The National Midnight Star #639

From temples@syrinx.umd.edu Mon Mar 8 22:35:54 1993 Return-Path: <temples@syrinx.umd.edu> Received: from syrinx.umd.edu by dsys.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/NIST-dsys) id AA10041; Mon, 8 Mar 93 22:35:49 EST Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA21034; Mon, 8 Mar 93 21:35:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 21:35:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9303090235.AA21034@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 03/08/93 - The National Midnight Star #639 Status: R
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A Premonition??? Didacts and Narpets Neil is *not* a philosopher?!? weekend ramblings Saving A Side of the Next Rush CD Dylan, Springsteen, ZZ Top Eclectic Breakfast Trees and the Spine of Presto NEIL VISIONS YYZ Neil short story to be published Rush's Political background. Limbaugh Fans NMS Shirts & Another Shirt Idea? Some Questions about Rush. RTB tour... RE: Neil is *not* a philosopher?!? Official NMS Proposal! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rush-mgr <The RUSH Fans Digest Manager> Date: Mon Mar 8 19:51:38 EST 1993 Subject: Administrivia Large digest today... Be SURE to check out the last post in today's digest, entitled "Official NMS Proposal!". It has some interesting information from Jimmy (aka. Rush Fanatic)! - rush-mgr ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 15:28:49 -0500 From: cko@mbunix.mitre.org (Carsten K. Oertel) Subject: NMS MacSound file Hello NMSers, (skip lengthy "first post" introduction) I was looking for a sound file on syrinx with the lines: We've go Mars on the horizon - Says the National Midnight Star, but I couldn't find it. So I hooked up my trusty discman to the back of my Mac and digitized it myself. I've uploaded it to the /rush/incoming directory on syrinx if anyone wants a copy - filename is nms.sea.hqx. Later. ===================================================================== The whole wide world - an endless universe Yet we keep looking through the eyeglass in reverse -- Neil Peart ===================================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 05 Mar 1993 15:25:20 -0600 (CST) From: ST1S1@Jetson.UH.EDU Subject: FAVORITE SONG POLL RESULTS! Well friends, here it is. I'm listing the songs in order from the first place winner, to the last place winner. In the event of a tie, and there are a few, the songs will be listed in alphabetical order. Thank you to all those of you who participated. If you need any information about this poll, please feel free to Email me! 1. Subdivisions 2. Limelight 3. La Villa Strangiato 4. 2112 The Spirit of Radio 5. Xanadu 6. The Trees 7. Red Barchetta 8. Time Stands Still 9. Freewill 10. Natural Science 11. The Camera Eye 12. The Pass 13. YYZ 14. Force 10 Marathon Tom Sawyer 15. Bravado 16. Hemispheres *side one* 17. Mystic Rythms 18. By Tor & The Snow Dog Cygnus X-1 Jacob's Ladder Losing It Witch Hunt 19. Available Light 20. Red Sector A Territories 21. Entre Nous New World Man 22. Middletown Dreams 23. Closer to The Heart Dreamline Lakeside Park 24. The Big Money 25. Between The Wheels Circumstances Enemy Within The Necromancer 26. Bastille Day Different Strings 27. Anagram Analog Kid 28. Fly By Night Mission Roll The Bones 29. Afterimage Body Electric Cinderella Man Ghost of a Chance Hand Over Fist Heresy Kid Gloves The Big Wheel Turn The Page 30. Fountain of Lamenth Manhatten Project Memories Neurotica Red Lenses Red Tide Something for Nothing Tears Where's My Thing 31. Beneath, Between & Behind Here Again In the End Madrigal Passage to Bangkok Rythm Method 32. Chain Lightning Countdown Digital Man Emotion Detector Lock and Key Presto That's it. Hope you were suprised. Again, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to Mail me! I really enjoyed it, and plan on doing it again. Thank's again. Dan "The Poll Man" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: kerry@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Kerry J. Kopp) Subject: Countdown, and more... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 15:15:51 PST Hey Rush fans! Just a few thoughts regarding some stuff in tnms: Re the transcription (by jtkung@netcom.com (Joseph T. Kung)), your interpretation of LOS was correct. Before the TDRS satellites, all communication with the shuttles was through ground stations, but they could only cover something like 70% (that number could be wrong..) of the orbit, so when Columbia took off, it entered a window where it was unable to get transmissions from KSC or Madrid. This climb is what is referred to in the "over-the-hill", as the shuttle is climbing "uphill" into orbit. my second $0.02: I seem to be lucky to live in So Cal. KLOS, the local album rock station plays Rush fairly regularly. (Last night I heard 2 songs-can't remeber which.) They play new stuff of RTB alot, but I've heard The Trees, Circumstances, FBN, etc.. Also, Last Superbowl weekend (not the most recent one), KLOS had a "Superbowl of Rock". Listeners called in and voted on their favorite band of all time. The results? 4th place: Pink Floyd 3rd place: Van Halen 2nd place: Led Zepplin 1st Place: RUSH!!!!!!!!! and you all though we were weird! my last $0.02: I just picked up "Run From the Fans", and I am most pleased. I do have a question, though - Anyone know why it says "Ghost of a Change"??? Typo? (also I like geddy's "catch the mystery, catch the fish!" in Tom Sawyer.) Well, I hope the $0.06 was worth it..... kerry@i.need.to.sleep.edu ORQ: " " (From "The Rhythm Method") ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 19:19:29 -0500 From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier) Subject: Re: 03/05/93 - The National Midnight Star #638 Anybody have the album, not CD for 2112. Do the boyz look like jerks in their outfits and moustaches. Hey it is a great album don't get me wrong. Anyhow, Geddy is kind of hiding in the "corner", slightly embarrased. [ This picture is available as a gif on syrinx.umd.edu, in the rush/images directory, called "kimono.gif" : rush-mgr ] REgards Neil ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 16:39 GMT From: "The Akond Of Swot.." <BENJAMIN4@VAXC.MIDDLESEX.AC.UK> In response/addition to: Benjamin Travis Radford <icred000@triton.unm.edu> Subject: Six Short Rush Ramblings Items one thru three inclusive, fine... >4.) Anybody know if Neil still smokes? I would think that an avid bicycler > like himself (not to mention a self-disciplined man and strong-willed > percussionist) would have kicked the habit. Just a