The National Midnight Star #2167

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Fishie Eyelands Live albums Live Albums Great live albums, and another Rush sighting! Phil Collins vs Rush Because Neil CAN'T relax. . . 80's live albums rockline Where can I get Rockline in Text? Rush sighting a few little things Fastest Guitarist gulp... Morgan F>: Entre Nous Rockline (none) Politics and Rush RE: Conservative rush Fans are Hypocrites ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas <tommer@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:43:34 -0600 Subject: Dream Theater *fires* keyboard player - very little Rush Hey folks... If this has been discussed already, please scroll past this post. On Monday, Dream Theater fired keyboard player Derek Sherinian, and hired Jordan Rudess. For those of you who know who Liquid Tension Experiment is, that's what Dream Theater is now, except they have a different bass player, and include a singer! Personally, I think this move by DT was a very good one. I've heard many people say that DT's last album, "Falling Into Infinity" was a lot less progressive than their previous albums. Still, it leaves one to wonder...who's next to leave/get fired from the band? First it was Charlie Dominici, the singer on "When Dream and Day Unite", then Kevin Moore, the original keyboard player, leaves the band right after "Awake" was recorded, now Derek. Since we are all die hard Rush fans, and some of us are fans of Dream Theater as well, any thoughts on this? Anyone interested in any more info can visit http://www.dreamtheater.net Cheers! Tom ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Goofy" <drdiaz@wt.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:39:22 -0600 Subject: RUSH sighting the latest reported RUSH sighting is=20 2112 bytes static data=20 mscdex.exe stat v2.25 "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any = man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. " - Sir Winston Churchill Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen <sdkm@cableregina.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:34:56 -0600 Subject: phish i-lense one of the biggest complaints canadians have about Americans is that their audacious lack of knowledge of geography outside their own country. (by the way, saskatchewan is STILL in canada...remember, canada?...the iranian hostages. well, never mind.) obviously, the Fish Islands referred to in Limelight are located off an atoll of the balearic islands in the mediterranean sea. WHY they are mentioned in Limelight has always puzzled me. the islands are a greek tax shelter for aging impresarios and retired prostitutes -- where cigarette prices are through the roof and even a hamburger costs about ten bucks ! weird place. can't beat the beaches. because you have a right to know stephen melnyk regina, saskatchewan ps, how come no one on my tori amos mailing list uses words like 'tautology'? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: dfreeman@marin.k12.ca.us (Dan Freeman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fish eye lens (islands...heehee) On a real interpretive note, that is, if you are truly interested in the interpretation of what a "fish-eye lens" is, I may be able to offer something. "fish-eye" is a phenomenon that occurs when hot and and cold water are mixed. For example, when swimming in the warm waters off the coast of Kona, Hawaii, there are places where cold springs well into the warm ocean water from the floor 15-20 feet below. The effect is, when looking through goggles, to give the water a blurred, kiind of swirled look. if you want to see for yourself, check the toilet water for a minute or two after you've gone number 1. You should see a swirling effect between the cold water and the warm......uh...you know. So I guess a fish-eye lens might be a blurry lens, imperfect perception....whatever. (Fish)food for thought??? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:00:12 -0800 Subject: distortion and other forms of wanking >DARREN K. OVERCASH said: >John Petrucci can do anything Yngwie Malmsteen can do, except Petrucci >has emotion and plays with a band, whereas Malmsteen has a band that >plays with him! I always considered Yngwie to play with himself... Was listening to the Working Man tribute again, specifically Analog Kid. Terry Brown actually mixed that choppy mud and took credit for it? Yuccchhh! Sounded like a bunch of virtuosos missing all the subtleties and jsut trying to play faster, longer, and harder. What a waste. Stu Hamm, Steve Morse, and Fates Warning do well, among others. The 80's cheesemetal geeks should jsut pack up and go home. As far as noise goes--someone on this list is actually arguing that someone trying to play at lightning speed, screwing it up, then saying "fuck it" and cranking up the distortion to cover it is "groundbreaking?????" Give me a break! If you're going to play fast, then do it well. If you are using distortion for effect, then do it well! Is this so hard to understand? examples of good use of excessive distortion: Randy Rhoads Norman Greenbaum Jimmy Hendrix Al Geddy (Red Barchetta) get the idea? - mike http://cloak-dagger.com Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space age. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:19:45 -0800 Subject: Re: humor: Re: bad music biz humor a few CD's slated for release this year: REM -- "Same album, different effects pedal" Monotony Records Crash Test Dummies -- "Best of" (CD SINGLE) Where'dwego? Records New York Philharmonic Orchestra -- "The Symphonic Huey Lewis & the news" Laserlight Ice T -- "For my lovely wife" Kill everyone records Brandy -- "Same name, newer face" Plastic soundz The Totally hip ex-punk garage thrash trio -- "Live at the breakroom, Seattle" Estro-gen records Green Day -- "Now that Lollapalooza's gone, what are we to do?" Major Label records Hole -- "Tribute to Joan Jett: the very best of Hole" Gaggin' Records Wallflowers -- "...Did you notice how good looking we are??!" MCAT&T Smashing Pumpkins -- "More angst than last time." Techno/rave records Marilyn Manson -- "Bowie who???" Makeup Records Madonna -- "Girls just wanna be ethnic" Maveruckus Records John Denver -- "Part of the mountain: Greatest hits" Collision records Albums That Weren't Released in '98, But Watch Out in '99 Henry Rollins- Did I Ever Tell You About the Time I Almost Kicked Somebody's Ass? (Cue Ball) Harvey Fastbox 20- I Smell the Cut-Out Bin (15 Minutes) Rage Against the Machine- S-O-N-Y You Ain't Got No Alibi: Live at Some Guy's Beverly Hills Pool Party (Sony Home Video) The Swingsters- Swingin' Swing for Swingers! (Bandwagon) Benny Goodman- I'm Spinning in My Grave (Le Jazz Hot) Squirrel Nut Zippers- It's Not Our Fault, We Never Meant For This To Happen (Mammoth) Phish- Why Don't You People Get Jobs? (tour CD) Hanson- Give Us Five Years, We'll Be Robbing Liquor Stores (Kiddie Porn) Various Artists- Tribute to Somebody Famous Who Just Died a Week Ago (Cash-In) Jimi Hendrix- Very Best of the Greatest Hits Volume 1: Limited Edition Special Package (Remaster) (Suckers Born) Soundtrack- Return to the Valley of Titanic (I'll Buy Anything) Master P and the No Limit Family- We Have the Worst Art Department on the Entire Planet, But It Doesn't Matter Because Millions of Suburban White Kids Continue To Buy Everything We Put Out Anyway (No Limit) 2 Pac- I'm Dead, and Yet Somehow I Continue To Make Records. How Is This Possible? (Thug Life) The Offspring- Did We Mention That A Couple Of Us Are Working On Our Doctorates? (Epitaph) The Clash- Rancid Stole Our Entire Schtick and All We Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt (Epitaph) Goo Goo Dolls Live: We Can't Play That Song Because It's By Soul Asylum, So Stop Yelling For It (15 Years in The Music Industry and One Hit Ballad Destroys All Our Credibility Records) Hootie & The Blowfish- Wow, We're Suddenly Not All That Bad By Comparison (Golf Rock) Barenaked Ladies- Even We Can't Explain Our Universal Appeal (Payola) ORC: Geddy and Al seem like the kind of guys who would love this list. - mike http://cloak-dagger.com Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space age. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Loch" <lochadam@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:35:23 PST Subject: Aaarrgh! I'm listening to Rockline...every time Rush is on Rockline, somebody has to ask about the Gangster of Boats thing. It drives me nuts! Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm sitting with a good question getting busy signals, and the people who get on ask questions that they could have read the answers to in the FAQ. Sorry, I just needed to vent ;-) Adam ---------------------------------------------------------- From: musicman@m1.sprynet.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:59:11 -0600 Just got done listening to Rockline...... WOW...Finally answered some serious questions. They gave us some serious hope...even though they denounced the lack of plans for a future album, (and stating that they were in limbo) they told US, THE FANS, "THEY ARE CONTSTANTLY EVOLVING!!!!!" My question, if Man has evolved for over 100,000 years, dare we ask Rush to evolve for another couple years???? (PLEASE!!!!) Ged, Alex, Neil....if you guys read this...Thanks for everything! Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- From: harper@magiclink.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:12:34 +0000 Subject: RE: Geddy kicked Ged out of the band and got some other guy to play bass and they changed their name to Hadrian. Ged went off and started a rhythm & blues band called Judd and they got more shows and more business than "Hadrian". Ged even had to go to some of Hadrian's shows to help the guy who was singing with the words and the melodies. Eventually, Ged went back with Hadrian (Thank GOD!) and they switched their name back to Rush. Is that the real story? I don't know, but I do know that the B-Man was really tight with Rush for a while and got most of his info for the book from Ged and his wife and from various friends of the band and famiy members, so it's probably pretty close to how it actually happened. "Don't ask me, I'm just improvising..." Jaime ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:11:21 -0700 Subject: fish islands >Do the Fish Islands really exist? You know, the ones mentioned in >Limelight, "Living in the Fish Islands." What do they have to do with >the rest of the song? What? What does "Limelight" have to do with Marillion? Help, I'm confused! :-) Seriously, this is one of the coolest misheard lyrics I've ever seen. Whoever you are that wrote this, it's truly classic! Let it go down in Rush lore.... :-) And all you guys, don't flame him; it's an honest mistake and it's rather funny. Besides, I think I have a new idea for a song now! Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Billy Knapp <"BKnapp@worldnet.att.net"@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:59:46 -0800 Subject: RockLine broadcast Hello, If someone recorded the rockline broadcast with Geddy and Alex in its entirety, please privately e-mail me, I would like a copy. In exchange I am offering to make you a copy on cd, tracked and edited. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Watson" <watsond@idirect.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:01:52 -0500 Subject: One Item Hello out there. A few issues ago, someone posted pondering the whereabouts of the two 30-foot bunnies used during the Prest tour. This lead me to some heavy thinking(dreaming)... >...If you, the loyal fanatic, could have JUST ONE item from Rush History; what would it be? A 30 foot bunny? Alex's leather pants? A pair of Ged's Keds? Neil's Old Number 1 (his retired singerland snare - used all the way until TFE)? Or would it be the original cavas of the Power Windows album cover painting? 2112? The options are endless. What would you choose? For me it would be an easy choice. Geddy Lee's black 4001 Rickenbacker Bass. Complete with Rick-o-sound outputs :) That very same bass he bought with the grant the band was given to record FBN. The very same bass he wrote, recorded and performed every song from every album with, FBN to Permanent Waves (and some of Moving Pictures, too!). dw ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Watson" <watsond@idirect.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:02:00 -0500 Subject: Thread idea Here's an idea I've had for a message thread for a while... Try to compile a list of bands who site rush as an influence...here are a few of mine to start it off. Dream Theater Almost every band member sites Rush as a primary influence Radiohead In an interview passage regarding who they were influenced by: "When we were young, we listened to adolescent-type music...we were big into Rush and Genesis..." Bush During a much music interview: "Canadian bands...umm...RUSH!", bassist:"There's nothing wrong with Rush! Bad Company Lists Rush second in a bunch of names of bands they feel inspired them. Rheostatics Rhythm guitarist claims to still have an AFTK poster in his room. This band has had Neil Peart on their albums. Primus Les Claypool sites Geddy Lee as primary creative influence time and time again Metallica Lars Ulrich sites Neil as large influence, Master of Puppets (?) liner notes thanks Geddy,Alex,Neil I'm sure there are many more...add to the list! dw ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Cyg7@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:28:34 EST Subject: Definitive Rush Hi Rush-heads I want to make a Rush compilation tape for someone who claims never to have heard their music (or recognise it). So far the only track I feel has to go on it is Spirit of Radio, since it's the only Rush track that to my knowledge has ever been aired on UK radio (UK fans please tell me I'm wrong). My query is this: You've got a single 90-minute cassette to fill, and you want to make sure that the band's diversity is represented, yet every track should be definitive Rush. That is to say, you don't want to omit significant tracks just to make sure that each album is represented. Can you do it? Interested parties please post your suggestions here, as I may soon be changing my email address. Cheers, Cyg ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Vella <pve@balrog.panta-computer.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:11:54 +0100 (MET) Subject: Best Live Albums Results Hi again, Many thanks to all who responded. I received a lot of e-mails all recommending great live albums to listen to. I didn't want to keep all the information for myself, so here it is for all: Albums marked with a "&" were recommended by 2 or more e-mails. Albums marked with a "*" were recommended by 3 or more e-mails. Band Title ------------------------------------------------------------- AC/DC - If You Want Blood, You've Got It Allman Bros. - Live at Fillmore East Blue Oyster Cult - On your feet or on your knees Blue Oyster Cult - Some Enchanted Evening Cheap Trick - Live at Budokan (1978) Dave Matthews Band - Live At Red Rocks David Bowie - Live at the Tower Philadelphia (1972); Dream Theater - Once In A Livetime & ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition (1971) Fleetwood Mac - Live at the Boston Tea Party 1970 VOl 1. Frank Zappa - Live In New York G3 - Live in concert; Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Steve