The National Midnight Star #1076

Date: Sat, Mar 25, 1995 3:06 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here --------
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DA and The Trees (none) Worst Rush Songs Scientology/Rush Yet more bantering about lyrics Bands That Suck, huh-huh Steve Smith in Montrose?? (No Rush Content) Top Gear Song list, etc. - Long post! YKYARFW Cross of Holy Fire Freewill lyrics What are the bands do you listen to? "Gub" Explained How about THIS deal? The Trees.....and a first post. rush radio re:we should all move lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 09:31:11 GMT From: J.Screaton@sheffield.ac.uk (James Screaton) Subject: Re: Synth Albums Hi All, Damon M. Fibraio said: > To that nonmusician, nonmusic loving ignorant fool who decided that the > keyboard era of Rush was "wuss music", I have one thing to say, or maybe it > is a few. How many other keyboard players have flamed your narrow-minded ass? > I am taking this to TNMS becuse I have this problem with people who compain > about the synthesizers and sequencers that Rush uses. First of all, I know > very few people, myself included that can even come close to matching Geddy's > work. The man has to play a bass and keyboards at the same time. I doubt you > could do that. Be thankful I don't remember your name. I completely agree. Apart from the fact I love that period of their work, I don't think Rush would exist if they hadn't been through that phase. Rush have always embraced the latest technology, and have progressed around it. Also as Damon rightly says, it's damn hard to play Bass & Keyboards, not to mention bass pedals, sample triggers and who knows what else. I have some experience of this as a Keyboard/Guitarist, and believe me, everything has to be almost choreographed, to be able to keep it going. One advantage Geddy has over me is that he doesn't use a pick. It takes time to grab it or put it down. Hope this doesn't come across as a flame. I'm just saying that you may not like synth Rush albums, but there are lots of us who do, so try to live with it :) Thanks James (I'm sure there should be an appropriate " Live and let live" Rush quote to put here, but I'm supposed to be working) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 12:02:00 -0500 From: lee@mcbi-34.med.nyu.edu Subject: Re: 03/21/95 - The National Midnight Star #1072 > >When I think about Neil's lyrics and how they've changed over time, the most >striking difference between "then" and "now" would be that Neil used to >write in a more narrative style and now writes in a more lyrical style. >(These terms are from the study of literature/poetry.) I think this is an astute observation (in fact, Corey, I enjoyed your entire post). I recently read an interview with Neil about his songwriting; he has indeed been adopting a more lyrical style. His comments went something like (loose paraphrase): when you write verse (as opposed to a more prose-like style, e.g. Red Barchetta), every word is the end result of an intense distillation process. *Every* word counts. > >Keith Smerak describes "The Trees" as a parable about the stronger >oppressing the weaker. I think it's the exact opposite. My reading >of the song is that the Maples (the weaker) oppress the Oaks (the >stronger). That oppression is made possible by the strength in >numbers reflected by the Maples' "union." In fact, many critics of >Rush have interpreted this song as "union-bashing." It probably is. Actually, I seem to remember reading an interview where the boys said something to the effect that there was no deep meaning to The Trees; it was all very tongue in cheek. I'm not sure I believe that. In any case, remember that, by the song's end, the Oaks and the Maples both lose; the only winners are the lumberjacks. Later. JDL "Everybody got to elevate from the norm." -NP "I like mine with lettuce and tomato." -JB ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Mar 1995 10:27:05 -0700 From: "zinnp" <zinnp1@centmail.sw2.k12.wy.us> Subject: Poll Results Subject: Time: 11:20 AM OFFICE MEMO Poll Results Date: 3/13/95 Well, for those of you who are anxious to see the results of my self-ran second fav. band poll, here they are... You're going to be very surprised! 15% said Rush was their second favorite band! Can you believe it?! 10% said Primus (alright! they had my vote:) 10% said Led Zepplin 5% said Marillion 5% said Mahaushnu Orechstra 5% said Foetus 5% said Violent Femmes 5% said Yes 5% said Jethro tull 5% said AC/DC 5% said Genesis 5% said Pink Floyd 5% said Eric Johnson 5% said Sloan 5% said Van Halen and 5% said John (cougar) Mellancamp Well thats it! I was interested to see the Rush MGR's response, didn't get one though. -Phil The New World Man ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:27:01 +0600 (CST) From: Chris Pardua <pardua@mc.edu> Subject: BMG, Hear n Aid, etc. To Rob's post in #1072: I have never seen the BMG #'s for ATWAS, CoS, or the first album. Makes no sense to me either. To the one who corrected me regarding Bruford and Genesis: I thought he played on _Seconds Out_? I don't own it, but it's listed in the Yes box set (like that's a real authoritative source of info...). Oh well, I'm wrong as usual. My question: last night I was watching a ten year old videotape of stuff I taped off MTV when it was at least halfway cool--Mark Goodman shows up a lot on this tape, if that helps date it. There was a really short piece on that project Ronnie James Dio spearheaded, the Hear N Aid thing. He mentions that Rush was involved with it, but I don't seem to remember seeing them in the collective video for "Stars." Were they involved or not? Chris Chris Pardua "It's always funny until someone gets hurt, pardua@mc.edu And then, it's just hilarious." -- Faith No More ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 09:30:56 PST From: roddk@netmanage.com Subject: Boots I just got a catalog from Italy yesterday, because I ordered a CD called Run From the Fans, which is a nice concert. They also list another DOUBLE CD concert around the same year which is 110 minutes long. Does anyone have this CD? It's called Northern Heroes I believe. If you have this, could you please send me mail on the quality of the sound? Was it recorded from the sound board right to DAT or what? Also, Im going to comment on the Trees... has anyone ever thought about it in the context that perhaps BOTH species of trees were completely leveled and brought to the same stance? This could perhaps be another way of looking at it. Equality, perhaps. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 12:44:28 EST From: "Ryan Tweedie" <ryant@ilx.com> Subject: Just a few things... Hello all, Been a while since I've posted... Would sure appreciate it if someone could send me directions to Lakeside Park, going to be up that way soon enough. Also, many of you probably know this already but if you TELNET to CDCONNECTION.COM or VIDEOEXPRESS.COM, there are some fairly interesting Rush titles in their databases, definitely worth checking it out. Hang in there Damion on the keyboard issue, I'm with you on that one. Take care all... You know you are a fan when... You call several local neon sign manufacturers to get quoted on how much it would cost to have a blue sign made that says "Le Studio".... about 500 beans (ouch). ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 17:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen St. Pierre" <sstpierr@eagle1.eaglenet.com> Subject: Favorite Obscure Songs Hi! I'm Steve and this is a first time post. I just got on to internet a couple of weeks again and I think this forum is fantastic. I've been a RUSH fan about 6 years, first getting introduced to their music through my sister's boyfriend. In the time since, I have come to regard them, as most of you would agree, as the best band EVER! In response to Aaron Scifres' obscure songs posting (MAR 17), I would add the following songs: Something for Nothing - 2112 Losing It - Signals The Enemy Within - Grace Under Pressure Vital Signs - Moving Pictures I've lived in the MD - D.C. area all my life and have listed to 98Rock and DC101 for the past 7 years. To my knowledge, I have never heard any of these songs played on the above mentioned stations. Steve - RUSH for Life! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 17:36:08 EST From: vmoerler@vera.org (Valerie Moerler) Subject: "The Trees" - Lyric Interpretation My first posting and I'm glad to find an easy place to get my Rush fix. I just had to respond to Steven Horwitz's posting about lyric interpretations. As an American, with strong ties to the promised land (Canada), I chuckle every time I hear Americans talk about "The Trees". Guess what guys, the Maple leaf is on the Canadian Flag. Make a connection yet? The song is at least at one level a statement of Canadian/American relations and it's none to friendly to those of us "south of the border". Have a good one, aye? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Mar 1995 15:21:15 PST From: "PALOALTO.CRENSHAW" <CRENSHAW@paloalto.epri.com> Subject: Meeting NMS people FROM: RENSHAW, Cheryl - PCMAIL TO: R Rush Mailing List DATE: 03/23/95 TIME: 3:20 PM CC: SUBJECT: Meeting NMS people PRIORITY: ATTACHMENTS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ in issue #1072, Evan Smith talks about meeting NMSers: > [...] I am constantly amazed at the > caliber of the people that I've met. It seems that we not only share > a love of great music, but also place fairly high values on knowledge > and humanity. Every time (well, almost every time) I meet a Rush fan > I instantly feel at ease and love finding out that we have so much > to talk about (even other than Rush). Me too! I'm always a bit nervous before meeting them, but once we meet and start talking, I'm always finding things in common besides the band (and computers, I suppose). (thanks for the compliment, Evan...now I'm embarrassed!) > A hearty thanks to all of those who organized the shirts. I really > like them, and it's good to know that we've raised some money that > will go to a good cause. I just wish that I don't have to keep on > explaining that it's not a Limbaugh shirt ;-) Yes, thanks to Juno for coming up with the idea and moving on it, and Alex for letting herself get dragged into helping me with the second sale period. :-) Y'know...when the "Rush is a band" bumper stickers were first getting talked about, I sincerely thought about adding that to the back of the shirts. Now, I'm afraid it's too late. There's always fabric markers, right?!? :-) Go ahead...write it on. In red. Big bold letters for all to see. Rush. Is. A. Band. hi to those I've met (Chris, Alex, Puanani, Stuart, Meg, Jimmy, Ed, Tony and the rest at the San Jose dinner last year, the guy I sat next to at the San Jose show, Evan) and those I haven't met yet, too (like the gift committee-- hey, Dave, if you came out for a Sharks game, *maybe* I'd even go to one!). This is truly a great group of people we're all a part of. [all together: "awwwwwwwwwww. isn't that *special*?!"] Cheryl ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Mar 95 16:12:37 EST From: <Travis_L._Hayden.ANDERSEN_WO.ANDERSEN_NET@notes.compuserve.com> Subject: Counterpart's counterpoint The album deals with the problems and weaknesses of men. For Peart feels that men should adapt some of womens' traits, as women had adapted some traits of men in order to be successful in the workplace. In Animate, the character, who is male, pleads to be more complex ("complicate me"). In Cold Fire, this same character learns how complex women are. Additionally in Animate he learns to be more submissive, gentle, and understanding of other people's ways, all which are traits of women. Alien Shore and Nobody's Hero give examples of how people can be "different" than others. Double Agent deals with the neverending, internal battle of choosing between good and evil, for which all people but in the context of the album, men go thru. For we are normally a "slave to the hormone", ie the