The National Midnight Star #2060

Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@yyz.com Subject: 06/24/98 - The National Midnight Star #2060
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Re: 06/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2059 Lerxstwood Mall Re: Presto Remastered? TfE LP? 2112 Alternate Beginning? First post If a picture is worth a thousand words . . . state, of, radio, and, Flawless, drumming live stuff/Rob Miceli/Peart writings uh, scratch that Alex Solos Cut To The Chase got milk? fav lerxst solo/PONG/TSOB RE: Museum Comment Re: Rush in our nation's capital twice!! Favourite Lerxst Solo Rush being faded out in Florida? 70s bands with odd time-signatures More on Alex VH STILL more about Alex VH Re: Alex Van Halen Re: Bashing AVH re: THE FIRE THAT LIGHTS ITSELF Fave Lerxst solo ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager) Date: Wed Jun 24 10:52:07 PDT 1998 Subject: Administrivia Some more real Rush news... I have heard rumors that the new album is tenatively titled "Dimlit Stages For All Ages" (according to someone who forwarded me an AOL board post, which supposedly came from Atlantic!) I can't seem to find the original post, but it seemed to come from the AP service. Now I can't verify this as actual fact, but it sounded legit. And can we please stop discussing how great/shitty Alex Van Halen's drumming is, it's gone beyond normal Rush content. Thank you. - rush-mgr ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Finkel <sfinkel@qualcomm.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:05:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Rush, Radio & Releases Hi Rush pypolez--- Just to chime in that Rush ***must*** be coming out with something in the next few months. I say this because I have also noticed that Rush has faded from the radio airwaves the past few years. They get thrown back into the rotation more heavily when something is coming out by them--that is to say that station programmers are probably instructed to add it back in when a new release is imminent. I have noticed this both on KGB and KIOZ in Sandy Eggo of late. Rush Early, and Often................................ <Woo Hoo?> <Pua--where are yua?> ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Willig <aawillig@millcomm.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:04:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Favorite Lerxst solo "Eric A. Haswell" <ehaswell@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote: For me it's always been Afterimage. I know I know, it's kind of obscure, but I really enjoy solos that flow with the song, as this one does. There's none of that see-how-many-notes-i-can-cram-into-one-solo kind of thing, just a wailing lament that goes perfectly with both the lyrical and musical content. Anybody else feel as I do? Eric the Red "I feel the way you would" "Shouts of joy skiing fast through the woods" -Afterimage Al Responds: Not obscure at all IMO. I would have to add Kid Gloves and Between the Wheels to the list. I think the solo work on this album, taken as a whole is his finest. Each solo stands by itself and yet connects the song together, probably more smoothly than ever before or since. My next vote would be for Natural Science (just happens to be my favorite song). "All the tiny little creatures living out their destinies" - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Al Willig "Overwhelmed by everything Financial Officer but wanting oh so much." Minnesota Institute of Acupuncture & Herbal Studies Phone: 612 603 0994 Fax: 612 603 0995 ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Villasana" <refab@neptune.ConnectI.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:03:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Orchestra Tuning Up Joseph Ornelas wrote: >I may be losing my mind, but I could swear the I've heard 2112 with,instead of >the synthy space noises at the beginning, the sounds of an orchestra tuning up >played on guitars. Does anyone else recall hearing this, or should I prepare >the room with the padded walls? You may be confusing the beginning of 2112 with the end of Supertramps' Fools Overture, which was released at about the same time. Perhaps you heard them back to back late one night and got the ending of one mixed up with the beginning of the other. Maybe you were in an altered state of consciousness...;-) John Villasana San Antonio TX ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Nelson <bnelson@panther.middlebury.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alex Van Halen, Drumming In General Hey all you whacky Rush fan type people: Just thought I'd weigh in on the whole Alex Van Halen thread. First off, I'd have to say I like Alex's drumming. I'll agree with someone else who said that the guy doesn't have the tightest technical skill in the world. In fact, I'd say that that's part of his charm. Really, if all drumming were was a contest to see who could play the most clever fills at the highest pace, nobody would be talking about Neil Peart as the best drummer in rock music. Don't get me wrong -- the man has extremely fast hands and is more coordinated on the drums than most, but if it were a sheer question of speed, he wouldn't win. It's what he plays, when, and why he plays it that makes him a fantastic drummer. Same deal for Alex -- although I must say he pales in comparison to Neil. Think of it this way. I have a gigantic amount of respect for any drummer who can