Vai. Genesis - Seconds Out (1977) * Iron Maiden - Live after Death & Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East Kansas - Two For The Show Kiss - Alive I & II * Led Zeppelin - BBC Sessions Lynard Skynard's - One More From the Road" (1976) from the Fox Marillion - The Thieving Magpie Marillion - Reel to Reel Max Webster - Live Magnetic Air Metallica - Live Shit Motorhead - No Sleep Till Hammersmith Ozzy Osborne - Speak of the devil Peter Frampton - comes alive (1977) & Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live Pink Floyd - Delicate Sound of Thunder Queen - at the BBC Queen - Live at Wembley Ramones - It's Alive Rush - grace under pressure tour video/soundtrack. Scorpions - World wide Live Talas - If we only knew then what we know now Ted Nugent - Double Live Gonzo The Who - Live At Leeds (1970) * Thin Lizzy - Live And Dangerous (1978) * Twelfth Night - Live at the Marquee U2 - Under a blood red sky UFO - Strangers In The Night.... Uriah Heep - Uriah Heep Live Yes - Yessongs Yes - Keys to Ascension These were the ones I originally posted: Whitesnake - Live in the heart of the City Queen - Live Killers Supertramp - Live in Paris Rush - All The Worlds a Stage, Exit..stage left, Different Stages Zeppelin - The Song remains the same Deep Purple - Made in Japan Pink Floyd - The Pulse Fleetwood Mac - The Dance If I receive a LOT more e-mail, as they are still coming in, I will update the list and re-post, IF you want me to. Thanks again for the e-mails. I hope this information will help to provide you with hours of listening enjoyment . pat.. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Cristiano Ceccato <nautilus@mail.bogo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:47:43 +0000 Subject: Geddy & 5, 6-String, fretless basses Hey y'all, Thanks for all your friendly comments on the Neil Nobel Prize Story. Cheers! A question I've been pondering for a while: Rush being the experimental, instrument-oriented band that they are - for example, Alex's 6/12 string guitars, Geddy's bass/guitar doubleneck, Neil's 'deconstruction' of his drumkit - how come Geddy only ever plays 4-string fretted bass? I read somewhere that 'Tears' on 2112 was done on fretless, and that he has fooled around with a 5-string for the low B, but knowing Rush, I would expect him to switch between a variety of basses - 4, 5, 6-string fretted and fretless basses - between songs. Why do you think he has never done this? Neil has experimented *a lot* with his kit and playing style, and I would have thought Geddy would equally want to progress... Comments? - Chris - ========================================== Cristiano Ceccato AADipl MSc(CS) DIC MIEEE E-Mail: nautilus@bogo.co.uk GSM Mobile: (+44) (0)411 141 545 ========================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Heloisa Martins" <HMartins@latasa.com.br> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 99 11:07:47 -0300 Subject: fish islands... you guys are really cracking me up with this "fish islands" stuff... someone even found out they really exist ! "that's entertainment !" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: eg1o@gdeb.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:33:09 -0500 Subject: Fishie Eyelands Hey Max; Yes, yes indeed there are some who just can't figure out the humor. Funny to see some of the predicted responses actually show up on the NMS. I could set my watch by them. Just remember to visit the little outcropping of rocks near Fisher's Island just off the coast of SE Connecticut. Check out the Plaque dedicated to RUSH and sample the fish... (or "catch the fish..." as the case may be). HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Rob ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Ramos <jose.ramos@digital.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:18:01 -0500 Subject: Live albums Patrick Vella wrote: "I am interested in picking up some great live albums. Would appreciate if you could e-mail me privately or post to the NMS your top 10 best Live albums ever. I'm a seventies/eighties guy so I tend to have albums like:" Patrick, pick up Neil Young's "Live Rust." It's my favorite Live Album. Better than any other live album I've ever heard, including the four Rush Lives. Peace, Max ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russell J. Thorpe" <rthorpe@tir.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:55:55 -0500 Subject: Live Albums These are some of my Favorite live albums besides those by Rush. 1. Yessongs (Yes) (Video really kicks ass) 2. Live After Death (Iron Maiden) 3. Frampton Comes Alive (Need I say?) 4. Baby Snakes (Zappa) 5. Live Bullet (Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band) 6. Alive (KISS) 7. Alive II (KISS) 8. Tribute (Randy Rhoads/Ozzy Osborne) 9. The Last Waltz (The Band) 10. Jimi Hendrix Live At Monterey Pop Festival 11. Live at Leeds (The Who) Just a few I could think of off the top of my head. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Russell J. Thorpe Systems Administrator Toyo Seat USA Corp. ph. (810)724-0300 ext.148 fax:(810)724-0684 ISO 9001/QS-9000 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ---------------------------------------------------------- From: cwise@mcp.