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The National Midnight Star, Number 2158
Tuesday, 15 Dec 1998
Today's Topics:
Rush moment
backup copies of DS
calling all racing fans
DS Live Concert VHS and/or DVD
An Observation
Re: 1st Epic Song
Answer to "Why the Odeon show?"
Re: 12/14/98 - The National Midnight Star #2157
Hall of Fame reprise
Matt's Rush Graph from 1-20
It's not the size of your Notes that counts
re: Rush Remasters
a limited edition ?
by the way...
Re: This subject title was written at 00:12 of the entire writing process
Deeper Into the Rhythm Method
A CD is a CD, and digital is digital.....
Hall of Fame
Neil on Rheostatics cd
DS
D
RUSH!! whoo1!
BMG discs - inferior?
Rush sighting at Wal Mart
Dinosaurs
Dinosaurs
prism records
BMG
Yo La Tengo Video
RE: Fastest Guitarist, etc.
Raw sax
it's hot in here
Journey Concert Review (Rush Mentioned)
DS Just hit Gold!!
RE: Enhanced CD
Who would've thought...
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From: Tracy Smith <tsmith@wahoo.sjsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:19:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rush moment
This was a total surprise Rush moment. It happened last Wednesday, around
6 p.m. or so...
I was driving home from a particularly rough day at work and happened to
switch channels to 93.1 Arrow, here in Southern California. It is an
oldies-type station, rock and roll 60-70s stuff.
I was completely surprise to here New World Man...I don't think I have
ever heard that song on the radio...others may have, but not me.
I sat there enjoying the moment and then triply enjoyed the DJs talking
about how great Rush *is*, how wonderful they are as muscians, and Neil
as a writer. It was great (one of the DJs was Joe Benson...late of KLOS
and probably KMET???). I should have not been surprised but I was to have
such a great moment and so out of the blue!
There is hope yet... :-)
Tracy
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Tracy Smith
" Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you help
them to become what they are capable of being." ~ Johann W. von Goethe ~
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From: Dainis Garuts <dainis@yikes.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:06:50 -0800
Subject: backup copies of DS
Benjamin Leimkuhler <bel3697@griffon.mwsc.edu> wrote:
>On another note, I think I am going to go out and buy a second copy of DS
>to use as a backup. This is because disc 3 is only a limited time bonus
>disc. Someday if my disc gets broken, scratched, lost or whatever, I may
>not be able to go out and buy another one. So I think we all ought to go
>out and buy our backup copies now, and also increase DS sales in the
>process.
I've been making it a habit to burn a copy of every cd I buy because mine
always get scratched/broken/overplayed/stolen. I just file the originals in
my closet and burn more as the copies wear out. It's a nice benefit to
having a burner, and it keeps the covers/inserts/etc in mint condition.
cheers
d
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From: Rushindy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:51:01 EST
Subject: calling all racing fans
I know the rush-mgr doesn't like advertising on the page, so I'm just going to
ask for anyone on the list who is into racing to send me an e-mail. I've got
a new site up that you may be interested in.
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From: Javier Reyes <javier@oeihq.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:19:43 -0600
Subject: DS Live Concert VHS and/or DVD
Does anyone know when the live video for DS will be released?
Is it only offered in DVD?...or also in VHS format?
__________________________________________________
Javier I. Reyes
Oller Engineering, Inc.
CADD Manager
Certified Asbestos Inspector & Management Planner
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From: Michael Allan Leach <maleach@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:36:54 +0000
Subject: An Observation
December 14, 1998
To all Rush fans,
Okay. I must make an observation. I went to see Rush in Atlanta during
the "Roll the Bones" tour, and I must state that it appears that true
die hard Rush fans are older, married, have college educations, and are
conservative. Yes, I've spoken with many true Rush fans, and they all
seem to be "thinking" people.
It pleases me to know that this fact. I think I'm the greatest Rush fan
on the face of the Earth--I'm sure some of you would kindly
disagree--however, at least let me think that I am! :-)
In conclusion, I just wanted to point out that Rush is the "Thinking
Man's Band." I know plently of Republicans who concur with me. And we
all know that Republicans are really the only one's in the Congress that
have any real sense. You know, "I think; therefore, I am Republican."
Have a nice day.
Michael
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From: Hanstones@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:58:11 EST
Subject: Re: 1st Epic Song
Matt Maholchic said the the first Rush epic was 'Xanadu'".
