The National Midnight Star #1081

Subj: #1(3) 04/03/95 - The National Midnight Star #1081 Date: Tue, Apr 4, 1995 3:25 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here --------
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Rush wrecks/tickets I hope Rush gets more airplay to the friend of the Christian SRO/Van Halen get a calander News Story: Rush, Limbaugh to tour Rand, Peart, and fascism Favorite bass lines continued The Trees...revisited Wanted: fellow musicians Album Covers. Traveling with Rush Favorite obscure Rush song Great Guitar Thing SRO and Van Halen Alex's solos, etc. Oops, wrong trees!!! Re: 03/30/95 - The National Midnight Star #1079 UK covers bands/ The Trees Recruitment Mix SRO and Van Halen meaning of "The Trees" a vote against covers bits and pieces... Re:trees Hi! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:27:42 +0200 From: Hans.Degrauw@holland.sun.com (Hans de Grauw - Sun Express Europe ) Subject: Lifeson bar? and more Hi, In a recent interview in a Dutch rock monthly, Kim Mitchell (of Max Webster fame and an excellent artist in his own right) mentioned that Alex had just opened a bar in Toronto. What's the scoop on that one? Also, is there anyone out there who could supply me with a copy of the second Jeff Berlin album? It's got a song dedicated to Rush on it and is on Passport Jazz. On the opening act discussion the only thing I can say is that when you get Rush with Eric Johnson or Steve Morse or Primus, you can only be really, really happy. As for Alex's guitar work: it is worth listening to the Guitar Player flexi disc of Beyond Borders. It's an instrumental piece together with Rik Emmett (another great artist), Liona Boyd and Ed Bickert and features some weird atmospheric noises generated by our Hero.:-) Anyway, have a good one Hans ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 06:10 EST From: Tony Dormio <TDORMIO+aROCKVILLE%Rockville@mcimail.com> Subject: YKYARFW You know your a Rush fan when: - You're a transvestite bar dancer named SINderella Man. - You dress up for Halloween as The Spirit of Radio. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 06:18 EST From: Tony Dormio <TDORMIO+aROCKVILLE%Rockville@mcimail.com> Subject: Rush and touring So anyway... When Rush is touring, how do they travel from city to city? Do they fly, drive, bike, or hike? (of course I'm referring to touring North America. I can't really picture Neil pedalling his bike across the Atlantic to make a few dates in London or Frankfurt.) For example: By what means of travel would they use to play Pittsburgh on the 24th and Washington D.C. on the 25th? Anyone know...? anyone care...? Tony Dormio ---------------------------------------------------------- From: dmccormick@NorthNet.org (dave mccormick) Subject: Original Rush Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:14:14 -0500 Who is Lindy Young? He is pictured in a gif file from 1969 with Geddy, Alex and John. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:22:26 -0500 From: jchiro@peri.com (Joe Chiro) Subject: Re: Freewill Lyrics >I'm puzzled by the comment from Neil printed in the FAQ, [from Backstage Club >Dec. '85] in which he states that the lyric sheet >is correct. I'm also puzzled by the FAQ-creator's comments -- >"So what?" and "Lighten up!". Neither response gets to the heart >of the matter which is the vast difference in meaning between what >is printed and what was recorded. OK, I kind of hate to say this, but I think Neil is a tad on the arrogant side. He seems to come across to me as having a "Holier than thou" type of attitude. Anyway, the point is, one of two things probably happened: 1. The lyrics are correct in the Canadian release. (Anyone know?) 2. Neil has never actually looked at the lyrics (Most likely) that made it to the CD/Album sleeves. This also is not the first time Neil has been flat out wrong. I remember one letter to the Backstage Club asking what the "lyrics" were to La Villa on Exit...Stage Left. Well, Neil proceded to berate this poor guy in his response because "The lyrics are described in the album sleeve. So I guess you didn't actually BUY the album, huh?" (I'm paraphrasing Neil here, but that's pretty close). However, Neil misses one minor point. Those "lyrics" are not printed on the cassette tape sleeve. Does anyone else get the impression (from radio or print interviews) that Neil is just a little stuck up? I mean, granted, I probably would be too if I was considered the best drummer in rock, but still...I love the guy as a musician, but I don't think I'd care for him much in real life. -Joe (jchiro@peri.com) PS: I think Alex and Ged are great guys...so don't kill me here... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:41:56 EST From: "Scott J. Epstein 212/679-7300 X7274" <SJE@gumby.oup-usa.org> Subject: Serling, Dos Passos, Eliot Why is it that everyone, when discussing Neil's literary influences, fixates only on Rand? What about Rod Serling (Neil dedicated an album to him, and named a song after one of his television series) or John Dos Passos (who wrote a book titled _The Grand Design_ and one titled _The Big Money_ and had sections called "The Camera Eye" in his USA series) or T. S. Eliot, by whom Neil has admitted to being influenced in recent years. Or how about even Mark Twain? Neil reads alot, and in the same way the band reflects its musical influences, Neil's literary influences are reflectd in the same way. So why does everyone fixate only on one? SJE ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:14:19 -0500 From: lee@mcbi-34.med.nyu.edu Subject: set lists and scientology > - Something that kind of pisses me off --- Whenever Rush tours - they >seem to make up a set list at the beginning of the tour and stick with it >with only a few minor changes until the end. This is pretty boring - >especially with the amount of material they have amassed. I know they have >to keep the programming for the lasers and videos and midi and shit constant >but I'm beginning to think that anyone who sees them more than once onIt's b >a tour needs