The National Midnight Star #2138

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Different Stages Rocks DS: Sound & Packaging RE: DS Fountain of Lamenth Enhanced CD You know...Another Review makin' whoopee!!! World Series Hammersmith '78 Cygnus X-1 and Stonehenge 2112 - a full step lower Different Stages Different Stages Observations... Natural Science from DS "The" Analog Kid Packaging Re: DS stuff Different Stages Re: Box set and concert video Going one step further. . . . DS--I heard my scream!/Quit your Bitching!!! Tinker Toys Cover Kids shirt on Odeon sleeve...Ged comment in Cinderella Man take it off shake it off GEDDY's Faves are mine also! DS Great Woods Headphones ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anderson, Chris " <canderso@amp.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:57:07 -0500 Subject: Geddy's Voice at Hammermsith/AFWTK - 1978 Hey Rushians, I've noticed something about Geddy's voice on the Hammersmith Set of DS and the "A Farwell To Kings" album. It seems to my ears that Geddy was really using his voice in an odd way, maybe even forcing it to go in this "odd way." His voice sounds very "razory" and screechy but not the way his voice sounded high-pitched/screechy on 2112 ot ATWAS. Has anyone else noticed how Geddy's voice is so different and much more screech (and almost kid-sounding) on AFTK and the Hammersmith set? I mean, I knew that Geddy had to tone down a little bit from the crazy screaming he did on 2112. However, just listen to how Geddy says "by" or "sky" during "Xanadu." He sounds VERY strange. His voice has always puzzled me anyway I guess. To expand on this, listen to his phrasing of some of the older stuff like 2112 or "The Spirit of Radio" on Different Stages. He also sings "be unfurled" during the "Temple of Syrinx" part of 2112. His phrasing on this line "be unfurled" is STRAIGHT FROM a song off Power Windows (though I can't quite place the song right - mayeb someone could help me????) I think it might be Territories or some other song. His phrasing on Limelight is strange also..."in _ the _ Limelight." He actually uses two different phrasings in Limelight. By the way, when I say phrasing I mean, basically, how he annunciates some of the lyrics. I don't know if "phrasing" is the proper term or not. If anyone has an opinion about Geddy's voice on DS set 1,2,3 or the 1977-1979 period, please email me. Thanks. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric J Staley" <ejstaley@ashland.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:34:32 -0500 jeffvoss@webtv.net wrote: "Let's print some negative reviews!!! I am certain they're being sent to you, but your so biased you afraid to upset someone. What ever happened to free speech?" I've read this nonsense too many times before. If a grocery store refuses to stock pornographic magazines, are they violating anyone's right to free speech? No. If a store owner refuses to allow a neo-nazi to post a flier in his store window, is he violating anyone's right to free speech? No. If Rush-Mgr refuses to post negative reviews on TNMS, is she violating anyone's right to free speech? No. You are, obviously, entitled to your views. Additionally, you are entitled to submit them to this digest. But, your Constitution does NOT say that Rush-Mgr is bound by law to include them in the digest. [ I will add that I *rarely* censor posts, and probably allow way too much leniency for some readers' tastes. I certainly don't censor posts because they are critical of the band! : rush-mgr ] Eric P.S. My apologies for this non-Rush-related post. I can assure you that it will be my only post on this topic. P.S.S. Don't even get me started on the right to bear arms! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen.Lafferty@scotland.gov.uk Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:40:17 -0000 Subject: DS in the UK Hey folks, I am listening to Xanadu (may all time fav) right now on My US import copy. It's lunchtime Friday 13th and I have my CD Walkman with me...... All I can say is.... "Fuck My Chips" Steve laffy@rush-2112.freeserve.co.uk Pause at a Light - Rush inspired artwork http://members.xoom.com/laff2112/ "The pavements may teem........" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Welton <cwelton@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:58:08 -0500 Subject: bass technique + instruments WARNING: BORING TECHNICAL STUFF ABOUT GEDDY'S PLAYING Brad wrote> >I saw the TFE tour and I couldn't believe the unconventional way that >Geddy was playing the bass. It seemed as if he was playing the bass >just like a guitar in that he was "paddling" the strings with his hand. >That's the best way I can describe it. Good description. I belive another Ged-head on the list called it a "pick-finger" technique (sorry can't remember the name). He strikes the strings on the down and up stroke ala using a pick and an alternating picking style. The debate is ongoing, does he hit with one finger or a combo. I was lucky enough to be 2nd row right in front of him at Jones Beach last tour, and can vividly remember Ged using the technique with one finger alone ( Animate, bridge like section - "My counterpart, my foolish heart ..."). Other times (CTTH jam) he had his whole hand clawed and was furiously wailing. Obviously, it sounds great a generates a "new" sound for the master. I think it became prominent on Counterparts, in fact isn't that when he switched back to the Jazz Bass? Hmm... So I tried the technique (I think I've got it pretty good now after like three months of refining my aim to only pick one string) on a Jazz, Wal, Steinberger, Rick and Modulus (for fun). I found it sounded best on the Jazz, a good rattle and strong tone and worst on the Wal. In my opinion, he may have switched basses as he developed the technique. Which brings me to DS. Fantastic, the best live Rush recording. I think Ged's Fenders and Alex's axe lineup (PRS and a Les Paul I believe) made a huge impact along with superior recording equipment. Yes they're great performances, but I think the instruments do make a difference. Worth the wait. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flynn, Jason R" <Jason.R.Flynn@UNISYS.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:18:54 -0600 Subject: DS - Yelling during 'Driven' >From: "Zelenak, Gregory" <Gregory.Zelenak@hboc.com> >Subject: DS - Yelling during 'Driven' > >The line "It's okay Alex, shake it off!" The guy may be referring to right >before Geddy's bass solo, Alex was having some guitar problems and their is >a really high pitch sound. You can hear it if you are really listening for >it. I was at the Chicago show and I think Alex then changed guitars during >Geddy's solo (anyone else remember?) I also remember reading somewhere that >Alex had the same problem the night before in Milwaukee. I was in row 2 the night before right in front of Alex at the Marcus Amphitheatre in Milwaukee and he did have major problems. Actually it started with Stick It Out, just before Driven. Right when SIO began, at the opening sequence there was no guitar sound. It's funny to watch him immediately look to the right at Jimmy Johnson who's in total panic mode, and both Ged and Neil are looking over like "oh boy this sounds bad." Alex fiddles with a few nobs and 8 beats later... no guitar, only bass and hi-hat clicking along. Alex is mouthing words off stage like, "it ain't working!" Frenzied fix it things going on at stage right, another 8-beats.... nothing. Finally Jimmy runs out with another guitar and they pull a super-fast guitar switch, plug him in and finally... guitar! The crowd offered an applause of appreciation and it was obvious that Alex was a bit miffed. This was right before Ged came in to sing "Trust to your instinct." Anyway, that song ended and Ged introduced 'Driven' to which Alex rips into the opening guitar riff only to be stunned once again by complete silence. He just stopped and kind of slouched in disgust and disbelief. His worst nightmare. JJ does something else and Alex tries it again but it's still broken. At this point he just stopped and JJ comes out on stage and it's clear there's something major wrong. Geddy starts talking about how Alex spent all day golfing and forgot how to play with his 'thing'. "His thing is broken." We all got a kick out of that. Then Geddy starts playing a little "country and western music" improv' and Neil joined in to stall for a minute. JJ and Alex finally realize that there's nothing wrong with the guitar, it's the transmitter thingy the guitar plugs into on his back. So they undo it all and hook up a new one and plug it in and Alex finally strums a loud open chord to which there is... sound! The crowd cheered and Alex raised his arms in triumph. Way cool. They went on with Driven and there were no other problems all night. Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Thibert" <sthibert@ids.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:24:55 -0500 Subject: Am I missing something from DS? Did I get a bad copy of DS? The label on the outside says one of the CDs is enhanced with a note "See details inside" - I opened up the package, and it's a tri-fold cardboard CD holder, with one loose CD holder for the 3rd disc - I did not find any information about the enhanced CD, and there was no booklet - did a booklet of some sort come with the disc? Also, the DS commercial was on the Howard Stern show a couple of days ago, but I missed it! I went to the bathroom, and when I came back in the room I got a half a second glimpse of the tinkertoys on the screen! Damn! It's great being at a concert that many of the songs on DS were recorded from, specifically Great Woods Amphitheater for 2112 and LTTA! Please let me know if I am missing something from my CD package via email, and I'll rip CD Universe a new asshole :-) Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Beaudoin <beaudoit@bc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:37:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: the crazy enhanced CD Hi, folks: long time no post for me, though i've been hanging around on this list for about 7 years and my Rush parodies from several years back can be found on the NMS website. My question: is the clusterworks "laser show" supposed to go along with the audio from the first CD? i have a Dell pentium 200 (not a Mac), and i can only get the "light show" to play along with new-agey clusterworks music. Is there some secret trick to getting the special effects to respond to the Rush music?? Otherwise, it seems like a great waste to me. Tom thomas.beaudoin@bc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Beaudoin <beaudoit@bc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: AFTK 4:22 I was intrigued by the recent suggestion in TNMS that Geddy sneezes around 4:22-4:23 on AFTK on the 3rd disk of DS. I don't think it is a sneeze, though: it sounds like a fuzzy cymbal hit. I'm curious as to what others think. And why would Geddy sneeze into the microphone? Tom thomas.beaudoin@bc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Beaudoin <beaudoit@bc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:54:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: funny overdub in Cinderella Man???????????? Hey -- speaking of Cinderella Man on the 3rd disk, what does