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:04:30 -0700 Subject: Great live albums, and another Rush sighting! Hello again, Rush freaks! Patrick Vella was asking for other good live albums. Besides many of the ones he mentioned, I also LOVE Peter Gabriel's Secret World Live CD. The video is awesome, too. Paula Cole sings with him...BEFORE she let her nasty armpit hair grow! :-) I'm also an Aerosmith fan (I'll admit it...I've got a thing for Steven Tyler, which completely disgusts my husband). Their latest live release, A Little South of Sanity, is definitely a good one. I saw them live for the first time last October, and the CD is a good reminder of the energetic performance they gave that night. And another Rush sighting...sorry if this has already been mentioned by someone else. We were watching Mystery Science Theater 3000, and some bad Canadian movie was playing. The two main characters were trekking through the Canadian woods, and they came across a dilapidated shack. One of them said to the other, "Look! The birthplace of Geddy Lee!" Too funny. I've caught quite a few Rush references in that show! Well, I'm posting from work, so I guess I should get back at it! Have a good day, everyone! Caroline in the City ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Travis.L.Hayden@ucm.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:29:21 -0600 Subject: Phil Collins vs Rush Phill technically better than neil?? Thats almost laughable ;-) Phil is a very good drummer for some1 who wants to know the fundamentals of drumming: beats that fit well with the song, playing fills at the traditional periods of songs, etc. But neil is for the drummer who wants to take drums, percussions, etc to a new level. When I first started playing drums, I "learned" from phil. But as I progressed, I moved to more of the challenging stuff: stewart copeland (percussions and beats), peart (for *everything*) Who cares how neil looks?? Thats something I never understood why would anyone care how some1 looks when they play? Why he wont loosen up? Maybe because thats his style of playing. Phil plays more "relaxing" beats and fills when compared to peart. And neil takes himself very seriously, maybe a little too seriously.. ;-) some1 wrote: Haven't written for a while - but I'd like to get into a drummers debate here. Having loved Rush for nearly 20 years I'd like to know why Neil Peart can't loosen up on his kit. I mean if you see him live everything seems so intense. OK - so he's concentrating but there must come a point in his playing where he handled the percussion without thinking. Phil Collins on the other hand is so ridicilousy relaxed at the kit it's unbelievable!!! I personally think that Collins is technically the better drummer - utilising more percussive sounds from electronic kits etc. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: COP42194@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:45:35 EST Subject: Because Neil CAN'T relax. . . Zahid Hassan wrote: Having loved Rush for nearly 20 years I'd like to know why Neil Peart can't loosen up on his kit. I mean if you see him live everything seems so intense. OK - so he's concentrating but there must come a point in his playing where he handled the percussion without thinking. Phil Collins on the other hand is so ridicilousy relaxed at the kit it's unbelievable!!! I personally think that Collins is technically the better drummer - utilising more percussive sounds from electronic kits etc. Peart makes drumming look difficult - Collins eradicates any problems about drumming. First, let me say I am a Phil Collins fan and a drummer, so no flames about knocking Phil just because he is not Neil and not knowing what the hell I am talking about because I don't drum. Now, with that said, my points - 1. Neil is playing music that is much more difficult than the majority of stuff Phil plays live. This alone, regardless of the fact that I am sure Neil has played "Limelight" so many times that he can play it blindfolded & lefty, I am sure leads to his intense look. One does not want to start dropping notes in front of the paying customer, no? 2. Some drummers, regardless of the complexity of the music being played, look intense. One who looks relaxed, facially anyhow, behind the kit but still plays some mindblowing stuff is Carter Beauford of the Dave Matthews Band. Enough of my ranting! John ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Hanstones@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:55:06 EST Subject: 80's live albums Patrick Vella asked about live albums. As far as 70's/80's stuff: As has been mentioned before, "The Song Remains the Same" is pretty poor overall, both their performance and the recording. I would recommend getting the BBC Sesssions (much better). As far as live albums, Peter Gabriel has two great double live disks, the first is "Peter Gabriel Plays Live", which came out right after "Security", in '83 (before "So" was released). The other is "Secret World Live", from 94. Dire Straits did a 2cd set called "Alchemy" in '84, pre-"Brother in Arms". Also, U2's "Live Under a Blood Red Sky", from the "War" tour of 1983, covers their first three studio albums. If you like AC/DC their "If you want blood, you've got it" is from the Bon Scott era. Hanstones http://www.2112.net/powerwindows <-- "Look around -- at the sight and the sound" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: rockline Ugh!!!! I missed the rockline interview last night. Is there some place where I can get a transript of it. If not, what did they talk about. Rush future, new Victor album.....? later all == John ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michelle Zagari" <novawoman@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:07:21 PST Subject: Where can I get Rockline in Text? Due to previous engagements *ahem* I wasn't able to catch Rockline last nigt. In lieu of sobbing all day today, I read some INTERESTING (to say the least) things on TNMS message board today..... Someone, anyone, PLEASE email me to let me know if they're re-running it or if I can somehow get a text/audio copy of it. I'd appreciate it! ~rushwoman P.S. "Restless Youth" the hottest new Rush Tribute band to hit the NEW YORK metro area will be appearing at the Irish Pub in Baldwin New York, Saturday, January 30th at 10:00PM! You cannot miss these guys- a truly amazing band. No cover charge! email me for info! ~r ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Nimmo" <steve.nimmo@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:15:36 -0000 Subject: Rush sighting An unbelievable thing has just happened. I was watching a consumer programme on TV. It was about the Fiat Barchetta. Suddenly I heard 'Wind in my hair...' I couldn't believe it. It's the first time I've heard Rush on British TV in more than a decade. By the way, I just saw Andrew Segal's posting about Rush tribute bands coming to Plymouth England. I live in Plymouth England too. If there's any chance of a tribute band coming here I'd be interested. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Hesse" <hesse_j@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:31:40 CST Subject: a few little things Fastest guitarist: This thread is quite interesting. What started as a simple query about how could play the most notes per second (acknowledging that Speed Isn't Everything) has turned into an Yngwie Sucks debate. So who really can play the most notes per second? Is this in the Guiness Book of World Records? Expressive guitarists: I like Gary Chandler of Jadis, and Robert Fripp (especially his Soundscapes). Drumming: Neil and Phil are two completely different animals. Why bother comparing them? Neil rocks, but he has to concentrate more. Phil rocks, but he's not as diverse, or as "dazzling" as Neil. Garth Brooks: Again, two completely different animals. Garth rocks, but in a different way. He's more business-savvy, and has more mass appeal than Rush. Hence his debut(s) at #1. Live albums: Marillion "The Thieving Magpie", Anglagard "Buried Alive", Primus "Suck On This", King Crimson "The Night Watch". Rock on. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M. Campbell" <David.Campbell@po-box.esu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:50:54 -0500 Subject: Fastest Guitarist On this thread... Don't get pissed because people are having an intelligent discussion about this. No one said that speed is "better" than tone, or phrasing, or timing, or emotion, or anything else. We simply wanted to talk about ONE aspect of playing the guitar...speed. Playing fast is indeed a talent, and deserving of recognition. So let us do that, please. That being said...I am sure that Steve Vai, although a popular and somewhat commercial choice, is the BEST guitarist ever to play. On his technical abilities, he has no peers. On his creative ability and songwriting, he has no peers. Anyone over listen to "Passion and Warfare?" Extraordinary music. He has an ever flowing well of creative ideas, and each and every song seems to capture something never heard before. On his emotional side...Steve always plays from his heart. Check out the solo in "For the Love of God" or "Animal" for examples of this. Or, give "Sex and Religion" a spin and pay particular attention to the second side tracks. On his tone, I have heard better. But, you can't be perfect. I read a story in a magazine once about Steve Vai when he and Eddie Van Halen played together once. Steve was basically complimenting Eddie, he is not a pretentious or boastful man. But Eddie was saying that he was trying to play this passage he had heard once in some song, and he was having trouble getting his fingers to play what he was hearing. The phrasing was strange, and the notes didn't flow easily. He was talking with Steve about this, and apparently after hearing Eddie describe it and try to play it, Steve plugged in and whipped out the entire passage perfectly in one take, and Eddie was amazed. Just my opinion on this! Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Rocke <robert.rocke@yale.