find just a simple beat for a song as long as it either a) complements the song where the song needs complementing or b) drives the whole song along. Both are hard to do, neither really REQUIRE formidable technical ability. Larry Mullen Jr. of U2 is always my favorite example. In terms of technical skill, he's probably the worst drummer in a well-known band that I've ever heard. But think of the beats he's chosen, the small little touches he's thrown in. Joshua Tree could not have been the masterpiece it was with a different drummer. Has anybody else really heard a beat quite like the one he plays on With Or Without You in rock? I certainly haven't. Same deal for the songs on the rest of the album. Or on any of their albums since The Unforgettable Fire (where U2 finally came into their own). Try to imagine what a mess Joshua Tree would have been with a drummer like Neil Peart. The drums have to go with the music, and Neil, for all his formidable technical skill, probably would have made the album a lesser album in the end. I have to admit, though, I've always admired Neil for "getting out of the way" of the music where he shouldn't be going too crazy. When you have skills like Neil possesses, it's a tough call in terms of suppressing your own ego just to tone yourself down when the music calls for it. I am NOT trashing Neil here. He certainly has an artistic ear and plays what's right for the music. As I said, he's really not famous for his technical skill so much as he's famous for what he plays, when he plays it, and why he plays it, and how he plays it with such precision and melodic grace (few drummers can claim to be melodic...Neil is one). I'm merely saying that stylistically he'd never have cut it, just like he'd probably never quite cut it on a Van Halen album (although he'd be closer there). So don't dis Alex Van Halen for his technical skills and declare he's a bad drummer. Just LISTEN to the drums and let them hit you as a part of the MUSIC as a WHOLE, THEN tell me whether he's great, good, or terrible. I think he's good. Others don't. It's all good :). And now I have happily procrastinated away ten minutes of time at work, and feel much better as a result. Thank you, TNMS. Barry Nelson InVision, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Pinto <FPinto@mzad.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 12:38:04 -0700 Subject: pong? slim jim wrote >But do you remember Space Invaders. Or the first ever video game, >which I remember playing in 1978.. the two player tennis game where >you moved the 'paddles' up and down the screen with a rotary knob? >Slim, 38 not out i believe that tennis game you mentioned was called Pong. had it myself back in the day--the dinosaur of video games, but it was a kick in the ass for the late 70's. -freddie ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Pinto <FPinto@mzad.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 12:55:43 -0700 Subject: licensing a bit off the latest rush topics, so i apologize(sorry rush mgr. and list members). but i know a lot of nms'ers know the music business, so i've got a question on re-using a song. if i were to record a rush, beatles, stones etc. song and put it on a cd with other original songs, sell it at my stores, and not make a profit but just try and make back some of the costs of production, what laws am i breaking? what do i have to do, to do this legally? what are the licensing and copyright laws, and how much will it cost me to use a "non-original" song? private emails, please. any assistance is greatly appreciated. thanks in advance. -freddie ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:09:11 -0700 Subject: Re: #2056 - Fates Warning >Any Fates Warning fans out there? >Aaron Calder I am sure there are a few... If anyone is interested in Fates Warning you can go to the Island In The Stream website: http://www.ivorygate.com/fw and check out plenty of information on them, audio files and on how to join the Parallels mailing list. I remember reading an interview with them once where they talked about the first time they met Terry Brown in the studio (he produces most of their albums). They were all such big Rush fans that the first thing they played for him was the opening to Hemispheres. I think they said something like it made Terry go nuts, because he had spent so much time/energy on that album... hehe ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Wil Sanford <snowts@wnt.sas.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:27:54 -0400 Subject: Really cool Lerxst solo's My vote's are for Limelight, Afterimage, No One At The Bridge, Ghost of A Chance, Middletown Dreams and Bravado (in no particular order). Limelight is pure brilliance with the sustaining note that leads into the arpeggios. Afterimage solo just makes you want to sob for hours. No One At The Bridge is a slap in the face and one of my personal favs to pull off on guitar. Ghost of A Chance makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over. Middletown Dreams....words cannot express and Bravado's simplicity makes it that much cooler. There are of course many more Lerxst solo's that are worthy of attention, but these stand out in my Rush world. Wil. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy <aMachin@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:18:09 GMT Subject: Rush and crosswords Hey, Came accross the following clue whilst attempting (and failing!!) my newspaper's quick crossword. RUSH (4). Who knows the answer? Andy. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: DrumSci@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:55:03 EDT Subject: Re: 06/23/98 - Ranting & Raving It's time to answer a few ? & comments... >Opinions. Yes, all opinions are welcomed in TNMS, but if I want negative thoughts, I don't need to go on line for them. It seems a tragic waste of energy to have so many people posting about "this band sucks," "that drummer sucks," or "my band can beat up your band." If you subscribe to TNMS, then it would seem that Rush holds some importance in your life. So why not celebrate that there is a band like Rush that you can listen to? >RADIO. I can describe radio in one word: SH*T! Now it's a sad fact that Rush doesn't get much airplay in certain markets, but neither do so many other deserving bands! Face it, radio is a commodity today. Music needs to appeal to the widest range of people to be played. It's a sad but true fact! "The spirit of radio" is long gone. Back in the 60s & 70s, before big business discovered it, FM was a great place to hear music. Now the best thing a Rush fan can do is turn the damn radio off and put on a Rush CD!!!!! Grab those remasters and become the master of your own music destiny! Put a Rush CD on and take that Red Barchetta out for a cruise! I listen to a lot of jazz and progressive rock. Radio ignores that too, So I ignore radio!!! As Howard Beal said in the book/movie network, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" So turn those radios off! It's time to have radio free Earth!!! Do yourself a favor and put on a tape/CD. >Required positive content: Look at the bright side, there's only 90 days (+/-) until the live Rush set comes out!!!! That'll help ease the pain of summer being over once again. That's all those days of anticipation until we can rejoice again at some unheard Rush music! Go for it! Testing for echoes-Michael Bettine ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Clayton's" <claytons@flash.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:50:00 -0500 Subject: PONG!! Hey Slim Jim, I remember Pong, but I sucked at it. My boyfriend used to love "Asteroids", -hyperspace-. I liked Tempest because it was the only game that I was very good at. But I couldn't get in the video :-(. Wasn't THAT good, I guess. As for favorite Alex solo, I vote Kid Gloves. I love that song! Can't wait til September! Later, Lara ---------------------------------------------------------- From: duva@webtv.net (Richard Dovale) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:08:30 -0400 Subject: fav.lerxst solo i can't believe nobody mentioned chemistry.this solo is the best hands down,so stop arguing!you just have to zone out the keyboards. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Ware" <Daniel.Ware@enmu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:57:25 -0600 Subject: Alex VH Hey gang... While I don't think Alex VanHalen sucks, I too feel that there are many others above him. I've seen VH several times, and I've got to tell you, he's competant. At the first show I saw, 1984, I couldn't help but think, geez, he's got way to many drums for what he's doing. Whereas Neil uses all his drums, cymbals, and other assorted noise makers all the time, Alex didn't, except for during his solo. I mean, 4 bass drums? Who the hell needs that, except for affect? He's a good drummer, but not too close to the top of my list, which BTW way, includes: NP, Ian Mosley, Carl Palmer, Buddy Rich(not just because of NP..), and the late great Cozy Powell. Those are in order BTW... Just my two cents worth, not to be taken as fact... Cheers from New Mexico.. Dan You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. -Hirohito, ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Ware" <Daniel.Ware@enmu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:03:42 -0600 Subject: Light shows... Hey again gang.... Ok, while I've never been so blown away as I was with the RTB tour, I've got to say that the only other time I was so moved was at the Yes-Big Generator tour back in 1987. No lasers, just amazingly choreographed lights that may as well have been lasers for what they did. Perfectly blended with smoke generators, it was the most amazing thing I'd since until RTB in 91. You want emotion, go see a Yes concert. Not that Rush doesn't have emotion, but you know what I mean..Ta ta for now.. Cheers from NM Dan You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. -Hirohito, ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Parker <parkert@cerf.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:13:56 -0700 Subject: Re: 06/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2059 I agree that Alex Van Halen is a very talented drummer. Although, recent Van Halen albums have been decent at best, if you listen to the earlier stuff you can really appreciate what he does. i.e Hot for Teacher, Loss of Control, everything off of the first album ect...also keep in mind that Alex had to invent his parts besides playing them. I personally can't stand people who don't play the drums and bash other drummers. I am partial to Neil Peart as most Rush fans are but most other drummers don't play in a Rush type setting where being progressive and having many technical parts is necessary. If you have read past issues of Modern Drummer you will see that Neil has been quoted as saying "it's what fits in the song that matters not how many fills you play". And one other item of interest, there are many basic drummers (because of the role they are hired to play) that can play like monsters outside of their hired project's. i.e Vinne Coluita (Sting's drummer ), plus thousand's of other's. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Z. Williamson" <daggers@indy.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:05:06 -0700 Subject: Lerxstwood Mall >Kevin Bohrer said: >PS: I did hear Neil say "This is Neal Peart of Rush and you are >listening to ..." and he pronounced it like 'near'. I LOVE correcting >people with that, almost as much as 'Porche is a TWO syllable word.'" and is spelled "Porsche." grin. favorite Lerxst work: La Villa, Camera Eye, Analog Kid, The Weapon, and that searing bit after the solo, behind the vocals on Grand Designs among others of course mike - Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors.... and miss. Robert A. Heinlein http://www.2112.net/daggers rush-related stickers ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric A. Haswell" <ehaswell@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:15:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Presto Remastered? TfE LP? 2112 Alternate Beginning? >It's really nice having all matching CD cases and "remastered" liners for my >Rush albums, but has Presto been remastered? Not only does my copy have a >rather faded liner, but it's not in the spiffy clear CD case with the "Rush >Remasters" label. I was wondering about this myself, but I'm quite certain that Presto is not available as a remaster. As I understand it, the remastering process was only applied to those albums which been originally intended for release mainly on vinyl and cassette. When Presto was released, the mastering was done with CDs in mind, so no remaster was/is necessary. Confirm/deny? >Is Test for Echo on vinyl, or has Rush stopped making LPs? I think TFE is the first album not to be released on vinyl. >I may be losing my mind, but I could swear the I've heard 2112 with, instead of >the synthy space noises at the beginning, the sounds of an orchestra tuning up >played on guitars. Does anyone else recall hearing this, or should I prepare >the room with the padded walls? Sounds to me like you're thinking of Discovery, the section of 2112 following Temples of Syrinx. Good Day eh Eric the Red "Sweet Jamaican pipe dreams" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: XFile2112@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:36:16 EDT Subject: First post Hello, This is my first post to the list, oh what a feeling! The first concert I ever went to was Rush on the Permanent Waves tour in 1980, I have seen every tour since. I would tell you what my favorite song/album is but I can't figure it out myself. I am really looking forward to the new album, can't wait to hear some live Rush. Peace and pasta! Scott p.s. Any Rush fans in the Raleigh area? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: John Breckow <jbreck@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:01:08 -0700 Subject: If a picture is worth a thousand words . . . What's the going rate on a guitar solo? Cuz I swear I hallucinate whenever I listen to Alex's solo at the end of "Mission." It is truly a moving piece of guitar wizardry that conjures up some heavy imagery. Thanks for indulging. Stay hungry . . . like the wolf. john *** "Only the true Messiah denies his divinity." "What? OK then I am the Messiah?" "He IS the Messiah!!" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "ron roach" <rkroach@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:16:47 PDT Subject: state, of, radio, and, Flawless, drumming Just a note to "state of radio". I used to live in NH and the rock station there would play only play RUSH if the songs were Tom Sawyer, or Limelite or Subdivisions. . I mean those are kool songs but too much air play. Now I live in Seattle and the local rock station ther e plays all RUSH tunes from all the albums including YYZ which usually instrumentals are a no-no on the radio. So you see there are some stations will to expose all RUSH's material. Infact, this station was the first one of the stations to help RUSH jump the border and were the first station to start giving RUSH american air play. now, I don't want to jump into this silly Alex-Neil thing but here's a guy(Neil) who when he recorded Counterparts and I quote" I came in sat down, turned up everything as loud as it would go, play the entire album in ONE setting, got up and walked away"! There are absolutely NO drum overdubbs/mixes-nothing on the Counterpats album. Try that Alex! Thanxs all for listening. The master of Time Space and Dimension..... ---------------------------------------------------------- From: chrise@spie.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:29:22 -0700 Subject: live stuff/Rob Miceli/Peart writings Regarding the live stuff: Has there been any official word on which old tour will be featured? AFTK and Hemispheres tours have been mentioned here--I'm just curious if any definitive word has come about (I won't complain either way, I'll just be glad to hear it...) Is Rob Miceli reading?? Maybe he's heard something at the Orbit Room. Also, at one point there was talk of Mr. Peart writing another book for public release... any more to that? Again, just curious--I really enjoyed The Masked Rider and the other shorter writings out there... I hope we get more! Cheers, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- From: chrise@spie.