Geddy (or someone) say right before the bass solo (at 2:19) ?? Something like "me funky!" Was that overdubbed later by Geddy this summer as a joke??? Tom thomas.beaudoin@bc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Beaudoin <beaudoit@bc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:07:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cygnus 1:18 What is that guy yelling on Cygnus, disk 3, at 1:18?? And isn't the cackle right before that hilarious? I wonder if this was a "Spinal Tap" moment for someone: the smoke, the mystery... if only the Boys had been inside 3 giant pods. Tom thomas.beaudoin@bc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Hanstones@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:27:39 EST Subject: Ice Cold Beer Did you fellow beer afficianado's notice what Ged says in "Working Man": "When I get home at 5 oclock and take myself out a Watney's Red Barrel" - check it out, first I thought he flubbed, but he definately sings it. Hanstones "Better Beer" http://www.2112.net/powerwindows <---- go there for DS wallpaper! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Lynch <lynch@rush.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:30:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Geddy's technique As a bassist, I use whatever technique it takes to get the sound I'm looking for...Closer to the Heart kindof jams at the end, and Ged wants that rather heavy sound, so that technique is used...someone mentioned "Driven" earlier, and that is played completely different than almost anything else we know Geddy for as well. I like to play with sound on my bass, so that means that for a more "bassy" sound I move up towards the neck. for a little more trebele I move down towards the bridge...I use the strings to "bounce" my hands off of while slapping and popping, and even hammer on the higher octave when slap/popping in octaves to give it a 32nd note feel, its whatever goes...whatever sounds cool, even effects come into it at times, I always loved how cool Chris Squire's bass work sounded on "Tormato", and alot of that was done with alot of flange on the bass.... I understand exactly what you are talking about, and yes, I'm sure many bassists do that to get that specific feeling and effect ;) (ps, the only thing I *won't* do is play with a pick...or a drill like Billy Sheehan (who is awesome on the Explorer's Club album)) Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Reedy" <kreedy@ptc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:37:45 -0500 Subject: new CDs, and such...... The new CD rocks! 2112! Natural Science! Cygnus! Analog Kid! I saw the "big" show twice.....both were great. Once was in Dallas and the second was Great Woods, Mansfield Ma. That is where they recorded 2112! PSYCHED! The enhanced CD program runs great at my house.....a piddley P166, 64 megs, and win98. At work I have an HP Kayak XW, the machine kicks butt with duel 400s and 512 of memory, and NT 4.0......the program doesn't run. Go figure. I'm not sure what the source of the trouble is, I have not had time to look into it. I will say this though, the program is damn cool, even though I thought the light patterns played to the songs on the CD. Till next time....... Keith no quote needed ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary and Rhonda" <garyj@coredcs.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:43:53 -0600 Subject: Different Stages Rocks Hello All!!! I bought "Different Stages" the day it came out sometime around 4:00pm at our local Walmart! $23.45....(should have gone to Best Buy)... I bought the LAST ONE they had.....funny that they did'nt put it the new release section. I asked the lady working the register in the music department if they had sold many and she said they had put 10 out that morning ((I HAD TO ASK))!!! I wonder how well this fantastic live compilation will do as far as sales???? I guess no matter how well it does.......it wont get what it truly deserves... I have put all my other CDs away and are comfortably resting in their respective place in my CD tower and I have all the paperwork for DS strewn about my stereo CDS in my stereo 1. Rush...Different Stages...Disc 1 2. Rush...Different Stages...Disc 2 3. Rush...Different Stages...Disc 3 4. -------------------------------------------- 5.-------------------------------------------- 6.-------------------------------------------- Bye All......thats a fact from Nome to Rome ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Brennan <craig@pharmedica.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:08:44 -0500 Subject: DS: Sound & Packaging I listened to DS at work on tuesday. I think it sounds awesome! Just one thing...I don't know if it is my crappy work headphones or not but it seemed that the guitar was coming mainly from the left channel and the bass from the right. But I could hear the drums in boths ears. Did anyone else notice this or do I need to make an ear appointment? The other thing I found moderately annoying is the third disc being in that slim, loose package. I'm afraid of it falling out everytime I open the case. So what I did was take the booklet out and put the third CD in a seperate jewel case with it. I am going to scan in the picture of the Hammersmith Odeon and use that for the back of the jewel case (instead of cutting up the original to make it fit). For now I'm using the RUSH concert pic-on that piece of paper explaing the picture maker-in the back of the jewel case. A lot of people are complaining about Closer To The Heart (CTTH) being on yet another RUSH live album but I have to say that it sounds awesome and is one of the highlights of the album for me. What a great jam! Discovery (in 2112) is another highlight. I could have lived w/o Tom Sawyer again but otherwise I'm very, very satisfied. I played it for my lady on Tues over the phone line but, for some reason I just couldn't understand, she wasn't all that excited. Women...hmmph!