The National Midnight Star #789

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 21:35:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9310210135.AA06848@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 10/20/93 - The National Midnight Star #789
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Deja vu/reviews Like the liner more than the CD CounterCrap GIFTS Detroit Free Press review Sounds like Queensryche Harvard Lampoon Photos Counterparts and other things.... Sapping CP What's limited about limited? UK Record shops CP in UK RE: Big Money those darn 1's and 0's Co-writen lyrics Leave that Thing Alone CP What Else? U2, Selling Out and others Ramblings on CounterParts Reactions to CP, binary, erm, and stuff CP disc problems Comments on Cp (As if we haven't seen enough...) Wanted -- Neil Peart-like drummer binary cp, of course Album Inlay CTTC (none) Between Sun & Moon FlounderedCarps My $.02 Geddy Lee and Roger Daltrey ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Oct 93 21:18:45 EDT From: Joe Marrone <76635.3172@CompuServe.COM> Subject: CP review: "Entertainment Weekly " Wow, Rush makes it to print! That is a feat in iteself considering they are largely ignored by the press.... Anyway, Entertainment Weekly (October 22, 1993, page 74) has a blurb about Counterparts in their "This week in pop/rock music" section: "RUSH COUNTERPARTS (Atlantic) Everyone from Living Colour to Primus has cited Rush as a major influence. All the name-dropping seems to have persuaded these '70s survivors to listen to what progressive metal bands are doing in the '90s. "Counterparts" is their leanest, tightest effort in ages (in other words, marginally less boring than Rush's norm), and some may find it heartening that Rush is in touch with the times -- "Nobody's Hero makes references to AIDS, and "Double Agent" quotes hardcore heroes Fugazi (although probably unintentionally). But too much of it sounds like the side of '70s art rock better left forgotten. Written by TS" Score: B- Hmm, a B-? Someone else wrote this and it certainly does NOT reflect my opinion of Rush or Counterparts. So, no flames, please. But tell me, who the heck is Fugazi and what is this so-called hidden reference on 'Double-Agent' all about? **************************************************************** " ...Begin the day with a friendly voice A companion unobtrusive Plays that song that's so elusive And the magic music makes your morning mood..." - The Spirit of Radio ***************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 22:27:34 EDT From: Doug Adams <DHADAM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> Subject: Neil as interviewER on MuchMusic Based on a post in today's NMS, Neil will be interviewing a political candidate on MuchMusic this Friday?! Anyone who will be taping this, please e-mail me, as I would very much like a copy. Muchas gracias. DOUG ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 22:28:09 EDT From: JAMES T. WILSON <jtw@mc3b2.bloomu.edu> Subject: Criticisms about criticisms! Hello fellow MNS'ers................... Let me just say that I am a HUGE Rushfan (TM), and I was giddy as Hell when I finally got a chance to listen to all of _Counterparts_. At first listen I wondered if this was really Rush, of if I got the wrong CD, but after many (MANY) replays.......I think it's a pretty impressive and refreshing change in their musical style.......but I'm not going to give my critique, I just wanted to comment on some people's posts recently about the new album..... 1. To all of those people who think that Neil's drumming is "lazy" or "lacking" on this album ------- Neil Peart has proven himself a zillion times over.......if he wants to play a simple 4/4 beat thru every song or just play a kazoo, I say great!!!!!!! Bottom line------The man is a God-----he can do whatever he feels is right! 2. To all of those people who think that Neil's lyrics are "lacking" or "too simple" I think it's refreshing to have some straight forward lyrics.....I feel as though I've touched him on a sort of personal level after hearing about his gay friend who had died (Nobody's Hero). And I have no problem whatsoever with those lyrics or any others!!! 3. To all of those people who are dissapointed with the album-------- You are the same people who have been dissapointed with Rush since they released _Moving Pictures_. They are *never* going to do another 2112 or _MP_. Their sound has been constantly changing over the last few years, and I think that's what makes them the best band in the universe....no two Rush is the same!!!!!!! Well, that's it IMHO...........no flames, please........comments? thoughts??? email :jtw@jupiter.bloomu.edu "My Counterpart -- my precious heart" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: new pictures! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 22:53:16 -0500 (EDT) How about getting some new gifs from CP? That would be cool! I would like to see one of the boys sitting at the table from the cd jacket. Does anyone know where I can get some Dream Theater images or words? (no pun intended! :) ) I big gif of the I&W album cover would make a great background for my SGI!! Jason Hartman ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Oct 93 21:50:09 EDT From: "Haplo Peart \"RushFan(Tm)" <71603.3600@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Thoughts on counterparts Hy RushFans(Tm), Ya know I had to say something today, Happy Tunesday all, Was: 1. HYF 2. MP 3. 2112 Now: 1. MP 2. CP 3. HYF 4. 