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:33:01 -0700 Subject: uh, scratch that As soon as I sent my last post, I received TNMS #2059 with a link to hardradio.com regarding SRO and the live album. Sorry! Still, does anyone know about any more Peart writings? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miers, Dan" <DMiers@nmh.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:05:37 -0500 Subject: Alex Solos For what it's worth, and with all this talk of favorite Alex solos, WMMR in Philadelphia played the results an interesting fan survey this past weekend. MMR asked listeners to vote for the "Greatest Guitar Solos of all Time". On Friday morning and Saturday they played the top 25 vote getters; which included the Eagles' "Hotel California", Henrix's "Purple Haze" and "Star Spangled Banner" and Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" To my great suprise, "Freewill" finished 9th in the listener balloting!! That's way cool if you ask me. Just a humble report. DWM "After ten long years they let him out of the home..." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: DblAgentX1@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:54:04 EDT Subject: Cut To The Chase A couple quick things... 1. In regard's to Shawn Quirks statement, I love Van Halen for one. I also love many other bands...of course Rush is my favorite, just look at my E-Mail adress. My fav. 7 bands are, in this order, Rush, Kiss, Megadeth, Led Zeppelin, Dream Theater, Van Halen and 10,000 Maniacs (With or without Natalie). I notice many other bands...not necessarily Rush related. Check out Day's of the New if you have'nt they are amazing. 2. Kiss fan's who bought Bruce Kulicks solo cd UNION, may or may not have noticed the phrase "Roll the Bones" in the song Tangerine. Could this possibly be, could Kulick, who wrote the song, be a Rush fan...linking Rush and Kiss, my two favorite bands. 3. As I sit here listening to the radio, typing this post "The Spirit of Radio" just came on. Sadly the only songs our station KEZO play from Rush are Working Man, Fly By Night, Closer to the Heart, The Spirit of Radio, Tom Sawyer, Limelight, Subdivisions, and New World Man. Oh well, who needs radio I have 40 different Rush cd's to listen too, as well as 400 from other bands 4. To answer a post about favorite tv shows...Mine are Seinfeld, Mad About You, and if they count ,South Park, and Beavis and Butt-Head (I seen on an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head, that during the video "Stick It Out" Beavis appeared to be a fan. 5. To answer another post...I have a Rush compilation called "The Tales of Three Men of Willowdale" that I listen too in the car with these songs: Overture, Return of the Prince, Bravado, You Bet Your Life, Everyday Glory, The Color of Right, Natural Science, Witch Hunt, The Weapon, The Enemy Within, Before and After, Closer to the Heart (Live ' 93) and Bad Boy (Live '74). I may be a part of Generation X (Born 8-19-79) but I know good music. Dirk, Lerxst, and Pratt are amazing...as well as members from so many other bands, that I don't feel I need to waste your time listing. 6. A quick idea for a thread...Choose the members (no Rush member) you would pick for an ultimate band...Like on Bass: Les Claypool, Vocals: Dave Mustaine, Guitar: Eric Clapton and Drums: Mike Potnoy. Sorry for such a long post. "I'm young enough not to care to much, about what you think of me" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott McDow <mcdow@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:52:09 -0400 Subject: got milk? The refrigerator on stage part was too much. LMAO later, scoots ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott McDow <mcdow@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:15:56 -0400 Subject: fav lerxst solo/PONG/TSOB Hey! Right now my fav lerxst solo is The Analog Kid. dirk and pratt fit around it just perfect. >But do you remember Space Invaders. >Or the first ever video game, which I >remember playing in 1978.. the two player >tennis game where you moved the 'paddles' >up and down the screen with a rotary knob? Slim Jim Pong! I recall playing at a buddies house. We were in fifth grade '77 (three years before I found Rush, with the same buddy btw). I remember thinking how hard it was to get that white dash in front of the white dot. Today I just realized the relation between Geddy (live) changing TSOR to baseball (TSOB) during or around the baseball strike (I think) and how it fits so well with the glittering prizes lyric. Pretty crazy. later, scoots ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Crowell" <ncrowell@jlc.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:28:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Museum Comment In NMS 6/23/98 #2058, Jason Crome wrote: >Look at the situation in another light: how is what the NMS is doing >any different than what a museum does? One of its members or buyers >buys a rare work (or something similar), and returns it to the museum >for later display. So what if in our case the work has to be >electronically published and therefore altered somewhat. I still fail >to see a problem here. The difference is that a museum buys or receives its art as donation - legal title is given to the museum. In spirit I agree with most of your points. In that I work for a company which deals in inventing, patenting, & developing new technology I can't agree completely. My biggest criticism of bootlegging (not that I've never owned any) is the loss of *creative control* that the artist has. The $$$$, in my estimation are not a real loss, as the people who buy bootlegs also buy commercial releases. I disagree with people profiting from bootleg sales - this is contrary to the spirit in which they are made. My $0.0126 (canadian), Nate ------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan C. Crowell Metal Casting Technology, Inc. Milford, NH e-mail: ncrowell@jlc.