> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:07:46 +0900 Subject: RE: William Cary Hall and "B-man" Fellow Rush non-bashers, I haven't written anything in a while, but I have heard something I didn't like-forgive me if this was rumor. I'm with you, William. Boston is a great band. Now I love Rush but I think B-man has passed into the outer limits here. I enjoyed his book immensely and I don't know him personally, but with a liking for music like Rush produces, I couldn't understand his qualm with Boston. They have been knocking out some great stuff [few and far between-but still good]. Along with Rush and REO Speedwagon, Boston is one of those bands I was first introduced to and have liked them ever since. To me, they're music is a bit progressive, as is RUSH. I like that. How one album forms a kind of story. Third Stage-great album!! Just a little note here, I'm getting another tattoo this weekend, and I decided on our beloved logo. Some may think that's stupid, but I've always wanted that. Anybody else get it as a tattoo, out there? Just interested to know. 54 days and a wake-up in this sh*t country!! Later, Raz ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:06:00 -0500 Subject: Big Band Myself being a big fan of Buddy Rich (and big-band/jazz/swing in general) (I have to admit...I got hooked on Buddy when I heard 'Burning For Buddy'), I got to wondering what Neil thinks of sudden onslaught of swing bands like Cherry Poppin' Daddies. I mean, does he think this will draw fans to check out the older stuff (such as Buddy), or will fans do the same to this music that they do to just about every other music (i.e. say "Well, that's old stuff, so it sucks, and I won't even give it a chance...") Anyone have any opinions? Ryan/Stimpy "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Pupello II <dpupello@gate.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:19:04 -0400 Subject: Bill Banasiewicz I won't bother to quote the magnificently childish post of Bill Banasiewicz, if in fact that's who wrote said drivel -- you never know nowadays about fake posts. I *hope* it was a prankster, because if that was the real Bill Banasiewicz, it's shameful to admit he typed one of the few books about Rush. Then again, Visions was such an amateurish effort style-wise that the whiny, adolescent attitude displayed in his (com)post makes perfect sense. Bill, I hope you "write" eighty-seven books about Rush or say, Maturation: A Mystical Concept, but please, have mercy, don't foist them on the public. A second benefit to all that typing would be you'd lack the time to ever post here again. Dennis Pupello II Technology Division City of Brooksville personal email: dpupello@gate.net work email: webmaster@ci.brooksville.fl.us WWW personal: http://www.gate.net/~dpupello WWW govt: http://www.ci.brooksville.fl.us Efnet IRC: #quake, #deathmatch: YyzSinned, YyzDen ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfreak@juno.com (Aaron B Calder) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:16 EDT Subject: B-man or Julien? Does anyone else on this list think that this Bill Banasiewicz character is our beloved Julien in disguise? Aaron Calder _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------- From: SchmengGod@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:06:17 EDT Subject: Re: A Work In Progress (the ramblings of Bill) What a piece of trash. And for a fellow "Rush fan," this is embarrassing. This, supposedly, from the person who held a position of trust with a wonderful band (and a great group of friends), and through his own admitted actions, screwed it up beyond measure. I submit.... << I subscribe to lists of many different bands, and it's really "sad" that the Rush list has the worst content of any of them, by far!>> Well, come on, "Bill," enlighten us. Since this list lacks so much, in your opinion, tell us more stories of your experiences with the band to improve it. << Now, as far as the rumors are concerned, YES, I did play a demo on the radio before it's release. And I've NEVER denied such a fact. It would be awfully hard to deny something which thousands of people heard! Not only that, but I did it again! The circumstances surrounding the 2nd time really sealed my fate with the band.>> One, a bonehead move like that proves that you're more of an idiot than most people realize, and second, your reputation is in such tatters at this point that there really isn't a whole hell of a lot that you could do to redeem yourself. Most important of all. You're lying about "never denying such a fact," and you know you are. And to do it twice----what the hell is the matter with you? << So it was really the circumstances surrounding what happened, which really pissed the band off. I made a mistake! I'm sorry! I wish it never happened, but it did! It's my bed, and I'm lying in it.>> :::Ding!::: We have a winner! Between that faux pas and chasing after a baseball and tripping on a wire, I could not stop laughing. Besides, I know Janis Joplin, and she really is ticked that no one believed that she signed a petition for Rush to play Philadelphia. ("Hey, Janis! Some guy named Peart just made fun of you!") <<. I know more about this band than "all" of you folks at the National Midnight Slander combined!