The National Midnight Star #202

Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list Subject: 04/01/91 - The National Midnight Star #202
** ____ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ** ** / /_/ /_ /\ / /__/ / / / / /\ / /__/ / ** ** / / / /__ / \/ / / / / /__/ / \/ / / /___ ** ** ** ** __ ___ ____ ** ** /\ /\ / / \ /\ / / / _ /__/ / ** ** / \/ \ / /___/ / \/ / /___/ / / / ** ** ** ** ____ ____ ___ ___ ** ** /__ / /__/ /__/ ** ** ____/ / / / / \ ** The National Midnight Star, Number 202 Monday, 1 April 1991 Today's Topics: Administrivia Power Windows Reappreciated Taurus bass pedals Ged's guitar bits puzzling mumble (none) Fancy Dancer Re: parallel development rupert hine + PRESTO POLL!! Alex's guitar playing in "The Trees." Re: Presto poll Thank you letter Taurus pedals Rush cover band LaserRush ftp lyrics for _Permanent_Waves_ Broon's Bane Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 Moog pedals Rush: Exit Stage Left concert video Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 By-Tor Banter Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 didacts and narpets II (the horror continues) Living for ones' self PRESTO POLL LAST CHANCE!!! **RUSH FAVORITES POLL RESULTS** &... RUSH Profiled Hemispheres ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Administrivia Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 15:31:31 EST From: RUSH Fans Digest Manager <rush-mgr> Hi there folks, First of all (and most obviously), there was no NMS for Thursday 3/28/91 or Friday, 3/29/91. Sorry folks, I got distracted by spring-cleaning-type stuff. Secondly, I've gotten mail from a list member who noted there was a section of lyrics missing from the "Hemispheres" lyrics. I checked, and sure enough, they weren't there. I also noticed a note in today's NMS, concerning the lyrics to "Freewill". (More on that in the particular item.) The upshot of this is that I'm going to review all the lyrics as compared to my album/CD versions. With any luck, this will pick up any remaining anomolies. rush-mgr ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 17:43:55 EST From: Anand Rangarajan <rangarajan-anand@CS.YALE.EDU> Subject: Power Windows Reappreciated I've been listening to Power Windows more intently than ever before and I really think that it has been underrated compared to Moving Pictures or 2112. The boyz seem to be stretching themselves much more than in Grace Under Pressure (which resembles Power Windows the most). There are tremendous instrumental surges in this album. Notably: The intro to Big Money is *GREAT* and so is the sophisticated production leading up to the vocals. Alex's solo is accompanied very effectively by the keyboards finishing up with a good jam. The orchestra and the transition to Geddy singing ``The big bang.took and shook up the world'' is marvelous. Check out Geddy's bass accompanying his vocals. The mellow, sweet jam in Marathon culminating in ``you can do a lot in a lifetime..'' is very inspirational. The jam starting at about 2:43 to 4:10 also features a dextrous combination of bass, gtr and keyboards, quite possibly the best Rush has ever done in marrying gtr + kbds. Territories starts off with a nice touch; the Far Eastern inflection on Alex's gtr. Watch for the neat way in which Alex follows the sequencer with his gtr. Even if you don't like sequenced music and Territories has a lot, this is a particularly innovative way of using sequencers. The finish to Territories has to be played *LOUD* in order to hear the ominous tone of Geddy's bass. The ringing tone in Alex's gtr in the beginning of Middletown dreams is reminiscent of Time by Pink Floyd. At 2:00 the kbds kick in. If you listen carefully, there's a layer of doubled scratch gtr underneath the kbds with the bass even further below. The kbds give way to a very different kind of solo. Listen to Geddy's bass towards the end of the song. Emotion detector has the sweetest opening of any song in Power Windows. This song was meant to be a ballad. A particularly long and satisfying solo by Alex (from 3:30 to 4:15) is also noteworthy. Finally, Mystic Rhythms with its jungle drums and acoustic gtr in the middle of a mystical instrumental. Aaah. A perfect ending to a perfect album. Anand Rangarajan rangarajan-anand@cs.yale.edu ORQ:``They are liable to stand outside your house and throw stones at you...until you're dead'' ---------------------------------------------------------- From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca Date: 27 Mar 91 18:30 -0600 Subject: Taurus bass pedals >X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.1 10/31/90) Yesterday BJENKINS@ecs.umass.edu asked what anyone knew about Taurus bass pedals. The bad news is they don't make them anymore, but the good news is they don't make them anymore!!! Nowadays you can buy MIDI bass pedals that trigger *any* MIDI synth but the Taurus pedals were *hardwired* to their own synth that generated only boring (almost useless) sounds. To get his neat sounds, Geddy