2112 My favorites so far only 12 listens so far: no special order: Nobody's hero Stick it out Everyday people(I think this might have been the rumored "Lucy and Desi") Leave that Thing Alone(Ganster of Boats? Part ???) Latta, Haplopeart Only 2 years until the new album!!!!!!!!!! :^> ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 23:51:30 -0400 From: ba080@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim B. Stevenson) Subject: Cp, of course Hiyas IMO: Counterparts is pretty damn good! The only songs I'm not too big on are Alien Shore and Leave That Thing Alone. I'm sure they'll eventually grow on me, but...AS just doesn't sound "right" to me. My major disappointment is LTTA...IMO, it sucks. All of the boyz' previous instrumentals have rocked (even WMT), but this one was too slow/laid back for my tastes. I thought they packaged the wrong CD when I heard the beginning of Animate...EXACTLY the same as that Pearl Jam song (I'm too tired to remember the name...). In fact, a lot of that song sounds Pearl Jamish (Jamish?!). Cp has a funkier beat to it, overall - except for Stick it Out and Nobody's Hero. The latter gave me chills & almost brought me to tears when I first heard it ('specially the orchestration!) That song is AWESOME!!! In parting: Anyone know what is said just before Alien Shore begins? Sounds like something out of Street Fighter 2 or something :) Only about 2 more years 'til Rush's NEW ALBUM!!! <grin> -Jim -- ba080@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | SUPPORT THE 1ST | __ __ Jim "SnowDog" Stevenson | AMENDMENT!!!!!! | / `-' / RUSH ,, "Pear pimples for hairy fishnuts!" | CENSORSHIP JUST | |[====||||||||||||[::} -Opus the Penguin '83- | PLAIN SUCKS!!!! | \__.-._\ RULES `` ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: No need for further discussion! Ok, you people who are listing all your favorite albums. When are you going to realize that A Farewell To Kings is the all time classic greatest rock album in the history of recorded music? (Except maybe that Joey Lawrence tour de force. . .) Aaron P.S. Ooh, I can almost smell the blood bouncing on the Boston Garden ice from here in Miami. . . ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 22:58:59 CDT From: Tracey <TMCCART3@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Subject: Nobody's Hero I'm among those who needed a little time to get used to "Nobody's Hero." I think I have written before that it's great to see Peart dealing with some fairly touchy subjects, but he dealt with this one a little more clumsily than I would have liked. I guess I prefer something a little more subtle... As for the person who thought "sex is not a job description" is pretty sucky, I did too until I realized that Peart was talking about *gender*, not the sex act. Overall, the album is interesting in its atypical (for Rush, anyway) approaches to male/female (well, and male/male, I s'pose) relations. It has the most overtly "love" songs I've ever heard from Rush, and it's interesting to see how Peart handles them. Sounds like he might be dating again or something... Tracey P.S. Daniel Strickland, sorry I missed you at Turtles -- I looked for you, but all the guys I saw there were buying Pearl Jam and drooling over the Beavis and Butthead calendar. (I, on the other hand, coveted the Ren & Stimpy Christmas Album): ) "ah ah ah" -- Lee ---------------------------------------------------------- From: RayTrace@cup.portal.com Subject: It's NOT a pentagram! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:09:33 PDT That thing on the back of the cover is NOT a pentagram. But if you take a psychology course or look in a psych book you'll see some VERY similar. It's a perceptual illusion. You can see it as three angles and 3 pac-men or as a solid triangle placed over an outline of a triangle and 3 circles. And I'd definatly say that's it source and not some satanic symbol! Anyway, I'd just like to say after listening to this album for 6 hours CONSTANTLY -- IT'S GREAT!! I really can'y complain about any song! But if I had to pick a favorite I'd have to say Between Sun & Moon. After hearing stories about people going to record stores and some of the anoying things surrounding their purchase of this fine album, my CD store is no different! I got there around 10 this morning and they had 1 copy!! And it was stuck in the middle of the rest of their Rush albums (which may I add don't even have their own section and are in with all the "R"'s). So as I paid for it I asked them what the deal was and they said they didn t't expect it to be very popular!!! Anyway, I love the inside cover of this one! Has anyone been able to make any sense of those 1's and 0's? I tried looking for a repeating pattern to see if it just repeated something over and over (NOPE!). It really doesn't look like it can be anything in ASCII. But the 3 lines are identical, so only one of them need to be decoded. Well, I'm sure someone will figure ou what it is, if it really is something. Maybe they just want to drive someone crazy trying to figure it out! :-) About this Dubois conflict. I think the CD is more believable. Unless in the interview Neil specifically said different. Well, there you have it. My thoughts on the new album (and it's only my second post ever!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:11:29 HST From: puanani@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu (Puanani Akaka) Subject: Deja vu/reviews Brown now cows how!! It's happening again!! I forgot to mention this in my "Cp-ad on MTV tirade" yesterday, but, I had the strangest experience when watching it. At the end of the ad, they showed the album cover, and I freaked out. I swear, by Alex's guitar picks and Neil's drumsticks, *I HAVE SEEN THAT COVER BEFORE*. I *swear* to you, by all that is Rush, I have seen it before! I know I have. The nut on the top, with the bolt below it, the *dots*, there's something about those damn *dots*!, and the *WAY* it's drawn -- AHH! I have seen it before! I need to consult all of your collective knowledges (<-- it's a new word..) about this -- is there any album out there, *any* album, by *any* artist that resembles the Cp cover, IN ANY WAY?? I can't stand it, this is driving me crazy. I *hate* when this happens... And for all those who do NOT like Cp -- I'm actually quite glad. For myself, I absolutely *LOVE* this album, my fave since GUP, but I have to say that I'm glad there's some people that *don't* like it. I know that sounds weird, but it's actually quite refreshing to hear differing opinions. I really have to agree with rush-mgr on this one. Not that I want everyone to go out of their way to *hate* it :-) but I'd really like to hear why people don't like it, or do, for that matter. We're not all *required* to worship every