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Living without... * Reverse the Golden Rule? * Reversing the Golden Rule Hemispheres Gods Kid Gloves & The Golden Rule Pet names. Thomas Lockwood is getting ripped off Golden Rule Why I love Neil Peart Content vs. cost RE: the golden rule to dj or not to dj......that is the question..... Janss hits the border--and bounces college Yes breakup my A** golden rule Reverse the golden rule Re: Kid Gloves ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 13:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Gordon <bruceg@u.washington.edu> Subject: Laser RUSH!! Hiya' jes lil' ol' me back from Laser RUSH to tell folks: SEE IT! It was alot o'fun, cool beans man! If you're in Seattle,Land of the Latte, you must go. It plays every Tuesday night at 7:30 and 9:00pm at the Pacific Science Center (next to the Space Needle, can't miss it). Two fellow NMS'ers, Paul Goracke and Mike Weintraub, and I went to the show last night and had our ears and eyes blasted by the incredible light show and tunes. The show wasn't nearly long enough, but the boys have 20 years worth o'albums, eh? Subdivisions, at nearly concert levels, as well as Presto (a welcome suprise!) were just GREAT! To think that I've lived here for two years and I finally went! And it only cost $3! Yes that's right, $3! Now, if we could only get the boys to play Seattle on the next tour! bruce, Lord of the Reedy River, purveyor of astrology, etymology and legerdemain. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Duppong <mduppong@CERF.NET> Subject: Rush, First Experiences Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 14:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Fellow TNMS-ers, I'm interested to know your first experiences with Rush- about how you got into the group. Which particular song blasted you into the Rush Realm? For me... I remember back in about 1981 or so, I saw a Permanent Waves cassette in my brother's bedroom. Stuck it in the player, didn't think it was that great (at that time, I was a little punk that listened to Ted Nugent). Around the same period of time, I went into my OTHER brother's room and saw a Moving Pictures cassette lying on the floor. I stuck it into a tape player and took a listen. Hmm, not bad, I thought, as I listened to Tom Sawyer. Then I heard Red Barchetta, and the part where Alex simulates a car on his guitar gave me goose bumps. My interest really started there. After a very short time, I couldn't play Moving Pictures loud enough. Vital Signs was my absolute favorite song for years (it's still in my top 10, among other Rush, Yes, Kansas, Genesis), and for me it had major emotive-yanking capability. It was an immense song for me. So I'd say that Red Barchetta was the teaser and Vital Signs was the grabber, but then I loved them all. >From the period of time between 1981 and 1982, just before getting Signals, I saw the New World Tour concert, and then became a loyal fan (I still have imagery of the space shuttle separating from its main tank displayed on their rear projection screen burned into my mind). Bought nearly every album they had (over many months) and came to really love them and the atmosphere each album seemed to have. Signals came out, and I instantly loved it. I was hooked. The fanatacism set in. But that's another topic... How about you? Mike Duppong mduppong@cerf.net ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 17:33:25 EST From: "Mertens, Craig D" <cmertens@ccmail.eo.ray.com> Subject: feels like the first time Ok, here's a new topic that might get us away from the EQ and love/sex thing. Or maybe not. But what the hell: Where were you and what were doing when you _first_ heard the _first_ single off any given RUSH album(s). That is, "Force 10", not "TSS", or "Dreamline", not "Bravado". Please be as specific as your memory allows. Why? Well, why not? I'm curious to see how deeply ingrained these memories may or may not be. I'll start, and hopefully you'll follow... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 17:47:06 EST From: "Mertens, Craig D" <cmertens@ccmail.eo.ray.com> Subject: first time, part 1 (Only have time for one right now): "Stick it Out": first heard as I was flying down route 128, somewhere just south of the Mass Pike. It was getting dark. The DJ announced the song, so I knew what it was going to be, but I was _so_ unprepared for what came out of my speakers. I remember laughing maniacally and feeling euphoric, and I called my college roomates as soon as I got home to tell them so we could start planning for the concerts. more later..... "Some memories last forever." ---------------------------------------------------------- From: ForceTen10@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 20:29:14 EDT Subject: The Standard's address Hello again, Just wanted to pass along the address and info on getting back issue's of the June 24'th and 25'th issue with the article by Neil. I called the number I read in TNMS #1006 and was informed back issue's are $1.25 per issue and since their are two with Neil its $2.50. The lady said just send the money and they will ship it out! No mention of shipping costs!! I sent away for a couple copies my self, Well see what happens!!. And the exchange rate of US money to Canadian is every $0.76 US cents = 1 Canadian dollar. By the way the address is: The Standard c/o Circulation Desk 17 Queens St. St. Catharines. Ontario L2R G5G And thanks a million to to Mike Hackett <hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> for supplying the Phone number!