Lee had his pedals ripped from the synth unit and hardwired to an Oberheim unit (model Xa or something like that). A primitive system compared to what's for sale now, but state-of-the-art way back when. -- Kerry Yackoboski <yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca> The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory in the Cellar U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 16:33:45 -0800 From: David Conley <dmc@u.washington.edu> Subject: Ged's guitar bits If you listen to the quiet part near the big finish at the end of Xanadu on ESL, a most distinctive second guitar part can be heard....must be Geddy strumming along. While on this subject: I have always wondered if Geddy plays the classical guitar in "Rivendell" on FBN. I think in the album credits it says that Ged plays classical guitar (does memory fail me????). I can't think of any other classical pieces on the album (I don't think the acoustic bit on "Making Memories" counts). Anybody out there received a Backstage Club newsletter recently?? The last one I have was put out when Presto was released. I am still a member in good standing....I can't wait for Neil's Q & A session, there should be some good questions as evidenced by this years discussion on the NMS!! It's spring break at the UW....I wish us faculty types could go on holiday!! Cheers. Dave ----- David Conley "The Digital Anatomist" dmc@milton.u.washington.edu University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: puzzling mumble Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 17:07:18 -0800 From: zzz@erg.sri.com It's not mentioned anywhere in the FAQL, so... Has anybody got ALL the words spoken by the astronauts in the end of Countdown? There's a phrase right after "Glad you enjoyed it" that I can't quite make out, and it's been bugging me for years! It sounds almost like "Yeah, we ate it all up"; but for that matter it sounds almost equally like "Naah, we made it all up", or even "aaaaeeeeeaaaaaaaiiiooouuuu" (like maybe one astronaut just puked inside his space suit or something!). I know it isn't really Rush lyrics, but it is a featured part of one of their tunez... So anyone know for sure? [ This was discussed at length a while ago - would somebody be kind enough to volunteer to compile the list concensus of what is said? :rush-mgr ] -Mike ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 20:13:43 PST From: Eric Rescorla <rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu> On the subject of Parallel development, I noticed on listening to RUSH(first album) that two tracks sound suspiciously like other tracks I know. 1) Take a Friend contains a riff that sounds suspiciously like the major riff in Zep's "Whole Lotta Love", which, BTW, is identical to the riff in "Hey Joe." I can only assume that RUSH stole or picked this one up. 2) By contrast, "In the Mood" sounds suspiciously like Skynyrd's "What's Your Name" but it was written before "What's Your Name?" Curiouser and curiouser.... -Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Rescorla rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu Yale University Department of Chemistry rescorla@psun.chem.yale.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 19:39 EDT From: "Meakin, William James" <WMEAKIN%drew.bitnet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: Fancy Dancer Date: 27-Mar-1991 07:19pm EST From: Meakin, William James WMEAKIN Dept: Tel No: (201)-408-4456 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%RUSH@SYRINX.UMD.EDU ) Subject: Fancy Dancer Well, here's what I know about the song 'Fancy Dancer' from _Stellar Dynamecs_. According to _Visions_, 'Fancy Dancer is an original from when Rush was still a bar band before the first album. Some other songs the bio mentions are 'Garden Road', 'Sing Guitar', 'Morning Star', 'Margarite', 'Feel So Good', 'Number 1', 'Keep in Line', 'Run Willie Run', 'Mike's Idea', 'Tale', 'Slaughterhouse', 'Child Reborn', 'Losing Again', and 'Love Light' . I doubt these exist anywhere, but then again I never thought I'd get to hear 'Fancy Dancer' either!! So if anyone has any of these, let me know! Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wmeakin@drew.bitnet :"I had a woman not too long ago, : all I wanted was to treat her good..."- Fancy Dancer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 91 20:04:15 EST From: Steve Kilpatrick <ST402658@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: Re: parallel development This is amazing, Chris! I was just thinking of posting a very similar query when I read your post. I find the Led Zeppelin influences all over early Rush music. LZ is one of my other all-time favorites, and I started getting into both at about the same time (1979) so it was easy to compare. I find the general early Rush style very reminiscent of early to mid-period Zeppelin (1969-73), and the Chronicles liner notes seem to confirm this. I have a few 'this Rush song <-> that LZ song' comparisons, but most escape me at the moment. There's one, on FBN I think, where the riff is very similar to the "Whole Lotta Love" riff. Anyway, I can think of two real examples now: 1. The closing to "Working Man" (Alex strumming a single chord, John Rutsey (I almost said Neil) bashing away) is virtually identical to the closing of LZ's "How Many More Times", which is in turn virtually identical to the closing of Jeff Beck's "Beck's Bolero". Same chord! 