The National Midnight Star #32

Errors-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush-list-all Subject: RUSH Fans Digest of 08/16/90 (#32)
RUSH Fans Digest, Number 32 Thursday, 16 August 1990 Today's Topics: "Inspirational reading" RE- ESL dividing Line Stages of Rush (none) Trial change ---------------------------------------------------------- Just a quick note before the festivities begin. At the risk of 'beating a dead horse', this list has been plagued with a mysterious problem of duplicate postings. It appeared to surface once the list got above a distribution of 200 or so. (How many do we have now, you may ask? How does about 350 strike you? And we're not even into the fall semester yet!) Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that yes, I know the problem exists, and no, I don't have a solution yet. I've tried several different things (including a few system upgrades), but nothing seems to work. Alas, one solution, splitting the list into smaller sub-lists won't work with the current digest software setup; it needs one and only one alias to send to. I'm continuing to investigate the matter, and another change is waiting in the wings; major mailer mods. I'll keep you posted via periodic updates here. PLEASE don't send me mail at the administrivia account telling me you're receiveing dups. I get about 2-5 mail items a day saying the same thing, and usually a day or two after one of these informative updates. I don't respond to each of these, as it would take too much time to do so. So, in conclusion, I'm sorry it's happening, but I'd stop it if I could. Please bear with us, and just zap that second issue if/when it comes in. "Thank you for your support" Manager, RUSH Fans Mailing List ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Aug 90 11:24:42 From: Cris Fuhrman <Cris_Fuhrman.DIAL_976@gateway.qm.apple.com> Subject: RE- ESL dividing Line Reply to: RE: ESL dividing Line Brad Armstrong <Lion.Wbst129@Xerox.COM> wrote: > ... I feel, as I have >previously stated, that the Exit...Stage Left dividing line was not >artificial. Here is a question I think about sometimes, which I would like >to hear some discourse from the rest of you about: What is the essential >difference between, say, the period before Exit...Stage Left and the period >after Signals (I think of Signals as kind of transitional, or at least more >so than Moving Pictures)? ... I'm looking for comments >on things like the band's apparent philisophy, the music's apparent >philosophy, the music's value, or even the record company's influences. I'd like to offer an opinion that's one of a musician who has admired the music of RUSH for several years and it's helped to shape my musical ability and style. As far as the essential difference between the pre-ESL era and the post-Signals era is concerned, the surest thing I can say that I see is how much the band has *matured*. I see how Neil has changed and become more confident in his style as a lyricist. A lot of discussion has led to the fact that Neil has used many of the ideas of other famous authors. I must say that at times I've been disappointed to learn that the thoughts behind "The Camera Eye" and "Red Barchetta" were not entirely his own. Perhaps other people share this opinion as well. However, now I feel that in the later works of Neil's seem to be more direct interpretations of his views on life. He's matured as a writer. Songs like "Available Light" and "Red Lenses" are examples of stuff that he's done "on his own" so to speak. In a similar way, I can see how RUSH have matured as composers. In a recent interview I remember reading how Geddy "forgot" how to play "Red Barchetta." When they had decided to do it for the Presto tour, he had to go back and listen to it on a CD. Geddy remarked that in those days, they often had a series of pieces to a song, and to make everything to fit together, they'd play games with the time signatures. "Free Will", "Red Barchetta", and "Hemispheres" are what I would consider examples of what Geddy is talking about. The later works like "Red Sector A" and "Anagram for Mongo" reflect a higher level of composition on the part of the band. I'd like to point out that my remarks have nothing to do with the value of the music. Just as maturity in human beings can often seem "boring" to a child, perhaps too the maturity of RUSH could be considered by some as less exciting. I happen to appreciate the odd time signatured music, as well as the the more-integrated pieces. We all have the freedom to like what we prefer to like, for whatever reasons. That's what makes RUSH so great. There's a lot of variety. As far as answering the initial question goes, I don't think I have enough hours in a day (or disk space on my Macintosh) to completely answer it as best I can, but at least I've offered something for people to shoot at. -Cris "End the need for Eden" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 90 00:14:41 EDT From: gordon@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (Del Gordon) Subject: Stages of Rush Subject: Stages of Rush Brad Armstrong writes: "I have noticed [...] that Rush has changed the style and content of their music over the years. I feel [...] that the Exit...Stage Left dividing line was not artificial. [..] What