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 19:28 PDT From: Mike Silberstein <ESTUOU6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> Subject: New direction Hi! This is my first post to the NMS! From what I have been hearing lately, it seems as if the band is going to do another studio album before performing their 20th Anniversary Tour and releasing a live album. Due to this, I'm extremely curious as to what you believe will be the direction of the upcoming album. Do you believe that the guys will continue in the direction that Counterparts was going in? It seems like ever since Presto, Rush has strived to emulate their earlier sounds that spanned the 2112-Moving Pictures era. Do you think that the band will continue to leave the keyboards in the background of the mix and to progress the status of Alex's guitar to a more noticable and dominant role? Honestly, I felt that Counterparts showed a certain diversity of themes and musical styles that have not been demonstrated by Rush in a long time. On the other hand, I found two major problems with the album. First, I felt that there was too much of a stress on love songs (at least by Rush's standards.) I mean, Cold Fire was really an excellently written and performed song (especially considering the fact the band claimed to have a lot of trouble recording it) but I felt that The Speed of Love was complete overkill on the love topic. Sure it had an excellent melody but it also is the kind of song that does not demand an active listening ear (unlike the vast majority of Rush songs performed through the years.) Therefore, I hope and pray that the band might decide to temporarily avoid the topic for an album or two in the future. Anyway I believe that RTB and Counterparts seemed to compensate for all those earlier albums that Neil decided not to engage in the "love" topic. My second problem with Counterparts seems to be a certain "rawness" that the first half of the album showed. Sure it sounded awesome to hear the beginning riff from Stick It Out and the obvious tension and repose that defined Cut To The Chase (don't forget CTTC's unbelievable guitar solo that Alex played) but I also felt that at times, the songs sounded overly raw. If one looks back to Moving Pictures, what seems to predominate was not only a raw and harder sound but the use of keyboards to fill in those rough edges (Tom Sawyer is living proof of this.) I really hope that the band can continue that harder and more intense sound that Counterparts showed but to fill in the musical grooves with a touch of keyboards in order to Rush's sound not only harder BUT FULLER!! Do you guys basically agree? One final comment: Rush in every 4 album era seems to have 2 albums which seem to carry the same basic musical theme, back to back. For example, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures are very similar stylewise but MP took over right where PW left off. The same can be said with PoW and HYF. I truly believe that this upcoming album will be similar stylewise to Cprts but will extend and take its theme to a new level. This new album will have potential for musical greatness provided that Rush takes a serious look at the strengths and weaknesses of Counterparts and is ready to expand their style to more diverse areas. Go get um' Ged, Alex, and Neil. We love ya'! P.S. What will the name of the 3rd instumental be??? I'm sure that there will be one because the band seems to get a real kick outta doing them! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 03:53:57 GMT From: Gregg Jaeger <jaeger@buphy.bu.edu> Subject: reversing the golden rule I've always thought by "reverse the golden rule" Neil meant "do unto others as others do unto you", i.e. fight back, letting anger take control. The song *is* called "Kid Gloves" suggesting boxing... Gregg ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 00:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: So who DID make liquid soap and why? 1) Yes did NOT break up, I saw em 2nd row last night. Good show (not as good as Rush though :-) No they did NOT play the 'Revealing Natural Sciences of GOd' :-) YEs it was funny to see Chris Squire (a BIG guy) prance.... and prance IS the applicable phrase 2) Actually RushFam(tm) was coined by the infamous HaploPeart(tm) about a year ago, with a detailed description of what he thought a Rush Fan was like (something about liking Star Trek, which I DON'T in there too). However, somehow it caught on, and I admit, it bugs me. Personally, I'd rather deviate from the norm myself. 