The National Midnight Star #788

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Counterparts Review from Boston Globe Bravado vs. Speed of Love Counterparts Kicks Butt! criticism of CP; responses CPs lyrics are quite original. CP is dope] (none) Anybody Know what all this stuff means? Rand, Dos Passos, etc. A Counterparts Question OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Counterparts ... of course Checking on USA vs Canadian CD Critics lighten up ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) From: HARRISON@SRCL.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (Rod Harrison) Subject: Rush article from Toronto Star >From The Toronto Star, Tuesday October 19, 1993: ***************************************************************************** Gold is the color of Rush's metal by Peter Howell Toronto Star The rock drummer on the phone is talking about dual personalities, secret agents and his favorite Puccini opera - so it can't possibly be anybody else but Neil Peart of Rush. "I think there's something holistic about it all," says one of the brainiest guys of rock, who also pens the lyrics of the Canadian rock trio's songs. It sounds like something out of Wayne's World, but it's all about Counterparts, the 19th album by Canada's most successful rock band. The disc hits record stores today, shipping gold simultaneously in both Canada and the U.S. - 50,000 units here, 500,000 down there. The album has been exploding all over radio for several days, with lead single "Stick It Out" being listed in music industry journals as the second-most-added song at North American album radio stations - the highest in the band's career. Counterparts will likely hit the main Billboard album chart with similar force to 1991's Roll The Bones, which set a Canadian record by debuting in the No. 3 slot. It's sales action like that, plus the trio's unmistakable sound of Peart's drumming, Alex Lifeson's guitars and Geddy Lee's bass playing and singing, that registers most in the minds of rock fans. But the 41-year-old Peart tries hard to make his listeners think, even if he knows that Rush is appreciated more by Wayne and Garth metalheads than by serious Puccini scholars. He's got something for both types in the new song "Everyday Glory," which includes a line about a house where "nobody laughs and nobody sleeps." It works great as a rock tune - one of the best on the album - but Peart says the inspiration came from "an opera peice I've always loved, by Puccini, called 'Nessun dorma', which an Italian girl told me translates as 'nobody sleeps' ... and I thought, ah, what a beautiful phrase." Counterparts refers to a concept Peart explores on the album about the similarities and differences of many dualities in life, in particular the male/female duality, which is studied in the song "Alien Shore". Mile-a-minute talker Peart sprinkles his conversation with references to such deep-thinkers as Jung and T.S. Eliot, and he explains that another song, "Double Agent," is based on a forthcoming book by an author friend: "It's on the secret war between the CIA and the FBI." Heavy stuff for a band that can fill New York's Madison Square Gardens two nights running with devil-salute-waving rockers, as Rush did during its Roll The Bones tour in '91. "It's not preaching," says Peart, who'll be asking deep question of Liberal leader Jean Chretien Friday in a MuchMusic pre-election special. "It's just saying, 'Here's something to think about, what do you think?' I always want the invitation implicit in there." "So those people who think about such things, I think it's there, and those people who don't think about them, who does it hurt?" What people recognize and value most about Rush, Peart ventures, is the attention to detail the band, whether it's getting Peart's hi-hat to sound just right or making sure favorite artist Hugh Syme's latest cover art creation is appropriately cosmic. "Everything like that we take the time and trouble with," Peart says. "It altogether adds up to an image of quality: 'Care has been taken here.' That's the message that people receive." Rush will start touring in January, and 1994 marks 20 years Peart, Lifeson and Lee have been playing together - although Lifeson and Lee, who both turned 40 this past summer, started Rush in '69 in their Willowdale home basements with original drummer John Rutsey. "I'm still the new guy," Peart jokes. Expect something special in the new year to mark the 20th aniversary, Peart hints. "We'd like to make something of it, because I think we're probably the only band in the world with the same guys, after 20 years. I don't think there's anybody who's even close, with the same members." "I think we'll pay that due tribute." **************************************************************************** Transcribed by Rod Harrison Please be patient with any typos and I take no responsibility for mistakes. Rod Harrison (harrison@srcl.sunnybrook.utoronto.ca sysrod@srcl.sunnybrook.utoronto.ca rodney.harrison@canrem.com) Dept. Medical Physics Sunnybrook Health Science Centre University of Toronto Toronto, Ontario ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:06:35 EDT From: rsw2@Lehigh.EDU (ROB WAGNER) Subject: My thoughts Hey, Don't get me wrong, I think it was REALLY cool that the new album got digitized and we could hear it three weeks ago... >...but after I listened to it on my computer a few times, I decided it sucked and that I probably wouldn't even buy it. But the excitement of October 19th hit me, and I went and got it today... >...and this album is GREAT! I mean, I don't think it's the best stuff they've ever done, but it's a terrific album. Those .au files were so slow that the music just didn't sound right. Hearing it the way it should be is sooooo much better! Wow. I'm having a great day now! And man, I got a request for "The Trees" while doing my radio show Sunday night. And of course, I hadn't brought it to the studio...and that was the first time I ever got a request for Rush...damn! -- Rob ---------------------------------------------------------- From: LAUGHREN DENNIS P <laughren@spot.