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Gray <bigearl@arches.uga.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:48:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Re: Rush in our nation's capital twice!! (anybody else have a helluva time typing "syrinx" correctly on the first try? ^_^ ) Slim Jim <jg@ms.com> wrote: >>>>> slyall@juno.com writes: > I am an avid Red Wings fan, You have a team called the "Red Wings"!? It means something fairly rude in the UK.<<< Ooh! Really? What does it mean? Please share! Oh, uh, Rush content... hmmm... Ruuuuuuuuuuuush connnnnnnnnnnntent... Oh! This might not happen all that soon, but I had what is either a cool or a rather stupid idea. Now that I've got a home studio, I'm going to start recording stuff (duh), and one thing I've wanted to do for a long time is cover some of my favorite Rush songs. Here's the idea: I would go through and cover one song from each Rush studio album in order (I think I'll start with "Working Man"), and every two weeks or so, upload the latest to my Website for the NMS gang and anyone else to enjoy. Stay tuned... Suggestions/votes for a song from FBN? I'm having trouble deciding... Now on my headphones: Marillion, _Misplaced Childhood_, "Childhood's End". Pretty cool (Fish is like a nifty hybrid of Peter Gabriel and Roger Waters), but I personally don't really care for modern keyboards (I always liked the old Moogs and ARP's and Oberheims - I'm a big Weather Report fan), and the disc is lacking some needed bottom end... Alex R. Gray, bigearl@arches.uga.edu smisrp@www.cba.uga.edu "Son, a woman is a lot like, uh... a refrigerator! They're about six feet tall, 300 pounds, they - make ice..." - Homer Simpson ---------------------------------------------------------- From: deckard@uswest.net Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:55:30 -0700 Subject: Favourite Lerxst Solo Well, IMHO I have to bow down to the solo in La Villa Srangiato. I have always found it to be one of the more lyrical solo's that Alex has performed to tape and it still places at the top of my all time best list (although I looooooove listening to Time and Motion. Haunting chord progressions!). This was the song that I would stay awake for on a tape with AFTK on one side and Hemispheres on the other. (Nothing like having members of your family walk in when you're air-drumming with Neil during the last four minutes it, either!) Ciao, fellow Rushians! Lee Michael Geller ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:34:18 -0500 Subject: Rush being faded out in Florida? <<8. oddly females ages 21-27 61% knew Rush>> Who are these chicks, and could you send 'em to Indiana? ;) Just kiddin'... Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:31:21 -0500 Subject: 70s bands with odd time-signatures I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone say Kansas yet! True, they used normal time-sigs most of the time, but they did, upon occasion, use some fairly odd ones..."Lonely Street"...a great blues tune that happens to be in 11/8 time. There's "The Spider" in God-knows what time-sig (15/8? Anyone else got any guesses?) (Or, is it in 4/4, and it just feels extremely funky?). They've got some odd time-sigs, though, I promise you. Give 'em a chance. Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:46:58 -0500 Subject: More on Alex VH <<For those of you bashing this guy sit down behind the kit...play his stuff...with the records...and post a lil' later. jeez!!! BTW I've been drumming semi/pro-fessionally for over 15 years, so I kinda know what I'm talking about.>> Well, I've not been bashing the guy (just saying he's not exactly the most talented individual in the field, you know...that title *still* goes to Buddy Rich, in my opinion, and I don't think anyone will ever be able to take that away...), but I *do* sit behind the kit and play his stuff (along with that of Roger Taylor and Neil Peart and Nick Mason and, upon occasion, Pete Roraback and Herb from Primus), and I've been playing for about 8 years now, (semi/pro-fessionally myself for only about two, now...) and so I, too, know what I'm talking about. (This wasn't really for any point other than to establish my credibility for all percussion-related posts I've made.) True, I occasionally "modify" the parts a bit (i.e. I don't play exactly note-for-note what's played on the CD most of the time), and I pick some of the "easier" stuff to play (I'm not fast enough to do double-bass work on a single peddle...I could only wish I was...), but I do play with some of his stuff, and...well, like I said, he's not exactly the most talented in the field. But, like I said before in a previous post, he's good for what he does. Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:01:36 -0500 Subject: STILL more about Alex VH <<But alex a groove that no one else has. You could put dave weckle or steve gadd in van halen, but it wouldn't have the same feeling as with alex, because no one has the alex van halen groove, except alex van halen. >> Are you saying Alex's groove can't be copied by other drummers? If that's so, then why, exactly, do I find myself playing to his groove so much? (His and Roger Taylor's (I just know I'm gonna wind up gettin' my ass flamed off one day for mentionin' RT so much on here...)