I'm gonna have to disagree with your policework there, Margie (bad Pulp
Fiction reference). I would say that weighing in at over 8.5 minutes, "By-tor
and the Snowdog", from FBN, would be the first epic song. Unless that doesn't
break the epic barrier (as far as length is compared).
Hanstones
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows <- "Rejoicing echoes..."
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From: Hanstones@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:43:18 EST
Subject: Answer to "Why the Odeon show?"
Erik DePoy asked:
> Was this Hammersmith run the only
> shows that were taped that tour?
This may have been answered by now, but...I remember from a recent interview
on TNMS that the Odeon show was originally recorded for a radio broadcast but
Ged didn't like his vocal performance at the time. I assume that they had the
full array of recording equipment for that show that wan't typically present
for every show.
Hanstones
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows <- "Visions of splendour"
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From: "Alan N" <alann@roava.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:16:31 -0500
Subject: Re: 12/14/98 - The National Midnight Star #2157
>>I feel that production on DS is piss poor.
>>Where is the clarity and room for dynamics that I
>>hear in other bands live recordings. The mix sounds just like the audio
>>mix of the laserdisc of ASOH. That was also produced by Geddy. I think
>>Geddy should stick to bass instead of sitting in front of a sound
>>console.
>
>Whoa, are you listening to the same album as the rest of us? Anyone else
>feel this way? I'd like to know what your example of a better sounding
>live album is? Or am I missing the sarcasm?
Yea, really. He must be listening to DS on a $39.95 Ghetto Blaster from
an undisclosed discount store!
Like I posted before. Just listen to Test for Echo. At least on my system,
Neil's double bass about blows you out of the chair! I think this is one of
the best recorded LIVE CD's I've owned. Compared to ASOH, much better.
Compared to ESL -- FAR BETTER. * I think that recording sucked!*
ATWAS is better.
I think the sound quality of DS is great. I would find it hard to do better
than they did.
*BTW* I'm a broadcast engineer (TV) and listen to HIGH end gear all day.
This CD
thru all of our rooms that CD's can be listened to ( 7 ) is awesome.
But ANOTHER note here.. Something I've noticed..
Closer to the Heart..
In Alex's lead section there is a "white noise" type thing.. Only present
through the lead section and
then it fades away.. Almost like "tape" noise..
Anyone ELSE noticed this?
I'm not saying anything is taped. ( I'm sure its not!! )
But it's just ODD to me.. This NOISE...
Alan
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From: Pete <trigeek@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:03:16 -0500
Subject: Hall of Fame reprise
>From: Rob Pagano <pagano@intac.com>
>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:39:47 -0500
>Subject: RE: Hall of Fame
>
>Hey Pete <trigeek@mindspring.com>, hate to say it but I think if
>anyone's IQ needs raising, it's obviously yours and not the reader
>base of TNMS. Since you had such a problem with my "suggestion" of
>ribbons maybe you should take the time to actually READ my post to
>see that I was making a JOKE. But apparently my joke was far too
>subtle to sink into your thick cranium.
Pretty harsh words Rob. I must have really caught you on a bad day. The
fact is, I knew it was a joke, everyone knew it was a joke. You told us it
was, remember dildo?
>Furthermore, if you think Rush doesn't belong in the ROR HOF then maybe
>you ought to take it up with the management of the NMS Website, since
>it's their campaign. Maybe you ought to simply stop reading TNMS.
Rob, why don't you read MY post. I never said Rush didn't belong in the
ROR HOF. I said we shouldn't want them in there because, given the mass of
undeserving rif raf that is in it, Rush is too good for it. If you want to
twist my words to fit your intention, then run for political office as a
liberal.
And in keeping with your liberal-like illogic, you seem to veil the
suggestion that a dissenting (mine) should not be tolerated on the NMS,
i.e. if I dissent, then I better get the hell of the reader list.
<snip because all you did was agree with me>
>So if we want to honor our favorite band by pushing to get them
>inducted, you should let us.
Who's stopping you? Oh yeah, the ROR HOF called me today, said they saw my
post and used it as the determining factor to deny Rush's induction.
>If you don't, then fine just step aside.
Here we go again with the censorship thing. "So you don't want Rush in the
HOF, then get the fuck off our NMS!"
>I'm sure all the RUSH TRIBUTE WEBSITES out there take up PLENTY of
>bandwidth on the internet (mine included), but if someone told us not
>to do it because "90% of the bands with tribute sites are losers, and
>the other 10% are mainstream appealists", guess what? I doubt any of
>us would take our sites down.