question. MMmmm, remember B-Man, in Visions, saying that Neil was CHAIN smoking thru his first interview (with neil) Phew.... (Has anyone *EVER* seen Neil smoke on stage? .. SUPER-Unlikely I know, playing the guitar with a cigarette is hard enough....jus' wondrin'.... >6.) One last item: I'm going to do something on this next Album which many > of you will probably think is stupid and childish. I am going to > listen to only side one of their next album. I want to save one album > side of songs for after RUSH is gone. Face it, folks... Rush probably > won't be around for another 10 years. I'll ration the songs to myself > for special occasions (birthdays, etc). Sounds silly, but I'm going to > do it. So there. This is Spooky! I'm doing it *RIGHT* now, with the new(ish) SRV album, (the live one...) I did it with ASOH way back too. (Wow... A Ben who thinks like me! Hurrah!) It's a surprise, a new discovery (rush are hardly EVER played on the radio in the UK...) when you hit a new track, I remember hearing Red Sec A for the 1st time offa ASOH... "Wow..." Oh, BTW... following on from my revalations on the Making Music Readers Poll which I posted to this list, "Rock World" mag (english) had Rush voted "10th Best American Band" ;-) Well that's enough for me, I won't have any pudding thanks, mum. This is a .sig, reconstructed from the remains of a Roman Bath... (English Rushians (?!) are invited to write to The Akond Of Swot here in) (Sunny MIDDX, London....Come to think of it, you can all write to meee!!) (Benjamin4@vaxc.mdx.ac.uk The ONLY Drama student subscriber to NMS. ;-) ) Ak.. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 18:17:14 GMT From: Russell Marks (Zgedneil) <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> Subject: Ged, Neil and Mr. Big in Shuttle Video 'still's scandal Jacob's Ladder - yet another of the songs which got me into Rush. There seems to be quite a lot of them... as there seem to be a lot of lines in my posts. Hey, bear with me here. > A few issues back someone said they were transcribing the transmissions > at the end of Countdown. Rush-mgr suggested checking at some other > computer for the date and transcription. I am pretty sure that the > first shuttle mission ever had Young and Crippen as pilots. Hopefully > that will help you out. Yep, thanks. I knew about Young and Crippen as the first shuttle pilots (I watched that live on TV when I was, uh, eight I think! Wow! I went real 'shuttle-crazy' for a while). If anyone has a list of *.nasa.gov sites with anonymous FTP access, email me it and I'll check 'em out. I'm trying to find a list, but this'd save some time. The only one I've heard of is jpl.nasa.gov. [ Try ames.arc.nasa.gov, this has shuttle logs and other interesting files/images of the shuttle, in pub/SPACE : rush-mgr ] I've contributed my efforts (along with a couple of other guy's suggestions) to the trivia file, in the meantime. Oh and in case anybody's wondering (uh yeah, you're all on the edge of your seat (sic)) I think Countdown is a *fabulous* song. Really like it, especially the way it builds up and... "as the sun and the drama start to mount..." yeah! > Regarding the "Still" vs. "Cannot" issue..... I think they are POLAR > opposites and not at all compatible. Well yes that is both the obvious interpretation and, as you show, one that stands up to scrutiny. I just thought I'd just try to do things differently - for example, as Douglas Adams did when bought all those bottles of aftershave. Ok, not the best example, but you get what I mean. I think 'still' is the one that fits best, and which I most agree with, which seems the predominant opinion. I sure am glad you stuck the words "I think" there or I'd be at you with the meat-cleaver :-) . And again, something Wayne said - 'Geddy tried so hard NOT to sing badly'. I thought he did pretty well on Presto. Better on RTB, but there you go. To be perfectly honest, I think he sings quite well; I don't think it's merely a case of it being right for the music, I think he actually has a quite good voice. > Has anyone heard of Ged, Neil or Alex making personal appearances? Neil has done, I remember. Some sort of 'drum workshop', between Signals and p/g I think. He used some of the stuff from MP, and also The Weapon from Signals as examples or something. Ok so this is world class vagueness, forgive me. [ It was called the "Neil Peart Seminar" and happened on May 5, 1986 at The Percussion Center in Fort Wayne, IN. : rush-mgr ] I've seen tape three of the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert thingy (borrowed it from a friend who had it as footwear). Pretty weird seeing Neil do that kinda stuff. And it's really funny when, after he's broken into the solo, done it, then falls back into the jazz, he looks kinda embarrassed and self-concious. That just made me laugh. I guess his solo doesn't really fit in that setting too well. Anyhow, watch it if possible, it's pretty good. > Has anyone head anything as to the progress of the new album? Last I head (sorry) was the 'Peter Collins to produce New Album' bit. Oh well. And everybody's a bit confused as to when it's going to be released because of something Alex said, but September seems to be the odds-on favourite. I could have just said 'don't think so' couldn't I? Oops. > "You know, after that, the Yes songs sure sound kind of thin. And > Rush's lyrics are very interesting, too." > A new Rush fan is born! And I saw it happen!! The joy of life!!! [...er, more stuff...] > really wanted to tell me was that one of the sample .MID files that > shipped with the board was YYZ.MID!!! Way to go, Roland! [...] This is all amazing! I just feel an urge to overuse punctuation!!! Seriously, this is surprising and great - and just doesn't seem to happen over here in dreary old England (overgeneralization #42). Mumble depression mumble bad weather mumble coursework (I 'spose that's not just over here, right - bummer). In fact, this is all so wonderful it sounds like fantasy - maybe we're all imagining it - whoa! That's all my thoughts for the day so signing off, -Rus. /* _ _ ---------- reality checkpoint : cut here ---------- | | | |_ (|_ ) Russell Marks : Zgedneil : mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk | |_| _| (| |) "respond, vibrate, feed back, resonate" */ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 20:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Convention prices Let me address this. First thing... I divided the price up among 100 people, since I was reluctant to assume that all 200 would definitely show. In some cases this makes