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Midnight Madness-the downs and ups Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 12:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Midnight.....I feel the rain...coming down.. I start the engine and pull out of the driveway, knowing tonight will be memorable in my scrapbook of memories from my time listening to Rush. I have just completed the next-to-last section of Atlas Shrugged, and notice my watch has stopped. I shake my wrist to start it moving again, and head toward's Boulder's 'Hill' district. As I pull in to the parking structure, I look down at my odometer. It reads 00000.0. The second time it has done this in this car's time on earth. I think some silly things like '300000 miles, 3 members of Rush'. Shaking off my absence of deep thought, I head up the street toward Albums on the Hill, which is Packed with Pearl Jammers. I am handed a number by an employee. I tell him, "But i'm here for Rush!" With a sad expression on his face, he tells me there is no way I will reach the front of the line in time to get a copy. My body slumps as I walk up the stairs to the street, where I notice another store is also premiereing (sp?) PJ. I am told "maybe", so i wait. When I arrive at the counter, I am handed a pearl Jam cd. "15.99", he says. I say, "I'm here for Rush." He studies me for a moment, reaches slowly down into the 'other' bin, and lightly slides the black and blue glittering package across the counter. Time Stands Still. True story. Hope you all feel the magic as I have. -D.L. _____ ____ rrrr u u ssss h h | | COUNTER | | r u u s h h laughren@spot | |_____________________ |----| r u u ssss hhhh .colorado.edu |~~~~~| | | | | | | || | | r u u s h h | | | | | | | | || -- | | -- r uuuu ssss h h |_____| | | | | | | || |----| | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "Where would you rather be? |_____| PARTS |____| Anywhere, anywhere but here.." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 13:44:03 -0500 From: c512052@monad.missouri.edu Subject: Don't worry, it's a short post Rushians, 1) I heard the .aulbum. 2) I heard the single on the radio. 3) I heard the interview on the 14th. 4) I have the album (courtesy midnight madness). 5) I have already learned all the lyrics. For all of you who don't like some/all of the album, I can only say: RUSH CAN DO NO WRONG Regards, David ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 15:29:54 -500 (EDT) From: "Perry R. Fatuova" <pfatuova@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: Morus Code on CP back cover Amazing just amazing...CP rules! Between Sun and Moon definately my favorate.. But anyway, there was a bunch of talk about "Remember the Dead" in the RTB tour Book in morus code. Is that Morus code on the back cover...If so what does it say. Please post translation ( if there is one) Thanks OUT -=PERRY=- ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Dream Theater video! From: mcorso@mindvox.phantom.com (Mike Corso) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 15:54:54 EDT Just a note to break up the CP overflow... The Dream Theater concert video is coming out on November 16!! It's called "Images & Words Live In Tokyo". It's going to be 90 minutes and will include footage shot by the band. Tracks include: UNDER A GLASS MOON, WAIT FOR SLEEP, SURROUNDED, THE YTSEJAM, TO LIVE FOREVER, A FORTUNE IN LIES, TAKE THE TIME, and PULL ME UNDER. Yes! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:38:12 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Wat's wid the Wal? Hi folks! This is my first post in a while, I've got a quick question and then I'll give my thoughts on the new disc. I remember people saying that Geddy used a Fender on this, but in the liner notes they thank Wal. Anybody know for sure? I haven't listened closely enough to pick out the difference yet and I'm too lazy. The one song that really hit me off CP is. . .Leave That Thing Alone! I (and others) thought that Where's My Thing sounded like it was a song that was missing the vocals, but the new one really comes across as a complete piece of music. My drummer wasn't too impressed with the drumming though, he liked it on WMT better, but LTTA is a very cool work overall. I'm in total agreement with those who wonder where the metaphors went in the lyrics! The first verse of Nobody's Hero, while not such bad song lyrics in and of themselves, is something of an extreme as far as Neil's writing goes. Way too straightforward for me though. Same with some of the other tunes, although not as much as that one verse. Does anybody else think the spoken parts of Double Agent sound a lot like Frank Zappa? That's definitely one of my favorite songs here too. Everyday Glory(I think, if it's the last song on the disc which isn't in front of me now) sounds WAY too much like old U2!!! (I am NOT a U2 fan, although I don't mind some of their older stuff. Flame if you like, but I must add that The Edge, while not a BAD player, is probably the most overrated guitarist I have ever heard!) It's an OK song though. My opinion is that this disc is much closer stylistically to Rush(the first album!) than any other that they've done. . . Kinda like if they had brought back John Rutsey to do Power Windows!!! :) To sum up, this is the first Rush album since at least Power Windows, maybe Moving Pictures, that I have at least liked every song on first listen. Two improvements I'd like to see for the next one(already???) are: A bit jazzier drumming, the drumming here is a bit too grungy-style for my taste, and also the vocals are getting a bit too grungy-whiny. I know we won't be hearing any more Anthem-style screeching, but it's certainly possible to sing in a low register without getting real whiny. (re: Jim Morrison, Fish, Corey Glover etc.) In semi-unrelated news, last night I also picked up a few other albums that may interest some of youse guys & gals: Ozric Tentacles' 1991 Strangitude, which lies somewhere between Phish and Tales From Topographic Oceans, very cool stuff! Also, if you like Metal, the new Damn The Machine and the BRAND SPANKIN' NEW METAL CHURCH (Yahoo! And I thought they were dead. . .) are both mighty tasty treats. And don't forget the new Thought Industry which comes out in one week! Party on, Aaron ASILVERM@UMIAMI P.S. Hockey Season is back. . .AND SO IS CAM NEELY!!! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! And around the league. . .Go Whalers! Go Panthers! Yay. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:38:54 -0400 (EDT) From: HARRISON@SRCL.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (Rod Harrison) Subject: Rush and politics Excuse me if this has already been brought up (I seem to be missing the last few digest - don't worry rush-mgr the problem seems to be on my end). One of the pictures in the Counterparts insert is of a Fleur-de-Lis (Quebec symbol) on top of a maple leaf (Canada symbol). Is this a comment that Quebec is part of Canada? Is Rush taking a nationalist stand? A recent article in the Toronto Star (Tues. Oct. 19) stated that on Friday there will be some sort of discussion between Neil Peart and Jean Chretien (leader of the Liberal party who will likely be the next Prime Minister of Canada starting Oct. 25) on MuchMusic. Rush is usually outspoken about social issues but to my knowledge that has never before included direct political associations/statements. For those interested I will tape this MM discussion and report any discussion with Neil Peart. Rod Harrison (harrison@srcl.sunnybrook.utoronto.ca) Sunnybrook Health Science Centre University of Toronto Toronto, Ontario ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Oct 93 15:56:53 EDT From: robert fleming <100063.2154@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Rush not to tour UK!!! Devastating news ! - I have been informed that RUSH WILL NOT BE TOURING THE UK or Europe with Counterparts. I have been told this by Bob Roper on Compuserve's Rocknet forum. I believe Bob is connected with the band through SRO. He told people on there of the band's plans to tour the US. When I asked when they would be coming to the UK he said they had no plans to because a decision has been made to only come to the UK and Europe with every 2nd album. That could mean no Rush live gigs here for another 2 or more years!!!! He said that they may change their minds if the album is hugely successful but that a change of mind was very unlikely. Ok, UK Rush fans lets unite about this! I propose to write or fax the appropriate Rush people. What I suggest is a petition to show strength of feeling. TMNS UK fans seems a good place to begin this. I am happy to coordinate this. For those who want to, please let me have your name (and address if possible, or if you don't want to give the full address then street and city etc.) together with a _short_ message or somment if you like. Either send a short message about this to TMNS or to me on compuserve as email (my ID is 100063,2154). The sooner we can get somthing decent together the better because I bet complete tour date details for the US etc have not yet been set. I will issue a similar message in Rocknet. Lets try and change this folks! Robert ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 18:04:09 -0230 (NDT) From: Darryl Coombs <dcoombs@dragger.ifmt.nf.ca> Subject: Cp. <-- That's the way I'm doin it OK, so who's going to be the first to decipher and interpret all the binary on the back of the booklet for us? Not Me! :-) The inside of the booklet is quite cool and,as expected, there are threes implied everywhere. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Midnight Insanity So I go to my local Sound Warehouse, the only place open past Midnight yesterday, and there are about 100 teenagers there. Every one of them gets the new Pearl Jam. None of them get the new Rush. I seemed to be the only person there for it! (I didn't get the Pearl Jam, I wonder if it's any good. . .) The local rock station is there doing a live feed. They start playing a bunch of Rush songs, it seemed like they were trying to see if there would be any crowd reaction. . .and there was. I started tapping my foot. :) Oh well, Aaron ASILVERM@UMIAMI P.S. Did I mention God Bourque? Joe Juneau? And of course Geoff Sanderson. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 14:16:01 PDT From: rking@scopus.com (Robyn King-Nitschke) Subject: Okay, who's confused (besides me?) This will probably be answered by the time my post makes it to TNMS, but just in case it isn't-- I be confused! On the radio special, the discussion of Neil's collaboration with Pye Dubois referred to "The Speed of Love." I don't have the interview handy right now, so I can't remember if Neil actually *said* that was the song they collaborated on, but at any rate, the album liner notes say, and I quote: Between Sun and Moon Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart and Dubois The Speed of Love Music by Lee and Lifeson/Lyrics by Peart So what gives? Did Neil and Pye collaborate on BS&M, or SoL? Who goofed? My guess (remembering that I don't have the interview in front of me) is that they made a mistake putting the interview together. Can anyone who has the text handy verify this--does Neil ever actually *say* SoL is the collaboration, or does he just talk about *doing* one? (Seeing as how people have been talking about Dubois' >...um...somewhat less than inspired lyrics (at least when compared to Neil), that might explain who was responsible for all those "ah, yes to yes"es! :-) (I like the song a *lot*, though...) Hoping someone can clear this up, --Rat "I'll be around If you don't let me down Too far..." --NP ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 15:00:36 EST From: Goldman@ldybug.ci.net (Amy Goldman) Subject: Counterparts Review from Boston Globe Boston Globe, Album Review, Tuesday, October 19, 1993 <picture of Geddy, Neil, and Alex> Rush: Challenging the mind as rock's senior statesmen by Steve Morse RUSH COUNTERPARTS ATLANTIC ANTHEM Canadian power-trio Rush scraped for years to get to the top of the hard-rock field. Now that the group is there, Rush deserves credit for not slipping into the arena-rock smugness of many of their peers. If anything, the band appears increasingly comfortable with the role of senior statesmen: Witness the new album, "Counterparts," due in stores today. Unlike many hard-rockers who are still trying to satisfy their