And I guess if 90% of the people told you to jump off Niagara
Falls..............
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From: "Eric J. Wheelock" <wheelock@onramp.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:09:15 -0600
Subject: Matt's Rush Graph from 1-20
Hi Matt! I found that post very interesting and actually quite insightful.
The one problem I had was with the parting comments on GuP. I realize it
was partly in jest and EVERYONE has a right to their own opinion and all
but, it being one of my favorite Rush albums I wanted to comment a bit...
paste-
You wrote:
20) Grace Under Pressure (Rush's black album, released in the Reagan vs. the
Evil Empire/"The Day After" early 80s...this is the band's weakest effort,
with dinky drums, a feeble attempt to sound like a mainstream 80s pop band
like Night Ranger or Journey, and pessimistic, Floydish songs about the
aftermath of the dreaded global nuclear prom. Let Floyd play Floyd...Rush's
only song that conveys their message is 'Kid Gloves'...the only song that
doesn't leave you with an impulse to slash your wrists).
end paste-
I agree! GuP *is* Rush's "black album"! I just don't see anything wrong
with that though! Sure they took a darker course but those were darker
times. For instance, the Cold War, the confusion in air as to "what is
right" politically and spiritually across the globe, and don't forget the
death of their close friend that led to the song Afterimage. That song
means alot to me personally, the words convey their meaning well without
being contrite IMHO. I definately disagree that they were trying to be
"Pop" though, yes they cut their hair and were going through an 80's
"High-Tech" phase (i.e. The song Body Electric had a sort of pre-Computer
Age aprehension about it, Alex's guitar effects, etc..) but they would
never degridate into Night Ranger or Journey clones! Yikes! I agree that
the drum mix was a bit dinky but I believe the drumming on the song Red
Lenses was very creative IMHO. Also, the song Red Sector A is one of my
faves, despite the heavy subject matter lyrically, musically it keeps an
upbeat tone to compensate. It *is* their darkest album but I don's see
that as neccesarily bad. It's just a phase they pushed through. Anyway, I
enjoyed your post! It freaks me out when i anazlyze Rush this much but I
wanted to throw it out...
Eric
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From: John Jorgensen <jorgense@mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:21:02 -0600
Subject: It's not the size of your Notes that counts
To Alvaro Graves who asked:
> Just to feed my curiosity.. Can somebody tell me who is the fastest
>guitarrist in the world? How many notes per minute?....
It's not how many notes you play, it's how you use them!
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From: Kevin Haines <khaines@asc.corp.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:55:27 +1030 (CST)
Subject: re: Rush Remasters
Gang,
Am I the only person who was a little disappointed with the quality of
the remastering of Hemispheres? Specifically, the tape hiss at the
start of La Villa bugs me. I know on the Led Zeppelin Remasters they
did an exceptional job of cleaning stuff like that up, so my question
is was Geddy, Alex or Neil involved in the Remastering, or was this
all done by Mercury? In the case of the Led Zep stuff, Jimmy Page
himself was heavily involved in the remastering process and I suspect
that contributed to the excellent job done.
As far as I can recall I didn't notice this sort of tape hiss in
Rivendell, so would this have something to do with the level of
dynamics in La Villa?
Kev
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Deadline approaches for the weary land
It used to be something but we let it run down in our hands
- Neil Peart
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From: Laureti David <lauretid@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:09:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: a limited edition ?
Rush-mgr,
Someone in this forum stated that DS, with the ODEON 3rd disc was a
LIMITED edition. Is this true ? I personnaly don't think that it's true.
I mean, why are they going to re-release DS with only the two CP and T4E
shows ? Well, maybe it's for this reason why the third disc is boxed
separatly ?
Anyway, I bought a second copy of DS (18.79 $ at Future Shop, a deal
anyway!) just in case!
Thanks
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From: Laureti David <lauretid@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:12:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: by the way...
By the way...
Is anybody noticed that weird sound during Closer to the Heart Solo ? It
seems to be some kind of "Vento Vox" from the synths but it sounds weirdo!
Dave
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From: Gregor Prahl <LaVilla@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:14:44 -0500
Subject: Re: This subject title was written at 00:12 ...
Hey Imanaz,
did you ever think of simply programming your CD player with those 7 songs
(app. 7-8 buttons) and just READ how long 2112 actually is on the display ?