* Craig *Disclaimer: The expressed or implied opinion stated above is the result of years of personal experience and daily interaction with one particular female and do not reflect an assumption that ALL women are incapable of getting "excited" by RUSH. Any perceived association with female subscribers of this list in particular or with the general population is purely coincidental. This opinion remains the sole property of the author and cannot be used in whole or in part without expressed written permission. Craig Brennan Senior Graphic Designer Pharmedica Inc. 257 Route 80 Killingworth, CT 06419 860/663-4060 x132 craig@pharmedica.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Palo" <double_agent54@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:25:20 PST Subject: RE: DS Hey Rush freaks, I cant' say much more than what has already been said of DS, except that I have been totally blown away. I played it for a couple people who *doubt* that Geddy is one of the best bass players in the world. I think that "Driven" and CTTH maybe alter ed their opinions slightly. Great live compilation, I'm very happy. AS for the fold out, I was curious as to why no memorabilia from FBN or CoS were present. I personally like both albums and I wondered why they weren't represented. [ It's quite possible they couldn't find anything, or don't have anything left... :-) : rush-mgr ] And as for you whiners about songs that didn't fit your "standards," everything Rush does will have its critics. There's no pleasing everyone, so quit bitching because you thought the liner notes weren't up to par, or "animate" was played too slow. If you're that disappointed, why not give your set to some Rush fan who hasn't gotten it yet, for free! That charitab le act would make up well for your complaints! For Anthem on Disc 3, I keep hearing Geddy say "know your crazy life is where you want to be." Am I hearing this right, or is his inflection just off? Rush on! Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Ramos <jose.ramos@digital.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:52:38 -0500 Subject: Fountain of Lamenth Hey Rush heads, In reply to Fred Pinto's raving lunacy the other day: Fred urged us all to buy all Rush CD's. I already own them all. I must agree with you, Fred, that Caress of Steel totally kicks ass. Even the title of this third album is awesome. Think about it "Caress of Steel." I think every song on this album is spectacular. Like most Rush fans, I could do without "I think I'm going bald," but otherwise, it is by far my favorite album to listen too even after 24 years! The very first time I played it and heard the awesome beginning licks of "Bastille Day," I was hooked. "Lakeside Park" is a very good song, IMHO. I think the guitar playing is excellent, but of course this is no expert's opinion. Just a fan. I have said in this forum many times that one of my favorite Rush tunes is "The Necromancer." I think it is still one of Rush's most raw sounding and kick ass tunes in their entire repertoire. The middle part where Lerxst and Ged pound on their guitars is sooooo classic and hard sounding. In the last part when Ged starts singing and then fades out into Alex's solo is so awesome, it still brings goose bumps to my skin every time I hear it. (Too bad my wife doesn't feel the same way!) Finally, "The Fountain of Lamneth," IMHO is the best concept side Rush has ever done. (bring on the flames!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Not to take away anything from 2112, which of course, I think is awesome too. I totally love The Fountain. For anyone who is a relatively new Rush Fan or just a casual one, go out and Purchase Caress of Steel. I guarantee that you won't be disappointed. Do not buy it on tape because they mix up the songs and Fountain isn't in it's entirety on the b side. Buy the CD, open a bottle of wine, or whatever your pleasure, set the volume to your threshold of pain (or your neighbors), lay back, and enjoy. Peace, Max PS - love different stages, just love COS more. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Browne1234@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:15:40 EST Subject: Enhanced CD Ok, I finally got it to work. You have to change the color settings to High Color (16 Bit) . . . Thank you all that emailed me to say you also had problems, I thought I was alone. Everyone agreed, as I do, that the CD kicks big ol' butt without the little program. Thank you Alex, Geddy and Neil, you never cease to amaze with your music. I am always blown away at the concerts when it sounds as good -- what am I saying? -- better than the studio version. Thank you for capturing that on 3 (THREE!) cd's. Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Clements <clemdog@msn.