>> OK. Nyah, nyah, nyah. Flake. << So don't tell me I CAN'T write another book on the band. I can write five books! You folks, just may never see them!>> And you can't ride in my little red wagon. So now we're even. Now, to your side of the sandbox. You are too f***ing funny, man. Really. SG ("It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Schmeng.") :p ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric A. Haswell" <ehaswell@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:11 -0600 Subject: The Tom Sawyer Remix Hey folks! Just joined the list again after a long hiatus, and it's nice to be back!! For my inaugural post, I'm presenting my take on the Tom Sawyer remix which has been talked about as of late. I found a sample somewhere about a month ago and grabbed it, too bad i didn't save it (anybody know where this is?? It was a techno/hiphop type of site) Anyway, the remix!! The sample is the first part of the song, up to the middle of the first verse. The DJ loops the first few seconds a couple of times, then it goes into the vocal, all the time being looped/redoubled/scratched or whatever you call it. I wouldn't say that he butchers the song, but the constant looping gets annoying and boring REALLY fast. Plus, the sample dominates the mix, there is nothing thrown in alongside it, so it quickly becomes apparent that the "remix" could more accurately be called a "ripoff", as with the Puff Daddy song that used the riff from Every Breath You Take. I'm not against sampling at all, quite the opposite in fact. I think it's great that some DJ used a Rush riff as a sample. I wish more bands would! I just didn't feel that he made very creative use of what could have been pretty cool!! good day eh Eric the Red aka Mr. Canada "Woof!" -Erin's dog(s) "Time is money and I'm wasting both" -Jeff Grosso ---------------------------------------------------------- From: ROGOZHIN@webtv.net (Joseph Sims) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:33:00 -0500 Subject: Own your own Red Barchetta!! While traipsing through cyberspace this evening, I did an Alta Vista search on "Ferrari Barchetta" and found an Italian company that makes 1:18 scale die-cast models (they have a funny name, like Bburago or something). One of their features of the month was a 50th anniversary editon Barchetta... apparently in 1997 the folks at Pinnafarina pulled out all the stops on this one, because it's a beauty. The model-makers at Bburago didn't do too bad, themselves. If you want to se it, here's the address: http://www.die-cast.com/feature/issues/97-09/index2.html I have no idea where you might go to get one of these; there's a speciality store here in Kansas City MO called "Cars the Star" which may or may not carry them... try giving them a call @ 816/221-1957 if you're interested. I do know that they ship worldwide, and will accept credit card orders over the phone. Sorry that I have only the sketchiest of info, but that's what happens when I surf late at night. If anyone is interested in procuring one of these, send me a private email and I will get the pertinent info (cost, etc.) back to you... That way, you can avoid the telephone charges... and really, isn't that what the internet is all about?! "The rabbit goes like this..." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfreak@juno.com (Aaron B Calder) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:47:50 EDT Subject: Genesis and Dream Theater Hey fellow Rush-Addicts, Thanks to all of you on this list that recommended Peter Gabriel - Genesis, I went and picked up Selling England by the Pound, and I absolutely loved it! What's the low down on the rest of the Gabriel era? Which of the other albums are any good? I really loved all the 7/4 time signatures (One of the reasons I like Rush and Dream Theater). Do any of the other Gabriel Albums have these funky time signatures in them? I've also been exploring the realms of Yes - interesting band. Are there more interesting Prog bands from the 70 that use funky time signatures (the more the better), please do share - working on expanding my collection. For the Rush fan that recently picked up Falling Into Infinity - that by far is their most conventional and pop oriented album - making it my least favorite Dream Theater Album. My favorites are Images and Words and When Dream and Day Unite. Awake seems to be there "heaviest" Album - Sort of a hybrid between Rush and Metallica (Sorry for the lack of a better comparison). A Change of Seasons is also enjoyable and is good for long scenic drives. One of the things I like about Dream Theater are the unconventional time signatures, everything from 13/4 to 5/4 and all in the same song (Falling into infinity seems to have the most strait 4/4 songs of any album). Good luck in your DT explorations. Any Fates Warning fans out there? Aaron Calder _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jordan Rodman" <rodman@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:28:22 -0700 Subject: Re: 06/17/98 - Rush Lawyers In response to Martin Urionaguena's comment (and everyone else's) about Rush's lawyers shutting down the NMS page, I assure you, the attorneys are not doing anything the Boys and/or their label(s) haven't specifically told them to do. I know its convenient and popular to blame the lawyers, and I know that this unfortunate news has left a bad taste in our mouths, but remember two things: (1) an attorney cannot act contrary to their client's directions, and (2) if you were in Rush's shoes, you'd be doing the same thing. Let's all try to deviate from the norm here, and not blame the lawyers for all the problems in the world, and specifically, for doing what Rush and their record companies have told them to do. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: <Pamela1114@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:41 EDT Subject: DONNA HALPEN, 11-1-97 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -part0_898148502_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148502@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII -part0_898148502_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148502@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <> Received: from relay28.mx.aol.com (relay28.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.28]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v44.13) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:35:03 -0400 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by relay28.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA21181 for <Pamela1114@aol.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo16.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) with internal id BAA11312; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:35:00 -0400 (EDT) found) Message-Id: <199806180535.BAA11312@imo16.mx.aol.com> To: Pamela1114@aol.com Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The original message was received at Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:34:34 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- rush@syrinx.umd.ed ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 rush@syrinx.umd.ed... Host unknown (Name server: syrinx.umd.ed: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from Pamela1114@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CDDKa04556 for <rush@syrinx.umd.ed>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: <Pamela1114@aol.com> Message-ID: <9e017c9f.3588a6eb@aol.com> To: rush@syrinx.umd.ed Mime-Version: 1.0 not found) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_898148074_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -part0_898148074_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148074@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII -part0_898148074_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148074@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <> Received: from relay22.mx.aol.com (relay22.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.68]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v44.13) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:49 -0400 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by relay22.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA17141 for <Pamela1114@aol.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo19.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) with internal id BAA12227; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:45 -0400 (EDT) found) Message-Id: <199806180532.BAA12227@imo19.mx.aol.com> To: Pamela1114@aol.com Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The original message was received at Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:41 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- RUSH@SYRINX.UMD.ED ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 RUSH@SYRINX.UMD.ED... Host unknown (Name server: syrinx.umd.ed: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from Pamela1114@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CMBIa04365 for <RUSH@SYRINX.UMD.ED>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: <Pamela1114@aol.com> Message-ID: <2640c282.3588a67a@aol.com> To: RUSH@SYRINX.UMD.ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Donna's comments about rush not being able to get onto snl and not doing well in new york or boston. to expand, the east coast, inbred with liberalism, does not take kindly to neal's conservative undertones he gleans from living life throught the lenses of ayn rands objectivism. so it is the elites liberal views that are spared by not giving rush more exposure. dave ondo -part0_898148074_boundary-- -part0_898148502_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: <Pamela1114@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:39:54 EDT Subject: eric wheelock, 11-7-97 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -part0_898148863_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148863@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII -part0_898148863_boundary Content-ID: <0_898148863@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <> Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by air10.mail.aol.com (v44.13) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:40:15 -0400 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA17695 for <Pamela1114@aol.