to find a new hobby - "Gee - Neil threw his stick in the air >during the first chorus of the song in Cleveland - but during the second >chorus in Miluakee (sp?)" - I know you can flame me for telling you >to get a live Well, Jim, since you asked, here goes: First of all, they do sometimes change their set during a tour, although the changes are minor (on the RTB tour, they dropped Subdivisions and added the Trees and the Analog Kid, for instance). Second of all, reasons abound for seeing them twice on one tour. I did it because they swung back through the NYC area late in the tour, and because they had not had a good night the first time I saw them on that tour. Of course, it's just possible that one might see them twice on the same tour simply because they ENJOY THE MUSIC!! And lastly, yes, your spelling is atrocious. > >Don't mean to start a flame war, but Rush fans as a general rule are much >too intelligent and diverse to embrace the loony gobbledygook known as >Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard, so the legend goes, started Scientology as a >lark. He got the idea from one of his own "future cult" type stories (or, >more likely, from someone else's story). > As far as that goes, it could be argued that any religion is just loony gobbledygook, depending on your point of view. -----JDL------------------------------------------------------------------- "Everybody got to elevate from the norm." -NP "I like mine with lettuce and tomato." -JB --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Mar 95 10:18:42 EST From: Steve Thibert <76330.625@compuserve.com> Subject: Non-Rush Content I just wanted to thank the person (forgot their name) from about 8 months ago that suggested listening to Primus. They take a little getting used to, but now I really like *some* of their songs. If you like Rush, you will like *some* of Primus's songs. Check out a live album called *Suck on This* - it starts out with a song called John the Fisherman, which they play the start of YYZ, and then go into the actual song. Get this CD, and you can thank me later! -Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Habbinga <habbinga@csn.org> Subject: RE: SRO involvement w/ Van Halen Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:26:29 -0700 (MST) >From: becker@areaplg2.corp.mot.com >Subject: SRO involvement with Van Halen tour?? >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:08:09 CST > >Last weekend, MTV had a special on the new Van Halen tour. It was mostly >performance, but also had some interview segments. Anyway, as the credits were >running at the end, I noticed both Ray Danniels and Kim Garner from SRO listed >under "Thanks To". Does anyone have any idea how they were involved with this? > >John Ray Danniels is now Van Halen's manager (along w/ Rush (of course) and King's X (I think)). I also believe I heard on Rockline (the one w/ all the drummers where Neil phoned in) that Ray is Alex Van Halen's brother in law. Van Halen's last manager passed away during the last three years or so, so they needed a new manager. ERik ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Wright" <CLW@NERCA.NERC.COM> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:36:06 EST Subject: Random interaction... Just a few non-related comments (well, related to RUSH of course): (*) [ bad character interpretation of 2112 pentagram]... (*) Anyone else notice how BAD the Hemishpere's CD re-mix is? I'm not sure if it was AAD or ADD but OUCH! When Alex starts in on LaVilla, it's like I can picture him playing it in a SNOW STORM (you know, kinda like the white noise & snow you get when a TV's cable is unplugged)... (*) In response to someone in #1077 who asked for favorite bass lines: Freewill, ren lenses, Turn the Page, ... too many to mention!... (*) Also in response to someone in #1077 who asked for Rush related streets & towns - how about BUILDINGS? At Drexel Univ in Philly, there's the Rush Building. It was kinda mysterious in nature - not a dorm, no class rooms (at least for the engineering curr.) - kinda like how the Boys are themselves - we see their public life, but very little from behind the scenes... (*) YKYARFW - You have a Rush Party (no, not for a Frat) and you spend DAYS making cassettes of all their songs in alphabeltical order. By the time of the Party, you're almost SICK of ... (oops, I can't say that on this forum - ha ha). One GOOD side effect: After the party, you've got some REALLY COOL driving tune tapes... (*) New nickname for the rush mgr: Cygnus, God of Balance - hey, he keeps the perfect balance of heart and mind in the sphere of NMS (corny, I know) Thanks for the great job! [ "he"? : rush-mgr ] (*) Some folks having been talking about favorite tunes, basslines, etc. How about favorite Concert Programs: Signals was great (story behind development of each song, crossword puzzle - at least I think it was Signals). My collection only dates back to MP. How about some input from those veteran folks on older tour books. Roll dem Bones!!! Clw P.S. rush-mgr. Any special plans when we get to NMS #2112? [ Maybe we'll just skip that one.. :-) When we get closer to the number (like reaching #2000) I'll starting thinking about it. : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:01:36 EST From: UNCLE FESTER <csaroka@yorkcol.edu> Subject: Bassist/Favorite bass line Well, My _favorite_ is Animate. I know, I know, not much musical genious went into this one, it's just so damn cool. The best, however, I think, is The Big Money. Wow. Then he plays it live while singing. Wow. "...gotta keep up the pace if you want to stay in the race..." -Some Guy Chris at York College, The Suspicious-looking Stranger :Q csaroka@yorkcol.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Major League Baseball players...please come back! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: gpetrosk@cosi.stockton.edu (Gina Petroski) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:47:02 EST Subject: Ear Pollution? Hi everyone! I was listening to the new Monster MAgnet Cd with my friend Doug yesterday, and I was trying to help him review it for our school paper. The whole time I kept saying things like, "These guys must have heard Rush...." "This Instrumental sounds a lot like La Villa..." "This drummer sounds like Neil..." and basically making Doug furious! He's only heard what Rush songs I make him listen to on the radio, but they haven't been indicative of Rush's incredible talent and musicianship. He doesn't understand how you can hear Rush in a song. Maybe they've never heard of Rush, but I tend to hear Rush in a lot of music. Then again, most of the time its in a band with four or five members, if not more, so I think we should give the boyz credit for only having three! (Amen!) This leads me into another YKYARFW- You can't hear another band without making sometimes outrageous comparisons with Rush. (Outrageous AND unfounded!) Kira Can't wait to see Gedd in those cute uniforms... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:33 -0800 (PST) From: cs_lundquist@ccmail.pnl.gov Subject: Rush and Styx? While I commend Michael Jund's motivation to play, list, alphabetize, rank, and talk about Rush, I must say that it appears he has way "too much time on his hands". No offense. Chris [ And posting this reply to it appears that you have too much time on your hands... :-) : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:27:42 -0600 (CST) From: SJR5145@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: Rush wrecks/tickets Howdy all, I have 2 stories about Rush "mishaps" while driving - My friend, whom I recently introduced to Rush, was playing Moving Pictures on his way to San Antonio one afternoon. Well, Red Barchetta came on, and he got so involved in the music that, yes, he ended up totalling his car! He rear-ended a Suburban, which was barely hurt, but his VW was pretty much toast. For awhile there he didn't like the song anymore, but he's seen the err of his ways and has come back to earth. Well, for myself, I was traveling back to College Station from Dallas one Sunday afternoon, and Red Barchetta comes on the radio! I was so excited, I turned up the radio full blast, and then found myself going increasingly faster and faster. Well, the radio was so loud, it drowned out my radar detector, and I couldn't "hear" the cop waiting for me a little bit down the road. Of course, when I saw him, I freaked, and looking at my radar detector revealed all bars were lit up, and I was toast. The verdict: 89 in a 55, and it cost $203 for the ticket. But I still say it was worth it! -Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:40:41 -0500 From: 3010srao@umbsky.cc.umb.edu (Sid Vicious) Subject: I hope Rush gets more airplay Hiya all.:) how goes it? Well here I am inBoston and it seems like Rush get hardly any airplay. maybe if I'm lucky one song a day. anyway how bout you guys? or gals? oh and where is umd anyway? Maryland? I started listening to Rush after RTB, then I got hooked. I have chronicles so I know a little of their old stuff...well have a cool day dudes and dudettes.:) amsu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:47:32 -0400 (AST) From: C_HEALY@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA Subject: to the friend of the Christian James(I think thats your name ) I find that weird that your friend can't have Rush and Religion . I'm a RC (Roman Cath.) and went to a RC school and I can even remember one of the younger priests telling me that he listens to Rush . Actully one of the priet (in-training) once met Geddy Lee when he worked in a music store in Toronto (this was before FbN was out) Anyways he had the never whoops I mean nerve to say that Ged was an asshole , well if he wasn't g grading my test at the time I could of killed him . That's like having God come down to talk to you and you later saying that he was a Bore. Oh well BYURE i mean BYE ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:28:35 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Mulligan <timbob@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> Subject: SRO/Van Halen > > Last weekend, MTV had a special on the new Van Halen tour. It was mostly > performance, but also had some interview segments. Anyway, as the credits were > running at the end, I noticed both Ray Danniels and Kim Garner from SRO listed > under "Thanks To". Does anyone have any idea how they were involved with this? > > John Yeah, SRO manages Van Halen. Van Halen's old manager, Ed Leffler, passed away a year or two ago. Tim ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:36:12 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Mulligan <timbob@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> Subject: get a calander To the cool guy who posted the crap about Geddy playing baseball. TODAY IS MARCH 31ST, NOT APRIL 1ST!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:20:42 -0500 From: WilCollier@aol.com Subject: News Story: Rush, Limbaugh to tour Hi, y'all. Get a load of this! Transcribed from the local paper: RUSH, LIMBAUGH TO TOUR IN '95 (AF) TORONTO-- The Spirit of Radio has joined forces with the master of Talk Radio. Rush, the venerable Canadian power trio, announced plans today for a summer tour with co-headliner Rush Limbaugh, the American talk radio superstar. The "Rush Squared" tour came about as an effort to cut down on confusion with the rock band's upcoming 30th anniversary tour and Limbaugh's annual "Rush To Excellence" lecture series. Geddy Lee, the singer-bassist-keyboardist for the band, said in a prepared statement, "We just felt that this was a good way to give people value for their money, and to avoid selling the wrong tickets. And besides, Rush [Limbaugh] only has a couple of roadies, and we won't have to change the stage before the band goes on." In a statement from his New York office, Limbaugh said, "I'm looking forward to it. I love their music, especially 'Big Money' and 'Something For Nothing.' This should be a great opportunity to give the youth of North America some exposure to my incontrovertable ideas, and give them a great show in the