3) There is no number 3 4) Anyone got a list of who plays on this buddy rich tribute album: I know of: Neil, Bruford (?), Rod MOrgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse, Winger), Matt Sorum (GnR....WHY?), Dave Weckl 5) ever notice that I like to number 6) Has anyone ever heard official comments (read documented interviews) of what OTHER bands think of Rush? I know that Primus really digs em, but I was thinking more along the line of what Yes/Crimosn/ELP has to say about Rush.... just curious 7) ok I won't mention my eq settings or 3 favorite discs BUT Fripp, Alex, Wakeman, Bruford, Ged, Tony Levin on stick (what a line up!) (yeah personally I think Bruford is more interesting than Neil (although Neil's a close second)) 8) Is it Green Eggs and Regular Ham or Green Eggs and GREEN Ham? Does the Green distribute over Eggs and Ham? -John Santore ____________________ / \ "We break the surface tension \_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams" / / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs \_______ / (*) ) ) / / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers! \_____ / / / / / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu) \________/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 23:29:54 -0500 (CDT) From: SWOFFORD JASON ELI <jes3@engr.engr.uark.edu> Subject: Non-Rush but almost. (Yes Concert) I saw Yes last Wednesday at Riverfront Park in Little Rock, Ar. The show was awesome! I left the show amazed at the musicianship. Dont get me wrong I held the highest opinion of them before the concert (well for at least 3/5 of them). I can seriously say that the concert rocked. It was at an outdoor theatre and only 2000-4000 people were there, but everybody loved their Yes and had a blast. Everyone was sitting on the lawn not a bad seat in sight. It was the best concert setting Ive experienced. (Ive only seen two bands. Yes and Rush.) I wish I could see Rush in a small outdoor setting such as this. Which leads me to my question: Does Rush (<-- singular) ever play settings like this, or is it virtually impossible? J>e>S ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 1:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: THOM-US <TOLOCKWOOD@eden.cambrianc.on.ca> Subject: marine sterio Gordon Barentsen Writes: > I must say that YYZ (and in fact the entire album) is absolutely superb > for listening in a boat. Unfortunately, our tape died halfway back to > port....<SNIF>....<SOB>...alas. In fact, I find that anything with a heavier than usual bass will carry well over the waves. Have you placed your sound system in the front or the back of the boat? Try throwing some life jackets around the speaker system to muffle the sound a little as it is coming out. > That's my two cents. Sorry if it costs you a dollar to download it. Don't be funny Gord. Leave the humour to me man! And now few short "yos" if I could... Laura prodigy.com The tapes are almost done Gord cawc.yorku.ca I'm still planning that trip to TO Tom maroon.tc.umn.edu Lemme know if ya sell more shirts eh? Jukka messi.uku.fi I'll send more samples of Neils journals Tom badlands.nodak.edu Long time no talk man? Flyers rule! Steve netcom.com Good, you made copies! Chris aol.com Still waiting... - Tom Lockwood ----------------------------------------------------------- Summer's going fast - Computer-Based Learning Nights growing colder Cambrian College Children growing up - Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Old friends growing older P3A 3V8 Experience Slips away... Neil Peart --------------------------------------- tolockwood@eden.cambrianc.on.ca -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:21 GMT From: BRADLEYD1@rsc.org (DAVID BRADLEY) Subject: Drum patterns Anyone out there transcribed any of Neil's drum patterns or better still are there any MIDI files with patterns programmed. TIA Dave B BRADLEYD1@RSC.ORG ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Counterparts Advert Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 10:53:10 EDT From: enmity gauge <u9350136@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk> I was just wondering whether anyone had seen the magazine adverts for counterparts, you know the one which has lots of little squares dividing up the page depicting something associated with 'rock' and bearing the slogan 'How many ways do we have to say it?'