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo28.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) with internal id BAA26304; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:40:07 -0400 (EDT) found) Message-Id: <199806180540.BAA26304@imo28.mx.aol.com> To: Pamela1114@aol.com Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The original message was received at Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:39:54 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- rush@syrinx.umd.ed ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 rush@syrinx.umd.ed... Host unknown (Name server: syrinx.umd.ed: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from Pamela1114@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CLHNa17154 for <rush@syrinx.umd.ed>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: <Pamela1114@aol.com> Message-ID: <e4331709.3588a82b@aol.com> To: rush@syrinx.umd.ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 in response to eric's posting of his favorite test for echo song, the color of right: i say every rush song is my favorite, but if i had to pick the best song on tfe......how can you overlook virtuality.....here we are communicating in the net...and neil writes a song about it that just absolutly rocks.....i think i'll listen to it now. dave ondo -part0_898148863_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Swisstpa@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:50:00 EDT Subject: Reply to Jason on Track speed on Xanadu My rebuttal to you Jason Flynn: Do you play guitar? If so, you would find the tuning in Xanadu extremely unusual. You would also notice that every other song on A Farewell To Kings uses a standard tuning. When Alex decides to use an alternate tuning, he usually tunes up or down a full tone or semi-tone (e.g. in The Big Money Alex tuned his guitar up a full tone). Xanadu is strange. It is slightly sharp - not even a semi-tone. I can't imagine that the band re-tuned all the keyboards, guitars and basses to this unusual tuning for this one song. Almost every other song on every other album uses a standard tuning. I KNOW they sped up the song intentionally, but I'm sure it was a monetary decision - studio time is expensive, and this was a cheap shortcut to fix a perceived problem. Keep in mind, vocals are usually recorded separately after the instruments are recorded. My suspicion is that the band realized the tempo of Xanadu was a little slow, sped up the tape and THEN Geddy recorded the vocals. This would make his voice sound normal, since he was singing to the already sped-up instrument tracks. Keep in mind, Xanadu is only slightly out of tune, which would not create a noticeable change in the tone of the instruments. As for the notion that changing the tempo without changing the pitch is COMPLETELY impossible - I believe it is entirely possible - that is what Digital technology is all about (it's all translated into 1s and 0s - you can do amazing things with computers!). Would the band care to fix it? Probably not - I'm sure Alex doesn't jam to his own albums, and therefore hasn't realized how irritating this is. By the way, I got several emails from others who have noticed the problem and also found it irritating. One email even recommended I check out Denon CD players, because they have pitch control capabilities similar to the tracking speed adjustment on turntables. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Carroll/Katherine Moore <xamolleh@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:36 -0600 Subject: Time and Motion - and Pitch/ B-Man > If you change the speed of the music you change the > frequency of the notes (thus changing the # of waves per second), and > finally the pitch is affected. > In a word, no. Things called VSO's (Variable Speed Oscillators) have existed for decades. Don't ask me how they work, but their purpose is precisely to change pitch without altering speed. There are surely more sophisticated (digital) versions of this tool today. Software that allows you to do this with sound files is common and inexpensive. Differences in pitch between "pressings" of vinyl, tape, and most likely even CD's can and do exist. Sound system components are another factor that can vary pitch. Regarding your comments on Visions, etc. - bravo! I'd like to say to Bill Banasiewicz: First, thank you for Visions. Second, almost any non-fiction work I've ever read had some annoying and unsatisfying aspects in retrospect; I think the criticism leveled at Visions here has been valid and literarily- (and not personally) oriented. Third, I have yet to see anything "slanderous" of *anybody*, least of all Rush, posted here. Every list (except the ______ list, the only list for serious Rush fan/musicians, of course) :> is full of "idiotic crap" (very subjective); if you can't distinguish between loose talk (it's allowed) and slander (it's illegal, even on the Internet), you need to think about it a little more clearly. And fourth, calm down! We dug, and still dig, your ENTHUSIASM for the band. It's something we share. Sean Carroll ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyke_Cameron@providentcompanies.