egos and libidos, Rush writes new songs that attack racism and sexism ("Alien Shore"), sympathize with a friend who died of AIDS ("Nobody's Hero"), defend a woman concerned with male physical abuse ("Cold Fire") and warn about putting up with corporate and societal lies ("Stick It Out"). Singer Geddy Lee, once a shrieky yowler who's now among the most improved vocalists in rock, offers this statesmanlike observation in the guitar-driven "Cut to the Chase": I'm old enough not to care too much About what you think of me But I'm young enough to remember the future And the way things ought to be Amazingly enough, Rush will celebrate its 20th anniversary next year. A tour is planned to start in January (no word yet on a local date), but, for the moment, this album will have to suffice. And suffice it does with a jarringly virtuosic, socially conscious batch of songs that should heighten a respect cemented in 1991 with the disc, "Roll the Bones," followed by a sold-out Worcester Centrum show. Rush may be too preachy for some listeners, and too unmelodic for others (guitarist Alex Lifeson can still play with dental-drill relentlessness), but this album marks a major step forward. The former Rush sin of bombast creeps into the new track "The Speed of Love" ("nothing changes faster than the speed of love," Lee sings), but most songs challenge the mind, even as they're ripping through the brain with monster guitar riffs and the big-beat, arena-size drum sounds of Neil Peart. Befitting Rush's role as cerebral rock philosophers, the song "Animate" pays tribute to psychologist Carl Jung, notably Jung's thesis of merging the anima (feminine side) and animus (masculine side). How many hard-rock bands delve this deep? And a bright overlay of optimism coats the last track, "Everyday Glory": "If the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine." The band keeps that promise here. -- Amy Goldman "If you want it, you've got it, goldman@ldybug.ci.net you've just got to believe, (508) 842-3854 believe in yourself " ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:32:09 -0400 From: harrison@fim5.fim.wpafb.af.mil (Jay Harrison) Subject: Bravado vs. Speed of Love Hi busy listeners.... I just noticed something very interesting. Listen to the first minute or so of Bravado then the beginning of Speed of Love and tell me if they don't at least sound like they are from the same album or something. I don't know if it's the time or the key, but they sound A LOT a like. Just an observation.... +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jay Harrison harrison@fim.wpafb.af.mil | | (129.48.33.11) | | "You may be Right, It's all a waste of time | | I guess that's just a chance I'm prepared to take | | A Danger I'm prepared to face, Cut to the chase" - Peart | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: kyoung@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Kris Young (ISE)) Subject: Counterparts Kicks Butt! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:27:29 -0500 (CDT) Well, I have been listening to _Counterparts_ in all its DDD glory for about a day now, I have the following to say about it: This album rules!!!!! Now for the objective review: I was _very_ impressed with this album. After listening to the album in increments of quality (the sound files, the radio special, and now the CD), I was absolutely blown away by the production. Geddy and Co. were right on the money when they were searching for the "in your face", emotive, energetic production. This album is the best produced RUSH album I have ever heard. Everything (Geddy's funky bass lines, Alex's adrenaline pumping solos, Neil's expert fills, and Ged's emotional voice) is right there in the mix... it all combines to produce pure energy (perhaps we should experiment in this direction to solve energy conservation problems) ;). This is why they are called RUSH. Geddy has really seemed to master his voice in this album. From my listening perch, the vocals are PERFECT. From the perfect combination of speaking and singing in "Double Agent" to the emotional gymnastics of "Between Sun and Moon". As for Neil's lyrics, they are undoubtedly right on the money. While at first (before I heard the music) my mind couldn't comprehend how the lyrics could work, I must say they work wonders. These lyrics combine the best of emotional and rational feelings. This is the "Cygnus" of albums about male/female relationships, in my opinion. While some of the lyrics seem awkward on paper, when applied to music they become vibrant. "Double Agent" gets right into the human psyche more effectively than Dostoevsky or Freud ever could. "Nobody's Hero" has the PERFECT mixture of emotion and reason (see Cygnus above). "Alien Shore" truly captures the delicate balance of joy and struggle in the love relationship (sexual, or otherwise). This theme reminds me of "Different Strings" in a way. "You and I, we are strangers by one chromosome Slave to the hormone, body and soul In a struggle to be happy and free Swimming in a primitive sea" - "Alien Shore" This song has that effective imagery, brought forth in a way only Neil can. Simply amazing! Geddy's bass on this album truly captures my soul. As I lay in my dorm room, with my walls shaking, I realized the proportions of this bass (Hear "Animate", "Alien Shore", and "Cut To the Chase"). This sound is just HUGE! Funky, too. This is the kind of bass that brought my attention to _Hold Your Fire_, but with Alex playing with the intensity he does on Cp, the effect is EXPLOSIVE! And for all of you thinking that I am a subjective RUSH worshiper, I'd have to say that after this album, I am forced to be. I just can't find anything to criticize in this album. EVERY SONG just rubbed me the right way... I am in heaven. This is the album I've been waiting for! Kris PS- Did anybody noticed that the song Pye DuBois was credited with in the liners was "Between Sun and Moon", rather than "Speed of Love" (the one talked about on the Cp Premiere Special? Typo or no? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |"Freeze this moment - a little bit longer - make each sensation | | a little bit stronger - experience slips away... " - RUSH, HYF | |___________________________________________________________________________| | Kristopher L. Young kyoung@ebs330.eb.uah.edu kyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu | | University of Alabama in Huntsville -- Electrical Engineering | >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:14:21 -0500 From: Jeremy Todd Strzynski <jtstrzyn@lime.wustl.edu> Subject: criticism of CP; responses to greg: (from #785): i wholeheartedly agree. i think too many people here (myself at times included) tend to say stuff like "This is unbelievably amazing!" or "This sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls." (sorry if that offends you) without bothering to say why. i liked your pros and cons--if more people did stuff like that, we'd all understand better both the strengths and limitations of the new album. personally, i think CP is their best album since MP. reasons: 1) it grabbed me immdeiately, which is something Rush albums rarely do (it was two years before i liked P/G) 2) i like the three-piece style better than the keyboard-heavy material. yes, there are keys in there, but they are in the background further than they have been recently. 3) there is a wide variety of music on the album, from the repeated-riffs of SIO to the acoustic intro to NH to psycho-lunatic ramblings of DA. albums like RTB, PoW, and HYF were a bit too homogeneous for my tastes. you may disagree, which is fine, given that people have different tastes. if you like keyboards this album won't be your favorites. if you like or don't like a bunch of things this album won't be your favorite. but please, fellow NMS readers, given the recent sizes of the digests, if you like or don't like CP and want to tell us so, tell us WHY as well, and in a way which doesn't imply those who disagree with you are either wrong or mindless followers of the band. to dale (also from #785): on whose album does "Nobody's Hero" belong? last i checked Rush both wrote and performed on the song. jeremy ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 19:36:24 -0400 From: swaminathan gangadharan <sgangadh@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu> Subject: CPs lyrics are quite original. Hi Rush-fans, I wish to offer my views on the lyrical content of CP, now that a few NMSers seem to think it does'nt live up to the standards set by previous albums. Firstly, about the line "Ah Ah to Yes, Yes to Yes" and so on. Agreed, it is not very thought provoking. But they are writing music here, not prose. A few lines added to make the song more melodic/listenable does not (IMHO) make the whole song lyrically sub-standard. The concept of male-female relationships and the masuclinity-feminity aspect of man are subjects that NP has not written much about before CP. That he has chosen to explore these areas of human nature in an intelligent manner in itself makes CP original, if not outstanding. How many rock lyricists can write a song like "Animate". I confess the lyrics kept me guessing until I heard NPs comments on the song during the World premiere. With that in mind, I can readily recognise the"ancient queen of inner-space" or the "gentle friend" inside me. Everything NP writes need not necessarily be abstract and "scholarly" The important thing is that the lyrics are sensible and realistic. Let's look at it this way. NP could have easily come up with a very trite song about love and included it under the general theme of "Counterparts". But the songs SOL & CF are about the complexity of love and are not "love songs" in the usual sense. Nobody's hero is a good description of noble but ordinary people we overlook in everyday life. Maybe "Everyday Glory" is in that direction too. What Iam driving at is this. It is just too easy to dismiss this album as lyrical deficient because it is not as profound as, say, Hemispheres. Maybe I am too eager to appreciate Rush. But as I see it, CP is original in its own way and we should not reject it by an arbitrary comparison with earlier albums.Let us give Rush a decent amout of credit for striving so hard to produce albums that are progressive lyrically and musically. Thanks for reading thro' Later Swami. P.S. It is not my intention to flame anybody who has been critical of CP's lyrics. I only wish to provide a different perspective on the matter. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 19:49:43 EST From: jenkinsp@kenyon.edu Subject: CP is dope] A friend of mine and I drove an hour to get to a record store, and we got it. I liked it right away. It usually takes me a while to get used to the new albums, but I liked this one right way. The whole album is just awesome. I definitely think that it's at least the best since PoW, and may be even better. There is no doubt that the tour is going to be killer, even if King's X does open. I hope that the boys think about releasing a new live album with stuff from the RTB and CP tours. BTW, how could Rush leave Xanadu and Kid Gloves off Chronicles? (You agree, don't you Eric and Daryl?) Enjoy--Later, Peter Jenkins "Though we live in trying times-- We're the ones who have to try-- Though we know that time has wings-- We're the ones who have to fly" NP--"Everyday Glory" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:21:42 -0400 From: gt3144a@prism.gatech.edu Well, I've been reading NMS for a few weeks now, so I suppose that now it's time for me to post. I got Counterparts at the Georgia Tech bookstore today. I've listened to every song at least once, and some of them more. Mostly it's very good - better than RTB, by far. There are times when I find Geddy's voice quite irritating. Animate is one of those. I just don't like it. However, with strong backing instrumentals, such as those in most of the rest of the album, he sounds great. The lyrics aren't quite as good as Neil's usually are... I found some parts of the album to be trite, such as the first verse of "Nobody's Hero". I'd like more subtlety. On symbols: Rush's songs are usually chock full of interesting allusions, symbols and such. I haven't looked over the cover completely yet, but I think there will be plenty there. Neil mentioned reading Jung in the inteview, right? (I don't know, I