. If anyone is interested i can have it scanned and posted to the FTP site, if not it'll make me a very nice backdrop! [ I've seen it, but no one's scanned it in that I know of... : rush-mgr ] See ya round, Graham ________________________________________________ Graham Boyd, Queens University of Belfast u9350136@qub.ac.uk u9350136@uk.ac.queens-belfast "Its cold outside and I'm not coming home, i dunno where i'll be, when the morning comes" -PAW ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 00:16:15 HST From: puanani@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu (Puanani Akaka) Subject: Syme, Alex, Rumours, Neil Yo. Well, since I already *am* stranded on an island, I guess I'll just defer my 3 CD list... :-) Especially, too, since I already /have/ all my CD's with me... :-) :-) About that NAKED GUY in front of our good friend, the pentacle. According to Hugh Syme, he borrowed the naked figure from the Greek artists of way back when; using the classical tradition to further illustrate the statement of the music. I won't say anymore because I don't want to ill-paraphrase him, but I specifically remember that. I think it was an interview that Cheryl Renshaw had transcribed, oh, about a year ago? A Special Edition issue, I believe. Hope that answers /some/ questions. On ALEX and his amazing talents: forgot one -- he's an excellent cook. And the flying RUMOURS about a 20th anniv. tour...This isn't meant to be "official word", but when I talked to Kim Garner a coupla weeks ago, we briefly touched upon this subject. She told me that the guys had abandoned the idea of a 20th Anniv. tour. So that, coupled with the interviews the guys had done some months ago, I think it's safe to say that the tour ended its short life as a wishful thought.... <grin> And much thanks and bowing of the knee to Jeffrey for transcribing "A Port Boy's Story" from the St. Catherines article. It's enlightening to hear of Neil's boyhood. I felt..humbled, oddly enough. (?) Now I understand much more where he's coming from when he says what he says, sometimes... puanani "...they were nice enough siblings..." (!) I *cracked up* !!! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 07:52 EDT From: "The Hippie(Sean Metts)" <MSMETTS@CLEMSON.EDU> Subject: Neil Peart = ??????? I personally like the comment from someone on alt.music.rush who noticed that Neil looked a lot like a certain recent movie character who can run really fast and owns stock in some "fruit company". As the guy from a.m.r said, "Playing drums is sort of like a box of chocolates." BTW, is there anyway to subscribe to a.m.r via E-mail only? Just wondering. Thanks. PEace.... The Hippie (MSMETTS@CLEMSON.EDU) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: cbush@bytor.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Bush) Subject: Living without... Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 7:53:20 EDT In NMS 1008, Steve Abaffy <vcabaff@lerc-k12.lerc.nasa.gov> ponders... > Second, sort of along the same vein. Since we are limiting our selection of > music, which of all the Rush Songs ever written would you be willing to never > ever under no circumstance hear again? > My personal choice: Lakeside Park, a good song, but could live without. Well, Steve, I'd say, that it wouldn't cause me to lose sleep if I had to give up on these. And some of the reasons are right there in the lyrics ;-) Neurotica -- "What it is ... well, you're not really sure" Lessons -- "I never thought it would be like this" A Passage to Bangkok -- "We only stop for the best" Roll The Bones -- "Can't get no satisfaction" Chris ______________________________ ______________________| Chris Bush |______________________ \ | NASA Lewis Research Center | / \ M-O-O-N | Cleveland, OH 44135 | That spells Unix / / |______________________________| \ /______________________) cbush@lerc.nasa.gov (______________________\ [ Ha ha, just had to laugh at your .sig! Good show, bad ending... : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 09:08:49 EDT From: "Andrew Cook (T(441)543-1201)" <waciii@VNET.IBM.COM> Subject: * Reverse the Golden Rule? * > "Anger wear a crown of thorns" > "Reverse the golden rule" > >What????? O.K., the golden rule is: "Do unto others as you >would have them do unto you!" (sound advice) But how do you >reverse that? "Do unto yourself as you would have others do I would propose that this should be interpreted much less literally. By being literal, one could interpret that since Jesus wore a crown of thorns, that Jesus is equated with anger. And I don't think that is what Neil is intending to say. On that basis, I can think of two other "golden rules". - Do until others before they do unto you; and - He who has the gold, makes the rules Either of which might apply to being reversed without shattering our image of Neil. Neil has said in interviews that he trying to paint mental pictures with his lyrics. That could also be the case here: and if it's not just a lyric that paints a picture, then it should be interpreted other than strictly literal. Andrew Cook ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 08:20:48 -0600 (CST) From: Thomas Beaudoin <TBEAUDOIN@VAX1.UMKC.EDU> Subject: Reversing the Golden Rule Perhaps, if Neil meant "reverse" in the sense of "opposite", the Reversed Golden Rule might run this way: Do unto others as you would not have them do unto you. or Do not do unto other as you would have them do unto you. Either one makes sense in the context of the song, I think. Tom Beaudoin tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hemispheres Gods From: BARNETTE@afc4a.safb.af.mil (Barnette, Gary V 1Lt) Date: 25 Aug 94 08:41:51 EDT Greetings! Sara Krosschell writes: >I was flipping through the syllabus and noticed a few notes within >mentioning how Apollo and Dionysus are common themes in classical music. So >I of course immediately began humming Hemispheres. One of my RUSH >favorites. I think I kind of knew before, but it's good to know for sure >that Neil didn't pluck those themes, er names, out of thin air. I'm curious. How many of you out there have noticed that the conceptual domains given to Apollo and Dionysus in "Hemispheres" by Peart do not appear to be quite accurate? Apollo was actually the Greek god of sunlight, prophecy, music and art. In "Hemispheres", he is the god of wisdom. I guess the argument could be made that sunlight symbolizes wisdom....Has anyone seen Apollo referenced as the Greek god of wisdom by a source other than Peart? My argument is simply based on what Webster says ;-) Dionysus was actually the Greek god of wine. In "Hemispheres", he is the god of love. If my memory of mythology serves me correctly, Aphrodite was the greek goddess of love. Hmmm..... I seriously doubt that we can conclude that this was an oversight by our esteemed lyracist. But what was he thinking? Any comments? To Sara: Hemispheres is one of my all time RUSH favorites as well. In fact, it is my favorite album from the 70s. Hope you enjoy your class! "Let the truth of love be lighted, let the love of truth shine clear" -NP Gary Barnette barnette@afc4a.safb.af.mil ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Hunkins" <RHUNKINS%jscdo6@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 08:36:36 CDT Subject: Kid Gloves & The Golden Rule Tony Dormio wrote: > In Kid Gloves (cool song) towards the end Neil writes: > "Anger wear a crown of thorns" > "Reverse the golden rule" >What????? O.K., the golden rule is: "Do unto others as you >would have them do unto you!" (sound advice) But how do you >reverse that? "Do unto yourself as you would have others do >unto themselves?" The latter doesn't make sense and may not >even be the golden rule reversed. This has been bugging >me ever since I road into work last week listening to GUP. I think the "reverse Golden Rule" that Peart is referring to would be: "Do unto others as you would have them *not* do unto you" The song, Kid Gloves is about those rough childhood and adolescent situations, that I'm sure we all can relate to, where there is this huge pressure to do the things you think the "cool" people want you to, so you will be accepted by them. An example might be to be cruel to another kid, thus the lyric: "Then you learn the lesson that it's cool to be so tough" but it carries a heavy price. For example, your conscience might start bothering you, or you start having other people be cruel to you. Therefore the lyric, "Then you learn the lesson that it's tough to be so cool" works very well also. As for Tony's other comment about the Golden Rule being sound advice, I mostly agree, but there's one caveat: It assumes that the person would want to be treated the same way you would want to be treated. This is not always the case; something that would please you might not please me. Try this: "Do unto others as they would have you do unto themselves." Anyway, just MHO. I agree this is a cool song, with large amounts of genius in it! Definitely one of my favorites! -Bob "There ain't no damn gas stations on the Moon!" -Gene Kranz, Apollo 11 Flight Director ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 10:05:35 -0400 From: James MacKenzie Crawford <jmc@wolverine.utias.utoronto.ca> Subject: Pet names. I just remembered this. Way back in high school days, my Rush buddy (with whom I used to shoot pool and listen to Permanent Waves endlessly - I'm sure almost everyone here had or has a highschool Rush buddy) got a little black and white kitten which he promptly named By-Tor. It's probably the worst name for a cat possible. Also it was never made clear whether it was a reference to the "good" By-Tor or the "bad" one. The cat was pretty stupid though and because my friend lived next to a highway, By-Tor got squished at a young age. Oh well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____ ~ /\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James' World ~ \_. `\/\~/ /_ \_ She's in love with a boy from the rodeo Canada's _____,> _|\___> \_ Who pulls the rope on the chute Lotion ~,' N.S. __/ ~ \_ When they let those suckers go -Zappa