The National Midnight Star #695

From temples@syrinx.umd.edu Fri Jun 11 19:11:50 1993 Return-Path: <temples@syrinx.umd.edu> Received: from syrinx.umd.edu by dsys.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/NIST-dsys) id AA02692; Fri, 11 Jun 93 19:11:47 EDT Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA08354; Fri, 11 Jun 93 18:30:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 18:30:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9306112230.AA08354@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 06/11/93 - The National Midnight Star #695 Status: R
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A bit more re Political Correctness Skeleton in the RTB video ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu <The RUSH Fans Digest Manager> Date: Fri Jun 11 09:55:11 EDT 1993 Subject: Administrivia There was no digest for Wed or Thurs, 6/9 or 6/10. - rush-mgr ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 17:11:43 -0700 (MST) From: KUSLICH@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (J.J. Kuslich) Subject: Re: Sexism and RUSH Hi, All! Just my opinion about sexism and RUSH: Puanani wrote: >I have to agree with Tracey about the girl in the "Escape from Moving >Pictures" film. Admittedly, and I'm a very open-minded person, I >was a bit taken aback and, yes, even disappointed that they showed >that. Oh, come on now. It's just a pretty woman in a dress. There are lots of women like that around. How is it sexist to show one? Well, I don't want to start a debate, but I think people should just settle down a bit and have fun. I doubt the boys are sexist - they seem too intelligent for that. Yes, it evokes a certain response from the male members of the crowd (and, apparently a rather negative one from a few of the females and some males), but that doesn't mean the guys are sexist. It may just mean some of the fans are sexist. >There's only been one other instance that I know of where the band, or >any of its members said/did anything that made me nuts from a >"sexist" point of view. Neil's drum contest in Modern Drummer. When >he said (and I paraphrase), "one of the most interesting entries was sent >in by a female drummer with a minimalist credo..." and then went on to >half-criticize her playing. My hair stood on end (no, it wasn't me -- >are you crazy?! :-). What do you mean *female drummer*? What does >being female have to do with drumming? Why does it matter what gender I haven't read the article, but I would think he was just being a normal human and classifying the person. It sounds better to say "female drummer" than "a humanoid drummer of non-descript sex, race or size" in my opinion. :-) :-) :-) In the words of Rodney King: "Ca...Can't we all just get along?" J>J>K> ======== Yeeeeehooooo! Go SUNS!!! (Suns will take da Bulls in 6!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1993 22:23:50 -0500 (CDT) From: BEEZUS@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Subject: <yawn> Neil's Solo & "Tom Sawyer" Chick "The Rhythm Method" wasn't actually called this, by any member of the band live onstage, until the "RTB" tour. They had to give the solo a name on "ASOH" because they sure as hell didn't want to include "YYZ" and the 6.3 seconds of "Red Lenses" that was played before and after, respectively, the drum solo. C'mon, what live Rush release would be complete without Neil's solo? (Or so they say.) Additionally, Neil's been incorporating elements of his drum solos into each subsequent tour's solo since the days of "Fly By Night." (Most noteably the cowbell part.) "One, two, three, four..." The femme that adorns the bizarre cartoon-intro to "Tom Sawyer" live is satirical, folks. Grab your "MP" CD and take a gander at the young'uns that stand off to the right of the cover. They've got their winter headgear on, mittens, and li'l rainboots. They appear to be waifs, right? Okay--the cartoon is a parody of the cover of "MP" and when one of the cute, little waifs stands up, we discover her to be this volumptuous femme that's only more than happy to strut her stuff across the screen before disappearing into that, uh, hole. She counts off the song and away we go! The cartoon-intro is satirical, just like the "RTB" rap. The members of Rush DO have senses of humor, and these are often quite apparent in aspects of their live shows. Relax, folks! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09 Jun 93 03:36:14 EDT From: Bruce Holtgren <70724.1622@CompuServe.COM> Subject: One man's "garbage" ... I thought this would be a good time to thank those who have contributed all the wonderfully eloquent and intelligent defenses of rap and its place in modern music. While sympathetic to those who are tired of the subject, I'd merely offer that this is hardly the first time that TNMS has gone off on a tangent. This one has been one of the best, and I've enjoyed it immensely. Thanks for all the great posts. I'm no fan of rap myself (gonna have to pick me up an album or two now, tho :) ), but I was beginning to worry at all the brainless bashing going on, so I was real pleased to see that there are a few folks with a sense of perspective. As for the rest of you: I know you don't *mean* to sound racist, I'm afraid in some instances it has seemed to come across that way. Of course, I know that NOBODY on this mailing list could possibly be even a *little* bit racist. ;) ;) ;) On the other hand ... >Oh, and to the gentlemen who was having trouble with English, and didn't >know what "Homeboy" meant, it's gutter speak, I don't think there's one >solid definition, I guess the closest translation from garbage english to >real english would be "friend" but I don't think that cuts it, because >it's not used exclusivly that way. It's street slang, and if you're >learning english, it's a word you can easily avoid. It's junk. "Homeboy," as I understand it, originally meant a guy from the neighborhood. It has since evolved to mean just "guy" or, yes, "friend." (British translation: "chap," "fellow." :) ) Far from being "gutter speak" or "garbage English," "homeboy" is every bit as wonderful and valid of a contribution to the language as the hundreds of other words and phrases that have come from the same incredibly rich source. Black English has given us such gems as jammin', slammin', ain't, gimme some skin, high-five, kick-ass, get down, yo, far out, jive, diss, say what, and livin' large - right on! Then there are all sorts of great new meanings and nuances for old words: cool, hip, space, woof, horny, crash, man, baby, chick, dude, wheels, cop, chill, cruise, bread, bro ... and of course there are hundreds more; I'll spare you any further humiliation. Well, OK - maybe just one more priceless contribution from black English: rock 'n' roll. So what does this have to do with Rush? Everything. No English speaker alive today, native or otherwise, can fail to benefit from the priceless contributions that black people have made to the language - and, even moreso, to popular music. Rush, and all of us, owe the speakers (and, yes, rappers) of black English a tremendous debt. Neither they, nor the words they use, have ever been "junk." Yo mama. Bruce 70724.1622@compuserve.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 03:54:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "J.P. Thompson" <jpt2@engr.engr.uark.edu> Subject: Where's my brain? It occured to me that I misread what Nick Bruels had said about Neil's solo. Obviously he meant the MP tour, and I read the MP tape. Anyhow... I have only heard three live versions of The Rythym Method (ATWAS, ESL, & SOH) and he does change it to make it interesting each time he plays it. So I don't think its getting old; RUSH's music ages like wine, so The Rythym Method gets better every time. I think that the word "homeboy" is just as crucial to the English language as any other word. The U.S.'s version of the English language is basically just Slang+English. If you think that the word "homeboy" is not a word worth knowing, remember:a Japanese boy didn't know that the slang version of "freeze" meant "to stop", and he lost his life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | It's the John-man, the Johnster, | Phone: (501)582-5223 | | makin' some e-mail. | | | | 900 N Leverett Ave Apt. 321 | | John P. Thompson | Fayetteville, AR 72701 | | jpt2@engr.engr.uark.edu | | | KinSlayr {on IRC} | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Homeboy Date: Wed, 09 Jun 93 10:59:14 -0400 From: joseph paul mancewicz <jmance@engin.umich.edu> To whomever was inquiring about homeboy- Perhaps saying that it's *gutter speak* is giving you a slightly biased opinion. Homeboy is slang, and is *usually* associated with rap artists and fans. It is a noun used to address or refer to a male- most commonly in a friendly manner, although it can also be employed in the neutral and aggressive situations. Some examples of person's whom you might call homeboy: brother, friend, guy on the street who is about to do something stupid, guy your about to fight... Things you might say: Hey homeboy, Homeboy here is taking out fer a beer, Watch it homeboy, What did you say Homeboy... Persons NOT to call homeboy: your dad when you're asking for money, your mother- ever, any guy in a suit, a cop, a priest, a nun,... Never say, "Bless me homeboy for I have sinned." Take what's been said about it being junk English or my favorite *gutter speak* and think of it as one person's opinion. If I were to state my opinion, I'd have to say that homeboy is a far more