And you don't really have to be obsessed about 2112 to do that.
greg
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From: "B.J. Morgan" <bjmorgan@indstate.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:02:05 -0500
Subject: Deeper Into the Rhythm Method
Hola Rush Fanatics,
Pining the hours away now that the marching season is over and performance
juries are finished, I've taken some time to break down the Rhythm Method.
Of course, I deem this a WORTHY waste of my time solely because I hate
studying for finals. Apathy, thy name is B.J.
In response to Keith's post in the #2157 issue:
I've taken a closer listen to the section you were mentioning. Amongst the
groove, I did notice a couple synth snare-ish inner beats that may have
constituted your buzzing, but then, listening close,r I also came across
something most drummers take for granted: The HI-HAT! Yesiree, at 4:11
Neil digs into the offbeat hi-hat "snips" that usually go unnoticed. It
helps keep time and adds more to the groove up until the backbeat (2 and 4)
enters at 4:40. Perhaps that's what you're referring to? All the filler
stuff around it is all synth percussion, except for the toms. Your hi-fi is
working just fine. Good ears.
I analyzed the Rhythm Method using Theme and Variation. It's actually done
in 3 "movements" with 4 distinctive themes (maybe more) and their
variations. It's pretty cool, too, because Neil's stays relatively
consistent with doing changes near the minute or :30 second marks. I think
he's timing the whole thing, but I could be wrong. I never was much good in
that-there theory class I done took (Huk! Spitooey!), so critique all you
want.
The Rhythm Method
1st Movement - The Neil also Waltzes
0:00 - Theme 1 - Waltz theme
0:58 - Variation 1
2nd Movement - Solo Trading
2:00 - Theme 2 - Straight rhythms
2:31 - Variation 1 - Trading licks with marimba
3:04 - Theme 3 - Set off by 1st "horsetrack" motive
3:30 - Solo Variation 1 - Set off by 2nd "horsetrack" motive
3:55 - end of movement
3rd Movement - Musicality Matters
3:55 - Introduction - Reverberating toms
4:10 - Theme 4 - Street beats
4:57 - Variation 1 - Tonal section
5:27 - Intro to Variation 2 - bass drum
5:30 - Variation 2 - Bongo street beat
6:05 - Interlude - Reverberating toms recap.
6:20 - Recap of Theme 3 - Intro to var. 3
6:53 - Variation 3 - Cowbell street beat
7:04 - Intro to Theme 4
7:17 - Theme 4 - Kicks
7:26 - Variation 1 - Trading 2's
8:00 - Big Finish!
There's a lot of room for argument in this one, but it's very interesting to
pick out the different sections. And if you dare read on...
Silly Sighting Sidenote:
My 21st birthday is this week in December, so you could say I'll be 21 in
12. (Insert your "how-lame-is-that" remarks here)
See you in Xanadu,
B.J. Morgan
Music Industry Association
http://thunder.indstate.edu/~musicia
Indiana State University Drumline
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/7797/drumline.html
_ . _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . _ . _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ . .
If a man does not keep pace with his companions,
perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.
Let him step to the music he hears,
however measured or far away.
- Henry David Thoreau, "Walden," 1854
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From: Christopher Murray <cjm18@psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:07:40 -0500
Subject: A CD is a CD, and digital is digital.....
>>How have you arrived at the conclusion that the sound quality of BMG
>>products is inferior to "standard run" disks? A CD is a CD, and
>>digital is digital.
>From this statement it is obvious that the person who made this statement
is someone who has never tried doing digital audio extraction between
CD-ROM and CD-Recorder or writing his own wave files.
Now, I don't claim that DAE is the same process as used by BMG for
creating/pressing their CD's, but the statement "digital is digital", when
it comes to CD's, is not accurate, as I have learned over the past few
months. For those who don't believe this, check out the CD-Recording FAQ.
Just setting the record straight.
Chris
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From: rodney beeson <rodbeeson@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hall of Fame
I've got to say that I think it is rather arrogant of us to be
commenting on whether Rush would like to be inducted into the HOF. I
don't mean that we shouldn't express out opinion, but I think the real
issue is how would Rush feel?
It would be recognition by the industry and the fans of their years of
hard work, amazing contribution to music, and inspiring many other
bands and musicians. Just because we would like to think that we are
unique because we are Rush fans (and I include myself in that group),
it doesn't necessarily mean that Rush would feel lessened or
denigrated to be acknowledged and honored for their achievements by an
established and popular institution.
I'm sure that almost all of us has been honored for something at some
point in our lives, and I would dare to speculate we felt pretty good
about it whether or not we were enamored with the entity that
recognized us.