Playground |___,---' ~ james m. crawford: jmc@wolverine.utias.utoronto.ca ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:25:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Marx <nmarx@mermaid.micro.umn.edu> Subject: Thomas Lockwood is getting ripped off Anyone out there who is paying for E-Mail through the nose, is, for the most part, getting ripped off. It would probably be cheaper to get a good internet account through a university, and then all you would have to pay is a monthly/yearly fee plus long distance if it wasn't local. Long distance charges are pretty low if you call at the right time. It can be as low as 11 cents a minute, but all in all it is probably going to wind up being cheaper if you use the net a lot. TNMS hasn't changed its content much, as far as I can tell, over time, thus, you pretty much know what you are going to get. If you don't want what you know you are going to get, don't waste your time and money. ************************************* * Nicholas J. Marx * ************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:49:54 +0500 From: jchiro@peri.com (Joe Chiro) Subject: Golden Rule > In Kid Gloves (cool song) towards the end Neil writes: > "Anger wear a crown of thorns" > "Reverse the golden rule" > >What????? O.K., the golden rule is: "Do unto others as you >would have them do unto you!" (sound advice) But how do you >reverse that? "Do unto yourself as you would have others do >unto themselves?" The latter doesn't make sense Try thinking about the lyrics like this: "Anger wear a crown of thorns" "(Anger) Reverse the golden rule" Anger makes people "do unto others" *not* as they would have others do unto themselves. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* * * "Come on Bill, [calm down]. You can't * * Joe Chiro * [have sex with] her here". * * (jchiro@peri.COM) * * * * -Hillary Clinton as overheard by * * Periphonics Corporation * an Arkansas State Trooper. * * (IHJ) * ("The American Spectator", Jan '94) * *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 11:22:11 EDT From: jef@wilber.med.jhu.edu (John Flesher) Subject: Why I love Neil Peart Tom Keekly asked in issue # 1008 why drummers are so enthralled with Neil Peart. I am a NOVICE drummer, but the two things that most impress me about Neil are his raw SPEED, and his smoothness in making transitional changes. He has the fastest single strokes I have ever heard (maybe I just don't listen to enough music??). Also his transitions are flawless and imaginative. They always sound PERFECT. He also does some very good cymbal work, especially with the 'hats', rarely ever plays them in the traditional style. I'm sure that drummers with more experience will respond with more intelligent answers. (drummers saying something intelligent, isn't that a contradiction in terms....NOT!!!) Also to Tony in the same issue...He expresses his frustrations in understanding the following from Kid Gloves "Reverse the golden rule". I think if you reverse the underlying meaning it might help. I always associated the golden rule with treating others with respect and integrity and all these other good qualities because that is the way I would want to be treated. The reverse of this would be to treat everyone else like shit. It seems to me that the whole theme to the song is the struggle each one of us face to go into the world with certain preconceived notions (ie. the golden rule) when indeed the world is *reversing* such notions. I hope this helps, although I'm sure someone out there has a more concrete answer. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Flesher "We each pay a fabulous price, jef@wilber.med.jhu.edu for our ticket to paradise. But a spirit with a vision is dream, with a mission."-Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:55 CST From: GEOFF@TSTEEL.COM Subject: Content vs. cost Fellow NMSers, This is specifically addressed to the contingent that is whining about the sometimes rambling and occasionally irrelevant posts. If you don't like the contents or feel that you are paying too much, STOP DOWNLOADING. The 'rules of nettiquete' are about wasting readers TIME, not MONEY. If you don't put a descriptive header so someone can skip a message they don't want, that is poor manners. Asking a group to drop all topics but to narrow one you want to hear is equally poor manners, especially when the sole reason is it increases the cost of a service that YOU choose to pay for. InterNet is about the unencumbered distribution of information. It is not simply an extension of a commercial service. The manager of this list puts in a great deal of time and has quite a bit of money tied up in hardware. I haven't heard one whine from him about this. Heck, he even apologizes when his JOB interferes with the management of this list. In summary, as long as the posts have RUSH content, I think they deserve space. If you don't like them, skip them. If the NMS isn't worth what it costs you, UNSUBSCRIBE. I apologize for the lack of RUSH content, but I DO feel this is important. ORQ: I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill. Please take flames to E-mail. Geoff N. Hiten Tuscaloosa Steel Corporation Geoff@TSteel.