valid term than *gutter speak*, but I'll refrain. Keep in mind that homeboy is a casual term for a male (maybe a female as well, but I've NEVER heard of it), and is most commonly friendly. Later Homeboy, Joe ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 11:02:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ian Livingston <IPL2527@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>" Subject: Roll the Bones t-shirts I went to the carnival back home in PA where I live a couple of weeks ago. At one booth they were selling heavy metal t-shirts (the kind with skulls and death all over them), jewelry (again skulls, marrijuana leafs, etc.), leather. It is the kind of booth that attracts bikers, rednecks, and rebelous teenagers. The funny thing that caught my eye was that amongst all this was a RtBs t-shirt (the one with the boy kicking the skull). I got a good laugh out of this. :) ian livingston ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 93 12:56:47 EST From: Will Geeslin <geeslinw@uklans.uky.edu> Subject: my feeble request for info Two questions: (Don't you hate it when people preface a question with a declaration of the upcoming declarative?) Could someone send the mailing address for the "A Show of Fans" Rush fanzine? and Could someone enlighten me with Rush Limbaugh's Compuserve address? I got away with non-Rush content that actually could be construed in technical terms as Rush content! P.S. Song is defined in Websters as "4 a musical sound like singing" Therefore, La Villa, YYZ, & Where's My Thing? are all songs. Just thought I'd be a smartass because someone decided to defame the glory that is La Villa Strangiato. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 93 13:21:33 EST From: Will Geeslin <geeslinw@uklans.uky.edu> Subject: I forgot something Something that might be of interest to some. Hugh Syme designed the cover of the debut record for a band called Damn the Machine. This band has as its founding member Chris Poland, of Megadeth, solo, and Ice-T fame. The cover, if you happen to go searching for it, has mammoth size cigarettes that have been put out on a deset somewhere. Will ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 10:36:09 PDT From: David.Martin@EBay.Sun.COM (David Martin) Subject: Neil Solo To the person who said Neil's solo was during Red Lenses, it was when I saw then at the SF Cowpalace during GUP. The GUP video has it during YYZ. They changed it back the next tour. I'd like to thank Gregg for the pictures for Lampoon awards. As someone said before it looks like Alex put some weight on, but his hair is cut alot shorter.Geddy looks the same. I seen them from the second row of the 2nd half of the RTB tour and they look much different now, except Geddy. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 19:07:27 -0400 (EDT) From: jservait@uceng.uc.EDU (Joe Servaites) Subject: Red Tide Greetings... I just saw a story on a show called "Beyond 2000" (on the discover channel) about a phnomena called "The Red Tide". Apparently, in Hong Kong, the water is so polluted in some areas, that no wildlife at all can grow. In these areas, a type of red Algae (or bacteria).. lives off the pollution, and accumulates near shore. It becomes so overwhelming that it has earned the name "Red TIDE".... It is also poisonous to fish, as well as humans..... I thought this was pretty cool as to how it ties in with the themes of environmental destruction in the song 'Red Tide'. Anyway, thats all I have to say.. >.........and the red tide covers the shore Joe PS Guess what! When Rush toured my hometown on the Presto Tour, (they were playing in Riverfront Coloseum in Cincinnati) the pick four for that save day was 2112!! (in The Dayton Daily News).... ok.. enuf bs..... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 20:46:49 EST From: "THIRTEENTH GEN: ABORT, RETRY, IGNORE, FAIL" <KEMORT@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: While we are on the subject... It is interesting to see so many people talking about the barchetta. In _Cavalino_ the magazine of Ferarri from a few years back there is an article about the barchettas and finding them today. For anyone who cares i can find it for you if you would like to endulge. It is a good chance to see what they were all about and how hard it can be to actually find a genuine one. RTB, -k %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Kevin E. Mort | "Rock and roll ain't noise pollution, rock Indiana University | and roll ain't gonna die." VAX: KEMORT@UCS.INDIANA.EDU | | -- AC/DC %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 20:52:09 EST From: "THIRTEENTH GEN: ABORT, RETRY, IGNORE, FAIL" <KEMORT@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: A bit more Someone noted that the new