macho, tuff guy persona. In Animate, he was told to be gentle. With gentleness, love is blind and love will "turn to a long, cold burn" (Cold Fire), which represents his understanding and changing his old ways. Our love for all humanity should be blind,not dependant on the person's race, sex, religion, etc. Counterparts represents the renassaince (sp?) of the modern man. Ofcourse men shouldnt go as far as wearing dresses :-) but he should adapt the caring, understanding nature of women more. Man must find the right balance. Think of Counterparts as the Cygnus of the sexes. The workplace (and society as a whole) has changed...for constant, for constant changes are here to stay. What do you guys think? Hmmm..maybe some of the republicans in the House should listen to Counterparts... :-) (BTW I *don't* apologize 4 the length of this post! :-) ) Travis Hayden Arthur Andersen & Co, SC ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:42:41 -0600 (CST) From: SCHROJ57@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu Subject: Hello Date sent: 23-MAR-1995 19:33:30 Are there any Rush fans out there in the se Wisconsin Or ne Illinois area who might have some information on up coming Rush concerts? Please reply back. On the lighter side you Know you are a Rush fan when (1) The pitcher of your softball teams name is Tom Sawyer and a recording of the tune blasts the field when he takes the mound. (2) You whent to the Rush concert with a friend named Tom Sawyer. (3) You are going to school at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh and the first thing you ask yourself in the morning is ? Why I'm I here and the neighbor answers you with cause your here roll the bones! PS Stay in the lime light My signature Bitnet - schroj57@oshkoshw Internet - schroj57@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 20:17:30 CST From: Thomas Beaudoin <tbeaudoin@CCTR.UMKC.EDU> Subject: Alex born again? Someone recently posted that Alex was "born again." Can anyone provide a citation for this? Just curious... Tom Beaudoin tbeaudoin@cctr.umkc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:26:02 -0600 From: cymric@irco.com (Rob Howell) So many things to say. First of all, I've seen a lot of messages here about the opening acts for the boys, both good and bad. However, everyone sit back and take a look at what bands we're talking about. I can recall King's-X, Primus, Candlebox, Tommy Shaw, Blue Oyster Cult, and Mr. Big right off the top of my head as openers for Rush. Now, I'm not a big fan of Tommy Shaw and Blue Oyster Cult, not everyone will like all or even any of these bands, and of course we all would much rather hear Rush than anyone else. However, what other band out there touring has such high quality bands opening for them. I mean, whenever I've seen most anyone else the opening band is local or virtually non-existent musically. Only Rush has the pride, the confidence, and the skill to not worry about ever getting upstaged by an opening act and also the caring to make sure that, even though it's not the Boys, it's still a quality act. Like whatever opening act it may be or not, realize that they are good enough musicians that the Boys trust them to give us the fans a good show. Kind of on the same token, I've seen a lot of flames around here about the country music bit and the periodic table notation. The flames kind of bother me, because it seems to me to be anti-Rush. After all, what do Rush songs tell us but to think for ourselves. None of us are exactly alike, with each our different preferences for the best Rush album, song, etc., and that, I think, is the way that the Boys like it. If they had wanted all of us to like the same thing we'd be hearing rehashes of earlier stuff. I'm not as much a fan of CP as I am of MP or Hemispheres, but the Boys thought it was good stuff, so I'll respect the music, even though it isn't as enjoyable to me as earlier stuff. Like what you like and let everyone else like what they like I think is more Rush's philosophy. Now, if you don't like Rush, well maybe someday you will see the light, we who do will pray for your Rushian soul. ;). Anyway, I just thought I was seeing too many flames and not enough debate. Well, off of my soapbox. My top ten "obscure" Rush songs (in no order): Manhattan Project - Perhaps not too obscure, but the power of the lyrics and topic make it to the list. Fear Trilogy - Only gave myself ten songs on this list and have to include the whole trilogy. It says so much in such an intense musical environment. In the End - Such a great song musically, and the bridge in the live version on ATWAS is incredible. Countdown - Gotta be there. Vital Signs - Everybody got to evelate from the norm. Circumstances - Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. A Farewell to Kings - Hypocrites have always slandered the sacred halls of truth, but we don't see it without a Socrates to go against society and tell us. (Hopefully Neil won't have to drink hemlock :) Natural Science - Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. Red Sector A - Perhaps the greatest song lyrically of all time: Sickness to insanity, Prayer to profanity.... We know the frustration of helplessness. Something for Nothing - TANSTAAFL. Anyway, thanks for listening to me, if you feel the need to flame me get me in my box, that's Cymric@irco.com, and not in the Star, which is a place to pay homage to the Boys, not to fight. Later Rob Quick to judge Quick to anger Ignorance and prejudice And fear walk hand in hand ---------------------------------------------------------- From: SMERAK@cgart.Trenton.EDU Date: 23 Mar 95 21:28:55 EST Subject: yyz Just a few comments... 