process." Limbaugh denied that he and Rush drummer-lyracist Neil Peart would perform a percussion duet onstage. "I wouldn't dream of interrupting Neil's solo," Limbaugh said, "but I wouldn't mind sitting in on vocals for a tune or two." Peart, currently recuperating from injuries suffered in a bicycle tour of Antarctica, was unavailable for comment, but former Rush drummer John Rutsey, when contacted by reporters, said, "WHAT??" Rush guitarist Alex Lifeson said of the tour, "I thing it'll be great to get our audience and his [Limbaugh's] audience together. I'll finally have a chance to play my favorite country songs to an appreciative crowd. And besides, I hear he has an outstanding bar in his contract rider." The "Rush Squared" tour will open in Yankee Stadium in New York City on June 31, and will run through October, playing in major-league baseball stadiums throughout. According to Lee, "It's the only way I'll get into the ballparks with the strike on, so what the hell." Spokesmen for both camps denied rumors that David Lee Roth would open the shows, and that facilities for chemistry labs would be available in the stadium dugouts. --Get your tickets today! --Will Collier WilCollier@aol.com [ Ah, too bad I didn't have the time or energy this year to organize an "april fool's" issue, that's a *great* post.. : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 13:26:18 EST From: Steven Horwitz <SHOR@vm.stlawu.edu> Subject: Rand, Peart, and fascism MarkYYZ (NMS 3/30) raises a good question about why journalists would see Neil's lyrics, particularly those influenced by Rand, as fascist, when they seem to be at such odds with dictionary definitions of fascism. Let me take a shot at answering this mystery, with apologies for length... 1) Journalists (esp. rock journalists) have no patience for complex ideas. 2) Neil is smarter than most journalists and almost all rock jour- nalists. The problem is that Neil's individualism doesn't fit the traditional political spectrum of liberal-conservative or Left-Right or Democrat- Republican. It's hard to believe that anyone could think the man who wrote "Free Will," "Witch Hunt" or "Something for Nothing" is a fascist, but those songs (and others like "The Trees" or "Anthem") don't fit the traditionally liberal mode that artists are supposed to write in. Simple-minded journalists then say "okay, if he's not a liberal like everyone else, he must be a conservative." Then they see the harder- core defenses of the individual and make the Rand connection and see him as *very* "conservative." To the simple-minded, if you go con- servative enough, you get to fascist. How that happens, I'm not sure, but people make that leap. Neil's individualism doesn't fit the traditional categories. For example, Republicans favor individual rights on economic issues, but not when it comes to what you can read, watch, ingest, or have sex with. Democrats are individualistic on these issues, but deny the individual's right to her own property and income ("What you own is your own king- dom"). If you're a true individualist, what do you do? (For the benefit of other libertarians on NMS: "become a libertarian!") Of course most individualists are inherently skeptical about the power of government to do good. If you really believe in the individual you Subj: #2(3) 04/03/95 - The National Midnight Star #1081 Date: Tue, Apr 4, 1995 3:25 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- are more likely to think individuals can solve their own problems their own ways and rigid institutions like gov'ts can't. How one gets from there to a fascist worship of the state is an intellectual mystery! It is true that fascists like Hitler and Mussolini hated people on the political left (socialists), thus some people think anyone who sounds like they hate collectivism/socialism, must be a fascist. The only problem with that is that the fascists hated old-fashioned liberalism just as much, and that "classical" liberalism was very individualistic. (There's an interesting story in this regard about the film version of Rand's *We the Living*, but that's for another time). What could be more anti-individual than Naziism? (BTW, don't forget that Nazi stood for "National Socialist German Workers' Party"). The best example of this problem is the variety of views of members of NMS on Rush Limbaugh. In the month or so I've been following it, there is quite an array of views on him - from love to hate. Why do people who generally agree on the philosophical ideas in Neil's lyrics dis- agree on Limbaugh? Answer: because Limbaugh's a conservative and on some issues he does seem to echo the individualism in Rand and Peart, and on others he doesn't. (For example: Rand was pro-choice on abor- tion and a staunch defender of the First Amendment, as, presumably, is Neil). Limbaugh is rather suspect on these issues, as well as those related to gender and sexuality. These are complex issues and most journalists are not bright enough to work their way through them. Rand was also called a fascist in her lifetime because she actually believed that people should be entitled to keep the money they earn! Can you believe anyone would think that? :) Until people begin to see politics in ways more sophisticated than the old categories, and until the media stop assuming everyone who isn't a liberal is a nasty, greedy, fascist-in-training, we have to deal with this. Anyway, this has turned into a lecture (as I am wont to do!). The best response is Neil's: "The knowledge that they fear / is a weapon to be used against them." or similarly (to borrow my brother's ORQ): "Ignorance and fear and prejudice walk hand in hand." Any continuation of this thread with me privately or publically is more than welcome! The Professor "Wheels within wheels in a spiral array A pattern so grand and complex Time after time we lose sight of the way Our causes can't see their effects" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: CONLEYW@bcvms.bc.edu Subject: Favorite bass lines continued WEll, as a budding Geddy lee (trust me....I have a