The National Midnight Star #1084

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Another VH/Rush connection To the friend of the Christian. A few threads at random... Rush T-shirts? caps? etc... Geddy's bass playing Looking for GOOD sequence of Subdivisions Frequency of Rush Tee-Shirts Peart, Facism and Liberalism speeding tix Re: Willowdale The ultimate YKYARFW ? Socialism Rush Tribute Album??? sean kilpatrick's flame facism and misplaced preceptions Re: Peart, Rand and Fascism replies to various flames Alex solo's: reprise ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 10:31 PDT From: sbirce@netshop.net (Steve & Sharon Birce) Subject: Trees I would like to concur with Eric J. Mcclanahan in his assessment of the nature of the Oaks and the Maples and their relationship together. As a horticulturist listening to the song "The Trees", the first thing that struck me when it states "For the Maples want more sunlight And the Oaks ignore their pleas" was . . . so what? The Maples grow naturally as an understory tree and would be perfectly content for the situation to remain the same. This leads me to the conclusion that Neil is only using Maples and Oaks to make an analogy because people are familiar with them and because people have a pre-conceived notion of Oaks as a mighty, stately tree. What other species could oppress a maple? Therefore, in the song, the Oaks represent the employer and the Maples the employee, in a working environment. And of course, the Maples need something to gripe about, so they complain they need more light (whether Neil knows they really don't is irrelevent-the point is they will complain about something anyway). As a means to an end of getting more light, they form a union! (Gee, I think it even says so in the lyrics!). Now, my interpretation on the ending is that the union that was formed passed a law requiring both trees to be cut to the same height so that they could have equal access to sunlight (and that this pruning would continue on an ongoing basis to maintain that equality). I believe that the only reason the trees are shown cut right down in the video is for visual effect, although doing so would result in the same equality anyway. IMHO, this song is very simple and straightforward, and most people are making too much out of it. I think that most have confused interpreting the lyrics of the song with trying to figure out Neil's complete opinion on the subject he is writing about. Obviously, the song can only say so much, and I believe there is only one point to the song, if you take it for what it is. Steve Birce "Why are we here, because we're here... Roll The Bones", Neil Peart ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:26:59 -0400 From: WilCollier@aol.com Subject: Cross Of Holy Fire musings . . . Hi, y'all. Hope the April Fools post didn't traumatize too many people. Thanks for all the feedback on my "Necromancer" post--there are some really nice folks out there in TNMS land. The thread on "the cross of holy fire" got me to thinking. First of all, I doubt that Neil had the Klan in mind (and hey, I'm from Alabama--I'm up on these things <<g>>). No, seriously, he's said in several interviews that the song is about Cold War espionage, not domestic (American) troubles. "Double Agent" is probably my favorite song on the last album (and why not, ZROCK in Austin previewed it a month before the Cp release), and I really love the imagery in the lyrics. I would guess that the "cross of holy fire" is a metaphor for (to crib a line from Stephen King [and there goes my highbrow rep]) the White, or rather, the force of good. (And please, spare me the PC flames--this has nothing to do with melanin.) There's an image from one of King's books (sorry, don't remember which one, or I'd quote it) that keeps coming back to me. One of the characters, upon encountering a White (again, King's termanology) Power that could help him defeat an Evil menace (sorry to be so vague and parenthetical, but there really is a point here), thinks to himself, this is a Good force, but it is a Force of such power that it could run over me as easily is it could help me. (Hmm, maybe I'm thinking about George Lucas here instead of King). The (long, rambling) point being, Neil's character in "DA" knows "what's right", but nonetheless finds himself in a struggle with his own heart. The power of Good can be horribly demanding. It doesn't care about your feelings, it doesn't care if you have to betray your friends, it just cares about justice in the big picture, it cares about defeating the Enemy, it cares about the Many, but individuals are expendable. The Bright Side of the Force can be a very cold comfort. Quite an uncomfortable position, don't you think? It's no surprise that Neil found sympathy with the Double Agent, who in the course of pursuing (in his mind) a greater Good, finds himself commiting small evils against people that he has come to know intimately in his double life. But he perserveres to do his duty (doesn't he? Hmm, hard to tell--what DID he decide to do at the end?). Heady heady stuff stuff indeed indeed. I really do like that song. Can ya tell? --Will Collier WilCollier@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Joseph Desantis <md4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Cover tunes/Praising Rush Somebody mentioned that they'd like to see "Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding" -by elton john covered by rush. And then somebody else said essentially that, '' rush shouldn't cover other tunes; rush is three virtuosos; they are above that; '' and other crap.... First of all, to whoever mentioned 'Funeral for afriend/Love lies', just let me say that that is one of the best rock songs _ever_ written. You can preach Floyd and Rush all you want... I'm a big rush fan, but this song is great. Second of all, Dee Murray, the bassist for Elton;s band in the 