a big difference fixed rates of stuff. [ This is in reply to a post made to alt.music.rush. : rush-mgr ] >$85 !!!!!!!! >When I first read this I was sure that hotel was included. >I was shocked to see that this isn't case! > >I mean let's look at how much typical things cost: > A picnic : whilt it should be able to be done for $5 a head, > I can be willing to give benefit of the doubt as > high as $10/person. Actually lets see... to get a convention for 100-200 people CATERED, yes catered, it'll cost about $1000. It's not just as simple as having everyone bring 8 hotdogs and shit. This was the going rate. Divide this among 100 people (low estimate... can't do much better without a FIRM headcount and only way to get that is from a deposit... see where this leads) and you get $10. > A t-shirt: The NMS shirts on the net are $15. I'll use that number. Actually This was $10 per shirt. > A band: A typical club sort of band around here runs $4-6. I'll > round up to $10. Well granted, the club supplies the sound equipment, sound man, the band is local (i.e. doesn't have to road trip a long ass way to get to the gig), and the club covers costs with alcohol and stuff. For me to get a band (and I did check a few), would cause flat rate $1500. This included transportation, and band fee. PERIOD. Now I picked a band I've seen before, since I won't pay that much on faith. They were good. Now sound man, and sound equip rental was another $300 if provided by the band. I don't really know that much bout sound equip, so this is better than finding my own sound man. PLUS a stipulation was they get free hotel rooms. This is about $2000. ($20 a head) Firm, American dollars. It's different GETTING a band, than going to just see one. Please accept this on faith. If you want to discuss this further send me mail, I've toured the club scene and I know quite a bit on how it really works, but I see no need to get into a huge discussion over it right now. > Transportation: You said you'd reduce deposit by $15 for those > providing there own transportation. I don't > know how far you are talking here, but that > sounds like a lot of cash. But I'll give > the benefit of the doubt. Lakeside Park is ONE AND A HALF HOURS AWAY. This means we have to charter a BUS. This comes out to $16 a head, period. PLUS you left out miscellaneous costs, like buying checks for the convention account, stamps to send out receipts, Toronto PHONE BILLS, and stuff like that. I estimated $10 a person because I really didn't have any other figure. This covers ANY and ALL expenses. PLUS you left out renting the meeting hall spaces another $1000 there (yet another $10 a head) PLUS renting the Park (i.e. getting a permit for it) $200 bucks total. ($2 a head) PLUS getting random food at the hotel (i.e. snacks for registration and stuff like that) ($5 a head) >So, 10 + 15 + 10 + 15 = $50 rounding up and giving a whole bunch >of benefit of the doubt for cost. SO 10 + 10 + 20 + 16 + 10 + 10 + 2 + 5 = 83 (Which I then took the liberty of rounding up to 85) I realize this is a HIGH estimate, BUT I have to sign for all this in MY name, and I'd rather estimate high, and worry about surplus later, because if I estimate LOW guess who gets stuck with the bill (that's right folks, it comes out of MY pocket). Yes if more than 100 people come, there will be more surplus. Realize also, that I just converted Canadian dollars to American without screwing with rates this also adds to the surplus. But hey, I don't know what the exchange rate is going to be in almost 4 months. I'm NOT going to even speculate. I wont even get INTO the Canadian 15% tax on stuff. This is why extra monies will be donated to a charity specified by Anthem on behalf of Rush, and some will also go to A Show of Fans fanzine to aid in there printing costs. I will NOT make a profit. If you can't handle my way of dealing with surplus DON'T COME. I'm NOT going to put my ass on the line financially more than I already am. >Also, what's the idea of calling something a deposit, when >it is for the full amount and is non-refundable? Fine, call it a straight fee. Essentially it gives me a firm head count, and allows me to pay for the events. It acts as a deposit in that it allows you to then get a hotel reservation, which you couldn't do without 'the deposit'. >Did you shop around for hotels? $62 a night for a bargain rate? >Seems steep, but then again, I've never been to Toronto. $62 bucks was the cheapest, period. Realize we can't hold a convention in a MOTEL 6, because there isn't any meeting space. Most places were SIGNIFICANTLY higher. You're hitting a prime vacation spot in the peak season (Comes from the 'who wants to come to Toronto in the Winter' travel agent mentality, what can I say) >I don't mean to give you a hard time, I want this thing to >work out and become a tradition, I really do! >I just think that if the cost are prohibitive, then it will >not work out. What can I say? I did all the leg work, I called 2112 different places and tried to come up with comparable rates. Too high? Don't come, what can I say. Granted, I'm sure I made my mistakes, and I have never quite done anything like this before, but NO ONE ELSE VOLUNTEERED. Remember I'm not making doodly shit out of this thing for profit you know. >I would think 5 for picnic > 15 for shirt > 5 for band > 5 for transportation > 5 for extra cost > >for a total of $35, rather than $85. This ain't even on par with YOUR OWN first estimate of $50. Look man, not to sound like a dick or anything, but why don't you call around and get some prices before you rip my head off. I didn't just get these figures out of my asshole. Plus, realize that I don't know EXACTLY how many people intend on showing. Therefore I can't estimate food and some other 'variable costs' so I tended to estimate high, to keep myself protected from personal liability. >just my $0.02 ( and not my $85) well this is MY $85 worth. >Rodney Boles raboles@vnet.ibm.com (posted from a friend account) Final comments: Look if no one gives me a deposit, it doesn't happen, I have deadlines (to the hotel, park, and whatnot) to meet myself. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I put in a LOT of time organizing this thing, and I do find this a little insulting. A better question would have been: John, would you mind itemizing all the costs for us, $85 seems a little steep. Instead of pulling some costs (some totally inaccurate) out of your ass and essentially 'challenging me' to defend my price. Look I'm willing to answer ANY possible questions that arise, but give me some consideration, ok? REMEMBER... No one else wanted to do this. -John Santore ============================================================================= ____________________ / \ "We break the surface tension \_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams" / / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs \_______ / (*) ) ) / / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers! \_____ / / / / / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu) \________/ Rush-Yes-King Crimson-Emerson, Lake and Palmer-Marillion-Genesis (w/ Gabriel) ============================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 23:21:05 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew James McDonald <mjm40@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Mea Cupla, Philosophy, and Stuff Greetings, all. First, an admission of guilt. My last post tweaking Bob Miner's contention that Mr. Peart's lyrics lacked compelling details was a bit of a fraud; my central aim was simply to irk Mr. Miner, who is a friend of mine. If rush-mgr wishes to impose sanctions of some kind on me, such as a 2-issue suspension without pay, I will humbly accept. However, I will briefly defend my use of "unintelligible," which means "not intelligible" [that is, _not_ 'capable of being understood or comprehended' or _not_ 'apprehensible by the intellect only.'] Thus, my description of Bob's argument could have been taken to imply that one needed some sort of super-rational effort to understand it. Unintelligible also means "obscure," and thus I could have been calling his observation obscure or not readily discernible, and that I had to make vast mental leaps just to respond. But as I said before, I wasn't really saying either of those things. Forgive the semantics, but after his blast I felt as if I had to defend the honor of an entire institution. (Albeit one I don't particularly care about.) Also, as a rule you can say anything you want about me, but watch out when it comes to my word choice. :)) Anyway, on to more stuff that is both here _and_ there, before the possible suspension kicks in. :) 1) Most of Bob's comments about Philosophy I agree with, but I do think that Mr. Peart is more than _just_ a popularizer. As Jeremy Strzinski said, Neil undoubtedly has his own philosophy which, though drawing heavily from other thinkers such as Ayn Rand, still counts as original. I think this explains the fact that Neil shies away from identifying his lyrics with Existentialism and even Randism these days -- a reference from an interview that somebody posted a couple of months back. It is not necessary to conclude that Neil is a "great" or "deep" or even "real" Philosopher in order to believe that he occasionally has and expresses original thoughts. Maybe we could call him a philosopher with a small "p." 2) Without overtly reopening the Religion and Rush debate, a couple of points ought to be addressed. First, my own interpretation of "Roll the Bones" runs something like this: As an attitude _toward_ Life, as Wayne Tolman and Jeremy Strzynski seem to take it, I think it's pretty good. Stuff happens, a lot of which we can't either predict or explain, so we might as well go with the flow, spin the wheel, make a deal, whatever. I even think it can be readily reconciled with the Book of Job, the Old Testament's chief stab at the inscrutable ways of God. As a philosophy _of_ Life, however, I share Bob Miner's characterization of it as sadly shallow -- reflecting, unfortunately, the dead spots in Ayn Rand's own thought. (Please no flames on this specifically -- this post is on _Neil's_ work, not hers; Ayn Rand was a great writer, a good theorist, and all that, but let's not open that Pandora's Box at the moment. If you want to slam me, please do it on what I say about Mr. Peart, for now at least.) And I must disagree with what I take to be Wayne's and Jeremy's profession that "RTB" is _just_ about what I have called "attitude toward Life." I think it's pretty clear from lyrics such as Faith is cold as ice Why are little ones Born only to suffer from the want of immunity Or a bowl of rice? that "RTB" is a specific rejection of religious faith. (Again, this is an analysis of the song, __not__ a rebuttal of it. I'm merely giving my own interpretation, for the purpose of showing that Mr. Peart _did_ intend it as a statement of his philosophy _of_ Life.) Also, I cannot share Jeremy's view that the fact that this part is in the form of a question demonstrates that all Mr. Peart wants to do is get us to think about this matter. It seems to me that it's a rhetorical question meant to make a point, not just trigger a reflection. 3) If you wanna just sit back and enjoy the lyrics and/or the music, as Joe Borgia apparently does, that's fine with me. That's what I want to do most of the time, too. But I think elaborating and even, if you will, philosophizing on both is fun. It also, of course, makes us all think. So try to humor us folks who do the band the honor of humbly picking apart the remote nuances of their work. 4) On the posts concerning Determinism vs. Free Will, and most especially Mark Landin's. Most Christian philosophers that I am aware of interpret God's posited omniscience and our posited free will as compatible in the following way: We make our own decisions to live well or badly, but the all-knowing God knows beforehand just what decisions we'll make. Intuitively paradoxical, perhaps, but not logically inconsistent. Finally, although my earlier post was 100% _ad hominem flamus_, the above is not intended as a flame of any kind against anyone. Just a friendly discussion. And I hope that base----, er, the NMS will see fit to allow me to return some day. I've made my mistakes in the past, and I admit them, but I think everybody deserves [sniff] a second chance. Thanks for bearing with the long post. Slainte, Matt ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 93 07:07 GMT From: Cyber Surfer <cyber_surfer@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: NMS T-shirt Bulk UK Order - Final Words Ok, time's up! I will be taking no more orders for the UK Bulk Order for the NMS t-shirt. All further UK orders should be directed to meg@syrinx.umd.edu. This is the final list. You will have one week to send me any corrections. After that week I'll send the orders to Meg. CLGS11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk XL ma2paw@sl1.bath.ac.uk cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk K.Lewis@bnr.co.uk nickp@bnr.ca XL mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk XL ska@dcs.ed.ac.uk XL x 2 mia@crosfield.co.uk XL randalls@cogs.susx.ac.uk u8906483@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk keoghs@dabuh.demon.co.uk XL x 2 Thank you for your attention, now back to the music... -- Cyber Surfing on CIX -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 02:55:27 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead <smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Glitch on ESL? I don't remember seeing this in the FAQ. Now that I have all the albums on disc, I noticed a small digital-sounding glitch just before 3:37 on La Villa. Is this on all copies? I wiped the disk to make sure it wasn't dirt. Could be a scratch if it isn't on the master. Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 10:36:27 -0600 (CST) From: R1B6116@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (Mr. Weather) Subject: Convention highlight video tape? Because the majority of NMS readers won't be able to attend the convention, why don't we elect someone to assemble a 10 or 20 minute video tape of the convention? Maybe it would give us a chance to see some of the faces behind the .sigs! Is this idea feasable? Mr. Weather / r1b6116@zeus.tamu.edu / Ken Blair ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Samdi, le 6e Mars 1993, 12h16 EST From: Charles J McDonald <chuck@geosci.lan.mcgill.ca> Subject: Neil is *not* a philosopher?!? Are you off your chump? Philosophy is thinking and reasoning. As a scientist, I'm also a philosopher. One does not have to say anything new to qualify. Neil Peart, simply in contemplating the meaning of life and existence, even if he never says anything "origional" or "new", is a philosopher. The good philosophers of our time, or anyone elses for that matter, did not stipulate an amount of study that had to be devoted to the topic before one could wear the badge and make the secret signs and use the decoder ring that all philosophers have. (What you don't have one, sorry.) Mr Peart is *not* an aethiest. An agnostic, sure, but songs like Mystic Rhythems and High Water suggest he is enough of a romantic that he might want to believe in more than mere material existence. Freewill vs Determinism: Determinism and fate are derived from the premise that the unverse is ruled by an anthropomorphic being who already figured the whole thing out. Mark's got a good point, by making the lyric sheet opposite from the sung lyrics, you get to decide. (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.) And finally: Ben and Stum say, "I'll save some Rush for when they're gone" What if your gone before they are? That'd be a bummer. -|- __|__ ___/ \___________ __/ \______ ____________________________________/ _____________________\_______ "too late for debate, too bad to ignore | Charles J McDonald quiet rebellion leads to open war | Earth and Planetary Science bring a sea-change to the factory floor | McGill University and the red tide covers the shore" | Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 5:21 pm EST (22:21:43 UT) From: "Stephen M. Boothe" <BOOT1423%FREDONIA.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: A Premonition??? This might seem to be a weird subject for a first post, but here goes: In repsonse to a recent NMS thread on Rush dreams, I must admit that I've been plaugued with this unfortunate condition for some time now. My dreams range from the realistic (such as meeting the splendid trio or catching Alex's pick) to the utterly absurd (camping with Rush and getting into an argument with Neil over the Toronto Maple Leafs). My real reason for posting, however, is a recurring dream that my equally fanatical roommate keeps having. In the dream, he claims that the forthcoming album has a cover and/or musical theme concerning the circus or carnival. He has even gone into greater detail, which I will humanely spare you. Needless to say, he is quite perplexed by this dream and longs to see the new album all the more. I decided to share this with my fellow NMS'ers so that if/when this becomes reality, you heard it here first. Besides, if it does come true, maybe Robert Stack or Leonard Nimoy will knock at my door. BTW, here's a vote for no fourth member unless it's me. Steve Boothe (who's really cool sig file is still in the design stage) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 14:59:43 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Didacts and Narpets Hi there! Blair wrote: > Greetings from the corn belt. There has been some discussion recently > as to what the lyrics to Didacts and Narpets really are. Well, here's > my guess, I agree with the transcription in the first few lines, but > it has always sounded to me that the last two lines went: Left-Right > Left-Right. This may seem strange, but I think that it is a bit > of Rush production humor since it corresponds with the left and > right channels in stereo. Well...I agree with you that I didn't quite agree with what the FAQ said the last two lines were. This left-right idea is a possibility. But, I always thought it said "Fight wrong with right" >...anyone else? Skip ---------------------------------------------------------- From: SMills@ncagccsu.telecom.com.au Subject: Neil is *not* a philosopher?!? Date: Mon, 08 Mar 93 14:17:00 PST Comments in response to Chucks (maybe in this issue), Chuck writes : "Determinism and fate are derived from the premise that the unverse is ruled by an anthropomorphic being who already figured the whole thing out." I think this is in no way necessarily true. Hard Determinism states that all future events are 100% predictable - and this is really _independent_ of the _reason_ these acts are predictable. COULD be a deity controlling things; COULD be the fact that for some reason all the scientific and physical laws just happen to ALLOW hard determinism (though random decay precludes this line of argument). Personally I would LOVE to believe in true free will but deep down I think (because of my scientific background and understanding of physics, cosmology and quantum theory) that I am probably more of a soft determinist. Also on your argument : "Mr Peart is *not* an aethiest. An agnostic, sure, but songs like Mystic Rhythems and High Water suggest he is enough of a romantic that he might want to believe in more than mere material existence." I wish to argue that the line in Roll the Bones that says : "why are little ones born only to suffer, if there's some immortal power to control the dice" similarly hints that Neil _may_ in fact be an aetheist - or at least prefer God to be benevolent... Really It makes no difference to me one way or another - and I am surprised I've got into the discussion this far already! But I AM interested in the freewill/determinism debate so I am willing to keep reading! Hope this didn't bore all the hard rockers out there! Stum ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 23:49:42 CST From: A8732112@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Subject: weekend ramblings Welcome to Spring Break countdown week(5 days left). Just a couple of things today. I was listening to Presto today actually right now. I was wondering why the gituar solo on Chain Lighting in(s) backwards??????? Didi Alex do this to be different or has he done this kind of thing before. Also has anyone reversed that solo so it playes forward??? Next I would like to put the spotlight on that band Helmut(et??). In an interview on Mtv Tabitha Soren(??) asked the bass player who he tried to mimic or better yet who his idols were. He proceeded to rifle off acouple of names but then he said that a big part of his playing style was copied from early RUSH!!! I was surprised to say the least. He said that he like (ed) the hard edged style of the early records. Although that still dosen't help with my views on the band as a whole. Lastly I would like to say that if anyopne out their has noticed the large amount of trios recently. Some of them are even good to listen to. One in particulear is Live. If you haven't heard them your must go out and buy their album Mental Jewelry. It's a great album. Just three guys and good musiceans at that. Just a plug for a good band that gets little press.. Thanks for the use of the soapbox. Matt"HP"Davis Par-Five, Nominated for several top awards including best screenplay and most original script. SIUC-Only one game away from auto-entry to the NCAA tourny. Look out ISU!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 08:52:58 -0500 From: kbullock@acpub.duke.edu (Kenneth Bullock) Subject: Saving A Side of the Next Rush CD How do you save a "side" of a CD, anyway? Are you going to save the side with the music, or the other side? Sorry--I couldn't resist. Seriously, I'd think that after nearly twenty years of producing albums, Rush would have a substantial pile of outtakes lying around. If Rush does cease producing albums in the next ten years (and I haven't heard any indiation that they plan to do so), then I'm sure that We Loyal Fans will be placated with boxed sets containing outtakes, rare live cuts, whatever. Of course, some older acts are finding out that dusting off the stuff from the vaults for these boxed sets is as difficult as producing new albums. It depends on whether one or more Rush members or producers can be conned into doing the job. Ken ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1993 10:32:40 EST From: The Longshot <c2mxbir@fre.fsu.umd.edu> Subject: Dylan, Springsteen, ZZ Top I am getting tired of all this talk of 'who is better?' that is happening lately. My personal opinions are that I respect Dylan as a songwriter, but not as a musician, Springsteen has seen better days, and ZZ Top is a pretty good group with lots of facial hair. I don't know what all this has to do with Rush other than the fact that they were mentioned in a 'Rush related' post. Again, these are just opinions, everyone has one. Just drop the subject and get back to what this list is for: Rush. Jason Birzer 'The Longshot' Frostburg State University c2mxbir@fre.fsu.umd.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 09:34:02 -0600 From: dstrickl@ho11.eng.ua.edu (Daniel Patrick Strickland) Subject: Eclectic Breakfast Greetings from Tuscaloosa, AL. Yes, we do have Rush fans here as well and occasionally a concert fairly close. I just got my first issue of NMS and I must compliment both the mngr and the readers as to their knowledge and obvious love for a great band. Seems that a lot of the posts compare Rush and another group...or compare philosophy of Neil with someone else's. I hate to use this name, but that other Canadian power trio Triumph seemed to point out what I like about Rush the most in "Magic Power." It's that freat feeling when you're doin' 85 in a 55 zone with the sunroof open and "Spirit of the Radio" is blaring. How can you really describe that? It's something that you feel as opposed to analyze. But, I'm sure that's how everyone feels. The great thing about Rush is their ability to convert someone who is totally convinced that they're pretty awful. Case in point: My girlfriend had the oh-so-typical response to my Rush CD's-- "I can't stand his voice". However, now it seems like she's picking "Chronicles" out of the CD case every time we drive anywhere...hmmm. You gotta love that. It's an ability no other group I know can emulate (learn to hate the Cure...now) Anyway, I saw Rush at U.N.O. a week before Mardi Gras last year and at Nashville last summer...a word of warning to any would-be Nashville/Rush goer's. The Starwood Ampitheater is not well engineered. Unless, you happen to be a direct descendant of Kareem-Abdul Jabbar, your chances of a "good" seat are limited. Thanks for the great discussion....Roll Tide! Bama Rules! 13-0 national champs....shameless plug [ War Eagle! Sorry, just couldn't resist... :) Please keep your posts to < 80 characters/line. : rush-mgr ] --Daniel Strickland ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1993 10:25:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Life's a crap shoot...so ROLL THE BONES." <CLARKTODD@bvc.edu> Subject: Trees and the Spine of Presto I'm driving from school (in Omaha, NE) the other day. Before I get to the interstate, this classic rock station (CD 105.9FM) starts to play THE TREES. And as I'm driving along with the cheap factory installed radio in my '82 Toyota Corolla Tercel SR5 turned almost to the state of overmodulation, I pass two streets: Oak and Elm (yeah, I was looking for a Maple Street but had to settle with Oak and Elm). How eerie. I was kinda ticked when I saw that PRESTO spine. I thought about turning it upside down. But, it goes along with the cd. It's the way I got it so I just left it like is and so it stays upside down. I know which cd it is so it's no big deal. Plus, PRESTO is one of the cds I like listening to, so much in fact that the corner of the jewel box has broken off due to opening it so many times! Replace it you may say...NEVER!!! 