LONG LONG way to go!) I felt that it would be intersting for me to go through some of the songs and decide what my favorite bass lines are... 1) Cygnus X-1 book II/Hemispheres 2) A Farewell to Kings 3) Prime Mover 4) Middletown Dreams 5) Cygnus X-1 I would have to say that those are my top five in no particular order, although im quite sure that if someone asked me about a particular song, i would think about it and have to reformulate the entire list. chat with you later, Bill "ahhh...If only I could play like Geddy" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Mar 95 13:53:05 EST From: <Travis_L._Hayden.ANDERSEN_WO.ANDERSEN_NET@notes.compuserve.com> Subject: The Trees...revisited All of this talk about the song....I felt compelled to respond. :-) Well I have looked at both sides of the arguments, ie the axe being a good or bad event for the trees in the forrest. I think the best approach to view the song is from a rational approach: that being, to what extent will the trees be cut. Now if the trees were cut to the roots, that is not good..but if they were just trimmed and groomed to a certain length then there is nothing wrong with that, to quote Natural Science "science like nature, must also be tamed". Cutting the trees to an appropriate length, a length such that all trees benefit from the Sun, and also not affecting the tree's "health", is a way of taming nature (pretty much the Cygnus concept of balance in essence). The same way you cut grass. So during the concert, when the trees were shown cut down to their roots, that was a way of showing "taming" in the *extreme* sense. Hmm and that notion can be applied in other areas: in business, in the case of restricting monoplies to form, in ploitics with term limits, etc. BTW, hard to believe, only one response from my Counterparts post. Travis hayden Arthur Andersen & C0, SC work email: Travis.L.Lhayden@aa.compuserve.com home email: Fearno1@mcs.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "BRENT J. DUERSCH" <DUERSCH@jake.dorms.udayton.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:08:06 EST Subject: Wanted: fellow musicians Hi, my name is Brent, and although this is my first post I'll keep this short and sweet. I live in the Dayton/Cincinnati area and go to college at the university of Dayton. I've been playing guitar for over 5 years now and synthesizer for maybe 3 years, and I've been trying to get a band together to play some Rush covers and maybe even some original tunes. If there's any drummers or bassists in the area that would be interested, reply to me on E-mail. Although nothing is ever definate, songs that I really like playing include: In the Mood Before and After The Spirit of Radio Limelight Dreamline 2112 (from ATWAS) Lessons The Trees Red Sector A New World Man Closer to the Heart Double Agent YYZ La Villa Strangiato (hey... I'll willing to learn anything) Brent Duersch "And the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall..." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:30:48 EST From: "Ryan Tweedie" <ryant@ilx.com> Subject: Album Covers. Hello all! Just a quick question... If I remember correctly, Hugh Syme is the artist for quite a few of the album covers. I was wondering if anyone knows if he has any other work and if it is readily available? Thanks ahead of time... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:51:26 -0600 (CST) From: DRFULLER@ualr.edu Subject: Traveling with Rush Howdy, Fellow Rush Nuts! Dino here again. Just wanted to pass on a little anecdote about my recent travel to Indiana. Last Saturday (March 25) I was making the long drive from Indianapolis to Little Rock (640 miles) after working with colleagues at Purdue University the past week. I always listen to Q95 radio in Indianapolis on my way home, until the station fades. When it finally started to fade, I was just outside Louisville. Being in a cruising mode, I needed something to get me going. I had about 30 CDs with me, so I simply reached over to the passenger seat and grabbed one without looking. It happened to be Hemispheres. Well, to say the least I was quite pleased, so I flipped it into the CD player and headed off to Aural Heaven. Just as the first few notes began, I starting merging with heavier traffic. To make a long story short, my choice of CD could not have been any better. I had that baby cranked; there was nothing better to cruise to! The music just seemed to fit hand-in-hand with the merging, shifting, and zipping of the traffic through Louisville. I was air drumming like a bat outta hell. You should have seen the looks I was getting from other drivers around me! I bet many of them thought I was a lunatic! The music was so perfect that the skin on my head contracted (anyone else ever get that sensation where your head feels like it's shrinking?). Well... I couldn't stop there, so I passed the remainder of my time in Kentucky following up Hemispheres with A Farewell to Kings, Signals, Moving Pictures, and 2112. The time passed by very quickly! To add to the YKYARFW thread: YKYARFW you can't help but make a reference to Rush in a college textbook you're writing with colleagues, even though the book has absolutely nothing to do with Rush, or music for that matter! (My colleagues haven't a clue!) Keep the faith, dear Rush comrades! Dino "Each of us, a cell of awareness Imperfect and incomplete Genetic blends with uncertain ends On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet." GO HOGS GO !!! BACK 2 BACK (PLEASE !!!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:11:00 PST From: "Jund, Michael" <mjund@stdntmail.lmu.edu> Subject: Favorite obscure Rush song First of all, what makes an obscure Rush song? One that did not get much radio airplay? For us, there really are no obscure Rush songs. Maybe we should retitle the segment to "Favorite Ignored Rush songs" or "Favorite neglected Rush songs" Here are my "Favorite Neglected Rush songs" 1. The Enemy Within - "P..P..P pounding in your temples" 2. Marathon - "First you need endurance" ASOH convinced me of the greatness of this song. 3. Face Up - Many people think this a filler song but I simply just love the lyrics and the free style that the song is played like New World Man and The Analog Kid 4. Finding My Way - good tune to start the band's history 5. Jacob's Ladder - ESL version is great. 