Just MHO,
Mary Jo Plews
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From: "James M." <hopeflguy@sprint.ca>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:16:16 -0500
Subject: Neil on Rheostatics cd
Just to point out, and ESPECIALLY to Michael Z. Williamson, that Neil
plays on an album by the Canadian band Rheostatics song called "Guns",
which is a really cool tune by the way, and is ALSO VERY PRO-GUN
CONTROL!!! Neil also stated in a MuchMusic interview that he conducted
with then nominee Prime Minister Jean Chrietien that he believes ALL
guns should be out-lawed!! Why the hell are you fascinated with
weapons..are you afraid of the world or something? This IS Rush related,
considering Neil IS pro-gun control, anti racist and anti homophobic.
James
-
"You can fight..fight without ever winning..
But NEVER EVER win...win without a fight"
Neil Peart, Rush, Resist
"DESTROY ANAL RETENTIVENESS: Rid yourself of spell checkers
and day planners.." JM
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From: rodney beeson <rodbeeson@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DS
>From Atlantic Records:
"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from Rush,
has been certified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess of
500,000 units. With this, their 22nd gold album certification, the
Canadian
trio is now fourth among groups on the RIAA's all-time gold
certification list, a tally topped only by the Beatles (38), the
Rolling Stones (37), and Kiss (23). The feat is especially notable in
that it also extends Rush's consecutive gold certification streak to
22, which represents their entire catalog. "DIFFERENT STAGES" and
debuted on the Billboard 200 at #35, with a bullet!! Get the inside
scoop on the making of "DIFFERENT STAGES," and much, much more -- check
out the exclusive Rush FANCAST in the DigitalArena on the Atlantic web
site. For this very special online event, Rush members Geddy Lee and
Alex Lifeson stopped by our Digital Arena Studio in New York City and
answered online fans' questions in an interactive interview moderated
by renowned music journalist Lisa Robison. This is a rare, in-depth
look at these living legends -- an event that any fan of the band, or
any fan of rock & roll for that matter, does not want to miss!
http://www.atlantic-records.com/rush
Regards,
Mary Jo Plews
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From: p_ferrara@juno.com (Paul J Ferrara)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:11:28 -0500
Subject: RUSH!! whoo1!
snippit from Spew Newsletter from atlantinc records:
<snip>
*RUSH ACHIEVES 22ND CONSECUTIVE GOLD ALBUM WITH "DIFFERENT STAGES"*
"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from Rush, has
been certified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess of 500,000
units. With this, their 22nd gold album certification, the Canadian trio
is now fourth among groups on the RIAA's all-time gold certification
list, a tally topped only by the Beatles (38), the Rolling Stones (37),
and Kiss (23). The feat is especially notable in that it also extends
Rush's consecutive gold certification streak to 22, which represents
their entire catalog. "DIFFERENT STAGES" and debuted on the Billboard
200 at #35, with a bullet!! Get the inside scoop on the making of
"DIFFERENT STAGES," and much, much more -- check out the exclusive Rush
FANCAST in the DigitalArena on the Atlantic web site. For this very
special online event, Rush members Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson stopped by
our Digital Arena Studio in New York City and answered online fans'
questions in an interactive interview moderated by renowned music
journalist Lisa Robison. This is a rare, in-depth look at these living legends
- an event that any fan of the band, or any fan of rock & roll for that
matter, does not want to miss!
http://www.atlantic-records.com/rush
</snip>
Mr. Paul J. Ferrara -- Toms River, NJ
E-Mail- P_Ferrara@Juno.com AOL/AIM- EchomanX1 ICQ- 12436578
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"Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes"
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From: Jim Questa <jamesq@mail.one.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:12:41 +0100
Subject: BMG discs - inferior?
ThomLarsen@aol.com wrote:
"What do you mean BMG discs are inferior? I'd heard this before, but I
thought it was determined that the CD's from the CD clubs (ie. BMG,
Columbia House) are of the same quality of those you buy in the store?"
BMG tends to "Remaster" the DC from a copy of the master tape. You will
notice on many BMG releases, the Song lengths (time of the cut) is
different, and when you A/B the BMG release to the original, you'll notice
a difference at the point the fade starts, or even sometimes the order of
the songs.
Someone else (perhaps the same person) wrote:
"How have you arrived at the conclusion that the sound quality of BMG
products is inferior to "standard run" disks? A CD is a CD, and
digital is digital. Manufacturers don't make separate CD pressings for
retailers and marketers like BMG or Columbia House. If you disagree, I
invite you to prove me wrong."