1) I believe I read somewhere that the cracking whip-like noise during yyz was neil banging a piece of wood on an aluminum folding chair(then filtered throught effects). I can't remember where I read this...it's interesting though-can anyone confirm this? 2) I was making a Rush mix tape the other day-I had all the rush studio albums spread out on the floor. One of my room mates saw my confused look on my face. After asking me what i was doing, he casually says-just pick your one favorite song off each album. I was like...Which SONGS to pick?!!? What ORDER to put them in-so many COMBINATIONS???!!! I'm sure everyone else has had this feeling. I eventually made the tape, and realized just how neat certain song sequences sounded together. anyhow-have a good one, keith ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 22:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: James R Noble <noblejr@wilkes1.wilkes.edu> Subject: Even more YKYARFW! Ok, so everyday I read the NMS and see these cute 'YKYARFW' posts. Naturally, on my way back from the computer lab, I think up my own. So, here's my 2 cents! :-) 1. YKYARFW when the local college band you are watching plays a Rush cover, and you start getting extremly picky about certian details..(Example-The bass line isn't punchy enough..the keyboards are an octave too high..The guitar player isn't making goofy faces or dancing around) 2. To add to #1, you know you're a Rush MUSICIAN when you have to resist the urge to grab the bass players axe, and play it the way it's meant to be played. (Example..'slapping' the Free-Will bass solo..A big NO-NO in my book) 3. ANY given key word makes you think of that certain song. (Examples: 'weapon' 'chemistry' 'anthem' 'Bastille Day' 'circumstances') 4. Every desk you sit at in your classes are littered with hundreds of 'star in circles' 5. You can't stop using Rush lyrics to help you in an argument (Example- Me and a friend were discussing the idea of 'love' and I had to shoot in 'Love is blind if you are gentle'. All I got was a strange look..) 6. Last but not least, YKYARF when you spend more time thinking up 'YKYARF's' then working on your philosophy papers. James Noble (Proud, because he figured out 'Bastille Day' all by himself last week :-)) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Mar 95 22:49:51 EST From: BRENT D MCGEE <74640.443@compuserve.com> Subject: Madrigal Come on guys, quit ragging on Madrigal. I think it is one of the neatest love songs I've ever heard. I played to my last two love interests as an intro to RUSH with excellent results. Show some sensitivity; get closer to the heart! BTW, Natural Science is GENIUS! Snow Dog, Alaska ---------------- "Get Busy!" ---- RTB ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 23:36:31 -0500 From: ADAM2112@aol.com Subject: Re: #1(2) 03/23/95 - The Nati... To Tim Mulligan YYZ is sometimes referred to as YYZed because it is a Canadian air flight term used in morse code. It is on the Air Canada tags, so next time you are in an airport go to Air Canada andask them for a luggage tag. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 23:36:37 -0500 From: ADAM2112@aol.com Subject: Re: #1(2) 03/23/95 - The Nati... To Jim Heuser in response to your complaint about the Melvyns... Why in the world would you want to see Candlebox instead of them, Candlebox was a hundred times worse. They were the worst opening band, evn Subj: #2(3) 03/25/95 - The National Midnight Star #1076 Date: Sat, Mar 25, 1995 3:06 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- Mr. Big was better then them. Be grateful that you got to see the Melvyns. I'm sure they were not as bad as Candlebox. I have seen the Melvyns in NY at Roseland and they were pretty decent, so be greatful that you did not see Candlebox. Oh and by the way, who the hell cares what band opens, you are there to see RUSH anyway, so nexttime, just show up late. The Analog Kid Adam2112 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:04:45 -0500 From: go690@cleveland.freenet.edu (Alissa Zapatka) Subject: DA and The Trees I think that in DA the "cross of holy fire" refers to religion. The speaker seems to be having difficulty assuring himself that his decisions are correct ("my precious sense of honor/Just a shield of rusty wire"). But he still holds to himself for the answers. He has the option of turning to religion for the answers, that would be the easy way, but he holds out against that and looks to himself. As for The Trees, I never took the union approach to it. I look at it as a way to show how people are never truly equal. Equal in rights, yes, but in abilities, no. Some people are just better than others in some respects. In this case, the oaks are taller than the maples. They can't help this. It's nature's plan to make them taller. The maples can't be brought up to this level because it's physically impossible, and the oaks can't be brought down because that's going against nature, and anyway, who wants to ever bring anybody down? The only way to make them all equal is to cut them down-essentially, they must be killed. The only true equalizer is death. Only through death can everyone be equal. That's just my interpretation. Alissa -- quit ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:19:07 -0500 From: dhanmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (deborah hanmer) This is my first posting. To make it short and sweet: I am a female, a high school student, a percussionist, a Rush fanatic. I also couldn't spell if my life depended on it (hey, they had to create spell-check for SOMEBODY), so don't laugh too hard. I've been listening to Rush for about 4 years and wouldn't consider myself an expert in any respect, however, I would like to say one thing about the Grammy's hipe. (and sorry this is so belated but I've been on spring break and away from my beloved modem) If you ask me, which you shouldn't, just listen to "Spirit of Radio" and drop the complaints about the Grammy's. Even the guys realize it's not the "glittering prizes" that matter, but the "integrety" of the music. And I wholeheartedly believe that Rush has/will not comprimise their music for anything. And I also believe, since you ARE on the list, most people reading this find Rush to be the greatest band ever, or at least of our time, and realize something of this for themselves. It's not the prize - but