meticulous note they lay down -- you don't like, you don't like it. Cool. Makes for nice discussion. So for all those who don't like it -- SPEAK UP!! :-) :-) Ho-moooo!! puanani ---------------------------------------------------------- From: sffrank@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 23:50:44 EDT Subject: Like the liner more than the CD Hmmmm It's really hard to say whether or not I really like this album. For one, everytime Rush has come out with a new album, it takes about 3-6 months for me to really begin to like it (Presto took almost a year). So I can't really tell if I like it or not yet, but compared to other new releases I've picked up, it's not grabbing me like say 'Signals' or 'Hold Your Fire'. First impression of the CD is that it feels cluttered. There is too much going on, especially in 'Stick it Out'. It's definitely a harder album than others, but it also sounds a little dirty (quality wise). But the best part so far is the Liner notes. I'm sure each of those images has some kind of meaning. And it looks like they are pulling bits from previous albums. Either with phrases or symbols, or even pictures. Someone has to translate the binary code. For example, I noticed the Rock, Scissors, Paper theme from Presto. But it seems that in the listing of famous trios they forgot one Lifeson, Lee, and Peart. You know, I like the song 'Nobody's Hero' but I think the lyrics are kind of sappy. True there is a point to the song and I respect the group for it's effort, but it seems about as out of place as 'Red Tide'. But those are my thoughts on the album, I'll try to say something more after a week or so. Probably just has to grow on me. And although some people are complaining because of the record stores not having Rush right up front, or the release being overshadowed my Pearl Jam, I have to say that at least I knew an album was due, not even from reading NMS. Seems to me that there is a new album out every Fall in two year intervals. As for Pearl Jam, I'm kind of upset that some people on NMS choose to ridicule the band and the type of person who listens to PJ. True they are not in the same vein as Rush, but I also enjoy their music very much, and I didn't think that I ever would. Just happened to catch them on Unplugged one day and was impressed by the entire group. But at least there is new Rush, and that means a new tour. I can't wait. SF Frank 'But that's not the shape of my heart' ---------------------------------------------------------- From: The PUNISHER - Judge; Jury; Executioner <kaseyu@acad.stedwards.edu> Subject: CounterCrap Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 23:35:37 CDT (Asbestos underwear on) I got my hands on CounterParts (parts...is parts)..and I thought I was listening to INXS...alleviate, dessicate.... Every other song is so trivial, I am more ashamed than the "Get Busy" on RTB! The music is bad (though the instrumental kicks ass), and the words so predictable that I could have written them. Too bad, I have a new job, wife, car and new what was to be a great album. It was a waste of money... Sorry if you guys don't agree, but this is how I see it. (Of course, you realize that this'll probably be their biggest album ever..;)) Kasey a/k/a The Punisher -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \_______\ /_______/ The PUNISHER - The Guilty Will Be Punished (aut inveniam viam aut faciam) /||\ kaseyu@acad.stedwards.edu /_||_\ punisher@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu at080@cleveland.freenet.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:35:51 HST From: puanani@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu (Puanani Akaka) Subject: GIFTS Cows how now brown!! [tune in next week when the amazing "Deja-vu Puanani" will know what Neil will put in his sandwich for lunch a week before he does!] :-) I really like the ideas everyone's been writing in. KEEP THEM COMING!! I really, seriously want to make this a serious and dedicated effort. I don't intend to let this die off. I mean that. This is something from ALL of us, whether you post in every other day or simply read it when you get the chance. IF YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THIS DIGEST YOU HAVE EQUAL INPUT INTO THIS. I want to give everyone an equal stab at this, so if you've got ideas, SEND THEM IN!! The rush-mgr and I (I'll get back to you on this, rush-mgr) are going to set up a file, possibly on gopher, with all the ideas/support offerings people have made, so they can be accessed by everyone (as well as the convenience of having them all in one place.) So hopefully, that'll be set up soon -- as soon as I get my rear-end in gear... Also, from the responses so far, it seems the 3 piece somethingorother is a rather popular idea, coming across in many different forms. Great. Maybe we could enhance that idea. But keep thinking about it -- they all sound great! And on that same note (sorry for the length of this), I got another idea. In keeping with the 3-piece idea, we could have a painting-like-thing in three pieces, one piece for each member -- but in abstract form, kinda like the GUP cover with some abstract concept of each member on the panels. BUT, it's done in such a way that you can hang them ANY WAY YOU WANT. In other words, they can either hang them separately at their houses, or all togther in the Anthem office. Not only that, but they can be hung in ANY CONFIGURATION. NO UP OR DOWN. So, they can by hung: [][][] or <><><> or <><> or [][] or [][] or <> <> [] [] <> <> or however they want it. You know what I mean? And they can change the configuration every week, if they wanted. Sort-of like an abstract representation of their music -- many different ways of looking at it, many different interpretations. And abstract so that there's always something different to find in it, always somethig new to explore. LIke their music. Maybe we can come up with concept, then have Hugh Syme paint it for us. I dunno. anyway, that's what I came up with. Think about your ideas! And SEND THEM IN! It will be done! Ho-hoo! puanani ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Oct 93 00:54:13 