Some of us (especially a seasoned musician) can tell the difference right
off. And don't let the simple fact that both are CD's and both are digital
confuse you to believe they are simply the same.
A CD is "pressed" from a "Glass Master". How this glass master is produced
will determine how the end product will sound. A Glass Master is produced
by running the mastered DAT (Digital Audio Tape) or other source (these
day's, sometimes even a mastered CD) through the Glass Mastering machine,
and cutting the Glass Master. Now, the quality of the input between two
different Glass Master machines could be identical, but the output onto the
Disc could be wide ranging depending on:
1) The saturation of the digital signal into the Mastering Machine
2) The quality of the Analogue to Digital and Digital to Analogue
converters in the Mastering Machine.
3) The quality of the sound source, as many master tapes used to make
these "Remastered" discs are inferior to the orignal.
4) The quality of the presses that reproduce the CD's from the
glass masters
Here's something else to consider - and it's technical in nature. Now, I
feel I'm a bit qualified to discuss this because I do some mastering of
locally produced CD's in the Greater Cincinnati Area:
There is a process when mastering a digital sound sourse (tape or CD) to be
pressed for CD or Cassette called "Dithering". Dithering actually adds a
small amount of "distortion" to the final mix. It's inaudible to the human
ear - what it does is makes the CD "warmer sounding" and a bit less harsh
to the listener. If you were to take a product that was previously
Dithered and try to remaster it, the sound will suffer once again.
Let's just say that the only way BMG is going to make money off of material
that has already been released by a major lable, or a major hit at rock
bottom prices, they're going to have to cut corrners. The sound quality
will suffer.
Jim -
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From: rinckster@webtv.net (The Rinckster)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:48:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rush sighting at Wal Mart
just thought you might like to know that, on december 14 at least, two
sealed beam halogen headlamps for a 1985 plymouth reliant, from wal
mart, cost $21.12
the cashier wondered why i laughed
sweet!
serenity courage wisdom just for today
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From: "Mark Mars" <mars2112@netusa1.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:58:55 -0600
Subject: Dinosaurs
The crew pulled the dinosaur gag at both the shows (Cincinnati and =
Dayton) I went to on T4E. The only difference was the sign said: =
"They're not the only dinosaur trio still playing."
I thought it was pretty funny and definitely gave the crowd some extra =
entertainment. Not that we need any.
Later
Mars
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From: "Chris Dodd" <bikeman@vol.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:25:59 -0500
Subject: Dinosaurs
In response to Laurie:
I atttended the Nashville, TN show and during the show, Alex ran around
behind the amp and began making the dino dance to the music. Geddy had the
same reaction when he turned to look. What a hoot!
Also, had my first used DS sighting at the local shop. Price: $18.95 Now
who would do that?
>...and it wasn't even a promo...
Take care everyone,
Chris the bikeman
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From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:10:58 -0800
Subject: prism records
>Chris Delp said:
> prism records
>ive been waiting for the balence of my order too. i got part of it, but
>i im in for about 80 bucks. im not too worried though. if i dont get my
>shit or a refund sooner or later, ill put in a call to the attormy
>general of az, and ill be sure pass that info along. i know the location
>of his bussiness and other tid bits that should make him pretty easy to
>find. just think how the IRS would appriciate this knowledge! i
>estimated several thousand dollars of income buy his back log lists, as
>well as the fact the his cost per disc was definatly no more than 2
>bucks a peice.
Chris
I see it now: "Yes, Attorney General's office? I arranged to buy
contraband merchandise from this guy, and..." How will you prove he
offered it? How will you prove you paid him? How will you prove
anything? And BTW: the CD's only cost a buck a piece. The labor and
acquisistions cost much more, in terms of time invested. Perhaps your
time is volunteer labor. For those of us who don't live in our parents'
basements, we need to be paid for the hours we invest. May I suggest
you pursue a career field other than law or business?
I really do feel for you--it took 15 months for me to finally get
Experience to Extremes from him. But there are risks in dealing with a
bootlegger, and if you think the law will help you, you are a sucker.
And unless he made a point of flashing his income around or depositing
it in large chunks to his account, not even the IRS will waste time
trying to nail him--not worth the effort, based on hearsay evidence.
-
mike
http://cloak-dagger.com Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space
age.
Mathematically, I'm certain there are gun-control proponents who are not
paranoid, phobic, or irrational. I just haven't met any yet.