2. FBN's "Rivendell" is based on the elven city which provides safe haven in Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings'. In the late '60's - early '70's, all the rock musicians read Tolkien, so this is probably an instance of both Rush and LZ being influenced by Tolkien. LZ's "Ramble On" mentions Mordor, the land of evil in the books. (Does this mean that LZ is evil and Rush are the good guys?) Please note that I am in no way implying that Rush was or is not an original band - I think their 18+-year career speaks for itself. I'm anxious to hear how others see influences in Rush's music. I've read where they've admitted they've been influenced by bands like the Police, leading to a greater synthesizer role in the music, but I don't see any clearly direct comparisons. Anyone have an opinion on that? For what it's worth, a good deal of this is IMO. I welcome private and list- posted responses. Steve ORQ : "Every nerve is torn apaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrtttt!!!!!...." - Cygnus X-1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1991 14:34 +1000 From: Rush are Gods <C9036973@WOMBAT> Subject: rupert hine + i was wondering if anyone out there has any of Rupert (rush producer) Hine's stuff and if so what is it like? i talked to someone who claimed to have owned some prev. and all the guy said was `he's that really ambient guy'. will i find his stuff to be of the depth of rush? a show of hands from me for marillion also. ******** ===================================================================== * ^ ^ * |"The space around the stars is something that you know. | / (O)(O) ? | A million miles of darkness left you feeling low."-Marillion | | ^^ | |"Dreamers tend to steer by the stars."-Rush | (------) |"I'm an urban guerilla, I make bombs in my cellar."-H'wind //AMIGA | `| |' | ADAM WILLIAMS (SELF PORTRAIT WITH ASCII AND EGGS) \X/unbound| `__' ===================================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 16:14:43 +1000 From: Stuart Raymond Mills <stum@cs.su.oz.au> Subject: PRESTO POLL!! Good response so far, and mixed at that!! As an optional extra, if you want to include up to 4 songs in order of preference I will give them les points respectively for each. Some people have done this already. Keep em flowing!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** stum@minnie.cs.su.OZ.AU *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** "Todays Tom Sawyer, mean mean guy....." *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 02:00:33 -0500 From: jtkung@caf.MIT.EDU (Joseph Kung) Subject: Alex's guitar playing in "The Trees." The part in "The Trees" that's before Alex's solo is a very interesting guitar part that uses open strings G, B, and E with him just fingering two adjacent notes on the D string. It goes like this : -------------0---------------------------0-------- ------0----------0-------------0------------------ ----0------0---0------0------0------0------0----0- -12-----11---------11-----12-----11---12-----11--- -------------------------------------------------- and this is repeated over and over. Alex loves to use open-strings to create a textural backdrop, much like drone notes on a synth part. Another example would be the last chord in "The Trees" which is an A maj add 9, both live and in the studio, but on ESL, he then follows it up with a B maj add 11, then ends by arpeggiating an Emaj add 9 [a beautiful chord] : -0----0----0---- -6----8----1---- -7----9----4---- that blends perfectly with the synth as it goes into the -7----9----2---- intro of "Xanadu." -5----7----0---- These along sus2 chords make up a lot of what Alex plays ... - Joe ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Presto poll Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 8:13:57 CST From: a106d!tj@uunet.UU.NET (T.J. Higgins) [I couldn't get mail through to Australia, my apologies for abusing list bandwidth.] My favorite song from Presto is "Available Light." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- T.J. Higgins 205-730-7922 | higgins@ingr.com (Internet) Mapping Sciences Division | uunet!ingr!higgins (uucp) Intergraph Corp. M/S IW17A5 | b17a!tj (Intergraph internal) Huntsville, Alabama, U.S.A. "Television is a medium because anything well done is rare." -- Fred Allen ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 09:18 EDT From: "Douglas G. Schwabe" <DGSST4@vms.