EDT From: Bruce Holtgren <70724.1622@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Detroit Free Press review >From the Knight-Ridder/Tribune News Service wire, 10/19/93: By Gary Graff Detroit Free Press COUNTERPARTS Rush (Anthem/Atlantic): Still tromping through the territories after 19 years and as many albums, Rush endures. What's more, "Counterparts" will probably give Pearl Jam's new album, which also comes out this week, a battle for the top of the charts. Why? Of all the Led Zeppelin wannabes, Rush has been the most successful in establishing itself as a rock 'n' roll rite of passage. It's the kind of group older brothers and sisters pass to their younger siblings, and a new generation of fans seems positioned to tap into each new release. The appeal: flashing instrumental chops, hummable choruses, and cosmic-minded lyrics whose depth (as in "it's deep, maaaan") is more affected than truly intellectual. There's an abundance of those elements on "Counterparts," though there are also a few twists in the blueprint. Singer/bassist Geddy Lee makes minimal use of keyboards this time out, resulting in cleaner guitar-bass-drums arrangements; it rocks a touch harder than Rush's last couple of albums, but not with the wallop of the trio's early '70s records. Rush can still succumb to excess - check out the almost comically cluttered "Double Agent" - but it's largely held in check. That means "Counterparts" is of a piece with the rest of the Rush works: essential for the faithful, adequate for the neophyte and acceptable, if interchangeable, for the merely curious. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 00:50:44 CDT From: bgc1@cec.wustl.edu (Brian Glenn Carlson) Subject: Sounds like Queensryche Maybe I am the only one who thinks this, but the beginning of Cut to the Chase reminds me a _whole_ lot of Suite Sister Mary by Queensryche. Just wondering if anyone else agrees with this sentiment. I may be wrong, but that was my first reaction when listening to the song. Also, I would like to know if anyone in the St. Louis area heard the Rush that they played from 3:00 to 4:00 am Tuesday on KSHE. They had a trivia question about the Harvard Lampoon at approx. 1:00 am and then said that they would be taking requests for the 3:00 hour. Apparently, they were flooded with calls because I couldn't get through and they soon said to stop calling. Anyway, I couldn't help but think that maybe some of y'all from TNMS were the ones who were hogging the lines. Did anyone hear this and get through? -Brian G. Carlson ---------------------------------------------------------- From: redpaco@acs.bu.edu (Jennifer Feinman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 03:03:46 -0400 Subject: Harvard Lampoon Photos Hey everyone, Thanks for the interest in reprints of my pictures. Actually, on the inside of the new albun, the shot of the guys in tuxedos is from the Lampoon--evidently a private part of the ceremony... ANYWAY< for anyone interested in those reprints--as well as anyone who has already e-mailed me, PLEASE!! NO MORE MAIL!! If you heard from me already, you know I'm going crazy with classes and (sorority) rush right now--as soon as I can get prices, I will post to the NMS, and then you can all get in touch again. Sorry if this comes across as rude, but I have been completely swamped, and I haven't had time to respond to everyone as fast as I would have liked. I figured this would be the best way to let you know I WILL get reprints, but give me a few days to collect myself! Thanks so so much. jennifer ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 03:04:56 EDT From: Phillip Carter <carter@phoenix.cs.uga.edu> Subject: Counterparts and other things.... Hi all. 1) To the Vortex: Yes, I think Beavis and Butthead are unsuitable for kids. They're designed for college kids like me (and you? don't know how old you are. :) ) That's why they're being moved to 10:30 and 11:00 pm I think. 2) Got _Counterparts_ the instant I could get my hands on it and listened to it nonstop for four hours. Overall impressions? EXCELLENT!!! I LOVE THIS ALBUM!!!! 3) To all those who've requested a tape of Geddy singing the Canadian National Anthem from me, since I had a copy, I have a tale of woe for you. *sigh* My younger brother got into my tape collection and took one of the unlabeled ones (even though he knew it was mine) for his own use. Guess what was on that tape? Three guesses and the first two don't count. So....no more All-Star game, and no more Ged singing the National Anthem. I'm terribly sorry, for those of you who wanted a copy. Flames to me will be almost welcomed, I sort of asked for it by posting about the tape before I had actually located the thing. Once again, I'm sorry for the pain I've caused you all. :( :( Anyway, all you Rushheads (tm) out there, get out there and find your Counterparts! Laters... Phil Carter -- carter@phoenix.cs.uga.edu "And then God created the world...and he said, 'This is good.' And then he created man...and he said, 'I f*cked up.'" -- Don Dokken ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 00:16:49 PDT From: heshman@Csa1.LBL.Gov (Mahesh Chandramouli) Subject: Sapping CP Now that have all had a chance to enjoy the new album...well most us anyway, I would like to give my $.02 about **Cold Fire** and **Speed of Love** Many moons ago (and suns of course as well ! ) I submitted a long and rather personal post to TNMS in which I detailed how every album by boys had a song or two that for me stood out over all the others. The songs and albums will always be associated with the memories and events of those times. When I play those songs the associated feelings invariably resurface. They are the sounds to my afterimages if you will. When RTB came out, I was just getting into a relationship so *Ghost of a Chance* really hit me hard. This relationship through much hard work, perserverence and delicate negotiations on both sides is about evolve into a marriage. I have found my counterpart so to speak. Not surprisingly, *Cold Fire* and **Speed of Love** strike me on a different level than the other songs. These songs are not about time