still haven't read all of it) If I recall correctly, one of the subjects Jung wrote about was symbols in the "collective consciousness" of a culture. In that light, I'm nearly positive that the cover art is meant as some sort of sexual symbolism. As for the binary pattern on the cover, I tried breaking it up into 8-bit segments, and converting to ASCII, but I don't think that's what it is. If I was a conspiracy-theorist nut, rather than a general all purpose nut, I would also claim that the triangle pattern on the cover is a reference to Trilateralism. Rand: I first started reading Ayn Rand because I had heard that 2112 was based on _Anthem_. After reading _Anthem_ I went on to other Rand books, and for a while, became a die-hard, foaming-at-the-mouth Objectivist. Then I read a biography of Ayn Rand by James T. Bakker, which caused me to lose faith in Rand's rationality. I don't think that Counterparts is Randian. It's aggressiveness is reminiscent of Rush's Randian days, but those days are over, and once gone, can never return. (Incidentally, NMS is indirectly responsible for my becoming an Objectivist, since it was from an old copy of the FAQ that somebody had uploaded to a BBS that told me about Rand's influence in 2112.) Eric ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: jservait@uceng.uc.EDU (Joe Servaites) Subject: Anybody Know what all this stuff means? I'm sure that all of you have thoroughly (sp??) scrutinized the inner cover of your CP disk already, so did you find a meaning for every thing??? I noticed that a lot of the multi-colored words on the left side correspond to the picures (lock, stock, barrel; scissors, paper, stone,,,,etc) BUT, what's the deal with that maple leaf with the boy scout symbol? How about that P and Q? (Mind your P's and Q's???) The pile of X's and Y's? The guy shooting the compound bow? Who is that playing the accordion? [ The x's & y's I would think would be the x and y chromosomes. I believe that's Neil shooting the bow (I heard he had taken up archery); my guess is it represents "hunter/hunted", even though there is no "hunted" in the picture. And I think it's Alex playing the accordian... : rush-mgr ] OK, enough writing, it's time to crank Counterparts again!!! Later Joe PS this tour is going to be sweeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!! PPS Sorry, I dont have any long fucking signature ....... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 20:48:17 -0400 From: Gregg Jaeger <jaeger@buphy.bu.edu> Subject: Rand, Dos Passos, etc. Oh boy, more from: >From: Eric Simpson <eric6@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu> >> Extensive knowledge of Neil? I bet he'd be amused that you know so >> much about him, NOT. > You're right- he wouldn't be amused. He tends to not like having >people "invade his privacy" by digging up all there is on him. But >I think most unbiased NMSrs would disagree with your implication >about me. What implication? All I am saying is that his lyrics are not sufficient evidence of what goes on in the privacy of his mind. All honest Peart watchers have been surprised by Neil's shifts of opinion (in interviews) from time to time. >> You might try more of show than tell, thanks. Your quotations (the >> one's that have been substantiated) don't make Neil Randian. > If quoting Neil doesn't count as "showing", what would? Having >him call you up and tell you what I'm saying? (I wish!). This is a >VERBAL exchange - it HAS to be "telling". By *show* I mean demonstrate clearly. You haven't demonstrated that now Peart is Randian, nor that his recent lyrics are so. > As for Neil being "Randian", it depends on how you define it. >As I said, I would not, and Neil would not, describe him as Objectivist. >Heavily influenced by Rand? Certainly, if that's what you mean by "Randian". >And I think my messages did that to a certain extent. But once again, >that is a drop in the bucket. I think it's obvious to ANY Rush fan >that Neil is "Randian". I doubt that. For one, I am a Rush fan and don't consider him Randian. Several others have agreed with me here and via private email. 'Nuff said. >>>* I never said Neil was an Objectivist * But[...] how can anyone seriously >>>think Rand was not a MAJOR, if not THE major influence on Neil's writings? >>>If you know of any single person who has influenced Neil's lyrics as much as, >>> or more than, Rand has (besides Neil himself), please let me know! >>>(And you know Robbins, Smith, Dos Passos, et al don't count). >> I'd say it *is* Dos Passos, especially since Dos is the writer most >> often alluded to by Neil. And guess what? Dos Passos refused to buy >> into the capitalism vs. socialism game. He was more or less a "left-wing >> libertarian." (btw, the "al" in _et al._ needs a period.) > You are incorrect - for the most part. We are talking here about >*idealogical* influence, right? Well, Neil has said: > > "The only connection is in the [song] titles. I am a big fan of > Dos Passos' stylistic ability, his poetic approach to prose, but > the ideas presented in the songs are quite different from from > those which he exemplified." I thought we were talking about *influence*? You are hypocritically holding a double standard. The fact of the matter is that Dos had a long career and exemplified a broad range of opinions, becoming progressively more conservative with time, though he began as a leftist, ending as more or less a left-wing libertarian (meaning: someone who believes in maximizing personal liberties without resorting to laissez-faire economics). This Neil has in common with Dos Passos, though he'd no more like to be seen as a follower of Dos than he would of Rand. Dos Passos is known as a socialist because of his early political views and the fact that during the Fifties he advocated peaceful coexistence with the Soviets. But by the end of his life he was quite a Republican. Dos is not known as an example of a Republican despite the fact that he was one. The key in the above phrase is "exemplified." Dos Passos was more of an observer than an ideologue. Furthermore, despite what Neil says in the above "The Camera Eye" is as like the introduction to Dos Passos' _USA_ trilogy as 