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Thank you letter Hey folks, thanx again for the lists and the birthday greetings. I appreciate your thoughts and your ideas. As stated last Friday, the poll will run until the beginning of May so there is plenty of time to send in your list. Now for the good News: PITTSBURGH PENGUINS, 1991 PATRICK DIVISION CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!! There, I feel much better now. Hope this excitement doesn't offend some people in the Baltimore/D.C. area. We just might play the Caps in the first round (By the way, Rush-Mgr, are you a Caps fan?) Happy Easter Everybody!! Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Taurus pedals From: MGOODWIN@maine.maine.edu (J. MICHAEL GOODWIN) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 10:08:39 EST What are these, and could someone point out where they appear in a couple of songs? Is it just a guitar synthesizer? I tried to mail this question to the guy from Buffalo, but my mail bounced. ORQ - ... "Innocence gave me confidence to go up against reality". Mike Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 11:31:40 EST From: joezete@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter John Chestna) Subject: Rush cover band Last weekend Cygnus(Marshall Robin) and myself saw a band called Subdivisions. They are an all Rush cover band. This is part of their playlist from that night along with some other songs that they do. Spirit of Radio Natural Science 2112 - all parts including Oracle! Hemispheres - first 3 parts I think I'm Going Bald Xanadu Anthem In the Mood By-Tor and the Snow Dog Tom Sawyer YYZ w/drum solo and many more! Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that it was like seeing Rush in the off-season. They were so good in fact that I'm going to have them play at my fraternity house in Worcester, Ma. on April 13th. This is a Saturday and I figure they will go on at about 10 or 11pm. This is an open invitation to anyone on the list. Unfortunately because of the rules of our school, the party is strictly BYOB, but you may bring as much as you want. When I talked to the bassist/keyboardist he said they would probably play for about 4 hours maybe longer and he told me to provide him with a playlist and they would learn it, this of course means that anyone who cares to come to my shindig would be graced with a live version of NECROMANCER!!!!!! Anyone who wants to crash at my place is welcome. Now's your opportunity to hear all those RUSH songs that they don't play anymore or don't play completely anymore. They are a great band and are very faithfull to the music. I would like some idea of how many of you are interested, so please mail me @ joezete@wpi.wpi.edu. I will give directions out directly unless there is a big enough response, then I will put them on the list. A good time to be had by all. Hope this makes your day. Pete ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 08:52 PST From: RAGUNTON@WATER.llnl.gov Subject: LaserRush Ted Ives <tedi@apple.com> writes: >Off the topic, while I have your attention, did anyone try to >attend the very last showing of the Rush Laserium Show in San >Francisco, a few weeks back? Fortunately, I called ahead. It >was cancelled! I called the head office for an explanation. It >urned out that some "organization" actually bought up both Rush >shows for $6000, because they were having a meeting in one of the >other halls. They apparently didn't want the likes of Rush fans >in the same building during their meeting. I was pissed. Also, >they said that the Rush Laser show will not be revived in the >future but that it will be showing for a short time longer in San >Diego, (this may be your last chance, if it's not too late). Whew! Well first, I was at the very last showing of the Rush Laserium show in San Francisco. I went with a couple of friends of mine(one of them being the author Kevin Anderson(name dropper!)). We just decided to go at the very last minute. We had no idea that when we got there it was the very last showing. The "emcee" announced it. The room wasn't even half full! We just walked paid for our tickets at the door and walked right in! The emcee also said that there *are* plans to revive the show in the future. In fact, he said that if there were any songs that weren't performed that night that anybody wanted to hear, just let the emcee know at the end of the show, and they would forward the requests to the corporate office who plans the laserium shows. He said that the corporate office wanted the audience's imput because they had no idea what Rush songs would be popular among Rush fans. When it comes back, I will run, not walk, to see it! It was the best laserium show I've ever seen!!! Ben Ragunton _ RAGUNTON1@LLNL.GOV _ /| Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory \'o.O' Ack! Barf! Pfffttt! Livermore, California =(___)= Voice: (415)422-2461 U (415)449-7687 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 15:30 EST From: THE VAX BANDIT <JCRABTREE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU> Subject: ftp lyrics for _Permanent_Waves_ Greetings and salutations, I have a