signatures, vocal melodies, or key changes (or even parakeets). They, impact at much deeper levels and manage to connect with primitive emotions. It looks like I've found the music for the memories I am now making and it is my wish that you can find the same. Yipeeee !!!!!! Mahesh ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:21:41 GMT From: ipelond!andrew Subject: What's limited about limited? Hi Rushies picked up CP in HMV on Monday. On the front is a sticker saying "limited edition CD pack". What's limited edition about it? There must be at least 50000 copies in the UK alone, not to mention the copies across the States. Does anyone really know whether this is a limited edition CD pack, and if so what's different between this and the normal packaging? Or does the packaging change after this first batch have sold out? Even if this is true, it can't be very limited! Anyway, love the albumn, especially Animate, Nobody's Hero and Cold Fire. It's amazing how many different opinions there are about whether tracks should be on the albumn or not, or whether on track is good or bad. I didn't like RTB when it first came out and didn't play it much. When all the hype started in TNMS about CP, I started playing it again, and really got into it. But CP is just cosmic, once again Rush have moved on, and it's so refreshing to hear a different sound again. Not had a great deal of tiisten to it yet, but will give it a bashing this weekend. But first impression is total addiction. Andy Gardner ---------------------------------------------------------- From: L.S.Davis@exeter.ac.uk Subject: UK Record shops Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 9:43:49 BST I went into Exeter, Devon last Friday just in case anyone had it early. Nobody did and: WH Smith didn't know about it and couldn't find it in their catalogue, Solo didn'y know about it and didn't bother to check HMV knew about it Our Price looked it up and said 18 Oct. On 18 Oct I went to WH Smith: still don't know, looked in catalogue again and then we may have it downstairs still unpacked - please try later. HMV: had it on display in New Release section and I bought it there. Question: why did the Music Week chart dated 18 Oct have the album as a new entry at number 26 on release day ???????? Lee -------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Davis, Exeter University Computer Unit email : L.S.Davis@exeter.ac.uk, LSDavis@exeter.ac.uk phone : 0392 263960 address: Computer Unit, University of Exeter, Laver Building North Park Rd., Exeter, Devon. EX4 4QE. fax : 0392 211630 -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 11:34:03 BST From: JMP17@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: CP in UK I got CP on monday 9.00am in Parrot records in Cambridge, they even had it playing in the shop! What's more I got it for 9.99 pounds rather than the normal 13.49 pounds, which seems to be the norm in Britain at the moment. Every copy I've seen in the racks in Cambridge has been the limited edition embossed case, so maybe it isn't such an exclusive limited edition? Verdict on CP, I like it! I've found that most Rush records take time to get in to, but this is good straight off! Worth the wait! STICK IT OUT! Jim P.S. I even heard Spirit of the Radio on Virgin 1215 on friday morning! Maybe the UK isn't such a Rush desert after all. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 07:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. DelBusso" <delbusso+@pitt.edu> Subject: RE: Big Money To Jason Kilarsky: I would guess that it is either something wrong with your cd or your cd player. I tried listening to both versions of The Big Money (off of PoW and Chronicles), and couldn't notice any difference. Anyway, I had a similar problem a while back: My Chronicles cd used to skip on What Your Doing about 2 minutes into the song on my old Sony cd player, but I now have a newer JVC player and it works fine. Tony ==delbusso+@pitt.edu========================================================= Anthony J. DelBusso Forbes Quad Computer Lab Assistant Supervisor 240 DLH (412)648-2348 office Computing & Information Services 1E01 FQ (412)624-7143 lab University of Pittsburgh ---------------------------------------------------------- From: gtas1@sunyit.edu (Terry Stedman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 08:16:24 -0400 Subject: those darn 1's and 0's There are 3 lines of 1's and 0's on the back of the CD booklet. The first and third rows are identical. The second row is the same as the first and third but shifted a few places. Who knows what this is supposed to be. I've also attempted at figuring out the blurb at the start of Alien Shore but to no avail. Lastly, sorry about the pentagram post. I think it was new Rush album mania or something else that made me post that. -- I ) I I <~ I_I Terry Stedman .sig copyright I \ I_I _> I I Internet: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu 1992, T. Stedman -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 07:25:04 CDT From: epyle@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Eric Pyle) Subject: Co-writen lyrics Okay, I was waiting for someone to ask this but no one has. On the interview the interviewer said that The Speed of Love was co-written with Dubois. Now, on my CD it says that Dubois helped with _Between the Sun and the Moon_ What's the deal? I think the CD is write and the interviewer was wrong. BSAM is one of my favorite songs, and I think this is the combined effort. By the way, I heard that the boyz were named the Ambassadors of Music by the Canadian government, when did this happen? PS what is the spoken, mumbled part at the beginnin of Alien Shore? "thataboroe" erIC ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Oct 93 08:31:37 EDT From: Owen.A.Gottlieb@Dartmouth.EDU (Owen A. Gottlieb) Subject: Leave that Thing Alone Counterparts is a melodic electro-audio-hallucinatory phenomenon. I love this album. So far my favorite tune is Leave that Thing Alone. The base line is brilliant. I was in the music store, buying the album and heard this song playing quietly over the store system and turned to the guy standing next to me and said: "Listen to that base line!" I think he thought that I was quite strange : ). I think this is one of the best tunes the boys have produced in years. Counterparts has an edge to it that I haven't heard in their work since Permanent Waves. Similar to the harder edge of the earliest albums. My favorite albums are Hemispheres and Presto, so my tastes run the gammit.