70s, was a great groover. He is a bit older than Geddy. He does not play as many notes as Geddy, but he grooves right in the pocket, more than Geddy does. I would _love to see Rush try to cover this tune. I can tell you right now, it would lose its feel. Rush tunes are rush tunes. Geddy plays straight, and Neil plays straight. Alex is the only person that has kept some feeling in his playing. After I spent 10 years with the keyboard, I moved on to Bass. I taught myself by literally emulating all of Ged's bass lines. (really, its not that hard if you _enjoy_ listening to Rush and have prior music experience) The bass lines are aggressive, but in many instances they are just runs of notes, all calculated. (maybe an extra fall, or hammer-on or off thrown in for good measure) But after a while, once I had learned these tunes, It was time to move on. Sure I could play the other stuff that was out there, because the Rush lines were more busy... but I realized that there was more to being a good bass player then being able to play in less rock-oriented time signatures like 5 and 7, and being able to play fast. _Many_ other bass players have way more feel than Ged ever could. Many other drummers have more feel than Neil. Some are better. Many are worse. It's just like, I got to this point where I wanted to groove better, I wanted to make as big a musical statement, without being as brash and busy about it. _That_ is what is challenging. I know that this is a fans forum, and I still do like Rush. Every time they release a new album, I try to learn it. It is fun to play along to a Rush tune. But it is also really important for Rush fans to realize that there is more than one way to be great at your instrument. When I played jazz piano, I used to run into jazz drummers who would say that Neil was a clown. I jumped to the defense. But now I kind of see why they would say that. Jazz drumming is even _more_ technically demanding than Rock. *even Neil's rock drumming* (I should say _good_ jazz drumming...) And if you disagree, I can try to reveal some of the subtleties of Jazz drumming to y'all and you may see the point...) What does all of this ranting mean? Well, if you're a Rush fan, you listen to some good music. Why not take that a step further and explore another bass player/drummer/guitarist/synth programmer/player? There are many that do not come close to the level that you are used to... but there are a good deal that are at that musical level. And there are a some who have surpassed it. -matt ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Carrender <carrend@mwsc.edu> Subject: Geddy's masterpiece hi there! i've been lurking on NMS for a while now and have enjoyed it very much. i have just never gotten around posting anything until now. i got into a discussion with my brother this weekend about an intriguing topic. it was this: what is Geddy's lyrical masterpiece? we discussed it for some time and came to no conclusion because we were very tired and still a little drunk, too. i decided to post it for mass discussion figuring it a pretty good topic. lemme know whatcha think! ============================================================================== Brian E. Carrender "I set the wheels in motion carrend@griffon.mwsc.edu turn up all the machines activate the programs and run behind the scenes" -Neil Peart, from "Prime Mover" ============================================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert Bird (SAIL)" <bird@luna.cas.usf.edu> Subject: Re: 04/03/95 - The National Midnight Star #1081 this is a reaction to a rather illiterate drummer known as spod@u.washington.edu there are few if any drummers that could top Neil's talents. the one's you listed have their complex pieces, but have never been able to blend their complexities with their counterparts (no pun). In other words they sound good, but would sound better in a studio alone. these drummers can NOT reproduce exactly what was created on a cut so soon after like Neil can. and remember, Neil was one of only a VERY SELECT group of drummers chosen to do a tribute to the GREATEST drummer of our time...Mr. Buddy Rich. (jazz or big band, no one could make a 4 or 5 piece set sound sooooo good) He was hand selected by his daughter no less. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Apr 1995 15:38:42 -0500 From: "Dave Bogema" <dave.bogema@sdrc.com> Subject: Rush and Scientology >Don't mean to start a flame war, but Rush fans as a general rule are much >too intelligent and diverse to embrace the loony gobbledygook known as >Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard, so the legend goes, started Scientology as a >lark. He got the idea from one of his own "future cult" type stories (or, >more likely, from someone else's story). I'm not sure where this got started, but I have to reply. I love Rush both for the intellectual side of their lyrics and for their unparalled ability as musicians, and like most Rush fans, I consider myself to be relatively intelligent and diverse. I also have some first-hand experience with the Scientology religious philosophy and its practices, and I would have to say that it is by far the most promising subject ever developed that allows a person to actually improve. I myself have become far more able, succesfull, able to think more clearly, and much more musically creative through its practices. Whoever wrote this obviously has no idea what Scientology is about. I've found that many of the same topics that Niel has explored in his lyrics (along with many more) can be found in one form or another in Scientology, and they are actually explore much deeper than Neil did (many questions can actually be answered rather than pondered) I would have to think that Rush fans, being relatively intellectual-minded people, would not reject an amazing new subject such as Scientology on a mere rumor. Rather, I think that they would expore the subject for themselves by reading a book or two on the subject ( I would recommend "Dianetics" or "Scientology: Fundamentals of Thought") or visiting a local Scientology organization and then deciding for themselves if there is merit to Scientology. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:55:07 -0500 From: rochette@eas.slu.edu Subject: assorted stuff Aaron Scifres was curious about "obscure" Rush tunes...how about these? 1. "Between the Wheels" (_Grace..._): Possibly the angriest sounding Rush tune I can think of since their earlier days. 2. "The Camera Eye" (_Moving Pictures_): I think the only time I heard this on the radio was when I played it on my show. 3. Side 2 of _Permanent Waves_: "Entre Nous," "Different Strings," and "Natural Science." These have sentimental value; _PW_ was my first album (vinyl, no less), and these are what got me listen- ing in the first place. Sigh. 4. "Available Light" (_Presto_): Can't explain what it is about this one, but it's a perfect end to the record, imo. 5. "Before and After" (_Rush_): Possibly my favorite from the debut. I'm sure there are others, but this seemed sufficient for now! :-) Peter Stewart (among others) had this to offer about openers: >Opening bands -- I have seen Rush at least twice on each tour since HYF. I >have yet to enjoy an opening act. This is partly due to my eagerness for the >Rush set to begin, however, the openers have not been all that good. It was >truly painful to sit through Mr. Big. In fact I ended up walking around the >perimeter of the Meadowlands Arena for most of their sets. Unfortunately I >could still hear them all too well. My wife and I saw them multiple times, not by choice. The last time we just wore earplugs and played cribbage. :-) >Some wanna be guitar hero whose name escapes me (Vinny something I think) >opened on the RTB tour (MSG 12/6, 12/7 1991) Once again less than enjoyable. >I finally learned my lesson and showed up at a quater to nine for the CP tour. Vinnie Moore, I believe. For CP, Primus opened in St. Louis, and my friend Andi and I just walked laps 'round the Arena, which was just shut down forever. Rush in the new Kiel Center should be interesting. Better acoustics, hopefully. >Rush should consider doing a tour similar to Yes. No opener just three solid >hours of Rush. This would allow for some of the less well known material to be >played and really give the fans their money's worth. There's an idea. Saw those shows w/Yes; back in '84, a Bugs Bunny cartoon was the opener. There has been talk (mostly bad) about Marillion opening for them during the _PoW_ tour. Personally, that was the best opener for _ANY_ band I've seen, before or since, with the possible exception of Stevie Ray Vaughn (!) opening for the Moody Blues in '83. In that case, SRV blew me away, while I left feeling sorry for the Moodies. In any case, I have a tough time understanding why Marillion was getting booed and having projectiles launched at them. For my money, Marillion (with Fish) is/was nothing short of phenomenal. Seeing _Misplaced Childhood_ done live and _THEN_ having Rush play on home soil (sort of; Montreal) was one of the biggest thrills of my life. If people gave them a chance and listened, they might've enjoyed the music. Their music had a lot of the qualities Rush fans look for; sharp, impressive musicianship and insightful lyrics. I feel sorry for the band _and_ for the nay-sayers; they both lost in that sense. Just my opinion; sorry for babbling. Jim Lenox noted: >I still love rush but now the only two albums that I'm not completely sick of >are Caress of Steel And GuP. Oh well - Enjoy This kinda frightens me. I can't believe that Rush fans don't listen to other artists; I know they do, given the knowledge of other bands that are cited in this list alone. I can't imagine listening to one band so much that I get sick of them. I have a friend who essentially listened to nothing _but_ Rush, and it drove me insane to ride in his truck. I tried to get him to listen to other things (e.g., Genesis, whose _Duke_ tape is playing as I write this), but no soap. I think he _still_ listens to Rush pretty exclusively, although he's branched into country, so this upcoming Rush release ought to tickle him pink. :-) Along the same lines (sort of), John Walker listed: >My personal top 5 guitarists (in no particular order) >1) Alex Lifeson ;-) >2) Eddie Van Halen >3) Gary Moore >4) Eric Johnson >5) John Sykes/Ty Tabor (tie) Not that you asked, but my favorite non-Rush musicians (no particular order) include: Guitarists: 1. Richard Thompson (Fairport Convention, Linda Thompson, solo) 2. Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits, Notting Hillbillies, solo) 3. Bob Mould (Husker Du, Sugar, solo) 4. Glenn Phillips (GP Band; has anyone else heard of this guy?) 5. David Gilmour (Pink Floyd, solo) Bassists: 1. Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report, solo) 2. Jeff Berlin (Bruford, sessions, solo) 3. Chris Squire (Yes) 4. Bill Rea (Glenn Phillips Band) 5. John Wetton (King Crimson, UK, Asia, others) Drummers: 1. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, solo) 2. Kenny Aronoff (Mellencamp, sessions) 3. Keith Moon (Who) Any others? It would be interesting to get an idea of the tastes of the readership. I know there was recently a second fave poll; I'd be curious to find out the other musicians that we consider to be on a par with Rush, and not necessarily second place! Sorry for the long bandwidth! **************************************************************************** Scott M. Rochette (314) 977-3133 (voice) Department of Earth & Atmospheric Sciences (314) 977-3117 (fax) Saint Louis University rochette@omega.eas.slu.edu (Internet) "Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced." Neil Peart Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own; I don't speak for the Department or for SLU, nor do they speak for me. Nor would I want to. **************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr Darren I Lacey <ps11dl@surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Backstage Club address Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 21:05:24 BST Hi all, Does anyone know the address of the Backstage Club? It was posted about a fortnight ago as this: 2250 Tropicana Avenue, Las Vegas, NV 89119 But in a recent copy of 'Metal Hammer', it gave the address as; 951 Toni Avenue, Las Vegas, NV 89120 Have they moved, or is one of these wrong? To save list space, perhaps you couldmail me personally (unless anyone else wants to know). PS - Thanks again to Evan for the .sig help!! [ As far as I know *both* addresses work. If you're going to visit in person, though, use the "Toni" address. : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren Lacey 'Too many rapids Keep us sweeping along, ps11dl@surrey.ac.uk Too many captains Keep on steering us wrong' Surrey University Second Nature - RUSH ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Schussman <schussat@whitman.edu> Subject: Presto! (And other topics) I'm quite a lurker around here. I'd say this is my third post since September sometime. Anyhoo, I thought I'd just share some comments: 1) Cheers to the creators of the recent April Fools Day news items for Rush. Absolutely hilarious. Is there a compilation of those available anywhere? Syrinx, perhaps? I remember reading last year's "Merely Players" joke release. Am I the only one who thinks that "Merely Players" would make a great title, anyway? 2) Presto is my most recent addition to my CD collection. To all you folks who constantly rip on it: Thbbt. I love Presto! Every song on the CD offers something to me. The Pass is without a doubt one of the most haunting songs I have ever heard, Anagram is simply brilliant (I love the "for Mongo" bit -- Anybody know if Mel Brooks knows about that one?), Available Light is gorgeous, Presto sounds really magical . . I could go on, but won't. What a great CD. -- Alan "... rising falling at force ten, we twist the world and ride the wind ..." - Neil Peart ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 17:53:53 -0600 (CST) From: IFDF701@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Who "howls at the midwinter moon"? I understand the verse in BSAM about how "some people pray to the sun at high noon" of course, but I can't for the life of me figure out who would "need to howl at the midwinter moon." Is this just a figurative statement or is there any factual basis to it as there is in "pray to the sun at high noon"? Just curious if anyone knows. Thanks! Michael Hannaman [ Werewolves my dear.. :-) : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:01:50 -0500 From: lee@mcbi-34.med.nyu.edu Subject: Re: 04/03/95 - The National Midnight Star #1081 > >2) On the ending of 2112: how can a suicide be a happy ending? No matter >how you interpret the story (eg. "We have assumed control" is the priests or >the protagonist), the suicide (which is how I interpret "my life blood >spills over...") is a bummer of an ending. Not that this makes it bad (my >disclaimer to head off flames of "how can you say Rush has bad..."), but >just a bummer. Excellent point. In terms of the broader story, yes, I believe the ending is optimistic. But, in terms of the personal story of the budding guitarist, the ending tragic: here's a guy who has found a way to create music, to bring joy into his life and into others', taking his own life. In a short span of time, he finds meaning in his life and then has it taken away; he feels the loss so deeply that he cannot "carry on this cold and Subj: #2(3) 04/10/95 - The National Midnight Star #1084 Date: Tue, Apr 11, 1995 4:50 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- empty life". His vision of the Oracle, rather than give him hope, seems only to make matters worse by showing him a glimpse of what his life might have been, "the works of gifted hands." I've always considered the ending to be a ray of light in an otherwise dark story. -----JDL------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's no bread, let 'em eat cake." -NP "I would rather starve than eat your bread." -EV "I like mine with lettuce and tomato." -JB --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Fornaris Watson <jfwatson@umich.edu> Subject: Liberals hate freedom??? My first post- I won't go into the details because I simply want to answer the post stating that "Liberals hate freedom and capitalism." The simplicity of thought behind that remark rivals the simplicity of those who call Peart's (and Rand's) ideas "fascist". The term "liberal" as commonly used covers a wide range of views. Some of these are, admittedly, capitalism-hating, but many others are not. As someone who has read much of Rands work (introduced to her by 2112), I find it to be thought provoking and true in the sense of individualism it conveys. However, after much thought and discussion of the issue I don't believe it to be a viable political or economic system. That is to say only that pure free market capitalism creates major problems; capitalism as practiced in varying degrees by many nations is in my mind the best system. So, in short, I consider myself a liberal capitalist. I should add that the this idea of taking part of Rand's ideas while rejecting others was echoed by Alex and Geddy in a radio interview although I can't recall which. Also, one of hte founders of the free market school of Economics, in the classic "The Road to Serfdom", suggests in passing a similar view of the need for regulation. He points out the distinction between equality and allowance of opportunity within the capitalist system while still allowing for regulation. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Arvid Hokanson <n9443740@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu> Subject: This and That.... Fellow Fans, I am first responding to Joe(I am 90% sure) who commented that he thought Neil was/is a bit arrogant. I just felt like offering a counterpoint. One thing I thought is that Neil, as with all celeberties is harrased by fans, clubs, magazines, old friends and aquaintances (remember I delivered you papers 10 years ago, so can I have tickets?), and lots of other people. Also, he probably gets asked the same questions a lot, so he may have felt the straw that broke the camels back. Also, Neil as any normal human being, may have been having a bad day. Just my thoughts. Also, has anyone seemed to notice on the homepage(which is excellent :) that all the newspaper reviews, especially the ones from the L.A. Times all seem to criticize Rush? I don't know why they do. They all seem to complain of loud noise, repetitive music, no content, no uniqueness and lots of other ideas. Anyway just my observation. Sorry about the length. -Arvid Hokanson ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:03:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Anthony John Zimmermann" <97445@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> Subject: Another VH/Rush connection Alex Van Halen's solo on the "Balance" tour is a *blatant* ripoff of The Rhythm Method. Same orchestral patches on the synth triggers, same ostenato patterns... Just goes to show that Neil is about 6 years ahead of what mainstream audiences are ready for. -Tony Z. <97445@gcef.gc.maricopa.edu> ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 23:30:13 -0400 From: DennisT736@aol.com Subject: To the friend of the Christian. HMMM, That is wierd about the Christian not being able to listen to RUSH. Being a Christian myself with a Bachelors degree in Bible, No matter how ya look at it, I find nothing wrong with Rush music or their lyrics. If anything, I wish more musicians put for that same commitment to excellent that RUSH does when they compose music. I will listen to RUSH long before I will listen to some of the so called Christian Musicians (rock clones) out there. Sincerely One very dedicated Christian Rush fan ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lenahan" <DLENAHAN@STUDENT.Princeton.EDU> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 23:52:39 EDT Subject: A few threads at random... Hmmm... The return of objectivism to the NMS. (not that it ever really left). While I don't want to get into a discussion on the relative merits of Ayn Rand (I'm outnumbered, and I got so sick after reading _The Fountainhead_ that I couldn't even start _Atlas Shrugged_), I do want to make a distinction between Individualism (of which Neil is unarguably one) and Objectivism (A little trickier...). Individualism is a broad (almost vague) concept centuries old. Ayn Rand did not invent it. So every time Neil writes a song like, say, Cut to the Chase or The Trees, that extols individualism, it is not automatic that Rand should be given credit as the inspiration. Objectivism (to my understanding) is a very specific, somewhat extreme example of individualism that totally regects even private altruism and sympathy for those who are at the bottom rung of society. Rand was obviously AN influence on Neil (esp. in his early years), but it is also clear that in his vast body of experience and reading, he has picked up other influences (Dos Passos, Tolkien, T.S. Eliot, etc) that also find their way into his writing. Also, I think it is clear that since about MP or Signals (even PW to an extent), Neil's lyrics have left the more purely philosphical and delved into the personal realm, where a political\philosopical author like Rand would have less influence and writers on relationships and common humanity (Dos Passos and Eliot) would have more. So I don't think we are doing Neil's lyrics justice by reducing his lyrics to a mouthpiece for Rand, when they are far more complex than that. (For example, I don't think Rand would care how that rabbit feels, under your speeding wheels. She'd probably say the rabbit deserved it). :) Also, while I admit the lyrics on the first album are rather lame, Geddy's subsequent lyrics ARE worth study (since he's only written a few, and those aren't bad)- Different Strings, Cinderella Man (a fav of mine), Making Memories (I think?)- why not? He's part of the band too. As far as what else he's written, I'm not sure- being college student, my music funds are limited, and so I have cheap cassette copies of many Rush albums- many of which have no lyric credits. On the Row The Boats boot (which I've never heard or seen), I was at that concert (Albany, RTB, 1991 Dec.). It was my inspiration for becoming a Rush fanatic. There's this point at the first song (Force Ten? Can't remember) where Geddy stops after the verse and practically whispers "Feel the Russsssssshhhhhhh.........". My favorite Rush moment, and I can't even remember the song! On best places to hear Rush- the music makes the difference. On my way home (by way of Cornell to visit a friend), I had to kill an hour in the Philiadelphia Bus Station. I had an 8 year old Walkman and a dub of Caress of Steel, and I had a musical ephiphany during "Fountain of Lamneth". Just for that moment alone, Caress of Steel is one of my favorite albums. Lamneth is amazing intricate, and the melodies are so powerful! Thanks for your indugence. -David Lenahan "Hey baby it's a quarter to eight..." -Geddy "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear go Hand in Hand" -Neil ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 23:51:17 -0600 (CST) From: PLUONG@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Rush T-shirts? caps? etc... Hi, where can I buy or order Rush t-shirts, caps, etc???? please e-mail me, thanks Phu Luong "Big bang, took and shook the world." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:59:53 +0200 (IST) From: barryb <BARRYB@ids.net> Subject: Geddy's bass playing Regarding Geddy's bass playing: While it is true that Geddy's left hand is a mess on the fingerboard, you can't say that this means he is not a technically good bassist. Just listen! His playing is ALWAYS extremely clean and he can play faster than most! What does it matter where his thumb goes or that his fingers have lots of excess motion? Also, I've always respected his decision not to use slapping/popping/tapping or any of those other effects. While it may be neccesary for a working studio/session player to use these techniques to get work, I feel that they are gimmicks and have no place in at least rock music. I'm sure that Geddy would be able to do these techniques if he felt that he wanted to use them in his music. I read in an interview with him in Bass Player magazine that he sometimes likes to mess around with slapping at home, but he isn't very good at it. Well, if he was to actually use these techniques oon an album or tour he would probably get very good at it. On a related issue, does anyone else LOVE the bass tone on Roll The Bones? To me, this is the ideal sound! I was a little disappointed with the bass tone on counterparts. Presto is good too, but not quite as full sounding. Also, does anyone else HATE Tom Sawyer? I love every single rush song (even the ones on the debut album) except tom sawyer. I just can't stand it! I can't put a finger on a particular element that I don't like, but I just don't enjoy it at all. Everyone here and on a.m.r seems to LOVE tom sawyer... am I all alone? I guess I'm just weird... Barry Bocaner (i had a whole bunch of very amusing YKYARFW's, but I can't remember any of them now!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: Looking for GOOD sequence of Subdivisions Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Hi! Could you please get in touch with me (e-mail) if you have or know where I can get, a very good, accurate sequence to Subdivisions? Thanks. ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * ************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Frequency of Rush Tee-Shirts Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 02:21:49 EDT From: James Hubert Falkner <jhf@cis.ufl.edu> The Rush T-shirt count definitely goes way up as you enter the 'geek' section of campus (i.e. engineering, physical sciences, etc..) The RUSH T-shirt (as in Rush Sigma Lambda Upsilon Tau Fall 1995!) count goes WAY up as you enter the more 'Liberal' section of campus... The RUSH T-shirt (Limbaugh, no doubt) count goes way up when you enter the business section of campus... The Rush T-shirt (the band) count goes through the roof as you enter my room... ---/jhf/--- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:41:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mark D. Lamoree" <mlamore@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: Peart, Facism and Liberalism Several issues ago, some one mentioned that our sainted professor had been accused of being a facist. That assertion is simply stupid. As any competent political scientist(or any remotely intelligent student of government) will tell you that the term "facist" has a very specific meaning. It refers to a one of the forms of government that values the state over the individual. Because facism sees the state as being superior to the person, it recognizes virtually no limits to its power. A facist government uses coercion to control the personal and economic decisions of the citizens. A person living in such a state will find every aspect of his life dictated by the state. Furthermore, he will have no recourse, since the supreme arbitor of justice is the the will of the government. Neil's lyrics hardly seem to reflect this view of government. Songs such as "Freewill", "Bravado" and "Tom Sawyer" all reflect a strong belief in the sanctity of the individual. I know of no Rush songs that glorify the sanctity of the state. In fact, several songs condemn tyrannical governments("2112", "Heresy") Peart himself has stated that he is a left-wing libertarian. As for the left wing part of this statement, I can only guess at the meaning. Libertarian, however, is essentially another way of saying Liberal(large L) or classical liberal. This is the ideology which holds that the individual is superior to the state, and that the only legitimate role of government is to protect from force and fraud. In other words, the precise opposite of facism. The question then is, "Why would someone say something so stupid?" The answer is that calling people names is much easier that rationally refuting their arguments. When a person such as the reviewer in question finds himself unable to rebutt(or comprehend) ideas that he finds challenging, he resorts to hurling epithets in the hopes that his readers will take his comments at face value, and not bother to probe any more deeply. Those readers who are on the same intellectual level as the writer will read the statement a think, "Neil is a facist, facists are bad. I don't like Neil." Stupidity perpetuated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark D. Lamoree : I Am Not a Number, I Am a Free Man! mlamore@orion.it.luc.edu : -#6 Loyola University, Chicago : My Mind Is Not For Rent. Citizen, Libertarian, Gun Owner : -Howard Roark If The Dream Is Won, Though Everything Is Lost, We Will Pay the Price, But We Will not Count the Cost -Neil Peart ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 02:55:51 -0500 (EST) From: WADEBABE <BEZMBCB@grove.iup.edu> Subject: speeding tix Traveling the speed of light to get to Florida on Spring Break Listening to CoS at top sspeed(greatest album imho)..I think Im going bald....i think were gettin busted...cop was cool though and only cited us for 75 in a 65...sorry SStu...! A sfor objectivism/Rand...for anyone to adhere so stricktly to any doctrine...even objectivism, defies the very ideals it proposses...never ending circle.... Got into Rush from JJ in 9th grade...thanx Jay!!! Enough babble for now... Keith Bust the busters Screw the feeders Make the healers Feel the way I feel -Battlescar ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 03:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Robertson Alistair Iain <robertb@server.uwindsor.ca> Subject: Re: Willowdale To: cw5504@albnyvms.bitnet Subject: Willowdale and the Necromancer I wrote the original post the NMS. Willowdale is a suburb of Toronto where Alex and Geddy grew up. What I forgot to include is that the "River Don" is most probably the Don River which flows through the Don Valley in Toronto. It is from these facts that I assume that the three weary travellers are Geddy, Alex, and Neil. Until Later A.I.R. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Webber <richard@sol.newcastle.edu.au> Subject: The ultimate YKYARFW ? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:47:56 +1000 (EST) How about this one: YKYARFW you stay back late at uni, just to clock up your 2112st games of Seahaven Towers 1477 wins, 635 losses, 2112 games played. ^^^^ (You also know you have too much time on your hands.) Richard. -- Richard Webber ~ .-_|\ Department of Computer Science / \ University of Newcastle \.--._/<-- Newcastle (about here) Callaghan 2308, Australia ~ v mailto:richard@cs.newcastle.edu.au http://hiplab.newcastle.edu.au/staff/rwebber/rwebber.html <temporary> phone:+61.49.216034, fax:+61.49.216929, home:+61.49.333937 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:48:58 BST From: plxcep@vax.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: Socialism >>BTW, the recent discussion of "The Trees" has been excellent. Clearly, this song is about the horrors unleashed when governmental force is used to enforce "equality." Why do people think all the problems in the world can be solved by making everyone equal?<<<< Firstly, I have to apologise for adding to this political debate thing, when we all should be concentrating our posts on Rush. I find this interchanging of the words communism and socialism rather strange! Recent posts have pointed out, that conservatism and fascism are a million miles apart. Socialism (in Britain at least) is concerned with distribution of wealth amongst the poorer population of the country. It was a socialist (Labour party) government, who set up the National Health Service (free health care for all) in the U.K, and they believe in free (quality) education for all. They are not trying to make everyone equal, but they do believe that the wealthier members of society, should help those who are less fortunate. That is the basis of the British welfare state, and as far as I'm concerned, communism is a separate issue! Charles Pollitt. PS Music content: does anyone know what King's X are doing? We get zero info on the boys here in england, and they cancelled their 'Dogman' tour last year. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:32:09 -0500 From: lee@mcbi-34.med.nyu.edu Subject: Rush Tribute Album??? Hi all. There's been a Rush cover-band thread going on, and recently someone proposed the idea of covers by the Three. What about the idea of a Rush tribute album, like Deadicated or Encomium? There have been quite a few lately, running the gamut from Kiss My Ass to If I Were A Carpenter (incidentally, two of the best album *titles* I've heard in a while). Why not Rush? OK, I can hear you saying, how could cover versions be any better than the original? Well, the point would be that the covers would be different, not necessarily better. Lately the STP version of Dancing Days has been getting air time; I like it, and I like the original. I don't know that one is better or not. Good idea? Stupid idea? You make the call. -----JDL------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's no bread, let 'em eat cake." -NP "I would rather starve than eat your bread." -EV "I like mine with lettuce and tomato." -JB --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Edward T Schreiner <eschrein@s850.mwc.edu> Subject: sean kilpatrick's flame well, well, sometimes i wonder about people. first sean goes off about rush limbaugh, which i admit i somewhat agreed with, but had no place on the tnmns. there's too much about rush l. already. then he goes off and ridicules me 'cause i like adam clayton. so maybe he doesn't have incredible "talent" on the bass, but think he sounds great. i think that a lot of rush fans forget that in most music, the bass is more of a background, rhythmn instrument. adam makes u2's music flow and is more key in the rhythmn section than larry is, i believe. as to sean saying i've obviously never listened to any intelligent music, well, sean i guess you got me there. i all of my favorite bands, like rush, are all for blithering idiots. what intelligent music do you listen to sean, so i can become enlightened like you? -ed p.s. my apologies to others, but i feel this arrogance on sean's part was a little unwarranted. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sridhar P. Rao" <cfynx@Glue.