is the essential difference between, say, the period before Exit...Stage Left and the period after Signals (I think of Signals as kind of transitional, or at least more so than Moving Pictures)?" It's true that Rush seems set into a pattern of making 4 studio albums and then 1 live album. The pattern is evident in the following table, where live albums are enclosed in parentheses: STAGE 1 1974 - Rush, Fly By Night 1975 - Caress of Steel 1976 - 2112, (All the World's A Stage) STAGE 2 1977 - A Farewell to Kings 1978 - Hemispheres 1980 - Permanent Waves 1981 - Moving Pictures, (Exit Stage Left) STAGE 3 1982 - Signals 1984 - Grace Under Pressure 1985 - Power Windows 1987 - Hold Your Fire 1989 - (A Show of Hands) STAGE 4 1989 - Presto 1990 - ? {name this album} I think each *stage* is different, so there's *more* than one dividing line. Stages 1, 2, and 3 happen to exactly correspond to 3 salient stages in my life: High School, College, and Establishing a Career. I don't know what Stage 4 might signify, "Approaching Middle-Age" maybe? (eegads! :-( ) Naaah, how about "Post-Adolescence", or "Graduate School," or, dare I say, "Maturity"? So I think one could discuss the different attributes of each stage, but I don't think there's a *single* turning point (except when Neil joined the band! ;-). I think the members of the band continue to grow as individuals, and change, as we all do, hopefully for the better. Change is essential, and it is inevitable. I think Rush has been changing for the better all along. (Now we can discuss what "better" means ;-) One attribute that is definitely noticeable is Geddy's singing voice. It's obvious that he's relaxed his high-octane screaming over the years. The first time I ever heard Rush, I can still remember it clearly, it was their first album, RUSH. My first comment was, "What is this, Led Zep at 78 rpm?" Of course, after Neil joined Rush the world was uplifted a notch and I've been Rush-fanatical ever since. As for comparing stages, well, here's one type of comparison, for what it's worth: in Stage 1 they were more into Fantasy, Stage 2 it was more Science Fiction, while Stage 3 showed increasing interest in science and technology; and "real-world" problems have been a major theme since Stage 2. Just my opinions... and you know what opinions are like! No! Not that! Opinions are like belly-buttons... Well, time to stomp on the road. "Fly by night, goodbye my dear." /\ /\ /\ 1-0-0-1-0-0-1, S.O.S. 1-0-0-1-0-0-1, in distress. / \ /\/ \ /\/ \ /---- - --- - -------------- - --- - ------------------- \/ \/ \/ Del Gordon gordon@stars.reston.unisys.com |><- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 90 01:48:19 -0500 From: franks@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard M Franks) Somebody asked about ESL being a dividing line between the various peroids of the band, so here's my input. Apart from being the live album at the end of their second "quartet" of studio albums, I also see a change in influences in the music. Namely, The Police was/were an established influence at this time. Don't think so? The Gedster himself said so in an old issue of a guitar mag. The interviewer posed the question of The Police's influence, and Geddy said something to the effect that the sound of the whole band was changed by them. He also reflected on Sting's choice of notes and sense of melody. If anyone want's the exact quote, mail me and I'll see if I can dig it up. Dream band: drums: Carl Palmer Keys: Geoff Downs Guitar: Steve Howe Bass/Vocals: John Wetton Oh! Sorry! That was Asia(original) wasn't it? :-] But seriously, or at least as serious as I can be on this subject. Favorite musicians: Guitar: Alex, Gary Moore, Brian May, Beck Bass: Geddy, Squire, John Entwistle, Nathan East Drums: Neil, Carl Palmer, Stewart Copeland, Keith Moon Keys: Johnny Johnson (of Chuck Berry fame), Keith Emerson Lyrics: Neil, Lars Ulrich/James Hetfield Music: Pete Townsend, Geddy/Alex,..........the list goes on forever. See you later- Rich Franks franks@en.ecn.purdue.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Trial change Date: Thu, 16 Aug 90 08:19:19 EDT From: RUSH Fans Digest Manager <rush-mgr> This will only affect those of you who receive their mail via a Bitnet path, so the other 80% can ignore this. I've changed the name of the gateway handling mail between Internet and Bitnet from "umd2.umd.edu" to "cunyvm.cuny.edu". There should be no interruption in your service, and may facilitate things a bit. The Umd2 machine is a local machine which can act as a gateway, but is not an of- ficial Ineternet/Bitnet gateway, while Cunyvm is. If you encounter any problems due to this, let me know! Manager, RUSH Fans Mailing List ----------------------------------------------------------
To submit material to the Rush mailing list, send mail to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu For administrative matters (additions, deletions & changes), send mail to: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu The contents of the Rush Fans Digest are solely the opinions and comments of the individual authors, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the management. List Management ******************************** End of RUSH Fans Digest ********************************