6. Mission - Another ASOH induced song 7. Mystic Rhythms - I was sad when they played this on the Cp tour. I myself "Of all the songs they could have played from Power Windows why did they choose this one?" A year later this song is one of may faves. The video is cool too. 8. Turn the Page - Thanks to ASOH. 9. Superconductor - I like the songs Alex sings on...Subdivisions, Cold Fire. 10. Where's My Thing...The Big Wheel...this sequence on RTB is perfect Michael Jund mjund@stdntmail.lmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:05 -0800 (PST) From: cs_lundquist@ccmail.pnl.gov Subject: Great Guitar Thing Those of you who saw the Roll the Bones tour may remember Alex playing an extended solo on Where's My Thing and also on Bravado, I believe. It was cool to hear in concert because it was different and sort of caught you pleasantly off-guard. Then recently I got a tape of that tour (Rush 'n Roulette '92), and there it is! Where's My Thing has a very tasteful extended intro, and a really nice, all-out guitar burn for a few measures before the "real" solo kicks in. VERY COOL, and one of the most tasteful/skillful/emotional solos on any of Rush's songs! Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Costanza <briancos@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> Subject: SRO and Van Halen Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 15:43:08 536913400 In regards to the question about Ray Danniels and Kim Garner of SRO management..they are the new managers of Van Halen after Ed Leffler passed away from cancer...their previous manager... -- BRIAN COSTANZA FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ "I'm not going to butcher my music just so I can be the flavor of the month." -Eddie Van Halen on doing MTV Unplugged /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:11 -0800 (PST) From: spod@u.washington.edu Subject: Alex's solos, etc. Well, Alex has done a multitude of beautiful solos, but some of his best are: No One at the Bridge, A Lerxst in Wonderland, Freewill (this solo section is unbelievably intricate), Afterimage, Mission, Bravado, Kid Gloves, Ghost of a Chance. This last is probably the best, I can't see him topping it (though I thought the same about Kid Gloves). Worst Rush song? Nobody's Hero (I know a lot of people love this song, but the lyrics are LAME and the music is LAME, IMHO.) On the topic of misunderstood lyrics, I always thought that the chorus of Circumstances went: "All the same we take our chances/Like apple pie/Tricked by Circumstances." It actually does sound like this when you have a copy of the tape and no lyric sheet. Bravo to the man who acknowledges that Geddy is not the best bassist. As a drummer, I'd like to add that there are drummers who can destroy Neil: Vinnie Colaiuta, Marvin "Smitty" Smith, Steve Gadd, and a bunch of others. Most drummers (myself included) would likely say that Neil is their favorite because of his style and musicality within the context of Rush. Yes, Neil does some remarkable playing (Tom Sawyer, the end of Bravado) but these parts are playable by any versatile drummer. The brilliance of these pieces lies not within their structural complexity, but the fact that he can construct busy drum parts that still are effective within the song. The end to Bravado is my personal favorite because it fits perfectly behind the repeated vocal. Well, enough rambling. Until later... Rahul ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric J. Mcclanahan" <ejmcclan@mailbox.syr.edu> Subject: Oops, wrong trees!!! Okay, this is something I have been wanting to tell everybody for the last couple of months. I don't mean to offend (again) but Neil has the trees in the song alittle mixed up in an ecological context (of course he may have known this). If any one gets mad about this just consult your nearest Dendrology text. Oaks are less shade tolerant than Maples (of course there are many species of both) and they don't commonly associate in the north-eastern hardwood forests together. However, if they did associate, the Maples(sugar in particular, Acer saccharum) would be more shade toloerant than any species of oak, and they are longer lived and would out compete the oaks and prevail without a noble law. I just had put in this 2-lincoln worth, because I have seen all the hubbub about that song and I have alittle background in Dendro and ecology. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:37:27 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@ios.com> Subject: Re: 03/30/95 - The National Midnight Star #1079 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:31:06 -0500 > From: deca@morgan.com (Gerard Decatrel) > Subject: Re: 03/24/95 - The National Midnight Star #1075 > > > From: Sabina Becker - JOUD/F94 <sbecker@acs.ryerson.ca> > > Subject: Hatchet, ax and saw > > > > Somebody said that the "powerless" are the "oppressors" in The Trees; I > > see it differently. For me, that song is about the necessity of facing > > pain in the name of fair play. You may not like being kept equal by what > > seems like arbitrary and ruthless means, but were you any better when you > > hogged the light like the oaks did to the maples? A forest becomes a > > dark and gloomy place if only one species of tree is allowed to > > flourish. It also becomes one-sided and ecologically unbalanced. A wise > > forester knows when to do some trimming. Just a thought. > > absolutely not!!!!!! > >I was not sure if this song was pro- or anti- socialist until I went to a RUSH >concert and during the "trees were all kept equal . . . " part, they showed a >clear-cut forest. The trees were all equal because they were all reduced to >dead little stumps. zero equals zero. (maybe at the concerts in Canada the >thought police forced them to replace the stumps with idyllic