just look at ourselves - we are the reason Rush is great, because we love it and it touches us in some way. If Rush is asking for anything else I will be sorely disapointed in the group. Okay, so that's my $.25 (the quarter is my favorite coin). From Columbus, Ohio (ooooh, impressive, I know) to the rest of the world: hello. Hopefully the someday wise and wonderful, Janel ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Worst Rush Songs Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:30:13 EST From: James Hubert Falkner <jhf@cis.ufl.edu> Worst Rush song? That's easy. Didacts and Narpets. And if you don't consider it a song, then the 2nd worst one is Rivendell. This is of course *my* opinion. And on the subject of thinking you know lyrics before you really do, I once thought that "I commit my weekly crime" from Red Barchetta (the ESL version, the one I had *first* for a *long* time) was actually "Like a midnight weekly rhyme". --jhf-- ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Scientology/Rush From: amaton@phantom.com (yeah..) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:18:10 EST Hay: Are any of you Rush fans out there into Dianetics or Scientology? I read a survey in a newspaper that said most of Rush's listeners have read the book Dianetics, by L Ron Hubbard. Just wondering if anyone's into this. =) (no, I'm not a member of the Church of Scientology. =) (cripes) YKYARFW: You start teaching your little brother Alex how to play guitar. =) ============================================================================= A tired mind becomes a | amaton@phantom.com shape-shifter. Everybody | The Four Dynamics of Life: needs a mood-lifter, | 1. Urge of individual self-survival.. Everybody needs reverse | 2. Survival through prorecreation. polarity. | 3. Survival of the group. -Neil Peart, Rush. | 4. Survival of mankind. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 02:33:37 EST From: JSVE34A@prodigy.com (MR RON A WEALES) Subject: Yet more bantering about lyrics -- [ From: Ron Weales * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- There are some interesting paralells between how Neil's lyrics & drumming have evolved. On their earlier albums the lyrics were more exotic & grandiose, like the drumming. As the band grew & tried new ways of making music things were streamlined, yet intensified. An earlier "Mind" period, when the lyrics & drumming were very 'academic', followed by the "Heart" period when themes were more interpersonal & the beats were 'earthier'. Imho RUSH is now "Balanced" between the two, combining the best of both worlds. Very few, if any, other rock bands in history haved acheived anything like this. Ron ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Janss L. Adams" <ubeads@mcl.ucsb.edu> Subject: Bands That Suck, huh-huh Greetings all, This is in response to James Screaton's post in TNMS # 1073. He is against people "slagging" other bands and wants us to be "tolerant of other people's tastes." If people are offended b/c someone "slags" something they like, what does that say about the strength of their beliefs? Must be weak, right? This forum is about Rush, but other bands are often mentioned (for whatever reasons) and this is accepted by all, is is not? Otherwise, we would have created a rule forbidding mention of any other band save Rush, right? Because we allow mention of other bands, people thus have license to voice their opinion(s); to promote or "slag" a given band. Danzig happens to be my second favorite band, but if someone expresses an unfavorable opinion of them, I'm not going to cry about it or stop liking Danzig. Why? Because people have different tastes and I respect their right to voice them. Take care, all. . . "see the devil kiss the hand of god see the devil crying tears of flame see the devil bite the hand of christ and know the devil is the work of god" Danzig- J. Laurence- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 02:23:40 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Mulligan <timbob@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> Subject: Steve Smith in Montrose?? (No Rush Content) > >Steve Smith > > ----Journey > > ----Vital Information > > ----Michael Manring > > ----The Storm > > ----Steps Ahead > > ----Jean-Luc Ponty > > ----Jeff Berlin > > ----Bryan Adams > I can't believe that no one mentioned Steve was in the band that launched > his and Sammy Hagar's careers. Montrose! Okay, I'll refrain from saying "Steve Smith wasn't in Montrose!", because I remember the fate of that poor soul who said that Simon Phillips never played for Judas Priest. :) However, I *would* like to know when and on what album(s) Steve played on. The most popular incarnation of Montrose was the band that played on the first two albums (1973's _Montrose_ and 1974's _Paper Money_). Sammy Hagar was the vocalist on these albums, and Denny Carmassi was the drummer. When Hagar first went solo (in '75 or '76), Denny Carmassi remained the drummer in Montrose for a short time before joining Hagar's band. (He went on to become Heart's drummer, and played on the _Coverdale/Page_ album, for anyone who cares.) I'm *fairly* sure that by the mid 70s, Journey had already been formed with Steve Smith on drums. (They released a few 70s "prog-rockish" albums before hiring Steve Perry and taking a "pop" direction.) Perhaps Smith guested on a Montrose album or Ronnie Montrose solo album, but his career had already been established. If I'm wrong, please correct me by giving me a date and album title. I suppose there's a possibility that there was a year or two in between Carmassi's departure from Montrose and the formation of Journey. Sorry for the lack of Rush content, but you can't tell me that this doesn't beat album rumors (the non-humorous ones) and chemistry discussions! Tim "We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: D Stothard <D.Stothard@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Top Gear Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 9:09:02 GMT There I was last night sat watching Top Gear (Thats a motoring show on the BBC here in England in case you didn't know) when the frighteningly enthusiastic Jeremy Clarkson announced that he was about to test drive the new Fiat.....The Barchetta! OK so it was a blue one but it's an awesome car, somehow matching the image that the song always gives me of sleek lines and a low, sporty body. How good is it to drive? Jeremy's closing line was "..I wouldn't trade places with Pamela Anderson's swimsuit..". For those of you that just have to have one (YKYARFW..) it's going to cost around 16 000 pounds over here, figure out the dollars for yourselves. Just time for a quick reply to a few recent postings.... 