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:56:27 -0500 Subject: gulp... Missed ROCKLINE last night. Had horrible visions that this was their time to announce that they're calling it quits. Is it not strange to do a Rockline well AFTER a new (live) album's debut??? I await a transcription of the event. [gulp], -Rob Rocke. ____________________________________________________________________________ "The only ones for me are the mad ones. Mad to live, mad to learn, mad to speak; desirous of everything at the same time. They never yawn or say a common place thing but burn, burn, burn like a fabulous Roman candle..." ____________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: YYZEEE@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:47:07 EST Subject: Morgan F>: Entre Nous Morgan F.---I am glad to know that Entre nous did the same for you as it did for me. >>>>>>>> borrowed some lyrics from 'Entre Nous' to woo a girlfriend, who later became a wife.<<<<<<<<< I too used this song to impress the love of my life. 7 years, 3 kids later. She loves that song like I do! Gerry "ZOBZ" Zobrist ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "JK74" <JK74@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:05:36 -0800 Subject: Rockline Rush Mgrs- The Rockline here in Philly last night was a rebroadcast of a '89 = segment with Pete Townsend. I'm a little confused. John ---------------------------------------------------------- From: maxrich@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:10:43 -0600 I read about "The Great Kat" in the last posting, and went to the site = listed <greatkat.com>. Does anyone know what's up with this. I can't = tell if this is some sort of joke or not. She is supposedly (according = to some comments she had listed) better and faster than anyone including = Vai, Malmsteen, and Satriani. She looks like some sort of devil = worshipper slut to me, but I'll give it a listen if it's any good. = Comments? Info? "You can be the captain, and I will draw the charts. Sailing into = destiny, closer to the heart" Max Richard ---------------------------------------------------------- From: S H <happster@flash.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:07:11 -0700 Subject: Politics and Rush Who cares about politics? How can anyone say that because I don't agree with Rush's liberal song lyrics I cannot be as great a Rush fan as the liberal camp? Maybe I just like the music because it's great. I can appreciate evocative and interesting lyrics without trying to figure out if they mesh with my personal view of how the world should be! A very conservative Rush fan for 20 of my 31 years on this planet! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "None of your business." <jamesq@one.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:37:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Conservative rush Fans are Hypocrites Bassplyr1@aol.com wrote... "How could any Rush fan be a conservative?" <laughing> How could any Rush fan be a liberal??? (sorry, couldn't resist) :-) "They would have to be either deaf or unable to understand English." Actually, I hear prety well, and I have a prety good grasp on the English language. "Or they lived in some fairy-tale land in their head." Some place like the (get ready....) Fish Islands perhaps??? <rim shot> "I thought only the truly educated people were liberals." Well, there's where you made your mistake. <grins> Before you can have a good, intelectual conservitive/liberal debate, you hvae to define what a conservitive and liberal is. I call myself a conservitive. I believe in independant thought. I work hard to achieve my own goals and I believe everyone else should to. I believe we are solely responsible for where we end up in this life. I also believe that the role of government is to take care of the defense of the nation and deal with other national matters, yet otherwise stay out of people's lives. I don't see where any of these beliefs are inconsistant with listening to rock music in general, or Rush in particular. When I listen to Rush, I am inspired (Marathon), reminded that I control my own destiny (Freewill), informed and educated (Force 10 - Manhattan Project), and generally entertained (pick 40+ other songs from their catalog). I can also listen to someone who doesn't necessarily reflect my own beliefs and appreciate their point of view. When I read "The Masked Rider", I was very supprised by Neils personal views during the discussion he had with the others. Although I used to think that Neil was one of the "Bleeding Heart" style liberals, I was supprised to learn that his views on the environment, society, government, etc., were all very similar to my own. You should be careful when you group people together who you don't know. Then again, I find many liberals tend to do that for some strange reason. Perhaps it's easier to "redistribute the welth" that way. <smiles> Peace, - Jim - _________________________________ ___ | | | \ Jim Questa - Unix Shell | jamesq@one.net | | \ http://w3.one.net/~jamesq/ |_______________________________|_|_____| Questa Songworks / Bad Habit (_)(_) (_)(_) (_) ----------------------------------------------------------
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