perfectly pruned >hedgerows) > >The song is *not* about taking a little pain for the sake of equality. It's >about what happens when a group tries to attain equality by destructive and >coercive means. Especially when they attempts to subvert nature. GOD made the >oaks taller than the maples and who are we to take away from the oaks what GOD >gave them in this world. > >This is probably stretching the analogy, but it's something to think about: > The maples could have occupied a different part of the forest that they would >own outright and where they would not have to compete with oaks for light. Too > bad that doesn't jive with the modern fallacy of "unity" in all things. I agree with you that the song is *not* about taking a little pain for the sake of equality. However, I think that the odds of this song being against "subverting nature" or god's will are not very high. (Also, please don't write your god's name in all caps - he might think you are yelling at him) The maples and oaks both wanted sunlight. The oaks grew taller to reach it. The maples wanted to get the same amount of sunlight without actually having to work for it. Whether they actually were capable of such growth doesn't seem to matter. From each according to his means, to each according to his needs, as the saying goes. It's not nature that is being subverted - it's the right of someone (thing?) to keep the fruits of his/her/its labour, and not to be forced to give them to others for no reason other than their "need." Remember, the line is "...the maples *want* more sunlight..." (emphasis mine). Mike PS - Maples can't easily move to a different location in the forest. ;) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mr Darren I Lacey <ps11dl@surrey.ac.uk> Subject: UK covers bands/ The Trees Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 23:28:09 BST Hello, Hello Hello: Hello! I've heard a lot about US/Canadian tribute/covers bands, but are there any such RUSH covers bands here in the UK, that any of my fellow Rushians know of? Come to think of it, are there any other UK Rush fans *ON* this list (or am I the only one?) BTW, my take on 'The Trees', was that it was a criticism of the extremes of communism, and, the extremes of *any* political system. Especially if one reads the essay criticising communism in 'The Virtue of Selfishness' by Rand. Darren Lacey (I have no Rush related sig, as I don't know how to get this darn elm to do one for me!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:39:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Lisa R. Weinberg" <lrw1820@is2.NYU.EDU> Subject: Recruitment Mix Hi Gang I've been a Rush fan for quite a while and I never was able to make anyone into a Rush fan until I met my girlfriend (her name is in the From heading). I made a mix for her in October of 1993 and she still listens to it more than anything else in her walkman. She tells me she feels obsessed with it and does not understand why (because it's Rush and because we're here). Perhaps there is someone out there who will gravitate over the same mix. The Lineup Side A Side B Xanadu Between The Wheels The Trees Marathon (Live) The Camera Eye Time Stand Still Subdivisions Prime Mover The Analog Kid The Pass Losing It Bravado AfterImage The Big Wheel Ghost of a Chance Animate Chasing something new to believe in Rock the boats, Derek J. Barker lrw1820@is2.nyu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:43:02 HST From: puanani@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu (Puanani Akaka) Subject: SRO and Van Halen (whoa! let's try this again...stupid modem...) Hey gang -- >From: becker@areaplg2.corp.mot.com >Subject: SRO involvement with Van Halen tour?? > >Last weekend, MTV had a special on the new Van Halen tour. It was mostly >performance, but also had some interview segments. Anyway, as the credits were >running at the end, I noticed both Ray Danniels and Kim Garner from SRO listed >under "Thanks To". Does anyone have any idea how they were involved with this? Okay, this is what I know...which ain't much. I called Anthem last week to try and get a hold of Kim Garner (for an unrelated topic) and ended up talking to her assistant, Trisha. All of Anthem was going nuts because of the Juno Awards...but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, Trisha said that Kim was dealing with Van Halen now (about a year ago, Bob Roper -- who has since left Anthem -- had mentioned that SRO was now managing Van Halen). Ok, fine. However, it was only later did I realize that it might mean Kim is working with VH *exclusively* now! So, it's possible "we"/Rush have lost a *very* nice person to "that other band". (RUDE!, imo) In a slightly angled view, Van Halen, of course, is now on tour. When I called the first time, Trisha told me Kim was talking long-distance to Ray (I found it amusing she said 'Ray', not Mr. Danniels. Made me feel like I was some record exec. person! "Yes, uh, tell Ray I can make our lunch appointment next week..." :-). So I guess Ray is on tour with VH, right now. ??? That's all I know about their involvement. I'm sure the rush-mgr or someone else *much* more in the know than I am may have more details... Ho-hoo! puanani ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:52:47 PST From: pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca (Patricia Evans) Subject: meaning of "The Trees" Ok, here we go again..... Actually it's been a while since the last big discussion about "The Trees", so I suppose it's time to dust off my opinion. I won't quote the discussion so far since it's too long. I disagree with all the viewpoints so far except the one about keeping the big picture in mind. I don't consider either the maples or the oaks to be in the right, instead to me the song speaks of the value of compromise and cooperation. The maples are certainly upsetting the natural order of things; however, the oaks are quite patronizing in return. I sincerely doubt that Neil was trying to get across that people should be content with their lot in life, and what they have; such an