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From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:25:09 -0800
Subject: BMG
Thanks for an intelligent debate to distract us from the "Complete
Guide to Scamming Rush Discs From Your Local Retailer" thread.
>William MacDonald said:
>I have been ordering from BMG since 1991 and have received nothing but
>the same quality CDs I would expect from a retailer. The packaging is
>identical, the booklets are identical, the labeling is identical (save
>the phrase identified above).
Yours do not have a "BMG" UPC code on the back of the case?
Interesting. Mine did. Have one right here.
>>Collectors have shunned BMG products as worthless because they are not
>>legitimate releases. I had a friend describe it to me as trying to
>>claim a Memorex recording of the White Album is as valuable as the
>>original LP in its original packaging.
>Your friend has poisoned your thinking. BMG is not making a "bootleg >copy"
Agreed, but collectors do not value them much. Simply becuase it is
licensed, and not the "original" market, DOES detract from it's value.
Much like the difference between a print from an artist, and a print
from a marketing agent like a gallery. It just isn't the same as far as
origin. Feel free to call a collector or rare record store and ask.
BTW: BMG is hiring shipping people for the holidays--come to Indy and
make money while sending Rush to the world!
-
mike
http://cloak-dagger.com Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space
age.
Mathematically, I'm certain there are gun-control proponents who are not
paranoid, phobic, or irrational. I just haven't met any yet.
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From: "John A. Tyler" <jatyler@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:23:03 -0600
Subject: Yo La Tengo Video
I was watching a video feed of MTV-2 at work tonight. (I work at a TV
station that has a satellite broadcast center so I see a lot of feeds.)
There was a video on that I thought was absolutely a riot. Yo La Tango was
the name of the band. I've heard of them but I've never really heard their
music. The video was centered on a school that turned geeks into rock
stars. Unfortunatly I did not catch the title of the video.
The head instructor was dressed like Paul Stanley from KISS, (including
make-up) but acted like an English schoolmaster.
During the video all kinds of situations were played out. While the class
was outside on the lawn having a discussion a different "teacher" pulled
out a vinyl copy of "A farewell to kings." as his textbook. The cover is
featured prominently for at least 2-3 seconds. Then you see him reading
from the liner notes and lyrics sheets for a little while.
I was dying laughing and everyone else thought that I was crazy. I guess
the irony is that Rush's members are not really "Rock Stars" in the vein
that was being acted out on the video.
Just thought that everyone might get a kick out of this.
JT
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From: "Scott A. Reder" <sreder@megsinet.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:32:51 -0600
Subject: RE: Fastest Guitarist, etc.
Because I was a big "shred" fan in the 80s (showing my age... the big 30 =
on January 1st... AHHH!), here is my list of fastest guitarists:
Paul Gilbert (Racer X/Mr. Big)
Michael Angelo (Nitro)
Steve Vai (Various)
John Petrucci (Dream Theater)
Most of these guys were bred during the rule of 80s "shred" metal, where =
the fastest was the best. Paul Gilbert and Michael Angelo were unreal =
when they hit the scene in terms of how fast they could play. My =
favorite in this list is John Petrucci because he is so musically =
complete. Of course, Steve Vai was a big influence for Petrucci...
I'm not sure how many notes per second any of these guys can play. It is =
probably more a measure of how many beats per minute and then how many =
notes per beat.
Alex doesn't quite fit in this group. He is quite the crafty guitarist =
in the way he voices chords and the emotion and feel of his solos. =
Having been bred in a three-piece, he found many ways to get big sound =
and a great deal of "mileage-per-note." Suspensions, open strings, etc., =
all with chorus and reverb to make his sound HUGE. I have so many =
favorite Alex solos... Afterimage... Marathon... Cut to the Chase... The =
Camera Eye... Wow!=20
Anyway, there's my $ 0.02...
-Scott Reder
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From: Nei Wyatt <lminwt@eei.ericsson.se>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:01:41 +0000
Subject: Raw sax
Bring me the head of the person responsible for not making Force Ten
globally available on DS! The MP3 is awesome - its interesting to hear
the track a bit slower with a razor sharp guitar sound.
On another note, am I the only person who thinks there should have been
a short saxophone solo after the lines " the night has a thousand
saxophones, so get out there and ..." etc. in Roll the Bones? It would
have been cool.
No probably not.
N.
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From: "Keith Hurst" <keithh@psychology.leeds.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:45:34 GMT
Subject: it's hot in here
Hello -
Is it just my imagination, or has the NMS turned pretty much into one
big sarcastic flame session in recent weeks?