...I happen to play to their grooves quite a bit, so it seems odd to think that Gadd or Weckle wouldn't be able to copy Alex's groove, too. Yeah, they might have different ideas than Alex with what to do to the drum parts, but the music *lends* itself to Alex's groove, and I have a feeling that other pro drummers playing a VH tune might find themselves playing Alex-esque stuff, as opposed to things they would normally play. (Mike Portnoy played some Neil-esque stuff on the Working Man tribute, although I think he got a bit carried away upon occasion...and if you think back to "Best I Can" and all the stuff from the first album that's played on ATWAS, I think you'll find that Neil is playing in Rutsey's groove. Sure, Neil's playing his own stuff, but the songs lended themselves to a Rutsey-esque groove, which Neil provided...) Enough of my posting this time... Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan N Waggoner) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:25:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Alex Van Halen <<Whats that all about. First of all, Alex is awsome ...anyway you look at it, so what if he cant play inside a technical paradise, I firmly believe he is the only drummer in the world where you can listen to him play and pick out who he is, just by the sound of his kit, and the style of his playing. Second of all, who the hell are you to crtisize Alex Van Halen, the way I see it, hes famous, succesful, and your not....who sucks??????>> Not true. I can tell Neil just from the sound of his hi-hat. I can tell Roger Taylor by the sound of his crash and his ride (and the way he rides, most of the time), and his tom tuning. (All this within the context of a song, of course...you can't just play a sample of one little thing for me and expect me to get it every time. But, if you can play just a bit of the drum track for me (not enough for me to hear the style), I can get it.) I can tell Alex, Roger, Neil, Nick Mason of Pink Floyd, Charlie Wyatt of the Stones, Phil Ehart of Kansas, and more...all of them by their playing style (as well as little quirks and particular rhythms they have when they play). Alex is just the only drummer in the world who you can pick out by the sound of his kit and playing style if you happen to *not* be a drummer and therefore not be in the habit of listening for all the little quirks and tuning and sound differences in hi-hats and cymbals and such. (I said that for the benefit of non-drummers, of which there's many...) As for the next comment...while I've never heard him play a drum solo (which is the only real way to judge a drummer, as most of the time, unless they're *playing* a solo, a drummer will play down to the level of the band, not to the limits of his own talent (even Neil does this...) ), judging from everything else I've ever heard him do, I'm SOOOO much better than Lars Ulrich when it comes to playing on a single BD-peddle. (He could whup my ass on double peddles because of one thing...experience.) But, he happens to be in Metallica, and not me. Lars didn't make Metallica famous...Metallica made Lars famous. As to defuse your argument, let's try this...go to a bar or something, and listen to a virtually no-name drummer to knows what he's doing. Then, with that in mind, go home and listen to Bush (yes, Bush, with a 'B'), and listen to *that* drummer. Then, come back and honestly tell me the guy from Bush is better than the guy who's unknown but probably actually took drum lessons and taught himself a vast majority of the things he does, rather than some guy from England who can just simply beat on the drums in tempo (which takes about as much talent as picking your nose, I might add). Or, listen to the drum solo from "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida", and tell me that's the most impressive piece of work you've ever heard, because the guy who played it was famous. If I took the time to sit down and write out which section goes where, I could play it, too, and probably improve it in about 15 minutes. Does that still mean that I suck compared to Ron Bushy? Good god, I hope not... I'll give you one thing, though, and one thing only: Alex Van Halen is good for what he does. Ryan/Stimpy KYA + KGC "Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers, and me." Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection") Visit my page!! < http://members.xoom.com/rstimpyw/ > PS. A drummer knows how to hit things. A percussionist chooses the mallet (or stick) for the thing he is hitting. A musician chooses the perfect mallet for the perfect moment. (I'm proud to say I'm a musician, not that I wasn't proud to be a percussionist when I was one...