23 hours and 30 minutes till I buy the new Sting cd (as of this typing)! JOY! Todd Clark Never love an editor. - Encore Video the video butcher post sent from Storm Lake, IA clarktodd@bvc.edu really typing from Omaha, NE ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1993 12:34:08 AST From: "STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND...'" <otoni2365@cuhac.upr.clu.edu> Subject: NEIL VISIONS Hi Rush fans: I want to talk about the message from R.Camp about Neil's philo- sophy in the NMS. I'm agree with you 100%.Peart is a very smart person and he is a good visionary.He creates a new standard in lyrics in the world of music and I think that he was not living his world according to his time (for example 2112).Only a few people understand what he want to show and I think that that is the reason of why Rush is considered a different group.,not for the weak of mind. You forget to mention Albert Camus that was an existential too. I can't consider Peart like one of the great philosophers of our times but he is a "genius" in the world of music.I like Rush because is not conven- tional.I don't like the music from this time because is superficial and don't demonstrate nothing new.(only the New Age is creating a new standard, like Enya,Clannad,Patrick O'Hearn...). My final statement,Rush is Rush and Peart is Peart and until this time not exist a drummer that is a master in drums (the best in rock for me) and at the same time is a "visionary". Peart is #1. Otto ... ( Entre nous ) '==Rush===; ---------------------------------------------------------- From: umnevile@ccu.UManitoba.CA Subject: YYZ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 11:58:10 CST Let me pose a quick question... I know that the bells at the very beginning of YYZ is the morse code pattern of YYZ, but is the rhythm that the guitar plays at first the same? I mean, is that YYZ in morse code too? Right. Just a quickie. Ben PS: To whoever said "Cam Neely: two games two goals" I reply thusly: Teemu Selanne. Two games, seven Goals. 'nuff said. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Grumann <dougg@hpptc3.rose.hp.com> Subject: Neil short story to be published Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 11:01:50 PST FYI for those of you Neil fans who are wondering if he's published any prose.. Kevin Anderson is an author and a friend of mine who is collaborating with Neil Peart on a short story which will be published in a paperback collection called SHOCK ROCK 2 sometime next year. The first collection, SHOCK ROCK, came out last year with stories by Stephen King and other horror luminaries. It should be easily findable. Kevin has authored several books. His latest, ASSEMBLERS OF INFINITY, coauthored with Doug Beason, came out in February and should be in the Science Fiction section of bookstores. Two other collaborations of theirs I'd recommend are THE TRINITY PARADOX and LIFELINE. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 14:05:26 -0600 From: alecren@cs.umr.edu Subject: Rush's Political background. Just a quick question and I know this has probably been asked before but I am new to the list. Would anyone on here agree with me that some <mind you I said SOME not ALL> of Rush's lyrics are a little liberal? I am not sure about some of their current ones...i.e. RTB but you cannot tell me that Closer to the Heart does not have liberal attitudes to it. Also would this be reflective of Rush or just Neil? Rush Fan wannabe, Starfox <flames to alecren@cs.umr.edu :) > ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 08 Mar 1993 15:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: STEPHENS%DEPAUW.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: Limbaugh Fans Whazzup Rush Freaks? I noticed a while back that someone mentioned that Rush (Limbaugh, that is) played Ghost of a Chance as one of his "bumpers". Well, I listened to Limbaugh this summer (while I was alone at work with a paint brush) and I noticed that he also played some other Rush tunes (Working Man among them, I think). What a rush (pun intended) to hear two greats together at last. While I don't agree with 95% of what Limbaugh says, he is spreading Rush to the masses (12 million+ listeners) and I think that it's just dandy. Hopefully more dittoheads will become Rush heads (which I think is *definitely* a change for the better!! Later, Blair A. Stephenson "Well I get home around five o'clock/ and I take myself out an ice cold beer" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 15:18:21 -0500 From: meg (******* Meg *******) Subject: NMS Shirts & Another Shirt Idea? Just got our 3rd batch of shirts, we did a mass mailing out on Saturday, and mailed the last 5 off earlier today. Those waiting should start getting them tomorrow, let me know what you think of them! Any questions regarding the shirts just mail to me (address at the bottom). Many of you have seen the cd_cover.gif in rush/incoming (if not, now's a good time to check it out!), and I was thinking about putting this on a shirt. Using a 4-color separation it's not that hard. Would people be interested in getting one? I was thinking of a black shirt with a white border around the image, but with the white border the shirt could really be any color people want. Comments? -Meg meg@syrinx.umd.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 15:33:56 -0600 From: Jason Crawford <me12792@camelot.bradley.edu> Subject: Some Questions about Rush. Hey all you Rush Fans out there. I am helping a friend out for his speech, and I thought that I'd forward this to TNMS and you could help also. I know a lot of the answers, but you guys sure could help also! Thanks for everything, -Jason Mail your responses to: clif@camelot.bradley.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 when did they form 2 what awards has each guy won guitarist of the year etc....and when they one 3 awards the group has won 4 any quotes that you may have or know off hand made by other artists about rush 5 any magazine quotes about the quality or dependability of rush's music basically anything that you can get me on what people have said about the band that is good. i have to do a report on why rush should be considered on of the best bands ever....so this is kinda the thing you would agree with so if you could try to get me some good stuff...if you get anything from the fan magazine send it too....or tell me how to get it again....over the computer thanks. this will help a lot if you can do it for me. clif ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 93 16:49:05 CST From: Tracey <TMCCART3@UA1VM.UA.EDU> Subject: RTB tour... Hi, all -- I just remembered why I didn't enjoy the RTB concert I saw in Atlanta like I had past shows. They seemed to have been playing things way down-tempo and perhaps even in a lower key, giving the listener the distinct feeling she (or he) was watching the concert while under the influence of powerful cold medicine. Comments? Flames? Empirical evidence? Good prescriptions for cold medicine? : ) Tracey ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Torman <wayneto@microsoft.