question about the lyrics I received from the anonymous ftp site at syrinx. In the lyrics for Freewill, it is printed as the following: "If you choose not to decide, you still haven't made a choice" ^^^^^^^ However, when I listen to the song, it sounds like Geddy sings the following: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" ^^^^ I have further reason to believe my ears in this case (I usually do not trust them ;-) because the person is choosing not to decide, therefore he has made a choice. Any help that anyone can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. [ Hmm, well, this is double-trouble. The answer is sort of "we're both right." The lyrics *sung* are "you still have made a choice", and on my sleeve from PeW it says "you cannot have made a choice". When Neil was asked about this discrepency in the Backstage Club newsletter a few issues ago, he said that all lyrics were sung just as they are in the lyric sheet. Bzzzz. Not quite Neil! Then again, he said Rush had no singles that were not on one of the studio albums, but we know *that's* wrong also! (Maybe he only counted songs since he was with the band?) See note in the first (administrivia) item in this issue WRT the lyrics on the server; changes are apparently in order... :rush-mgr ] Jason Crabtree | "I can't believe you're saying Wright State University | These things just can't be true" jcrabtree@desire.wright.edu | -RUSH ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:06:38 MST From: fpeabody@isis.cs.du.edu (Fred Peabody) Subject: Broon's Bane David Sandberg was absolutely right on the ending chord to Broon's Bane. In an earlier post I said that it ended on G minor. Minutes later, I realized my mistake. G minor is the first chord in the song. [FP] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 16:24 EDT From: AARON_KP@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Subject: Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 In NMS, no. 201, Ted Ives asks for some musical or lyrical parallels to the music of the Boyz...perhaps the largest lyrical parallel lies in Xanadu. It is almost taken verbatim from Samuel Taylor Coleridge's poem 'Kubla Khan'. I remember reading it in an English class in high school a long, long time ago and being shocked at the similarity! To stum@minnie, I'd have to say that The Pass is my favorite track off of Presto. Another lyrical tour-de-force for Neil! Well, that just about ends my first post. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk Rush...I haven't met very many Rushheads here at Johns Hopkins. See ya! --ken ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 17:30:38 EST From: dave <GCPURNEL%ECUVM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu> Subject: Moog pedals Brett Jenkins asked about Moog pedals in NMS 201. I saw some pedals in as store a few years ago that weren't Moog but did the same thing. They were a one octave pedal board with an analog synth built in. I didn't get 'em 'cause they didn't have midi and 'cause there were overpriced. A few years later I did purchase some midi pedals that have no internal synth ciruitry. I got 'em along with one of those midi-bass sample player units. I didn't want the midi-bass, but the guy was only selling 'em as a set. What a boob! Anyway, it is pretty cool to play guitar and trigger a simple keyboard part with the pedals. Charles Grogan and I play together like this quite a bit and we're still working on it. It's kinda' hard. Like singin' and playin' together. Also it's hard to change guitar effects patches at the same time you're playin' the pedals. If you're thinkin' about buying some I'd say get ones with Midi. The moog pedals have that great moog sound but all they can do is play bass. You can't add in any of those high string parts that ya' find all over the place in old Rush stuff otherwise. David Purnell OFRQ-"As the Maples scream 'Spooge!' and the Oaks just shake their heads" b.s.-Where's the Roland guitar synthesizer in Hemispheres anyway? ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rush: Exit Stage Left concert video Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 14:51:45 CST From: David Sandberg <plains!quad.sialis.com!dts@uunet.UU.NET> Up till now I've satisfied myself with parts of the Rush: Exit Stage Left video concert which I taped off the air many years ago when it was shown on Night Flight. Today I decided that I'd like to get a real, complete copy of this video... only to have my local video outlet tell me that the ESL video has been discontinued. B-( Is this so, and in any case does anyone have suggestions of how I might go about obtaining a copy of this classic old video? -- \*=- David Sandberg, dts@quad.sialis.com ,=, ,=, -=*\ \*=- "By-Tor and the Snow Dog square for | |uadric `=,ystems -=*\ \*=- battle... let the fray begin!" `=\ `=' -=*\ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 91 19:27 EST From: V120P993@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 in response to the mysterious "elephant" who crushed alex's double neck, it is all just a joke. i remember hearing in an interview that somewhere on tour, a monitor or speaker or something of the like fell on alex's beloved guitar, rendering it forever useless. glad i could shed light on this unfortunate topic; thanks as always to rush-mgr for all efforts rendered. KEVIN HULME P.S. 100 BEANS FOR THE BANNER, HARRIS- NO LIE. SUCCUMB TO MY DEMANDS. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 09:07:27 EST From: Steve Kilpatrick <ST402658@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: By-Tor Banter I've got another Rush-Led Zeppelin influence/similarity. Yesterday I was listening to the live ATWAS version of By-Tor and the Snow Dog and was struck by the middle 'weird guitar solo' section. This is very reminiscent of the violin-bowed guitar soloing technique that Page used, most noteably during Dazed and Confused live. Is Alex using a bow in this song (I've never seen it done live)? If not, what is he using to get all those bizarre sounds? The song in general sounds sort of Zeppelinesque, except of course that Alex is not nearly as sloppy as Page live. (I like Page a lot, but alcohol can do that to you!) As always, I'm only saying that Rush was obviously influenced by LZ, which is not to say that they were LZ clones. Replies/reactions are welcome. Steve ORQ : "And the words of the profits are written on the studio wall..." - Spirit of Radio, paraphrasing Simon and Garfunkel. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 11:19:07 EST From: Adam Konowe <AKONOWE%AUVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Re: 03/27/91 - The National Midnight Star #201 Hi, Please take me off your list. Thanks. --Adam Konowe ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 15:04:02 EST From: adam@paix.sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) Subject: didacts and narpets II (the horror continues) g'day all! boy, i'll tell ya. posting is like eating potato chips. once is not enough. i've always been interested in figuring out didacts and narpets, so i went to friend of mine who has 'sound edit' on the mac and we attacked the problem. he had heard the song in the past but hadn't thought about it. so i let him try to figure it out without any preconceived notions about the lyrics. what he came up with was pretty interesting. i don't agree with a couple of them; but, here they are for your amusement: deep voice geddy stay go learn know death to live earn give right right who's right kind of answers the question about pondering the song. mark ---------------------------- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 14:29:44 PST From: 6600mld%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (Old Tom Bombadil) Subject: Living for ones' self >From: stedmant@LONEX.RADC.AF.MIL (Terrance A. Stedman) > > Although I consider myself to be one of the biggest Rush fans and >even still a bigger Neil Peart fan, I still find that some of the lines >in their songs are not to my liking. Case in point from "Anthem" off FBN: > > Live for yourself -- there's no one else > More worth living for > Begging hands and bleeding hearts will > Only cry out for more > >To me, those lines are both disturbing and depressing. Flames are pretty >much discouraged, but any comments on the above lines would be appreciated. Heh. These are my most favourite Rush lyrics ever, bar none. The first two stanzas of the four are extremely cheery to me. Must be the rational selfishness in me. Matthew Deter | 6600mld@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu | Taxes are not levied for UC Santa Barbara | 6600mld@ucsbuxa.bitnet | the benefit of the taxed. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Mar 91 14:16:29 +1000 From: Stuart Raymond Mills <stum@cs.su.oz.au> Subject: PRESTO POLL LAST CHANCE!!! I will be compiling the results of the Presto poll after this issue so everybody get your answers in!! So far, interesting results.... RUSH should use these polls as a guide for releasing singles from albums!! PS: What is the backstage club and how does it work??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** stum@minnie.cs.su.OZ.AU *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********** "Todays Tom Sawyer, mean mean guy....." *********** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: **RUSH FAVORITES POLL RESULTS** &... Date: Sun, 31 Mar 91 10:56:07 -0800 From: kmarino@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU The results are in: The following are the results of the poll I was taking. The poll was favorite song from each album, favorite song performed live in concert, and favorite album. (I have included my vote in column two so that you may see how I voted as compared to the outcome. No acusations of cheeting ;-)) Album: Song: My Vote: --------------------------------------------------------------------- RUSH Working Man In The Mood FBN Beneath, Between & Behind Fly By Night COS Bastille Day Lakeside Park 2112 2112 (side 1) 2112 ATWAS By-Tor & the Snow Dog Bastille Day AFTK Xanadu Cinderella Man/Xanadu Hemispheres La Villa Strangiato The Trees PeW Jacobs Ladder/Natural Science The Spirit of Radio MoP Limelight Limelight :-) ESL Xanadu Xanadu Signals Subdivisions Subdivisions P/G Distant Early Warning Distant Early Warning PoW The Big Money Manhatten Project HYF Open Secrets Time Stand Still ASOH Subdivisions Subdivisions Presto Chain Lightning/Presto Show Don't Tell The Favorite Album: A FAREWELL TO KINGS Favorite song performed Live: FREEWILL Thanks for all your votes. I thought this was great. ******************************************************************************* * kmarino@bonnie.ics.uci.edu * OBRQ: "Because he was human * * marino%hycad5@hac2arpa.hac.com * Because he had goodness * * Life begins at graduation... * Because he was moral * * Or atleast, that's what they * They called him insane..." * * told me... * * ******************************************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RUSH Profiled Date: Sun, 31 Mar 91 11:11:29 -0800 From: kmarino@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU I thought all of you fellow Rushians might find this amusing: Last night (tired from a very boring Passover dinner -- My grandmother usually makes these thing take two-three hours) I went to a CD store that is in LA (I live about 45 miles from the store and I don't get there that often) and I was looking through the "used" CDs. To my joyous <insert very big grin> suprise I saw the RUSH Profiled CD there. "What fool would sell this precious CD for 5 bucks?" I thought. It was only $8.88 for the CD. I snapped out the wallet right there and then, it didn't even hurt. Previous to this night I had seen the CD for sale at $45.00 at a local store and I didn't have enough money to buy it. I scrimped and saved for a couple of weeks (going by the store each day to make sure that it was still there) and about the middle of the second week it was gone (WHAT???? I was PISSED. That <insert explitive here>er knew I wanted it... oh well. Now only five weeks after that, I have the CD listened to it twice and only shelled out 9 bucks. "If you are the fool that sold it back, THANKS" Rush-mgr-- is there a transcript at the FTP sight. If not, I could be talked into transcribing it sometime in the next couple of weeks. Lemme know! [ Nope, I don't have it (as far as I know). If you wish to transcribe it, feel free. Send it to the rush-request address when you're done, and I'll post it as a special edition. :rush-mgr ] Happily, Keith ******************************************************************************* * kmarino@bonnie.ics.uci.edu * OBRQ: "I'm not one to beleive in magic * * marino%hycad5@hac2arpa.hac.com * But I sometimes have second-sight" * * Life begins at graduation... * - RUSH "Presto" * * Or atleast, that's what they * * * told me... * * ******************************************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 14:16 EST From: GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS <GU090GIP%ITHACA.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Hemispheres Hello all, About a week or so ago someone brought up the question of why NEIL chose to compare Apollo and Dionysius as representatives of the mind and heart respectively...Some good answers out there...However, I think were you'll find the exact answer to that question is in the writings of Friedrich Nietzche. For those of you that haven't heard of him, he was a 19th century social philosopher. In one of his writings (which he in fact discusses the role of music and the persona, dealing specifically with Wagner), is a chapter appropriately called "Apollonianism and Dionysianism", were he discusses man's wont to have both in his persona, and discusses the idea of balance. He refers to someone that has achieved this balance "Superman" (i think he was the first to coin this term). At any rate, I don't think he mentions Cygnus, but I'm pretty sure the ideas in Cygnus X-1 Book II are formulated out of his work. (He especially discusses the role of the ancients in Attica, or Ancient Athens as most people know it, and the presence of both these facets in that society.) If you want to know the exact title of the book, get back to me. I'm pretty sure you can find an anthology of Nietzche's works. (Sadly, he goes down with a bad name because the Nazi's chose to quote him more than anyone else.) BTW on the subject of ALBUM COVERS. In _The Analog Kid_ there is a reference to 'the music of the spheres'. Has anyone made a connection between 'the music of the spheres' and the Hold Your Fire album cover? I dunno, personally, the reference seems familiar, but I can't quite remember. Does anyone have any idea about this? Thats all for now... George I. Papadopoulos GU090GIP@ITHACA ORQ: 'So much style without substance, so much stuff without style' ----------------------------------------------------------
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