2112 is like Anthem, and TCE is not without ideas. Read and learn. >You said: >> I bet he'd be amused that you know so much about him, NOT. > > Back at ya. I never claimed to know what his politics is other than what he has said, namely he's a "left-wing libertarian." > That is why I added my caveat about those three writers - I knew >you'd try it. So, the question still stands: Who has had more, or >as much, influence on Neil's ideas? Your caveat was and is a cop-out which serves no purpose, unless you think that writing can be done without conveying ideas. > As for your comments concerning Jung and Freud, one must not be >superficial (I'm not saying you are). Consider : Neil has read many >books which may be classified as "un-Objectivist". Invariably, however, >when Neil places that influence in his writings, it is something >not fundamental and quite tangential to the ideas he's read. Note that in the face of subsequent evidence (Neil's comments on Jung, which showed him to take Jung seriously _contra_ your STRONG statements to the contrary couched in typical Objectivist bs about rationality). > For example, the book that influenced "Hemispheres" was "Powers >of Mind" by Adam Smith. That book is now widely regarded as pseudo- >scientific trash. And the part that dealt with "two personalities" >involving halves of the brain was only one among many questionable >pieces. And still, it didn't have as MUCH influence as you'd expect. >Neil used it to express the idea of a "well rounded person" or to >express his views concerning how reason and emotion interact in a person. The book is considered largely trash, but the independence of the hemispheres of the brain is *not* trash and is what in fact Neil took away from the Smith book. In "Animate" Neil takes away quite alot from Jung and clearly takes him seriously. Sorry, you must admit your error out of "intellectual honesty." Face up. >No, it is "animus". Whoa - never heard of it. Enlighten me. My bottom >line is: Jung's influence is not fundamental to Jung; Rand's is. >And the influence ON NEIL isn't as powerful either. You haven't demonstrated this even remotely in regard to recent Rush. Fans of Rand are far too ready to see any individualism as rooted in Rand. Rand ripped off Nietzsche and tossed in a bit of Kantian (though she'd never admit it) moral universalism (to prevent societal degradation). There are plenty of influences in regard to Neil's rationalism as well: note Neil has been willingly photographed holding a book one by Aristotle but *not* one by Rand. >> >But please correct me if I'm wrong - Since the context of your post was >> >to show that at least parts of the album contradicted Rand, what were you >> >trying to say by quoting "the space between fiction and fact"? >> The song from which this paraphrase comes is "Between Sun and Moon", >> which says that "this is a fine place to be" (again, paraphrasing). > Please answer the question. Your quotes were meant to show >Neil, or CP, or those particular songs as being contrary to Rand. I guess I was presuming that you could recognize the obvious, namely that this lyric sanctions a degree of fantasizing (though clearly not much in practice: see "Cold Fire") that Rand wold find repulsive, as she would any fantasizing whatsoever. >> > "Big Money [...] It can do a lot of good. That's why I say >> >in the last line of the song, 'big money got no soul.' It's not money >> >that does it - it's not money that's good or bad - it's people, the >> >people who use it as a tool." - NP >> > And since the basic principle behind capitalism is freedom, >> >including the freedom to use your money in stupid or immoral ways, the >>> >song has no bearing on capitalism as such. >> Au contraire! Please, leave off the doctrine business. Capitalism >> is what it is, and some of what is done by those who follow it is evil. >> The song is about capitalism, not Rand's view of it's philosophical basis. > Please re-read. Neil himself said it's not about capitalism. >The definition of capitalism is NOT: people using money. That behavior >goes on in other non-capitalistic places. As Neil said (and which you >deleted out of the quote) was that the song was written out of a response >to a feeling among people that anything that has dollar signs is bad. >That is certainly not criticizing capitalism. It's not sanctioning it either. Look, it's clear you didn't understand what I typed -- I meant capitalism is what capitalism is and not some theoretical construct of Objectivism. If you insist on talking about that theoretical construct then please call it O-capitalism, otherwise you are evading reality. Capitalism is economics based on the profit motive, period. The profit motive leads many to inhuman acts. I guess you need to learn a bit more about the Robber Barons. >By the way, correcting spelling and punctuation errors is the last refuge >for those who have lost their case. I wasn't correcting a spelling or punctuation error, I was correcting a *grammatical* error. Correcting grammatical errors is the first move of those wishing to inform. Furthermore, I have not lost any case, and am not the one on whom the burden of proof lies in regard to the central issue: Peart's "Randianism" and Rand's influence on the present Neil Peart. Gregg ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: David Michae Carver <carver@chopin.udel.edu> Subject: A Counterparts Question Hello all! It's been quite a while since my last post here, and I figured now was a more-than-apropos time to post once again. My reactions to the album: It's GREAT. No, wait. It's not. "Great" is a understatement. This album is unsurpassed compared the past few albums. I have to admit, though, that I was very surprised when I heard the whole album for the first time. A few songs were not at all what I expected, namely "Leave That Thing Alone". It's a great song, but after the boyz' previous excercises in self-indulgence, I was a bit surprised. But I can't quite put my finger on why. Not yet, anyway. :-) Now to the real reason for this post. Does anyone know if Rush recorded any tracks for Counterparts that never made it to the "final round"? I remember those rumors about "Luci and Desi"; perhaps this was one? Now that I think about it, has Rush _ever_ not put songs on an album? I remember reading in "Visions" (it's been a while, so forgive me) that they didn't have _enough_ material for one of the albums (I think it was "Signals", but I don't remember), and they wound up having to write another song. And you'll notice that there are no previously unreleased tracks on Chronicles. If Rush ever released a boxed set, would there be anything previously unheard (by us, anyway) on it? The curiosity's killing me! :-) - Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: I'M STILL DROWNING <CAREY_MAA@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hhehe, first off..I would really like to personally and publically thank Meg for taking all her time compiling these things when the influx of traffic must have been INTENSE the last few weeks in all of our 'pre- orgasmic' states concerning the Rush release. Also thanks for giving us a listen to them weeks before the masses with the .au files. Mega *HUGS* from Connecticut!! Anyways, as scheduled, the Cd finally hit the doorsteps here in CT and I got mine at 10am when the record store opened haha. I listened to the Cd first at work on a portable Cd player and it sounded sooooo nice, then I threw it in my car cd player on the trek home and here I am (some 8hrs later) listenin to it on my stereo. It sure sounds great...!! In the 14yrs (since I was twelve) I have been a Rush fanatic, this album has caused for the most anticipation --probably because I heard a good deal of it in advance and because I thought it was a new stage in Rush's ongoing evolution. I want to take a stab though at Dale R. Buske up at Iowa state.. SIGNALS is your next to your last fav Rush album in order? You have GOT to be kidin...! I remember the signals tour and the baseball concert shirts and how much Subdivisions/Analog Kid related to my life as well as others when I was growing up. And I used to listen to "The Weapon" first thing in the morning every morning for like 2yrs from 8th grade on....wow, Signals was one of Rush's best album and deserves much praise. Back to CP, I have really gotta tell ya all, I love this album and I think all songs on it are impressive. I really like "Nobodys Hero" and dont think it sounds "trite" as some have mentioned. The acoustic guitar on that song reminds me so much of Natural Science I almost wanna throw in PW after it and really get crazy :). Coldfire and Animate are really Incredible tunes musically and syncopation-wise. And, even though some guy on here thought "ah..yes to yes" were stupid lyrics, I think Between Sun and Moon is the most viable candidate for a hit perhaps in the magnitude as "Tom Sawyer" for Rush...the song has catchyness and it just sounds Great!! I hope to see ya all on the tour this year and I am too all for the gift for the guys' 20th anniversary tour....its a grand idea! Take care "ah yes to yes!!" :) Al Filandro (Cygnusrush@Aol.com and above) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 21:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MOSUREGD@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu Subject: Counterparts ... of course I picked up my copy of Counterparts Monday night from CD Connection here in Dayton and I think it rauks! However, my housemates think that the album cover is kinda stupid. I thought the cover was very appropriate: A nut and a bolt are reletively fundamental pieces of equipment that hold together the most magnificent structures. Which, is what I think Rush was hinting at when they decided on the album cover. Our counterparts (internal or external) are very primitive, but should not be overlooked because they *are* important. Kind of a Simple but Complex idea ("Wheels within wheels in a spiral array ..."?) Anyway, I think my housemates are off their rockers (they aren't real Rush fans, just kinda social Rush fans. They would never be a part of a Rush mailing list!) and it doesn't surprise me that they think it is studpid. I'm not gonna waste the effort to try to explain it to them. Anyway Rush, nice job ... Greg ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:36:03 EDT From: Frank Lalonde <533557@acadvm1.uottawa.ca> Subject: Checking on USA vs Canadian CD I was curious about something in the artwork inside the cover... In the Canadian CD, there's pictures of both sides of a Canadian quarter...(Queen Liz II on one side, a moose on the other side). Is this in the American CD also? Please email me directly, and not the list as to not add extra trivialities to the digest! [ I got mine in the good old US and yes, it does have the front and back of a Canadian quater. : rush-mgr ] Thanks! ****************************************************** * Frank Lalonde ... Have a Budweiser, I know I will! * * Telnet: 533557@acadvm1.UOttawa.CA * * Bitnet: 533557@uottawa * ****************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 21:32:29 LCL From: Kevin Cooney <IEEE@SUVM.SYR.EDU> Subject: Critics lighten up For several days now I've been reading criticism of CP. The criticism is of the lyrics for the most part. So here's my two cents: LIGHTEN UP! And here's a NEWS FLASH for ya...RUSH doesn't write lyrics to please *us*. They create music for themselves first and foremost. Musically, CP is outstanding. It has been some time since one of their albums has had this much ENERGY! These three guys have composed an excellent album sonically--as Geddy seems to think. Lyrically, however, CP has some rough edges. "Nobody's Hero" springs to mind in this regard. "Between Sun and Moon" is also a bit strange. But I don't believe most folks buy Rush for the lyrics. The music these guys pump out is absolutely superior--especially live! If you don't like the lyrics, try your hand at ignoring them and concentrating on the sound. (hard to do on "Nobody's Hero", eh?) Give it some time! P/G took a long time for me to get used to. BTW, "Animate" and "Cold Fire" are especially good tunes. Let's hope Rush gets their next album out before the end of '94. Kevin, Brewerton, NY ----------------------------------------------------------
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