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:09:47 -0400 Subject: Track Speed on Xanadu Tyke Cameron@PROVIDENT LIFE 06/18/98 09:09 AM Jason R. Flynn wrote: >You'd think >with all the digital technology available today, they could speed up the tempo >of the track without changing the pitch of the song. This, I'd say, is COMPLETELY impossible. I don't claim to know about today's technology, but dealing with sound reproduction seems to be a fairly simple concept--you have music which contains notes at a certain frequency. If you change the speed of the music you change the frequency of the notes (thus changing the # of waves per second), and finally the pitch is affected. Jason, You are correct, but when dealing with digital information, anything is possible. It's how that information is interpreted and then presented which determines it's audible perception. I have included a link to a software program that a lot of musicians may find useful which would give an example of this. The software supposedly (I have not personally checked it out) is capable of playing CDs at different speeds _without_ changing the pitch. I can see a lot of musicians out there using this program for learning difficult and/or intersting guitar/bass licks by looping the track (or portion thereof) at a slower tempo. http://www.replayinc.com/looper.htm - Tyke ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rushfan.2112@juno.com (Christopher W Lindsay) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:59:02 -0400 Subject: RUSH at Stanley Cup Playoffs Maybe the guy playing "Freewill" and "Tom Sawyer" is a RUSH fan. Or maybe he played RUSH because of all the Canadians on both teams. I know one of the Red Wings is a fan, can't remember which, I think Maltby or Kocur. Anyways, shake it easy! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Neil Bonfield <nbonfiel@ford.com> Date: 18 Jun 1998 09:18:03 -0400 Subject: Slander, Scarred Well, good to hear from bman - what an articulate, witty, personable chap he sounds. Great sense of humour too...National Midnight Slander - wow, this guy is on form. :P I would like to back up a recent post about Scarred Records - Ryan is really trying (and succeeding) to provide a great service. I sent off for Run Faster and was amazed to receive it in the post within a week! And that's from Texas to the UK. I'm looking forward to getting Spiral, which is another of Ryan's MP3 collections - great! Puts to shame some other boot suppliers. :) rush-mgr - can you tell me where the parody South Park episode is. Now we get to see it over here it might make more sense to me...! Mind you, if the South Park lawyers are watching... [ Hm, I don't think I've ever put it up on the web page. I'll see if I can remedy that this weekend as I move more files over to the new server. : rush-mgr ] Superconductor - great song, but on my CD the first clonk on the cowbell (or is it a timbale or a crotale? I KNOW it's not a triangle!) sounds a bit wierd...more of a cloink, as if the tape had a slight drop out. Maybe I'm just having an audial synaptic breakdown at that point (yeah, right), or I'm just suffering from cloinkitis. Anyone? Well, I'm sure this post qualifies as drivelous as far as bman is concerned, but who gives a flying f-fortress, as most of his post qualified too, IMO! Neil Bonfield <nbonfiel@ford.com> ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick.Farenga@telos.com (Patrick Farenga) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:39:40 -0400 Can anyone tell me if there is a web site address or a catolog where I can order RUSH posters, pins, bumber stickers, and other memorabilia? Please E mail me at patrick.farenga@telos.com. Thanks Pat ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flynn, Jason R" <Jason.R.Flynn@UNISYS.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:55:20 -0500 Subject: Track speed on Xanadu My rebuttal to your rebuttal you Swisstpa: > Do you play guitar? If so, you would find the tuning in Xanadu extremely > unusual. You would also notice that every other song on A Farewell To > Kings uses a standard tuning. No I don't play guitar and I don't pretend to know anything about Alex's playing or tuning in general. I just found it interesting that you claimed that "everyone has noticed that Xanadu is not in tune with the rest of the songs on AFTK." Doesn't that give me license to comment even though I don't play guitar? Unless you think everyone *does* play guitar? I don't doubt anything you claim to have observed relating to guitar or tuning. > I KNOW they sped up the song intentionally, but I'm sure it was a monetary > decision - studio time is expensive, and this was a cheap shortcut to fix a > perceived problem. OK maybe they did speed it up but your reasons for why are ridiculous. Song speed has no bearing on how much time they spend in the studio, and on the AFTK album, side 1 is 16:59 in length and side 2 is 20:32. Why would they need to shorten side 1 if a time constraint was the issue. Rush has dealt with time constraint issues in the past--Project 3:57, New World Man--and the reasons surrounding the problem on Signals don't apply to AFTK. > Keep in mind, vocals are usually recorded separately after the instruments > are recorded. My suspicion is that the band realized the tempo of Xanadu > was a little slow, sped up the tape and THEN Geddy recorded the vocals. OK, that's all plausible. It's just my opinion that they wouldn't do that. > As for the notion that changing the tempo without changing the pitch is > COMPLETELY impossible - I believe it is entirely possible - that is what > Digital technology is all about (it's all translated into 1s and 0s - you > can do amazing things with computers!). I have a hard time believing it can be accomplished with much quality, but who knows--I change my stance from claiming I know it's impossible to merely *doubting* that it is possible. > I got several emails from others who have noticed the problem and > also found it irritating. > One email even recommended I check out Denon CD > players, because they have pitch control capabilities similar to the > tracking speed adjustment on turntables. Cool. I always enjoy messing with the speed of the old record player to change everything. Remember, I never claimed that the tone wasn't different. I believe you. Peace. Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "James E. Tolve" <James_E._Tolve@NEWYORKLIFE.COM> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:10:23 -0400 Subject: Ayn Rand Again Rush mgr. I'm not sure you'll allow this to become a new thread, but I figured, what the hell, we had a thread about fractals last year which didn't have much of a tie-in to Rush, so why not philosophy. I just wanted to respond to a recent post by John and/or Darlene Heald concerning some recent comments I made about Ayn Rand. In their post, they said: "James, would you say that the above stated philosophy (objectivism), de facto, would support Social Darwinism? Because this is what I?ve taken from Rand and I cannot support this posture in myself, others or governments. IMO, Objectivism, while the philosophy goes deeper than Libertarianism, can not be separated from Libertarianism since it?s position supports Libertarian views." In answer to the first part, my answer is no, objectivism does not support Social Darwinism. The premise of Social Darwinism is survival of the fittest or that man is a brute animal with no capacity to reason. It is a philosophy that doesn't separate man from the savage ( whether it is a ferocious lion killing its prey or an early primate). Objectivism holds rationality as man's basic virtue, and it's what enables you to have an intelligent conversation such as this. Objectivists compete, they don't prey. As to libertarianism, I essentially agree. I wasn't trying to separate it from Objectivism. They both share common ground on politics and many ethical issues. My point was that the current libertarian movement basically started from the objectivist groups of the 60s. You also said you disagree with my statement: "Again, anyone who follows individualism to the degree that they are hurting others is following the Nietzche model for individualism, not Rands." and that Rand's form of individualism was hurting others through inaction. That's a dangerous contradiction you accept. First off, how do you define "inaction hurting others." If you mean the government not passing welfare legislation to help the poor, I think that kind of inaction is appropriate. I believe, welfare, while well-intentioned, ultimately is destructive and hurts those it intends to help. Now if you mean not helping someone who is say, being mugged, that inaction is not supported by Objectivism. Rand's philosophy understands and appreciates the value of human life and wouldn't be in conflict with helping someone being physically attacked. Maintaining a civilized society can be categorized as being in an objectivists' self-interest. Of course, that help can take different forms, whether it is physically preventing the attack or just alerting the police. It's an individual decision on the appropriate form of help. For instance, I recently came across a man who was laying unconcious in the street. While I didn't physically pick him up and take him to the hospital, I did ask a local store owner to call the police, which he did. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mpk@bdi-ae.com (Michael P Kane) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:11:44 -0500 Subject: Free(will)-loader I remember reading a couple of weeks ago the numerous posts bemoaning local radio stations that seem to limit Rush in their daily programs. I was pleasantly surprised by our local station here in Pensacola, TK101. Last evening at 6:00 they had this call-in "Free-loader" contest to win a CD and some Ice Pilots (East Coast Hockey League) trading cards. To their credit, they played "Distant Early Warning," "Xanadu" and "Show Don't Tell." Not easily identifiable by the fickle "Tom Sawyer-esque" Rush fan. I tried to get through but without success. Some stoner-sounding dude won. So there are in fact some radio-types who appreciate "the three travelers, men of Willowdale," emerging from the shadows of the room of archived CDs. Nice job, TK101. I was impressed by the relative obscurity of your choices last evening. MK "There's no swimming in the heavy water, no singing in the acid rain. . .Red Alert. . ." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Shawn_Cook@suffolk.alliedcolloids.com (Shawn Cook) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:40:25 -0400 Subject: KY and Rush To whomever posted that whole thing about Kentucky Rush thingy: In your subject line, it is probably less misleading if you spell out Kentucky instead of using its postal abbreviation. You got my hopes up and then -- "Oh, it's just about Kentucky!" -Shawn ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "matthew alexander majewski" <majewski@mailcity.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:36:33 -0700 Subject: New Live Disc(s) I agree completely with 'sberrett' on the issue of the third live disc. Gimme the Hemispheres tour any day over AFWTK tour. Having a live version of Hemispheres would be a dream come true. BUt of course I will be happy with any release from the boys. Later, Matt Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Garrett <garrett1@MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:29:32 -0700 Subject: Alex Van Halen >Maybe so but Alex still sucks. With the exception of "Hot for Teacher" (which >the stiff probably tracked) name a tune that requires a decent amount of skill >on the kit to play. "Girl Gone Bad" C ============================================================================ | Chris Garrett | | | 24-218B | "If we knew what it was we were | | MIT Nuclear Engineering Department | doing, it would not be called | | 77 Massachusetts Avenue | research, would it?" | | Cambridge, MA 02139 | | | Tel: (617) 253-2831 | - Albert Einstein | =========================================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Whiteman@appliedreasoning.com (David Whiteman) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:44:52 -0400 Subject: Cover of 2112: Overture by Grammatrain Drummer Paul Roraback, drummer for the band Grammatrain, has put together a cover of 2112: Overture for a miscellaneous tribute album. Here is a sound clip from it in wav and real audio formats: http://www.crosswinds.net/kansas-city-mo/~jbb/hm/2112over.ra http://www.crosswinds.net/kansas-city-mo/~jbb/hm/2112over.wav Enjoy, David - *********************************************************************** David Whiteman Applied Reasoning Warning: Contains Aspartame 111 Corning Road, Suite 220 whiteman at AppliedReasoning.com Cary, NC 27511-9231 ICQ# 12178974 919-851-7677 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3261 http://www.AppliedReasoning.com *********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- From: DblAgentX1@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:39:17 EDT Subject: Temples of Syrinx A couple of us Rush fans have a nightly chat called "Temples Of Syrinx" on AOL. One of the things we ask new people who come into the room is..."What's your Lerxst solo," so out of curiosity I'm asking you fellow TNMS'ers What is your favorite Lerxst solo? I'll start, mine are "Between the Wheel's," and "Turn The Page". Any others. The Snowdog "I don't ask for much, I really don't. I just want him to put the seat down. What do you mean you don't ask for much? You ask for everything" -Charlene & Esther ---------------------------------------------------------- From: David Huart <dhuart@SINCLAIR.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:48:18 -0400 Subject: another RUSH inpired musician dies Hey Rushdom. I too remember the awesome light extravaganza put on by Triumph. I took a friend to see them for the "Never Surrender" tour. Both she and I were extremely impressed by the green lasers. Especially when they played "World of Fantasy". They bounced one laser each off two suspended mirror balls. This effect combined with smoke produced the most spectacular effect I've experienced at any concert and I'll never forget it. It was like the air came alive around us. Millions of tiny points of light leapt and danced around the floor and everyone on it. It was wild. For the entire duration of that song, I stood mezmerized as creatures of light, and seeming intelligence played and cavorted all around me. You could just about reach out and catch one or two of them. The three dimensional effect was thrilling! Thanks for letting trip down memory lane! Rush content ; Red Barchetta is one the radio right now. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- From: DrumSci@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:56:32 EDT Subject: Re: Stop your whining and the Bman Just a quick thought on the Bman's recent e-mail... I must admit, he's right on a few things. There is way too much complaining in TNMS. Hey, I thought this was supposed to be fun!? There's also too much rumor and unfounded info. Find out how "factual" it is before you post it. This is how the "Neil has cancer" type things get started. If you subscribe to TNMS, then we know RUSH is one of your fave bands. That's cool, but stop cutting down other bands and music styles. Just because somebody likes something you don't doesn't make "them" bad or a moron. Again, let's have some fun! There's room enough for all bands and music styles on this planet. It's not the fans fault that Rush isn't promoted right/enough, or