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:25:27 -0400 Subject: facism and misplaced preceptions To all these articles concerning facsim and the false perception of freedom through mainstream "republicanism" (which is a far cry joke from the support of freedom) there can be a few points made. To keep things in the bounds of the NMS, Peart can def. not be called a blind supporter of the "big corporation" types that run things now. Instead of big government we are now stuck with big money- either way it has no soul. Facists are people like Musollini, Stalin, and Hitler, who would love to abolish such a thing as the fourth ammendment (sound familiar?) and at the same time ban the private ownership of arms. Freedom has never been a serious issue in the latest political "mainstream" (about as serious as the comedy called family values). If all these "wisemen" and dittoheads were the least bit concerned about America and its values they could listen to rush and see that its not a liberal or conservative issue but one of pure freedom and humanism, to make the point read some songs: Tom Sawyer Big Money Subdivisions 2112 Prime Mover Alien Shore Lock and Key >...to name a few. And finally the oh-so controversial Trees, many times has there been a trees discussion on this group. It is clearly a song about the use of means to enforce a so called "equality" but in its statement it is inherent of the sad state for the need of such devices. A metaphor is a comparison and cant be taken literally. The maples and oaks have been many different people throughout history and the fact that we look at in the contexts that we have been only proves that we have a long way to go. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: LStromme@medadmin-po.medadmin.uiowa.edu Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 09:39 CST Subject: Re: Peart, Rand and Fascism john ambrose wrote: {sniparoo} >Liberals hate freedom and capitalism. bull (but i LOVE a narrow-minded generalization every now and then) >Thus they attempt to smear anyone to the left of Bill Clinton by >calling them "fascists." ummm...don't you mean anyone to the *right* of b.c.? >Liberals just hate to see an intelligent, articulate celebrity like >Neil opposing socialism. there you go with the sweeping generalizations again. *sigh* where on earth did you get the idea that all liberals espouse socialism?!?!? THIS liberal happens to think that individualism (and the rights of every individual) is one of the most important tenets of our society (hmmm...an individual's right to reproductive freedom, an individual's right to freedom of religion (including separation of church and state), an individual's right to serve their country regardless of their affectional/sexual preferences - just name a few - leap to mind). obligatory rush content: does anyone know what neil peart's views are on issues like these? or whether his political views in general lean to the right or to the left? i've always liked his lyrics, and i've been a dreaded liberal as long as i can remember - further, i've never found peart's writing to be the antithesis of my own viewpoints. any thoughts on this? lori ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:51:54 -0400 Subj: #3(3) 04/10/95 - The National Midnight Star #1084 Date: Tue, Apr 11, 1995 4:50 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- From: deca@morgan.com (Gerard Decatrel) Subject: replies to various flames > Sounds like a very racist and/or sexist-driven statement to me. "a group > TRIES to attain EQUALITY"? Please justify your statement. I don't believe that people who have earned wealth should have it stripped from them. I don't believe that Olympic runners should be hobbled so the rest of us can keep out. I don't think those of us with sight should be blinded out of "fairness" The point is, oaks and maples each have special qualities and they should be allowed to use them . . . the forest will be better off. God gave the oaks their height, for whatever reason. Who are the maples to take that away. > >The maples could have occupied a different part of the forest that they > would own outright and where they would not have to compete with oaks for > light.< > > And I'm sorry, but that sounds like forced segregation to me. Go be with your > own kind, etc. who said anything about force? not me. it was the maples wanted to use "hatchet, axe and saw" on the Oaks. If the maples can't live with the oaks, they should leave in peace. No maple syrup needs to be shed. > I'd love to steal a job, but can't even come by one honestly unless it > involves being asked (rudely) if I "work here" or entails my having to ask > people if they want fries with that! I worked in a sweatshop for *less* than minimum wage for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for several months because it was the best job I could get at the time. > frankly, as someone with oodles of talent but little experience with such modesty, you're sure to go far in the world > Gerard, your pro-separatist (or whatever the hell it was) argument > doesn't wash with me. I'm in no position to opt out of society, much as > I might like to do so. I want to see it improved. And if that involves > cutting some deadwood down to size, so be it. Pass me my chainsaw! who are you to judge the deadwood from the fruitful branch. Are You God? I'm no racist. I don't believe in using force. I don't believe in forced-segragation and I don't believe in forced-integration. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 10:11:01 -0400 From: "ANDREW R. LOGUE" <loguear@a1.lldmpc.umc.dupont.com> Subject: Alex solo's: reprise OK Kids it's time for Dr. Braino! Cool Alex solo's? Which ones aren't?! My fave's include: A Lerxst in Wonderland ( the quintessential Lifeson ) A Fairwell to Kings ( he probably got a speeding ticket for this! ) The Trees ( horribly reproduced live, though ) Limelight ( needs no explanation ) Mission ( reminds me of "the good olde days" ) Kid Gloves ( the whole song is underrated ) Digital Man ( this one, too! ) Between the Wheels ( uhh... it's just cool, OK? ) The Twilight Zone ( squeaky n' scary! ) Dionysus ( dig 'dat crazy slap-back echo! ) and last but certainly not least... DIFFERENT STRINGS! ( the fact that this solo is so weird and ear twisting is what makes it so cool. what... you were expecting something pretty? Lerxst himself expressed lament over the fact that they faded it out just as he was startin' wail! ) Also: puanani, you don't have to play guitar to appreciate a good solo! If it moves you...it MOVES you! Gub-bye! Andy ----------------------------------------------------------
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