1) To the guy who apologised for liking Billy Joel, what's there to be sorry for, he's a great musician and if it's any comfort I love his stuff too. 2) When I listen to the early Rush albums I don't just hear Led Zep's influence, I hear a few of their chord progressions too. 3) I took my girlfriend to the RTB concert in Sheffield and she hated Rush on the way in. She came out having had a great night and whilst she's still not their biggest fan she no longer leaves the room when I start playing their stuff. So yeh, why search for a female Rush fan, make your own. (Think how many more women you have to chose from!! No sexist flames please...have a sense of humour). 4) Whoever suggested Big Money as a suitable cover song take note.. I tried to get my band to play that song for ages but the vocalist refused on the grounds that it was just too damn difficult to remember. Until next time......... .........Dave. "You are what you is" - FZ. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:49:16 -0500 From: TroyRush@aol.com Subject: Song list, etc. - Long post! Hey fellow Rush fans, *WARNING* This is a long, self-indulgent post. I screwed up and accidently deleted the recent issue of TNMS that featured the list that ranked all the various Rush songs in order of the author's liking. Would someone mind e-mail-ing me a copy? Thanks a bunch. Address: TroyRush@aol.com Also, please tell me about yourself (whoever responds to the above request), how you came to be a Rush fan, etc. Me, I discovered the band when I heard my cousins playing "All The World's A Stage" in 1976. It drove my mom and sisters absolutely crazy one Sunday when I ran around the house all day blaring the tape out of a little mono cassette recorder! ("By-Tor" and "2112" absolutely killed me!) I REALLY got into them when "Permanent Waves" came out. Some friends played me the 8-track (yikes) and "The Spirit of Radio" just blew me away - it remains my all-time favorite song. When I was working in radio in the mid-80's, it was the first and almost last song that I ever played at my hometown's radio station, which was otherwise an adult/contemporary kinda place!. My first concert was "Signals" in '82 with my ol' Rush bud Dave (who I still remember as the person who turned me on to "Cygnus X-1" - watta pal!). I'm still bitter that I never saw 'em before that - not many chances living in Vermont! I've seen most every tour since then twice. '82 and '94 tours were best IMHO. I was lucky enough to interview Geddy for RIP magazine in 1992. He was very cool - we talked about baseball and I asked him about the old "one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" lyric. I also asked him about the time, during a show at Worcester Centrum or Hartford Civic Center (I forget), when he looked at Alex, after a particularly heinous job of signing during the opening to "2112," and said to him: "that sounded like Ernest Borgnine!" He didn't recall saying it but I KNOW I heard it. Anyone else verify this? He also signed my "Hemispheres" press kit, which he hadn't ever seen and thought was very cool (I snagged it from that same radio station)! I also got to review the "Counterparts" (I do NOT care for album title abbreviations in postings) show at LA Forum for the newspaper that I write for (which I posted here a few months ago). My best seats have been front row in front of Geddy and fifth row in front of Alex. As for the new album, today (March 23) I asked a publicist at Atlantic Records what she had heard about the Boys, and all she could do was verify that Val Azzoli's (Atlantic Records executive) estimate of a probable late '95/early '96 release was still accurate. :-( I must say that I did like Fastway (gasp!) when they opened for Rush and have even become friendly with the bands former singer, Dave, since I've lived here in LA. I thought they were a fine Led Zep knock-off and still listen to their first two albums, on vinyl of course. The Rush crowd did boo them, then I saw them open for AC/DC a couple of weeks later, in a near-by arena, and they were wildly cheered, so go figure. My other opening-band faves have been Jon Butcher Axis (remember them?), Steve Morse and Marillion, a great band who were VERY popular in the U.K. a few years ago but never did catch on here in the states. What else can I say? I've gotten girlfriends into Rush, I think "Madrigal" or "Between Sun and Moon" are my least favorite songs, hate Rush Limbaugh, am sick of lame new-album rumors and think "Caress of Steel is under-rated. And I love both +Live+ and Smashing Pumpkins. Oh, and to the person who made it sound like Eddie Van Halen had to kick the singer out of his band before he got noticed: Uh, no. Eddie was quite successful a good 7 or 8 years before David Lee Roth left Van Halen. Yes, Eric Johnson is good, but that was a poor comparison. Also, Eddie will always win the "who's better" qustions simply because he was an innovator, and people like Eric, no matter how technically good they are, are still burdened by the fact that they are following in Eddie's footsteps (or Jimi Henrix's or Jimmy Page's, etc). I am nearly through, though I could go on all day about these guys! My apologies for the length. Please feel free to drop me a line. Much respect to the beloved Rush Mgr. YKYARFW:You have the "Made in W. Germany" versions