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 16:25:49 PST Subject: RE: Neil is *not* a philosopher?!? To:Chuck McDonald Well, it's like this........ I don't think Neil would consider HIMSELF a 'philosopher' either. It takes a certain amount of pomposity and self-importance to call oneself a 'philosopher'.... BTW this makes me think of a recurrent theme that Ian Anderson (of Jethro Tull) brought up during the seventies. Of course I can't remember the exact text, but he basically said, "You are whatever it says you are on your passport...." I'm sure Neil's says "musician". Beyond that, the songs that you mention ("High Water" and "Mystic Rhythms") do indeed imply that he thinks there is more than material existence.... The thing is (from this Atheist's point of view) that 'suspending one's disbelief' in order to entertain oneself is different from believing in an all-powerful entity. There are many things beyond human experience and (this is the key) beyond the human ability to explain. IMHO, Theists believe that that which cannot be explained is best explained as 'the work of God', while Atheists believe that that which cannot be explained simply has yet to be explained!! It seems to me that MANY of the things that the Bible and Middle Ages historians attributed to God have since been explained by empirical science, and yet none of the things explained by science have EVER been changed to "Oh, it must have been the work of God after all!!" As for Determinism vs. Freewill, this is (IMHO) an argument without answer, used mostly as mental aerobics before Zen became fashionable..... The only sensible answer is "I will choose Freewill", because if there is Freewill, you should avail yourself of it, and if there isn't, then it doesn't matter what you choose anyway!! I know what I'll choose..... As for Rush content.... Did anyone ever notice just how GREAT the song "A Farewell to Kings" is? Well, I did. And did again, and again, and again, and that's probably one of the 4,632 reasons why I'm here!! (I know, I know, the other 4,631 are all "because I'm here"!!) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 18:16:13 -0500 From: jlang (~ Rush Fanatic ~) Subject: Official NMS Proposal! Ok, the time has come! For those of you who aren't too familiar with some of the Rush fanzines that are around (or have been around), I was just sitting back last night reading the latest issue of ASOF #6 (A Show of Fans) and started to brainstorm (yes, these things happen). I'd like to propose that with the membership count of the National Midnight Star (roughly 1700 people now!) and the well diversified intellectual spectrum of the people on the list, that we could certainly make our own Rush Fanzine. Yes, you heard right. A quality production of a Rush fanzine by the NMS is possible and *not* difficult at all. Keep in mind that this isn't just another fly-by-night operation (pun? what pun?). I'm talking QUALITY, not QUANTITY. The idea here is *NOT* simply to get some text together and send them to some line printer and voila! an instant-fanzine. This NMS fanzine will be done professionally, excellent graphic packages with quality laser printed output, good photo/artwork, etc... brought to you by the power of Desktop Publishing, some high quality computers, good graphics tools, a 600 dpi color scanner, etc..etc. ah.. the joys of computing! This is not to say that prior fanzine publications such as ASOF or SOR-UK are inadequate or poorly done. In fact, they are both good and I would encourage those who haven't subscribe to go and support your local Rush fanzine. If anything the NMS newsletters/fanzines, will be a great addition and complement to existing publications. There are lots of things that could be done. Perhaps a good thread from our own NMS archives. Maybe a few columns and guest writers. Anything at all on Rush will be fine. The ftp site here at syrinx.umd.edu is just a wealth of information. There are several things that could be included in each issue. We have lots of graphic files, interviews (even an NMS interview), articles from magazines, tourbooks, etc.. and with the aid of a scanner there should be NO WORRIES about how things will look. Perhaps an official hard copy guide to the syrinx ftp archives would be a good project. All pictures, articles, etc. nicely printed out, formatted in a professional manner. Also, as a result of this, when the next tour starts out, the NMS magazine will have nothing but a chronogical guide and comprehensive reviews of EVERY single show. This will be dubbed "The Definitive Guide to the XXX Tour" with newspaper clippings, set list, description of events, pictures, ticket stubs, marquee headlines, radio interviews, etc.. With all the resources of the NMS this Definitive Guide to the next tour will no doubt be at least 200 pages or so of high quality graphics, text, stories, reviews, pictures and everything else you guys can think of. By the tour's end, we'll have one complete volume (or perhaps 2 depending on material) that people could purchase (costs will be calculated to recover mailing expenses and paper expenses). So what do you say? Is it time for this latest NMS project to take off or what? Those of you who would like to contribute articles/stories, let me know. And should any material be taken from the NMS list, original posters will be notified and permission will be asked. With each issue, I'm thinking we could easily get 10-20 pages/month no problem. And lastly, the price will be *FREE*!! Well, those who want the hardcopy of the fanzine will of course have to reimburse for the postage/shipping. If anything it will be very low-cost, just enough to pay for the paper and the mailing. I've already got a whole line of things all ready to start production. Most importantly, I will need people to help out with it and contribute artwise/article-wise, etc... Hmm..what will we call it? Anyone got any ideas? How about a vote on a name? The NMS newsletter name contest. Hmm.. Does anyone care? Thoughts? Inputs? Critics? Let's hear it for this idea. I for one would like to see a high quality production from the NMS members that is representative of this most amazing mailing list. -Jimmy jlang@syrinx.umd.edu ----------------------------------------------------------
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