Ferarri looks to be a "monster car" or something like that. To those who may not know, this is a change. The original Ferarri Barchetta was a rather small car, not much larger than the Dino or a MG or Miata of today. It was an open top car (generally) and by the looks of it it would have been really awesome to drive. Which would lead to the experiences stated in "Red Barchetta." ttyl -k %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Kevin E. Mort | "Nothing is quite what it seems, sometimes Indiana University | entangled in your own dreams." VAX:KEMORT@UCS.INDIANA.EDU | -- Genesis %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: re From: wilkinso@west.darkside.com (Sean Flanegan) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 93 23:40:26 PDT I would just like to respond to the women on the list angry over the cartoon before Tom Sawyer... I really can,t believe anyone would get upset over something so trivial. You must also take the cartoon in context with what the song is portraying. The song is about a modern day Tom Sawyer who is individualistic and frankly won't take crap from anyone. He(or she for you feminists) is a guy I kinda picture as being a rebel, James Dean type, only a little younger. And hey, a young teenage rebel has got to have a girl... right!! The cartoon shows the Tom Sawyer character as being a rebel (stealing the painting,etc.) and it is in his character to be a bit sexist. Please don't think that Rush are trying to turn on all their male fans with a sexy cartoon (OOOOHHHhh, I am getting HOT!!!) sean ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 12:09:44 EDT From: Doug Adams <DHADAM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> Subject: Political Correctness After having read two comments from female Rush fans (Tracey & Puanani) that label Rush and/or its individual memebers as partially or wholly sexist, I am compelled to respond. The catalyst for this discussion involves: a) the busty girl in the Escape from MP video; b) Neil's comment in a MD article about a "female drummer"; c) Alex saying "Take my wife..." (Jackie Mason line that was considered funny before the advent of politically correct interpretations); and d) Alex's wife serving as the hostess on the tour bus. The bottom line is this: Lighten up! The implication is that Rush and its members should be "ashamed" for any one of the aforementioned points is ridiculous. First and foremost, the points which mention Alex and his wife are nobody else's business but his and his wife. Buying an album of a particular group does not mean that we, the consumer, have also purchased a right to judge the individual lives of those who live in the "gilded cage." Listen to the lyrics of Limelight and reflect on this point. All the while, keep in mind that the definition of _gild_ is "to spoil something already beautiful by trying to improve it." In the context of this discussion, those who criticize Rush and its individual members (note: there is a difference between the two) for exhibiting what they _construe_ as sexist behavior are gilding reality with individual perceptions of reality. In other words, just because Rush the band and its members are head-and-shoulders above most other bands in virtually every relevant category (ie: lyrics, musicianship) does not mean that we should hold them to some higher, separate standard as individuals. All the world's indeed a stage...and [they] _are_ merely players, performers, and portrayers. As for Neil noting that a drummer _happens to be a female_ and critiquing her playing: how is this sexist? If he were to assess her ability on a different scale than the rest of the entrants, who _happen to be males_, he would be guilty of sexism. And finally, as for the busty _cartoon_ character introducing Tom Sawyer, I thought she looked like someone with a nice personality, who happened to be blond and busty.:) Please, folks (note gender neutrality for all PC subscribers), lighten up, have a sense of humor, and try not to over-analyze issues without first trying to view it objectively. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas G Schwabe <dgsst4+@pitt.edu> Subject: Skeleton in the RTB video Before anyone cries, "Not another RTB post", I was wondering if anyone who saw the boyz on the RTB tour remembered what the skeleton in the video said at the end of the song. I loved the song and the video and I know there was something said at the end of the song. Does anyone remember? Congrats to the Habs for winning the Cup (well, I guess since this is the 100th anniversary of the Cup one of the Orignial Six should win it. But wait til next year.....) GO SUNS!! ----------------------------------------------------------
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