of Rush compact discs that were initially available in the states only as imports ("Moving Pictures" through "Power Windows" I believe). Anyone else remember dieing, waiting for Mercury to domestically release all of Rush's albums on cd? Troy- np - "Middletown Dreams" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:42 EST From: Tony Dormio <TDORMIO+aROCKVILLE%Rockville@mcimail.com> Subject: YKYARFW YKYARFW, You've sat for hours with a scientific calculator in your hand trying to determine "The Speed of Love" and think that you've come up with the answer. For me it's 64.2 hbps. (heart beats per second). Having said that, let's talk about "The Holy Cross of Fire" that Neil refers to in Double Agent. There's only one group that I'm aware of the uses a burning cross on a regular basis, and I can't say that they are all that holy. I'm referring to the KKK but I don't think it's what Neil was talking about. For those of you who don't know, the lyrics are as follows: (yea right, like I really need to tell this group the lyrics) - My precious sense of honer - Just a shield of rusty wire - I hold against the chaos - and the cross of Holy Fire What IS the cross of holy fire? All facts or thought provoking speculation are welcome either here at "my house" What's with the Bill Gordon doubleneck Guitar? See Ya Toiny Dormio ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 07:04:30 -0600 From: s851001@umslvma.umsl.edu (Ed Blonski) Subject: Cross of Holy Fire Toiny Dormio asks: > - My precious sense of honer > - Just a shield of rusty wire > - I hold against the chaos > - and the cross of Holy Fire > >What IS the cross of holy fire? > This may refer to the Christian Church (as a whole). The Roman Emporer Constantine was supposed to have seen a vision of a cross in the 300's and thus converted to Christianity and made it the official religion of the Roman Empire. Maybe the vision he saw was a "flaming cross". Like you, I reject the idea that Neil is writing about the KKK. I can be persuaded to see these two lines as such: I hold against: a) the chaos and b) the cross of Holy Fire. Maybe Neil sees these as two extremes or opposites? Good question, I think! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Ed Blonski (s851001@umslvma.umsl.edu) "One likes to believe in the * *Rush fan (the band and the man!) Freedom of Email!" TNMS * *Titus 1:5-9 "But I'm young enough to remember* *Soon to be Alumni of Concordia Seminary the future and the way things * * St. Louis, 1995 ought to be!" NP * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:26:24 -0600 From: m.richardson@mail.utexas.edu (Michael Richardson) Subject: Freewill lyrics So, what are the lyrics on Freewill that are supposedly printed wrong? I have never noticed any discrepancies before??? Please e-mail me at m.richardson@mail.utexas.edu Thanxx! -Michael Richardson ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:51:50 EST From: swb2@Lehigh.EDU (Swarup Bandyopadhyay) Subject: What are the bands do you listen to? Hey all! Haven't posted for a while and I have to say it's great to be back! I was wondering right now about what other bands do my fellow RUSHIES listen to besides the Holy Ones. I listen (in no particular order of course)to Dream Theater, U2, Marillion, Primus, NIN, Led Zeppelin, REM, and a bunch of other bands that are on my .sig file. I'm just interested to here from everyone. Later!!!!!!!!! /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Swarup Bandyopadhyay swb2@Lehigh.EDU | | Lehigh University http://www.lehigh.edu/~swb2/swb2.html | | Box A155 | | 39 University Dr. RushU2DreamTheaterMarillionPrimusNINSTP | | Bethlehem, PA 18015-3041 GreenDayLiveREMNirvanaPearlJamLedZeppelin| | (610)758-0267 StarTrekStarWars | | GO KNICKS! GO ISLANDERS! GO GIANTS! | | GO TEMPLE! | | "Can't you see my temperature rising, | | I radiate more heat than light!" -Rush | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:50:01 -0500 From: "ANDREW R. LOGUE" <loguear@a1.lldmpc.umc.dupont.com> Subject: "Gub" Explained Hello Sports Fans! I believe I can shed some light on the "gub" issue. In the early 70's there was a Woody Allen movie called 'Take the Money and Run' ( heh-heh...he said Woody!). In one scene Woody goes to rob a bank and hands the teller an illegible note that says "Put the money in the bag... don't make any false moves...I have a gub". The teller proceeds to argue with Woody over the spelling, "It says GUN!" / "No it doesn't sir, that word is definately GUB!" This goes on and on, eventually involving the bank manager and the police and he's finally arrested. It's pretty funny! Given Geddy and the boyz love of Woody Allen movies, and the whole guitar hero schmeel that begun with "Clapton is God", it only makes sense that "ALEX LIFESON IS GUB!" B KOOL! Andy ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu> Subject: How about THIS deal? Over break I went to a music store in my hometown. As I'm just paging through the old (OLD) magazines, I come across an '87 guitar magazine with this Alex lookin' guy. Wait!!! It's him!!! Tell me I wasn't excited. How much was it? $1. Oh, and this is the one where it has the little flexible record inside, with Alex soloing on one of the tracks. I didn't take out the record, considering the quality would PROBABLY be pretty bad. Can anyone tell me if it is would ripping out of the magazine?!?! Please respond if you can answer this!!!! Thanks briaN M eichorN ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:58:31 E From: riveraj@marywood1.marywood.edu Subject: The Trees.....and a first post. Hullo all, I have been lurking around here for about 4 weeks now, and let me say, you guys (and gals)....hmmm...you people are very dedicated to RUSH. Ok, I first got into RUSH in 1990 (I am only 19 so I would've been 14 going on 15 at the time). I was a CIT a Boy Scout summer camp which I now work at when one of the staff members popped in his 2112 cd on the stereo in his work area. I was assisiting in that area for the day, so I got ot listen