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: John & Darlene Heald <hidden_agenda@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:26:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Bashing AVH I don't know why everyone has been on Alex Van Halen's case of late, especially on the "Rush" list, but I feel compelled to come to his defense. Alex does what he is required to do within the context of the band, no more no less. He isn't the greatest drummer around, but he's a hell of a lot better than many on this list give him credit for. What he does do in VH is just fine, it works and for the most part it's tasteful. He's been a successful musician for over 2 decades, and plays very well on his band's latest release. I was also impressed with his playing on the recent MTV "10 Spot" concert from Sydney. I've seen the guy live, and firmly believe he did no "extra tracking" on "Hot for Teacher". I'm a drummer myself, and have played professionally for about 25 years. You can take that or leave it, but I do have some knowlege on the subject. Having said that... I can't understand why some of you feel the need to bash a musician for doing the best he can within the framework of his band? No, Alex couldn't be the drummer of Rush today. He is not the technician that Neil Peart has always been. Alex might even have trouble with some of the earlier material (FbN, CoS). Is that a knock against him? I don't think so. There are very few with the chops to handle that assignment (Mike Portnoy comes to mind...). Could Neil play in Van Halen? Of course, but would he want to? Probably not. Does that make VH a lousy band? Not at all. Some would argue that VH is better than Rush because they have been more successful financially. Like anything else, that is a matter of opinion and pure conjecture. Most all of us here would argue for Rush for entirely different reasons. I doubt any member of either band has too many regrets regarding their place in music history, or their financial portfolio. Why not talk about Rush, Neil and what they have accomplished. Why not talk about what is yet to come for Rush (...or what we hope is yet to come). Leave the opinions of Van Halen's musical abilities and validity to the Van Halen list. Likewise Metallica, etc. etc. etc. Flame away... John ---------------------------------------------------------- From: FearNo1 <FearNo1@interaccess.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:10:36 -0500 Subject: re: THE FIRE THAT LIGHTS ITSELF In responz to RUSHME000@AOL.COM'z post... Good post..I agree with you..cant believe I agree with an AOLer ;-) I cant think of the number of times ppl responded with "They are still together???", upon hearing that I was going to the Rush concerts last year. Mind you, I am from a major market, Chicago, where there *was* advertising in the newspapers (there prob was some on the radio, but I rarely listen to the stations here for music *sigh*). There was a nice turnout for both legs of the show here...altho I dont think there were sellouts, near sellouts tho. I think it will be hard to get MTV to play rush, since its basically a top 20 (of several genres) video channel. IMHO, VH1 and The Box (yes The Box, since it does play exactly what you request) should be targeted by us. It would be great if VH1 did a "Legends" segment on Rush...or get some kind of "lifetime achievement" award. Another thing ppl can do is wear rush t-shirts, esp ones featuring the later CDs and concerts.. so ppl will know that rush is still alive. You are right. In the last few years of music, there have been a rising tide of mediocrity. Not just in rock, but in jazz, rap, soul, etc (yes...I listen to more than just rock). I have over 300 CDs of various kinds of music. But, lately I have no real desire to go CD shopping, due to the lack of quality music in nearly all genres. Due to the lack of good music, in the last few years I have started getting into reggae (bob marley is incredible) and acid jazz (yes I know traditional jazz is "better"). I also like some of the latin jazz, I just dont know the names of the bands ;-( Now if only today's music went retro with the fashion, maybe we would have a reckoning in music.... But one thing we have to admit: nothing lasts forever. Rush has released tonz of albums, all going atleast Gold. That is a huge achievement, esp for a band that were always diff from the mainstream. Very few artists of any musical genre have lasted as long as rush. Hopefully the industry will realize this one day. But I disagree that rush fans should take the issue on their shoulder and bombard radio stations with rush requests. As we all should know by now, rush doesnt care about being top 10. Over the years, they have had numerous occasions to make themselves more popular, ie hiring Chuck D to do the rap for RTB (maybe then the rap wouldnt have sounded so corny ;-)), also peart could have possibly have had phil collins as a guest drummer on the BFB cdz (phil is a very competent drummer, who will be releasing a jazz version of his songs...he jammed on the set too! IMHO he should have been on BFB). True that the BFB project isnt "rush"...but I am sure it helped rush exposure to non-rock listeners in some way. BTW, ne1 knows how the BFB cds sold? Did they go Gold atleast? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mark irwin <mirwin1@flash.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:20:04 +0000 Subject: Fave Lerxst solo Freewill, the greatest rock song ever written, both lyrically and musically, has a pretty incredible guitar solo. I also think The Necromancer has wailing licks all over the place.Analog Kid, along with the sweetest bass line, also has a damn fine guitar solo.But I'm biased. I think everything Alex does is awesome. Listen to Little Drummer Boy on Merry Axemas. Another example of pure genius. Mark Irwin mirwin1@flash.net mark.irwin@wildstorm.com Look for Resident Evil#2 in stores July 17th!!! ----------------------------------------------------------
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