I guess feelings run high, but with the new work to talk about, isn't
all this other stuff simply boring?
I am almost afraid to ask, but am I missing something, or is everyone
else actually enjoying this?
Keith
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From: cfogel@internet.omm.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:30:35 -0800
Subject: Journey Concert Review (Rush Mentioned)
Taken from the December 10-16, 1998, Los Angeles New Times at page 74, this is a
blurb from a Journey concert review that mentions Rush in passing:
Journey...
>..The guys are writing new songs, they have a new drummer in Deen Castronovo,
and most importantly, a new nut-buster vocalist--some guy named Steve Augeri,
who always wanted to be Steve Perry when he grew up and now gets his shot. As
for former lead schnozz Perry, a hip injury from a hiking accident squelched his
interest in touring and prompted his departure in 1997. That's the official
reason, anyway. More likely, his departure can be chalked up to the fact that
he always took the silver medal in the I-sing-so-high-only-dogs-can-hear-me
sweepstakes to Rush's human vacuum cleaner, Geddy Lee. That'll sink a man, fer
sure. So might the realization that methodical torture with power tools might
be a more rewarding experience that seeing his band perform. (Neal Weiss)
Should anyone care, the New Times' website is http://www.newtimesla.com
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From: STEVEN_PEREZ@HP-PuertoRico-om1.om.hp.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:34:52 -0400
Subject: DS Just hit Gold!!
I just received this from Atlantic Records:
*RUSH ACHIEVES 22ND CONSECUTIVE GOLD ALBUM WITH "DIFFERENT STAGES"*
"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from Rush,
has been c ertified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess of
500,000 units. With this,
their 22nd gold album certification, the Canadian trio is now fourth
among grou
ps on the RIAA's all-time gold certification list, a tally topped only
by the Be atles (38), the Rolling Stones (37), and Kiss (23). The
feat is especially nota ble in that it also extends Rush's consecutive
gold certification streak to 22, which represents their entire
catalog. "DIFFERENT STAGES" and debuted on the Billboard 200 at #35,
with a bullet!! Get the inside scoop on the making of "DIFF ERENT
STAGES," and much, much more -- check out the exclusive Rush FANCAST
in th e DigitalArena on the Atlantic web site. For this very special
online event, Ru sh members Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson stopped by our
Digital Arena Studio in New York City and answered online fans'
questions in an interactive interview moderated by renowned music
journalist Lisa Robison. This is a rare, in-depth look at these
living legends -- an ev ent that any fan of the band, or any fan of
rock & roll for that matter, does no t want to miss!
http://www.atlantic-records.com/rush
Regards,
Steven
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From: Dan Bruss <dano@sandridgebank.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:57:33 -0600
Subject: RE: Enhanced CD
>From: Craig Brennan <craig@pharmedica.com>
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:27:17 -0500
>Subject: RE: DS ECD
>
>>The third CD on DS should be an enhanced cd?
>
>>Why doesn't my PC understand it?
>>It shows only the audio tracks but nothing else.
>
>>I hope it's not Macintosh crap!
>
>Ok, here's what you need to do. Remove the CD from the drive (Be carful not
>to damage it) and insert it back into the protective cardboard holder. Turn
>off your machine. Unplug the computer. Put it back in its box. Take it to
>your nearest PC dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own a computer.
>;)
>
>Craig
Oh, very witty, Craig. This person asked a simple question about why
his/her CD-ROM would not read the enhanced portion of the disc and instead
of giving the person a constructive answer, you felt it necessary to
belittle the person for not having as much computer knowledge as yourself.
Why?
To the person who originally posed the question:
There's a good chance that your CD-ROM is a little bit older and cannot
read both parts of the disc. This happened with my drive at home.
However, when I used the CD-ROM here at work, the disc could read both
parts fine. If you have access to a newer PC, try the disc in that and see
what you get.
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Dan-O
"The point of a journey
is not to arrive." - Neil Peart
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From: Rob Rocke <robert.rocke@yale.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:06:47 -0500
Subject: Who would've thought...
I never thought I'd say that I was in favor of repeating a song on
back-to-back live albums, especially after that whole pre-DS,
why-are-they-repeating-such-and-such-a-song debate, but after listening to
that ROCKING new version of "Force Ten" on my little tinny multimedia
speakers here at work, boy do I wish this would have been included on the
domestic DS release: it blows the "Show of Hands" recording away!!!
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