-It's interesting though to here a harder edge return to Rush's sound. The lyrics to Nobody's Hero stand out from the rest of the album. I think this is an _important_ song. My friend commented to me last night that Rush is still growing and innovating, unlike many of the rockers still around from the sixties and seventies. It's so true. Counterparts is inspiring in its innovation. I can't wait to see Geddy running across the stage in concert playing Leave that Thing Alone. gotta get to class, just wanted to cast my vote! Owen Gottlieb -Restless Young Romantic ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Wheatley_Gregory/AIT1@horizon2.ci.in.ameritech.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 07:37:54 -0500 Subject: CP What Else? Item Subject: Message text I like many others out there was waiting impatiently for midnight Monday. The local Target Stores in Milwaukee did not have CP early. After much searching through local record stores I was able to find one that would be open late Monday and would be selling CP. Not only did I get my copy at 11:30 Monday night but it was only $11.99. I only listened to it once through that night because I had to be up by 5 a.m. I love the new music. The bass on Animate is awesome. I also love the sound of Nobody's Hero. Count me if for donating to a present to Rush. It's the least I can do for all the hours of listening enjoyment I have received from them. Can't wait for the tour. Greg ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham James Reilly <gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:21:39 BST Subject: U2, Selling Out and others JUst a few things that are not in any way a review or opinion of Counterparts (even although it is quite good - damn, my subconscious took over). Somebody mentioned that their girlfriend thought that some of the guitars on CP sounded like The Edge from U2. A friend of mine told me a couple of days ago that he'd read an interview in which Mr Edge stated that Alex Lifeson was his main inspiration. I don't have any specific references, sorry. In #785 Mr J.Screaton@sheffield.ac.uk (hi James) says >I Don't know if it is the same world wide, but the English release is >a Limited Edition with special CD packaging. ^^^^^^^ That's funny. The Scottish one is just the same :-) (grrrr) And lastly - Dundee and St Andrews had totally sold out of CP by about 4.30pm on the day of release. Not bad. (And both big chainstores had it displayed out front and were playing it over the shop system) Dylan, a rational romantic mystic cynical idealist ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Ramblings on CounterParts Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 08:51:37 -0400 From: David Arnold <davida> I had an interesting experience this morning driving in to work, playing CP on my tape deck. I then got to work and read about a dozen NMS issues from yesterday, and found: >From: Niki_Leboeuf@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Niki Leboeuf) >Ah well.. Mike S., this isn't a flame. But I just happen to be a fool for >emotional stuff. It was a good thing I was safely parked in the driveway >(as opposed to doin' 40 down Vets Blvd, of course) when "Nobody's Hero" >came on. (Yes, I'm as much a sap for sad movies, too. Sigh. What can I >say.:) And whether you like that effect or not, ya gotta admit that those >string-sounds at the end of the song achieve that effect rather well, ya >know? My interesting experience was when "Nobody's Hero" came on. I love the guitar at the beginning, so I cranked it up. I was singing along with the song when I realized my eyes were tearing up, and I couldn't get through the first chorus w/out choking up. For some reason it really got to me; probably because an ex-roommate from college had died a couple of years after I graduated of an "opportunistic illness". His family never said, but it was the first friend I had die of AIDS. I couldn't help thinking of him while the song played, and my eyes are still tearing as I type this. (BTW, he did throw some good parties.) So, you wanna talk about being a "fool for emotional stuff"? You're not alone out there! :-) (sniff) David Arnold Inet: davida@syrinx.umd.edu UUCP: uunet!syrinx.umd.edu!davida Bitnet: davida%syrinx.umd.edu@cunyvm NeXTMail: davida@anagram.umd.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 14:07:57 BST From: Russell Marks <rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk> Subject: Reactions to CP, binary, erm, and stuff Interesting to see positive and negative views on the new album. My views on it are mainly positive, although I think maybe "The Speed of Love" goes on a bit and doesn't really do much. I suppose it's nicely ambient or some such, but I'm not voting for it. I have a much higher opinion of "Between Sun and Moon" (a cheerful Rush song? how'd that get through the net?), "Cut to the Chase", and basically all the others too. Hmm. Alex seems less Concerned about his Omega(tm), doesn't he? And all that stuff in the inlay! Everything *including* the kitchen sink! I wish Atlan had printed it at a higher resolution, though, and with better dithering. Just to be incredibly pointless for a moment, that binary is a little unusual, isn't it? The 2nd line is bit shifted to the left, the 3rd line is the same as the 1st, and the 1st is this (on the tape, anyway): 0101001010101101001101011010100101011001011... (repeats) I was surprised to note the number of digits - until I saw that there's 43 there, not 42. (sigh) Anyone have any idea what it means? Does it really mean "get a life you sad computer geeks"? Even if it's just random, I want to contrive some useless meaning... it's just no fun otherwise, is it? :) Staying with pointlessness; I reckon the bit *before* Alien Shore starts (not the voices, this is the quiet bit before the start) is probably someone going "I've had about alllllll I can take" cut off just after the "I". But it's pretty tricky to tell. Anyhow, all in all, I rate CP in my top 5, maybe below PoW and Hemispheres. Pretty good stuff. Animated be, -Rus. .