that they don't sell out all their shows. Times have changed. People have more demands on their time & money. They can still be a fan even if they can't go to the show! There's no such thing as a "true" fan - you're either a fan or not. So let's start putting a bit more positive postings on TNMS. It's a place to CELEBRATE Rush and, yes, us - the fans. I look forward to reading it as a break from my day, but when it's all griping and whining....I'd rather hit delete. Now for the Bman. It's amazing how he can cut down others while holding himself high, while at the same time he stoops down to the level he's complaining about by calling this "The National Midnight Slander!" How can one respect anything he says when he has different standards for himself and others? Bman, get real. An apology to all those you degraded is in order! You need to live by your own standards. We're all Rush fans here, so there's no need to fight among ourselves. That's been building up for a while and the Bman's post set it off. Enough of that, let's have some fun. I think I put on some Rush (it always makes my day!). Merci, Michael Bettine ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mrfranklin@mail.hac.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bitching on TNMS??? Regard the B-man's latest diatribe and others... I am always puzzled when someone comes on and says stuff like "everyone on this list is always bitching about the band, or saying this album sucked...blah blah blah." I just don't see it. The posts in this forum are overwhelmingly positive. Even a post like "I think TFE is their worst effort to date!" means that the person listened to it (probably numerous times) and is familiar with all their other work. And a post like "Alex's playing has really gone downhill" just means that that person liked the guitar in the older albums. Let's face it, folks. Most people in this world really aren't that into music in general. Most that are really don't have a favorite group. Those that do really aren't so fanatical that they'd belong to an internet newsgroup to read 50Kb worth of stuff about the band every day. So it's safe to say that even if you perceive somebody to say something negative about Rush in TNMS, they are still one of their most fanatical fans. >>> Atlantic album radio edit:Animate-running time 5:50 Release date:September 22,1998 <<< Cool! Nice birthday present! (10 bonus points if anyone can tell me what two famous (semi-Rush related) literary characters have the same birthday?) Ryan, lmao! great quiz! COP42194, I agree totally! Give me Galaga and MsPacMan anyday! Fav. TV show: Chicago Hope Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mcgrath patrick byrn <z957673@oats.farm.niu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Question (fwd) There was a cd that was listed on here a few days ago that had a remix of Tom Sawyer by a dj on it. What was the name of that soundtract? Please help out. pmcgrath@niu.edu Thanks 1001001sos2112t4e I got no time for living, yeah, I'm working all the time It seems to me I could live my life a lot better than I think I am I guess that's why they call me, they call me the Working Man. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Walcheske <rwalch@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:23:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: 06/18/98 - The National Midnight Star #2055 To Douglas Maher: About your opinions about the Counterparts and Test For Echo Tours, yes, there has been a sharp decline in the number of people in attendance during those tours. I was fortunate enough to see them on both legs of the T4E tour when they were in Milwaukee---on the first leg, they were playing the Bradley Center, and they barely filled the venue, but there was a surprising change on the second leg of the tour.....they played the Marcus Ampitheatre and damn near sold out the the place!! And I was happy to find some Gen-X teenagers, who NEVER saw a Rush show sitting behind me ranting and raving after the show. So don't give up Doug, there are still a few new fans that Rush picks up after every show. Take care, Robert Walcheske rwalch@execpc.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:01:35 -0500 Subject: 'Classic' arcade games... Okay, so I'm only 18, but I *am* old enough to remember the classics, like Pac-Man, TRON (anyone else remember that?)...just the basics. (Okay...so about a step up from the basics. Frogger (the original, not this new 3D crap they keep crankin' out...), Ms. Pac-Man (anyone remember the Pac-Man Saturday morning cartoon?), Pole Position...all that stuff.) Sure, I'm up for Duke Nukem 3D or MechWarrior2 or War Craft or stuff like that, but it's hard for me to find somethin' better than a good ol' game of Pole Position (that was always my favorite...might have had somethin' to do with the cartoon... ;) ). And *not* the PC versions of these games, either. It's just not the same (although it's considerably cheaper for those of us who were never very good at the games... ;) ) Ryan/Stimpy "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ----------------------------------------------------------
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