to the whole thing. When I heard Gedy start singing "Temples of Syrinx", I was impressed. I had just gotten Queensryche's "Operation:Mindcrime", so the idea of a concept album was intriging (Whoops, spelled that wrong). I read all the inside liner notes, so I knew what the story was about, but I couldn't understand they lyrics:( But it wasn't until RTB came out that I really started listening to them. I heard 'Dreamline' at camp (once again!) and I was hooked. I picked up that and 'Chronicles' right away. I loved them both. Due to financial resources, I have not been able to pick up all of RUSH's material, only CP, MP, RTB, FBN, Chronicles, Hemispheres, AFTK, and HYF. I like them all. I too, like someone else had mentioned earlier, started with the newer stuff and worked my way backwards. I really don't mind stuff from HYF or p/g that I have heard. I think the melodies are very refined and structured. That suggests (at least to me) that RUSH really thinks out their stuff. They don't just go in and say "well....lets see what happens." I have not seen them live, but with this new summer job I have landed, I will have a lot more cash on my hands this time around (whenever they decide to release a new album and tour). I know I may seem like I am not a true RUSH fan for what I am about to say, but I think the first album is vastly underrated. I mean, I am disrespecting Neil in any way (why would I? I am a drumer too...), but I will admit I always lean a little more to the rootsier, blues type rock. It is not the greatest rock album ever made, and it may sound a little too much like Led Zep, but it is a lot better than half the crap floating around today. RUSH is a musch different band for me to listen to. Most of the stuff I listen to Subj: #3(3) 03/25/95 - The National Midnight Star #1076 Date: Sat, Mar 25, 1995 3:06 PM CST From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-to: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Mail Split By Gateway ------- cut here -------- is a lot more raw and bluesy. Zep, Aerosmith, KISS (my personal faves), pre-80's REO Speedwagon, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Hendrix, and another great band came out of Canada, The Band. But I also listen to RUSH (of course!), Queensryche, Yes, Supertramp, Queen, and did I mention RUSH???? Oh, in a recent issue of TNMS, someone said that they believe that "The Trees" was about elegatarianism (spelling?). I am not disagreeing with that person, but I always thought that the song was a cry against apartheid. To me, the oaks symbolize the minority who control eveything because they have the power to keep the majority (the maples) down. The oaks wonder why the maples can't be happy in their shade because they feel that they are the great protectors, keeping the maples safe. But the maples feel that they should have the right to the sunlight (i.e. self-governance) as much as anyone else does. The oaks don't want to see the status quo upset because that is they way it has always been; the maples think it is time for change. Sounds like the situation in South Africa at the time to me. Also could be applied to eastern Europe too. That is just my opinion....obviously with me be being considered a "minority", I will interepret that way. That was the last question I have to ask...it is not too important, but how many RUSH fans out there are considered "minorities of color"? I know from experience, many of my friends think it weird that a Puerto Rican listens to rock music, much less a group as intellectual as RUSH, It just goes to show how close-minded some people are. Sorry for making this sooooooooooooooooo long. "Roll The Bones" baby...... -Jared Rivera riveraj@marywood1.marywood.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:25 EST From: TREAT_RH@scccvb.corning-cc.edu Subject: rush radio this is in response to the guy who made rush an outcast at his station. he claims to be a big rush fan but are you really? what you have done is really a disservice to the band and all its fans. i am the program director for a local station and i admit that i would not mind if it were all rush all the time but you cant cram music down peoples minds, even if it is the music of the gods. rush is one of those bands that people will come to if you dont force them. as MOBY says, his views are there, if you get them, you get them. "There isn't much difference between rock'n'roll and teaching... (either way) You're entertaining delinquents" -Gordon Sumner #:-| ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:32 EST From: TREAT_RH@scccvb.corning-cc.edu Subject: re:we should all move i was playing with this guy i knows nifty map program that allows you to plan trips and then computes the time for you... its an eight and a half hour trip to rushslyvania from where i live, not to far. maybe ill go check out the real estate prices. hmm...... i was going to write a nifty phrase here but my pencil broke.... #:-| ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:40 EST From: TREAT_RH@scccvb.corning-cc.edu Subject: lyrics i think weve all overlooked the most important line of the trees, the last one "...are all made equal, by hatchet, ax, and saw." we can fight over what these lyrics mean, but in the end we end up like the trees. also i thought id throw in two overlooked rush songs, broons bane and take a friend. by the by, id almost have to say all the overlooked songs by rush are truly great....well except maybe one or two. and finnaly, in response to those candlebox fans out there, i saw them open in rochester and im sorry but they were just bad. i like the band and think the album is really good, but in concert these guys arent all that good. dont feel bad, these days that kind of thing is common with all those mtv bands that dont need to make it by touring all over. ill shut up now. i was going to write a nifty phrase here but my pencil broke.... #:-| ----------------------------------------------------------
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