-- --- .-- -- --- .-. ... . - .... .- - .. ... -. - -.-- -.-- --.. :-) russell marks : rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk : speak softly and carry a +6 kitten "It's 5:50 a.m., do you know where your stack pointer is?" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 8:46:32 -0500 (CDT) From: The Romster <GLO92420@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU> Subject: CP disc problems Is it just my copy of CP or do all discs have a problem with skipping in the last 5 seconds of the last song? Was I too anxious to get in the player and accidentally smudged the disc? inaadv Thansk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 09:55:42 -0400 From: rarcuri@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Russ Arcuri) Subject: Comments on Cp (As if we haven't seen enough...) Hello all, Some notes about the new album: 1. "Leave That Thing Alone!" is not listed as part anything in the "Gangster of Boats" trilogy. This would leave one to believe that "Where's My Thing's" reference as part 4 in the trilogy was simply a joke. Furthermore, those people who have been clinging to the "Part 4" argument as proof that there will have to be at least three more post-RTB albums will probably be a little disheartened that there is no longer any cohesive proof of this. Personally, I wish LTTA _was_ part 3, which would have almost guaranteed plans for another couple of albums. Then again, besides Douglas Adams' fans, who's ever heard of a four-part trilogy? 2. "Nobody's Hero" is one of the finest rush songs I have heard in a long time. I like the fact that Neil had the balls to write it, and that Geddy has the balls to sing it. I have a feeling that some of those who don't like it feel that way because they don't agree politically with the ideas presented in the song. And to them, I say: Who cares? You don't have to listen to the song. Geddy, Alex, and Neil won't be offended. You can have your opinions and I can have mine. Now for my reasons for liking the song. One of the big ones is the orchestral background. It gives real texture to the song. I liked it when they did this for "The Manhattan Project" and I like it here too. I only wish the orchestra was a little more forward in the mix... I don't think it would have diminished the guitar or bass if the orchestra was a bit louder. I noticed in the liner notes that Michael Kamen conducted... Isn't he the same guy that conducted the orchestra when Aerosmith did one of their tunes for the MTV video music awards a couple years ago? 3. I don't think there's a weak song on the album. On many of Rush's other albums, there was always a song or two that didn't really strike me. I thought that "Stick It Out" would be the one on this album, but it's really kind of grown on me. 4. Finally, I just wanted to make a request of all you NMSers out there. There already have been a whole lot of "reviews" of Cp in the digest, and I'm sure there will be a lot more. Opinions will vary from "I hated this album" to "It's the greatest musical work in the history of the Western World." I'm sure that all opinions are welcome... but I am requesting that people refrain from personal attacks based on their opinions. In other words, if I like the album, and you don't, please don't tell me I'm stupid and obviously have no musical taste. In return, I promise not to tell anyone that you are a musical ignoramus who wouldn't know the difference between a good album and a Madonna dance mix. :-) [ How right you are, everyone is entitled to their own opinin. I don't want to have to start removing posts because of personal attacks... : rush-mgr ] Russ Arcuri rarcuri@hamilton.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 09:44:27 EDT From: flhodge@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Wanted -- Neil Peart-like drummer Hello, My band is in need of a talented, Neil Peart influenced drummer to help us glue together our MuchRush-influenced music. We reside in Danbury, CT (in western CT) so obviously you must live close enough that you wouldn't mind the commute. The music is heavy, progressive, and fusion-ish. Your tastes should include things like Rush, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, all jazz, and a tolerance for metal, and you should desire to play live, play live, play live. We have nearly twenty original songs together, and the guitarist is unstoppable when it comes to writing more. We have a bassist (me) and a singer, but just need that final part of the rhythm section. We only been together a few months, yet we've already played CBGB's in Manhattan, have offers to play a few other NYC places, and an offer to do a live-to-DAT recording session in CT. Obviously, please reply directly to me via: flhodge@vnet.ibm.com OR 203-262-4330 (wk) 203-744-6134 (hm) Thanks, and sorry if there's not enough Rush content here! Lee Hodge ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 10:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Stef Buttles <sbuttles@lemming.uvm.edu> Subject: binary I may be wrong, but I don't think (at this time) that the 1's and 0's are a message. Not that I will quit looking, but conciter this: x x x x x x xx x xx x xx x x x x xx x xx x x x x x xx xx x x x x x xx x xx x xx x x x x xx x xx x x x x x xx x x x x x x x xx x xx x xx x x x x xx x xx x x x x x xx xx That is the pattern they form when the 1's are something, and the 0's are nothing. Since the top repeats the bottom, unless its a fraze like "one to one" it prob. is just another example of Counterparts. But, the pictures and words inside are real cool! Wayne. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 9:54:52 -0500 (CDT) From: BVC8995@SUMMA.TAMU.EDU Subject: cp, of course Howdy: Wanna keep this short and to the point, considering how long (and useless) some posts have been recently. At about 2:33 on the cp disc, on the "Mermaid of the Lunar Sea" lyric, is the line supposed to sustain on the "the" and skip over "lunar"? My disc has no "lunar" here, it's not skipping, and it sounds really strange. I seem to remember the copy on the radio special not sounding like this. Oh well, otherwise I am EXTREMELY pleased with this cd... Later, Brian V. Cox Texas A&M University "Music performed by humans?......In this day and age?.....hmmmphh!!!" -Wilde Silas Tomkyn ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian David Schiff <schiffbd@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Album Inlay Hey, just thought I would bring up something relatively obvious inside the album inlay. If you have glanced at it, maybe you have noticed the picture of the padlock, livestock, and a barrel in sequence. In other words, "lock, stock, and barrel", meaning wholly or completely. Could this be the end for the boyz? Lets hope not, but just some food for thought. See ya. Coolest new Rush quote..."priestess of the pagan-mother, ancient queen of inner-space..." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: bawest@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Brad West) Subject: CTTC Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 10:19:50 +22306512 (CDT) Let's talk about "Cut to the chase" for a second. Is it me or is anyone else just blown away at how beautiful and crystal clear this song sounds on CD? Ged's voice through most, or all, the song has a remarkable delay on it that makes him sound great. Then...move on to the up-tempo... Listen to that soothing, yet incredibly fast guitar solo! Then...when you thought you had heard all the punch you were gonna..."I'm young enough to remember..." Ged's voice is great! I love it! I haven't heard that emotion in his voice in a loooooong time. I hope you guys agree that this song is just one example of how well recorded and engineered this entire album is. The "caveman" did an excellent job. I love it. This is what Rush needed. Geddy spent half the interview talking about how the band needed to find a better production approach. Well...they've definitely got it on this record. If only beautiful songs like "Available light" and "Heresy" could have been done with this production... O well... I still love them... What you guys think bout this subject? Roll em egh!......... (And by the way... Keep us posted on how the parokeets are) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:09:32 -0400 From: ahs4@cornell.edu (Whoa Nellie, Esquire) Hello New Rush Album owners! I was just curious and thought I'd take a little survey. What's YOUR favorite new song on the album? Mail me, and I'll compile and post again on the NMS. You'll have a really good stat breakdown, but only if a lot of you post me, so do it, cuz we're only immortal for a limited time. Adam ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 09:19:21 PST From: Tom Logan <tlogan@spot.protools.com> Subject: Between Sun & Moon Halooo all you "I'm happy cause I have a new RUSH CD" RushFans Between Sun & Moon: Does anybody else think the part where Ged "ahhh yes to yes" sounds really REM'ish.... go figure !? This album is like other RUSH albums in one paticular way (IMO). The first time peeled the wrap from Cp and popped into the CD player, I sat back and listened. I was not exposed to any music from Cp prior to this. I only liked 3 songs on my first pass on the CD. This however is not unusual for me. I had the same thing happen to me with HYF & PoW. After listening to Cp again it was much better. The point is you have to listen to some songs multiple times to get the proper effect of the music/lyics. Keep on rockin' to RUSH tlogan@protools.com "I was lined up for glory but the tickets sold out in advance" -NP ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 11:20:57 -0500 From: kzinti@platte.unk.edu Subject: FlounderedCarps Ugggghhhh. Really depressed. :( Waited this long for a hopefully good album and finally got it and it is yet another restrained sounding album. :( It seemed the whole time like they were building up and getting ready to let loose and really do something kick ass and then the song was over. The only thing even halfway cool was Leave That Thing Alone.... What is it with everyone releasing stuff anymore? Joe Satriani's _The Extremist_ seemed the same way, So didn't Steve Vai's _Sex and Religion_ Everything seems to be toned down and way mellow with all the old masters... At least it wasn't as wimpy as Roll The Bones.... But I'd sure kill to hear something from the first 3 chapters of Rush again (Preferably chapter 2, but hey, anything'll work...) Well, figures... (Non-anxiously awaiting Metallica _Live From Mexico_ and Joe Satriani _Time Machine_ and whatever the hell happened to Dream Theater _Change of Seasons_) L8rz! Kzinti@Platte.UNK.edu <Ben Kimball> >.sigs suck. Just say no... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Oct 93 12:35:32 EDT From: Ian Nathan <74170.3455@CompuServe.COM> Subject: My $.02 Briefly, regarding the album: --It's different, but yet the same. --It's unfamiliar, yet recognizable. --It's everything I had hoped for, but nothing I had expected. :) Ian ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael L Sensor <sensor@lovelace.mathcs.duq.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:49:43 -0400 Subject: Geddy Lee and Roger Daltrey Did anyone else detect an ever-so-slight touch of sarcasm in Geddy's voice as he sings about Neil's personal life? ("Animate", "Nobody's Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeero", "Cold Fire", etc.) Geddy has just been initiated in the "Gee-It's-Fun-To-Sing-About-The- Lyricist's-Personal-Problems" club, started by Roger Daltrey way back when. Just a thought... --Mike *** Michael Sensor "'An it harm nobody, do as ye will" -- Wiccans Duquesne Univ. "'An it be rational, 'an it not harm yeself, 'an it not be mystical, do as ye will" -- Me School of Law -.-. --- ..- -. - . .-. .--. .- .-. - ... ... ..- Pittsburgh, PA 73 es gud luk rush cul de KD3LR sk ----------------------------------------------------------
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