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Hicks <jason@meme.psy.uga.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 11:45:27 -0400 Subject: RE: the golden rule In the NMS 1008, Tony Dormio wrote: > In Kid Gloves (cool song) towards the end Neil writes: > > "Anger wear a crown of thorns" > "Reverse the golden rule" > >What????? O.K., the golden rule is: "Do unto others as you >would have them do unto you!" (sound advice) But how do you >reverse that? "Do unto yourself as you would have others do >unto themselves?" The latter doesn't make sense and may not >even be the golden rule reversed. This has been bugging >me ever since I road into work last week listening to GUP. >What the hell is he referring to hear? Any input would be >appreciated before we wrap up the Summer season and head >towards our new Fall episodes of NMS. Maybe it's not a true reversal, but something like this: "Do unto others as they HAVE DONE to you." In this way anger gets the best of people and they do things to others that have been done to them. You know, an eye for an eye, etc. Just my thought on the matter. Hope it helps. Jason Hicks ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 12:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "NAME \"Emily Greenlee\"" <EG9477@conrad.appstate.edu> Subject: to dj or not to dj......that is the question..... Hello, fellow TNMS'ers! I'm back again....finally back to school *gag* well, as of yesterday, I may have lost my job at the radio station permanently. ( I've lost it 3 times now......*giggle*) But the new Music Director said we were to play absolutely NO Rush. well, I am opinionated. And I opened my mouth......and asked him if he knew what music was......didn't like that very well, though. Ahh well.....no accounting for BAD taste. just thought I'd let you guys get a reminder that not every has enough brain to think about being tolerant of diverse musical taste. BTW> Janss Adams story really P***ed me off.....that was truly unfair. so Janss, if you wanna go to Lakeside Park, we can meet somewhere up in the midwest somewhere and make an adventure out of it!!!! ************Greetings and Salutations to All*********************************** "scars of pleasure, scars of pain. atmospheric changes make them sensitive again" -Neil "let the pages of my life fall like snow she cried into the night. 'If I shall never feel both pain and pleasure to Measure life's horizons!" - Emily ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Rice <price@wri.com> Subject: Janss hits the border--and bounces Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 11:45:42 CDT > From: "Janss L. Adams" <ubeads@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu> > Subject: Lakeside Park [Janss goes to Canada...and they won't let him in.] You have to satisfy the customs people at the border if you want to get into Canada. When you pull up to the booth, you have about ten seconds to convince them you're not a drug smuggler or fugitive or some random thug trying to sneak into their country. > This being my first time entering another country, > I was unprepared for the experience of crossing the border. First mistake. Know the questions they're going to ask, and have good answers for them. > His exact words were, "I don't believe you...you're lying..." A disturbing accusation. But then: > Towards the end of the interrogation, I came clean and told him > about Lakeside P, but I knew it would make no difference. So you *were* lying before, about going to Toronto? Big mistake. It makes them wonder what other lies you might've told. > There's no doubt in my mind that much of what happened > occurred because I happen to be Black. Oh, bullshit. Canada is a diverse society (as much so as the US), and they like it that way. If you show up at a border crossing and give evasive answers to the customs agent, you'll get stopped. > One of these days I shall venture forth again..a little more wiser. A good plan. Be cheerful, polite, and open with the customs agent, and they'll probably let you in. It's worked for me, five times in the last ten years. ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: college From: dgatsby@west.darkside.com (dGatsby) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 08:20:38 PDT If there are any of you out there who are going to start college in the fall as freshman and are kind of feeling wierd about it, I recommend listening to Time Stands Still on Hold Your Fire. It is just so incredibly immense and described my feelings and inner turmoil/confusion about the upcoming changes in my life perfectly. My best friend and I who are goin our separate ways in September (I am staying in California she is going to Massachussets) sat in my car last night (my car has this awesome sound system) and listened to Time Stands Still and just cried and cried. Great tension releaser. But then again, you could only expecyt something as unbelievably amazing as this song with its incredible lyrics from Rush. On another note, in response to the guy who asked what song of Rush we could do without, I know after becoming a fairly recent Rush fan that I couldn't do without Red Lenses and Cold Fire. Cold Fire especially. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: L Clator Butler Jr <lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu> Subject: Yes breakup my A** Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Umm, I saw Yes less than two weeks ago, and subscribe to their version of TNMS, whose editors ACTUALLY DO talk to the the band members. There is no evidence of a break up, unless you are referring to the Union lineup dissolution, which is NOT the same. Now back to your regularly scheduled RUSH rumor starting. (That was't a flame on you, Rush-mgr.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ | L. Clator Butler, Jr. __O | "The power to destroy a | | lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu _`\<,_ | planet is insignificant | | A rational, romantic, (*)/ (*) | next to the power of the | | mystic, cynical idealist... | Force..." | | Our last, best hope for peace... | --Darth Vader | ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1980 12:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "tresckow" <rmk5@cornell.edu> Subject: golden rule > From: Tony Dormio > Subject: * Reverse the Golden Rule? * > In Kid Gloves (cool song) towards the end Neil writes: > > "Anger wear a crown of thorns" > "Reverse the golden rule" if i'm not mistaken, the reverse golden rule is do unto others before they do unto you, which kind of makes sense. then again, i could be wrong... ciao for naio tresckow ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 15:15:00 CDT From: Ed Blonski <S851001@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> Subject: Reverse the golden rule I was intrigued by the quest for what NP was refering to when he wrote "Anger wear a crown of thorns Reverse the golden rule" To me, "reverse the golden rule" means "DON'T do unto other what you would have them do unto you." Now, this can be taken two (or more) ways. (1) don't do what they expect you to do. That is, "turn the other cheek" (sort of). This puts the perspective in their court, so to speak. They are expecting (those who are the "do unto's") you to do one thing, i.e. react, etc. Now do something totally unexpected. Repay hate with love, that kind of thing. (2) Do the opposite. If they come at you with love, come at them with hate, or apathy. You get my meaning? Now to drift to a new topic.... I really enjoyed reading the special edition digest "Port Boy's story." Neil is a very good writer. I knew that he wrote great lyrics, but I also suspect that the lyrics we hear on the albums have been reworked to fit the music, etc. His stories (Port Boy's Story, Roll the Bus,etc.) are very good reads. If Neil ever leaves the music business (God forbid) he will have a great career as a writer (but we all knew that anyway!). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ better people - better food - better beer Why move around the world when Eden was so near? Ed Blonski (Homebrewer) <s851001@umslvma.umsl.edu> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:39:03 -0700 (MST) From: MNW@ALPHA.SUNQUEST.COM Subject: Re: Kid Gloves >What????? O.K., the golden rule is: "Do unto others as you >would have them do unto you!" (sound advice) But how do you >reverse that? "Do unto yourself as you would have others do >unto themselves?" I think it would more like "Do unto others what you would NOT have them do unto you." Or Neil might be referring to the joke version: "Do unto others before they do unto you." Basically, it means: consider yourself as having a license to abuse people. This is the viewpoint Neil is condemning in the song, it seems to me, the violent "anything goes if it benefits me" attitude of kids in a playground. I'm more confused by "Anger wear a crown of thorns." Isn't a crown of thorns associated with Christ, the ultimate example of non-anger, non- violence? Maybe Neil is making the opposite point: that sitting back and letting yourself be sacrificed to the abuse of others is just as bad as being abusive yourself? [ Unless of course you want to consider that a crown-of-thorns is a coral-eating relative of the starfish, bane of coral reefs. That would *really* make you go "Hm...." :-) : rush-mgr ] This is definitely a song that makes you go "Hmmm..." --Matt mnw@alpha.sunquest.com ----------------------------------------------------------
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