attitude is so laissez-faire that there's no point in trying to better yourself, you are what you are, be content with what you have. Both sides are extremists; the maples insist on their rights, while the oaks won't give up anything. The result? Everybody loses. It reminds me a lot of siblings squabbling, about who gets the larger piece of cake or why the other one won't share their toys; without some compromise, there's usually enough trouble for the parents to step in and take away the object of the dispute. Now nobody has it. And however much you may blame the other for this loss, next time you're more likely to try to cooperate. Now it's possible that I see this message at least partially because it's an important part of my philosophy; I've seen *so* many disputes caused by people adopting an extreme attitude, winner take all. There's enough ambiguity in the song that you could probably get anything from it if you really wanted to, but I think my interpretation is valid, especially considering the song in question is from _Hemispheres_. It's another aspect of the battle fought in the title song. Patricia Evans pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca ORQ: "They battled through the ages, but still neither force would yield." "We can walk our road together if our goals are all the same." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:20:02 -0500 From: lee@mcbi-34.med.nyu.edu Subject: a vote against covers Perhaps we can start a list of >songs we'd like to see Rush cover live. Here's a few to start: > >"The Real Me" (The Who) >"Fool in the Rain" (Led Zeppelin) >"No Reply at All" (Genesis) >"Hearts" (Yes) >"Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding" (Elton John) > >Obviously these reflect some personal musical tastes, but I'd be >interested to hear what others would like to hear. > I'm sorry, but I just don't think this leads anywhere. I consider the music of Rush to be the best rock n' roll I know, in terms of its musical complexity, emotional content, lyrical intracacy, and basic overall impact. These guys are virtuosos, and if you asked me what songs I'd like to hear them play, my answer has to be, *their own material*. I'm not saying every Rush song is better than *any* song by someone else, but if I had to list my ten favorite rock songs, at least six and possibly as many as eight of them would be by Rush. Subj: #3(3) 04/03/95 - The National Midnight Star #1081 Date: Tue, Apr 4, 1995 3:25 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- I just don't see the point of them playing other music, and I don't think it's the Boys' style to do what's done before when the opportunity exists to create something new. I welcome any flaming rebuttals that are most likely being angrily composed even now (if anyone actually agrees with me, I wouldn't mind hearing that too!) -----JDL------------------------------------------------------------------- "Everybody got to elevate from the norm." -NP "I like mine with lettuce and tomato." -JB --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: DGC <dgc@livedata.com> Subject: bits and pieces... Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 18:28:00 EST (spring) cleaning the mind... 1) To Shane, who was using Witch Hunt in class: how about Red Sector A? It's about the holocaust. It doesn't bring any historical insight but it does display some powerfull emotions. 2) On the ending of 2112: how can a suicide be a happy ending? No matter how you interpret the story (eg. "We have assumed control" is the priests or the protagonist), the suicide (which is how I interpret "my life blood spills over...") is a bummer of an ending. Not that this makes it bad (my disclaimer to head off flames of "how can you say Rush has bad..."), but just a bummer. 3) To Mr. Rouse: Thanks very much for your analysis on Cinderella Man. More than anything I enjoy the NMS for the intelligent discussions on lyrics and such. It's amazing how many different interpretations there are for a "simple" song like The Trees. It makes me think of an anecdote involving the poet Rober Frost (I don't remember all of the details, so if I butcher it I apologize in advance): At a poetry reading which Frost attended, people were discussing one of Frost's poem (I forget the title) and analyzing (sp?) the repeated lines "...And miles to go before I sleep". Eventually an argument broke out between different factions, so they asked Frost the meaning of the lines. He responded by saying "I don't know...it sounded nice". 4) Somebody asked for ideas behind the title "Caress of Steel". My idea (I make no claims about it being correct) is that it's an allegory for playing the guitar ie. playing (caressing) the (steel) strings. Thanks for reading D.G. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:38:23 -0500 From: super295@service1.uky.edu (Robert G. Buice, Jr.) Subject: Re:trees >Keith Smerak describes "The Trees" as a parable about the stronger >oppressing the weaker I think most people are missing the point of the trees. IMHO the trees is about how groups or individuals can blow up there own little pesky problems into major conflicts while ingoring the truly imoprtant problems. In the trees, the trees are bickering among themselves while at the time the problem of humans cutting them down was being ignored. This song seems to be about misplaced priorities. The trees' problems were made moot by a bigger problem which they ignored. Robert G. Buice, Jr email: super295@pop.uky.edu Analytical Spectroscopy Group http://kerouac.pharm.uky.edu/rgbuice.html College of Pharmacy University of Kentucky (606) 257-2570 PGP Key: http://kerouac.pharm.uky.edu/pgpkeys.html ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: PLUONG@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Hi! Hi! I am new to the mailing list.... just want to say hi to all you fellow rush fans! Phu Luong Rush fan! Who do you think you are? You think you are a star? - Geddy Lee ----------------------------------------------------------
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