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:31:24 -0700 Subject: You know...Another Review Greetings Rushians!! By the themes of the last couple digests, it looks as if everyone is either deaf or hoarse after the long awaited release from the greatest band in the world. Haven't posted in a while... blah... blah... blah. Some deep Rush thoughts on the new CD that perhaps may not come to bear. Many listeners and subscribers over the next several weeks will no doubt completely dissect the playing abilities of our three heroes. E-mail's will be sent back and forth by skilled and not so skilled musicians wondering, "How'd they do that?" Rather than giving a play by play review of the entire CD, I would like to offer a thought on one aspect of the CD that, to me, is a wonderful testament to Rush's longevity and perseverance. Geddy's voice. A couple years ago, some guy named "Snowdog" wrote in this digest that Geddy should be replaced by another singer, that his voice just didn't hold up to the days of 2112 and Permanent Waves. This, due to a somewhat different vocal performance on TFE. I responded in kind, declaring that such an assertion was patently ridiculous and Ged's voice was as good as it ever was, and perhaps even better. I detailed his use of different vocal styles over the last three albums and concluded that if any rock vocalist's v-cords had stood the test of time, it was Geddy's. Maybe some of you remember this discussion. Ah, yes... the redemption comes and reality is revealed. Different Stages is a rousing, unbelievable accomplishment in the vocal development of Geddy Lee. It is no wonder that he produced the album himself? Could the deciding factor for selecting specific tracks coincide with his excellent vocal performance? Chicago! Chicago! That happenin' town! On 2112, Geddy really pulls out the stops and hits many of the high points that many thought he would never sing again. Yes, he doesn't screech like the 70's (as evidenced in the Hammersmith Odeon performance) but he hasn't since Permanent Waves anyway. His vocalization changed with Moving Pictures and has remained rather constant (except for an amazing performance on Power Windows). After all, he's in his forties. Every rock singer alive has had to change styles somewhat in order to meet the tests of age and vocal longevity (Bono and Robert Plant come to mind). Usually, there is an album or albums that highlight a vocal shift or comfort with a different style (for Bono, "The Unforgettable Fire" for Plant, maybe "Houses of the Holy" but I'm open to suggestions). On DS as a whole, Geddy's vocal performance is bar none - especially on the older tunes. You would never know that much has changed since the days of old. Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, the Trees - Geddy attacks each song where the listener has feelings of 1982 again. Having been a fan first of Ged's singing before I recognized or understood Rush's musical athleticism (I was only ten, after all), DS is a rare treat. So go back under that rock Mr. Snowdog. DS has what Rush fans have been waiting for : Redemption, exultation, jubilation and Animation. Take a bow, Mr. Lee. You deserve it. Clem When the dust has cleared And victory denied A summit to lofty River a little too wide If we keep our pride Though paradise is lost We will pay the price But we will not count the cost ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Simoa Drew <DrewSim@mail.wcboe.k12.md.us> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:34:59 -0500 Subject: makin' whoopee!!! Hey all, GUESS WHAT. I HAVEN't BOUGHT DS YET! Yeah, doesn't it suck? No, i'm not a wierdo or someone who listens to just TS and RTB. Actually, I placed an order through amazon, then ersases it because I thought i would go to Best Debt later on that night. Didn't happen. But after reading NMS 2136 and just revelling in the good cheer, I'm zipping off to the nearest music store (a half hour away) and buying the album. With all due respect to the jazz giants I worship, I simply love this band and all that they've done. I also agree with the person who said that Rush fans have to be the most dedicated (besides Dead fans) and persistent out there. maybe because we know we're supporting an underdog. I'm speeding, not driving, to the music store NOW!! Simon ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Simoa Drew <DrewSim@mail.wcboe.k12.md.us> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:35:56 -0500 Subject: World Series Hey all, I know this is three weeks too late, but did anyone catch the background La Villa during the introduction to the third game of the series? Simon ---------------------------------------------------------- From: nickb@teleport.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:15:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hammersmith '78 Cygnus X-1 and Stonehenge Is it just me, or does anyone else out there get an unshakeable mental image of Spinal Tap's "Stonehenge" during Cygnus X-1? "No one knows who they were, or, what they were doing..." ObDuh: This album rocks. The cd-damaging packaging sucks. I too am having trouble with the ClusterWorks thingie, but I attribute this to the lack of a sound card in the machine I'm currently using at work. ClusterWorks' website sucks. They're not worthy of the hard work and dedication that Rush puts into their own product, IMNSHFO. I like all the Geddy Rickenbacker jamming in London a lot. Back in 1976, great computers often did fill halls. ObTangentially-Rush-RelatedRanting: $18.88 at Fry's Electronics in Wilsonville Oregon wasn't a bad deal at all, though I'm loathe to patronize such a civil-rights abusing corporation. Anyone that's been there knows what I mean: their workers who want to search your receipt and merchandise as you leave the store. Under the Uniform Commercial Code of the USA, merchandise becomes the personal property of the customer at the moment of sale, not upon leaving the store's property. Fry's has *no* right to inspect your personal property, and their tactic of asking to do so when you leave their store amounts to a violation of your right to a protection from unreasonable search. Next time you're at Fry's you can refuse to show them your receipt and merchandise. You can sue them for false arrest if they detain you without reasonable cause. If you've never been to a Fry's, well, good for you. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: BmrBass@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:39:15 EST Subject: 2112 - a full step lower Probably not too surprising given the lower range in recent years that Geddy has sung but did anyone notice that 2112 on DS has been dropped by a full step? Instead of the first two notes being E to A, it's now D to G. I thought something sounded odd when i first heard it so I grabbed my bass and sure enough it had been dropped a full step. He does sound stronger on the high parts but this appeared to be a first, at least on recorded material. Cheers, Boom ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Wonger3@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:17:12 EST Subject: Different Stages Hello fellow NMS'ers! I purchased my copy of DS on Tuesday at Best Buy for the incredible price of $16.99 plus the freakin' 8.5 % sales tax to the state of California. GREATEST CD purchase I have ever made in my life. I loved the great sounding quality of the live recordings. I sure wish they had decided to take pieces of other shows than mainly focusing in on Chicago. Don't get me wrong, you guys rocked! I was moved to tears knowing that the album was dedicated to Neil's late wife and daughter. Very classy, sincere, and heartwarming. Ryan (rmiller@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: > I was able to take advantage of seeing them on tour - 4 times between the 'two' >TFE tours. Saw them in Albany on opening night, at the FleetCenter and the next >night I saw them in Hartford, and when they came back, I saw them at Greatwoods. I too went on the multi tour Test For Echo tour! Nov. 26, 1996 - Great Western Forum in Inglewood, CA Nov. 27, 1996 - Great Western Forum in Inglewood, CA Nov. 29, 1996 - America West Arena in Phoenix, AZ (8th row floor on Alex's side!) Nov. 30, 1996 - UTEP Center in El Paso, TX May 10, 1997 - Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavillion in Devore, CA May 14, 1997 - The Rose Garden in Portland, OR (loudest of all the shows!) [ I was at all the shows you were at, except portland. And did I say that for the November San Diego show I had front row? :-) : rush-mgr ] Gregory (Gregory.Zelenak@hboc.com) wrote: > It's pretty cool to know that I was "at the show" where they took a lot of >the songs from. Guess it made the drive from Minneapolis, MN worth it!! My sentiments exactly when I made the roadtrip to Phoenix and El Paso. I flew up to Portland strictly for the concert! Big hearty Geddy Lee "Thank youuuuuuuuuu's" to Bill Holbert (William.Holbert@mci.com) who hosted me in Phoenix and drove us to El Paso and to Mazen Fadel (mrf@sdiusa.com) who hosted me in Portland! You guys sure embolden the fact that Rush has the greatest group of fans anywhere! I hope everyone buys a copy, hell refer your friends and family. Take care everyone. Hoang aka Wonger Wonger3@aol.com Ontario, CA "He's got a star map of Hollywood..a list of cheap motels..all along the freeway." Dreamline (Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, Neil Peart)....disc 1, track 1!!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flynn, Jason R" <Jason.R.Flynn@UNISYS.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:30:45 -0600 Subject: Different Stages Observations... >From: KenDee1@aol.com >Subject: Different Stages Observations... > >I'm about 3 or 4 listens through, here are a couple thoughts. >The Jam at the end of Bravado makes a former average song a GREAT song. Average? Some people just don't get it. Jason PS Nothing personal, Ken ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flynn, Jason R" <Jason.R.Flynn@UNISYS.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:35:15 -0600 Subject: Natural Science from DS >From: Robert Robbins <baskin@worldchat.com> >Subject: Natural Science from DS > >I was listening to Natural Science off of DS and I noticed that Geddy >sings the... >Wheels within wheels >verse twice.. (back to back). I know they repeat the chourus again of >Analog Kid at what should be the end but did they always sing that NS >verse twice or did Geddy screw it up??? Yeah that's it Robert. Geddy screwed up and the band kept playing but somehow they all ended the song at the same time. And somehow they decided to put a screwed up version of N.S. on the album. Jason PS Yes all three of them played it that way every time. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flynn, Jason R" <Jason.R.Flynn@UNISYS.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:46:50 -0600 Subject: "The" Analog Kid >From: "JK74" <JK74@prodigy.net> >Subject: "The" Analog Kid > >Anyone else out there notice that on DS The Analog Kid is listed as = >Analog Kid without the THE? I wonder why. Hum.... For the same reason that A Farewell to Kings is listed as "Farewell to Kings", and Leave That Thing Alone! is listed as "Leave That Thing Alone", and Stick It Out is listed as "Stick it out" (ALLCAPS but 'lowercase caps' for the I and O--like the 'lower caps' in CttH and Farewell to Kings but in RTB the T is an 'uppercase cap' as are the F in Something For Nothing and in Test For Echo, and the O in TSOR) and The Spirit of Radio is listed as "Spirit of Radio" on Exit...Stage Left. Jason (P.S. I'd go on but I don't want to come off as nitpicky...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russell J. Thorpe" <rthorpe@tir.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Subject: Packaging Quit the damn bitching about the packaging. Just do what I did. Get some old jewel cases, or buy some new empty ones from your favorite record store. Place the fucking CD's in there, and shut the hell up. Then you can encase your Paper cover in lucite, and put it on a shelf next to your bowling trophies and pictures of your Grandmother. If you people would put as much energy into thinking as you do bitching, we would all be better off. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Russell J. Thorpe Systems Administrator Toyo Seat USA Corp. ph. (810)724-0300 ext.148 fax:(810)724-0684 ISO 9001/QS-9000 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* [ I *LIKE* the packaging. I have quite a few cardboard cases, they don't bother me at all. The 3rd cd is separate, quite possibly to be removed at a later date, but you can also put this on your cd rack as its own cd. You can't tell me you don't have ONE cd single in a cardboard sleeve sitting up there? : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Slim Jim <jg@ms.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:05:53 +0000 Subject: Re: DS stuff revelation7@hotmail.com wrote [about DS]: > things i didn't like > > 2112: all the parts previously played on an accoustic were played on an > electric 12string, verry unsetteling at first, but it still rocks Note that there's no acoustic guitar on the ATWAS version either. Slim ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M. Campbell" <David.Campbell@po-box.esu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:13:23 -0500 Subject: Different Stages I will probably receive major flames for writing this, but I for one really don't like live albums at all, and will not purchase Different Stages. I really only own two live albums...KISS Alive II and Exit Stage Left. I like watching live videos of concerts, and also like attending shows, but I can't seem to get into just listening to live recordings of songs that I already have and that, in my opinion, sound better in the studio than live in concert. In fact, many live albums are put out by record companies just for something they can make money from while their bands are taking a long break between records. Judas Priest just released a new live album, for example, one album after replacing Rob Halford with Ripper Owens. I mean, who needs this? I am a huge Priest fan, but I see no need for this. So cheers to everyone who enjoys this new live album from Rush. But I won't be this excited until a new studio album comes out. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- From: TCG <tgarbari@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:29:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Box set and concert video Just wondering if there is going to be a box set of DIFFERENT STAGES and a concert video. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! TCG ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:01:53 -0500 Subject: Going one step further. . . . In my opinion, DS is better than just the best live album Rush has ever released. It's the best live album *ANYONE* has ever released, beating out even "Live at Wembley '86" (which it's pretty dang hard for me to say something kicks more ass than somethin' by Queen, let alone the best live album Queen ever did). Reminder: this is my opinion. But DS is simply the best live album I've ever heard in my life. Ryan/Stimpy These are not my pants. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: YYZEEE@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:03:36 EST Subject: DS--I heard my scream!/Quit your Bitching!!! I was at the Dallas (actually I was at both shows) but I was there when The Trees was recorded. In fact my bro-in-law was in from Vegas with me. The trees has a little significant meaning for us. From His Virgin show in Vegas Roll the Bones tour in June 1992. I am not going to tell you. I have 2112-discovery going on right now! This Set rules! I havent even gotten to the Hammersmith set yet. Maybe tonite. Different stages (to me) really brings out the feel of Rush Live. IF they never tour again it would break my heart. But I have this and I would live on! Thank you RUSH! GET A GRIP!! >>>>>>>>>>>'m right here stumpy. and i maintain that this album would be a great deal better if the track listing included songs that have yet to appear on a live album that were played over the last four tours such as the pass, vital signs, prelude, double agent, war paint, scars, limbo, virtuality, time and motion, half the world, where's my thing, ghost of a chance, cold fire, show don't tell, analog kid, or <<<<<<<<<<<<< Who keeps on Bitching? make me sick! I have to say that I was praying that Tom Sawyer would make it on this album. Mainly because live on this tour was the raginest version I have ever heard!!!! I feel so lucky. You should too. Shut up and thank God for each new thing we get from our favorite band. At this point in their careers, BEGGERS can't be choosers! I will always consider myself a begger as long as RUSH are still releasing material for us. Make no mistake, they are still doing it for us! On to other fun stuff. I was on the phone with my Bro in law Telling him how killer this new CD was. He was tired after a long day on the road (truck driver) he was pumped and decided not to wait until this weekend to get it. He left late at night and even drove his wifes truck because his doesnt have a CD player. the things we will do for the music we love. Thank you RUSH! Gerry Zobrist ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Robinson <brobinson_tpa@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:39:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tinker Toys Cover It seems obvious to me the single tinker toy and the two tinker toys together on the cover represent the two concert recordings 1978 Tour is 1CD = the single tinker toy TFE/Counterparts is 2CDs = the two tinker toys together ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "hopeflguy" <hopeflguy@sprint.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:46:25 -0500 Subject: Kids shirt on Odeon sleeve...Ged comment in Cinderella Man Ok...since we are all caught up in the DS hysteria, I am gonna join = in:-) Umm..first off..the kid who is getting tickets from Ged on the = Odeon show..his shirt says "f-II-k"..which is obviously, A Farewell To = Klingons..errrr.Kings..(sorry trekies). And Ged sounds like he is saying = "Make it funky"..or something similar in Cinderella Man. [ Ok, ok, I can't believe that no one's mentioned the colored dots on the back of the cd; they correspond with the color of ink printed on each cd. I've been a bit slow this week, and just figured it out this morning looking at them :-) And DAMN I wish I had those newspaper ads & reviews for the website, argh! (anyone catch Geddy's NASA pass when they saw Columbia lift off? Or the baseball player on the GUP backstage pass? or the 3 turtles throughout the collage?) : rush-mgr ] Just also wanted to comment....PLEASE stop 1)Complaining about the = %$#@&* packaging...and if you opened the package and dropped the 3rd = disc, well, what kind of a..(I WON'T say it...I wish to be = nice..heh).2)If Rush where to use plastic jewel cases for these, the = price may have been fairly more expensive 3)People complaining about all = of the "glitches" in this song or that..or 2112 should not have been = played in a lower key.....GAFL! My God, it seems like, how many Rush = fans does it take to change a lightbulb? 20...1 to change the bulb, and = 19 to criticize. In other words, just enjoy the damn thing.....especially considering the = descent price and all of the "goodies" inside. Remeber, they DIDN'T have = to release this album in the first place....but, being Rush, as Ged = say's in the liner notes, they are showing their "thank's" to the fans = for their (our) continued support over the years. Most bands wouldn't even give two $#@%'s about their fans.=20 Enjoy.. Peace... James=20 "Imagination is more important then intelligence" Albert Einstein "Hope IS Eternal" JWM ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Taj Dickinson <sunnyjim@csionline.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:47:28 -0500 Subject: take it off shake it off clean the wax outa your ears people.....he's saying "shake it off Alex"...not "take it off Alex" :) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: WHO6489@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:11:11 EST Subject: GEDDY's Faves are mine also! Hi Everybody (Hi DR. Nick) I just got done reading the Liner Notes interview with Geddy. This was the best one yet. I couldn't believe it when he said The WHO- Live at Leeds and YES- Relayer were his favorite albums! I always thought Relayer was one of the best YES albums out there! As far as The WHO, W O W !!! The WHO is tied with our boys as my favorite bands!!! How cool is that! I also like PRIMUS a lot too! Once again our faithful RUSH-MGR keeps us informed on this breaking story that is R U S H. For now, Keith PS Natural Science is my fave song on DS, with Driven a close second (SO FAR) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Djrant@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:00:20 EST Subject: DS Great Woods Hello all, I was among the thousands of fans who saw Rush play at Great Woods (Massachusetts) on June 23, 1997, and I'm quite pleased that at least a portion of that show made it onto Different Stages. I was glad that Geddy's comment after 2112, "We'll be back in twenty minutes after some brain surgery" made it onto the album... I got a good laugh when first heard it at the concert, and now I can listen to it over and over and over... rlambert@foliage.com asked: >>>>Some early reports claimed that The Rhythm Method had been recorded at Great Woods (Mansfield, MA). But, according to the album insert, it was recorded in Chicago. I'm inclined to believe the album insert but, can anyone confirm this?? <<<< Ray, I believe the jacket comments. The Rhythm Method at Great Woods got people clapping along in time to parts of it, but I don't hear that on the DS take. (I wonder why they decided to use the Chicago version of the Rhythm Method, when the Great Woods version had more audience involvement...) Of the 3 shows I saw from TFE, my favorite was the one I saw in Hartford, CT on November 10, 1996. That didn't make it onto the album. But these things are pretty subjective. Anyways, it's a really great 3 and a half hours of music that'll give us years of listening enjoyment. David http://members.aol.com/djrant/rushpage.html ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "msutton ." <msutton@shaw.wave.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:11:38 -0700 Subject: Headphones Edgar asked: > what are the best Rush tunes thru > headphones? I know I personally have partial hearing loss from > late-night sessions. Songs that stand-out are, "Natural Science", "Vital > Signs", "The Weapon" and "Middletown Dreams" (need headphones to fully > appreciate the guitar on that one..) > I agree 100% with "Middletown Dreams". Al's guitar work is amazing especially through headphones on this track. "Mystic Rhythms" is also kind neat as there is a lot going that is much easier to hear with headphones. Later. ----------------------------------------------------------
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