The National Midnight Star #619

From temples@syrinx.umd.edu Thu Feb 11 19:12:34 1993 Return-Path: <temples@syrinx.umd.edu> Received: from syrinx.umd.edu by dsys.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/NIST-dsys) id AA04023; Thu, 11 Feb 93 19:12:31 EST Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA16042; Thu, 11 Feb 93 18:30:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 18:30:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9302112330.AA16042@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 02/11/93 - The National Midnight Star #619 Status: R
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Re: The Necromancer NMS T-shirt Bulk UK Order Fourth member poll Keyboardist License plates seen A Fourth Member... re: Geddy in his own comic book? ramblings Rush Cover Band in N.Y. ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rush gifs Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:48:30 -0600 From: "P.L. Smith, B&C0., SIC ESW, 245-2290" <pls@shell.com> Salutations, Is it possible that one of you rush manics that have access to syrinx gif directory, send me some of the cool rush gifs. Unfortunately, I don't have ftp access here at Shell Oil (security problem). I heard that these gif are really cool and if you use uuencode, you can put them into a format that can by sent through uucp. You can probably send through email, which I've never tried. It would be greatly appreciated if someone, through the kindness of their heart, send these to brighten my Sparc with Rush. If there are any questions please email. Thanks again. //Pete// "Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind!" ------------------------------------------------------------------- |Peter L. Smith, Berger & Co. @ Shell Oil Information Center | |Computer Technology - Eng/Sci Workstations-Products | | VOICE: (713) 245-2290 INTERNET: pls@shell.com | | EMAIL: pls | ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:30:00 EST From: "(Gerry Good)" <J455%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> Subject: 4th member Hey all, In response to the thread about possibly a new 4th member, I would hate to see this happen on an album. In the studio, it is easier to put in keyboards, effects, etc. since they can be overdubbed, etc. (I am not a recording expert, so don't feel the need to anally retentively describe the recording process.) On tour however, I wouldn't be too broken up to see an extra person on keyboards, since Geddy and Alex aren't really known for their keyboard playing anyway, and this would let them concentrate on their respective instruments. It might actually improve their live show and expand what they are capable of doing on stage. Anyway, that's my $.02. Gerry Good ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Feb 93 16:29:21 EST From: "Will Geeslin" <WILL.GEESLIN@UKWANG.UKY.EDU> Subject: Rush tribute possibility I am a guitarist that would like to form a Rush tribute band. I attend the University of Kentucky at Lexington. I am an hour and a half from Cin. so it might be possible to coordinate something from there. Interested? E-mail me. BTW, the you-know-what is a great idea and if you don't like it don't buy it. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Feb 1993 15:58:54 -0600 (CST) From: ST1S1@Jetson.UH.EDU Subject: Album Poll!!! Hi all!! Well, I've heard now from about 70 of you, and the results are amazing! Some of you are making comments about the difficulty of choosing just one favorite album.......I know it is hard, but there must be one album, that you can ALWAYS listen to! Anyway, the results again, will be posted on Monday...... In case you're wondering, ESL and ATWAS should be included. There have been votes for every single album except one. Can you guess which one? Alright, I'll get back to counting votes now! Remember, send your votes to: st1s1@jetson.uh.edu I'll look forward to posting results soon! Hasta! Dan Zivijinovich Ross ****************************************************************************** No, come on, all jokes aside............. why are we here? ****************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 17:10:36 -0500 From: redpaco@acs.bu.edu (Jennifer Feinman) Subject: Niki Taylor Hey all, Sorry this has taken me so long to post, but I believe last week "Rodge" said something about Niki Taylor being a fan... Well this past summer I remember flipping through my sister's Seventeen magazine (of course Niki was on the cover) and towards the back of the issue they had a mini-interview with her. Well, one of the questions was "What is your dream date?" To which niki said she had already BEEN on it-- dinner with her boyfriend, followed by a concert by her favorite band--RUSH. So there you have it. But that brings me to MY question--why does it seem that guys always seem so surprised to find female Rush fans? And ven more, why are they SHOCKED when some of us are pretty?! For example this summer I was running into a video store down by the beach, and since a)it was the summer and b)I was coming back from the beach, all I had on was a pair of old jean shorts and a Rush tee. Well, this guys almost tripped over himself trying to get the door for me. What did he say? "It's only 'cause such a beautiful girl is wearing a RUSH shirt." So guys--are female fans that rare?! I suppose so... Interesting fact: that's how I met my boyfriend: I was walking around with some lyrics to Presto written on the outside cover of a notebook, when he came up to me and asked what they were. So I said lyrics to a song by a group called Rush. And he promptly responded "I know...but why do YOU?!" So what's the deal?! Oh well. I suppose its not such a bad thing...! jen p.s. anybody know if any cover bands will be in boston any time soon? I heard one was, not so long ago, but I seem to have missed them. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 16:35:09 -0600 (CST) From: MuffinHead <smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: The Weapon again I still say that this song is one of the simplest Neil has ever done. Like I said, I was playing it note-for-note almost 11 years ago. The fill after the guitar solo: Any decent 7th grade snare drummer should be able to play it. It's just a bunch of rudiments stuck together. Just so no one thinks I'm ragging on Neil, it's also one of the coolest drum parts as far as the less-is-more concept goes with Neil. Playing the main beat just *feels* right (leading with the right or left, it doesn't matter except for what someone else said in the last NMS). I dunno, but I have serious doubts that Neil said he *has* to play it with left on hi-hat and right on snare. Muff ___________________________________________________________________________ smills@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu -=<*>=- MuffinHed@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 20:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: Chad H Hutchinson <06819@brahms.udel.edu> Subject: Glitch in Twilight Zone and 4th Member Hi kids, I want to give credit to Phil Augur for correcting me on the location of the "unexplained glitch" in "Twilight Zone." I hadn't listened to the tune for a while and when I was posting the observation, I was trying to recall where is was from memory. Thanks, Phil. NOW, does anyone know what the hell it is? Oh boy, I was really hoping that this kind of rumor wouldn't surface. We heard this same kind of shit for the last two tours, now a permanent member? Please. On the _Profiled!_ CD, all three members clearly mention their happiness in remaining a three piece. None of them feel they have to do a solo album because they can't do what they want or play what they want within the context of the band. They like the idea that having an odd number of members easily quiets disagreements. They've been together with Neil at least since 1974, guys, c'mon! They have finally gotten a feel for exactly where they want to go with the music, how they wnat to go about it, a formulated writing system for creating the songs (Neil alone on lyrics and Geddy and Alex together on music), and simply a TIGHLY knit friendship and working relationship that would probably be really disrupted by the entrance of a fourth member. They all really value the fact that they are only three guys out there on the stage making all that noise all by themselves. And someone made a good point that their recent musical direction has shyed away from all the keyboard stuff. They've proven that they can play all the other stuff in concert by themselves and with technology where it is, simply triggering a program could free them up enough for them to run around and have a great time on the road. They sure as hell showed us that with the Roll the Bones Tour. Where do you think some of this "new" energy came from? They're learning their own ways of freeing themselves on stage so I wouldn't worry at all about a fourth member. And if you'd like a steady keyboardist, go listen to two of the best in the rock era, Tony Banks of Genesis or Rick Wakeman (with Yes or solo). They'll show you how where rock keyboards belong. Ah, I feel better now. ============================================================================ | | | \ _____ \ \ \ ____ \ The Ghost | | \ \ \ \ \ ghost@brahms.udel.edu | | \ \ \ \_____ \ ____ Chemical Engineering | | \ \ \ \ \ \ University of Delaware | | \__ \_______ \______ \__ \__ | | "Light redirected in ways unexpected." | ============================================================================ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 20:24:38 GMT-0600 From: jtstrzyn@papaya.wustl.edu (Jeremy Todd Strzynski ) Subject: Greetings and a fourth member--a thought My name is Jeremy, and this is my first time to post something on NMS--following the lead of my roommate I figured it'd be cool to talk with other Rush fanatics. My e-mail address is: jtstrzyn@pear.wustl.edu so if anyone wants to drop a line, especially other WashU students, I'd be more than happy to chat. On the subject of a fourth member of Rush, I personally think it'd be a bad idea. Having only three people is part of what makes Rush Rush. I remember when Neil was on Rockline he said the three of them were proud of what they could do as a trio, which is why they hadn't added a fourth member during the mid-80's when they were even more keyboard oriented. What I think Rush needs to do is drop the keyboards almost entirely during live shows. Imagine songs like Subdivisions and DEW with only guitar parts. They'd sound different, and I think better. Plus, it would allow them to jam more, which is a talent they have but don't use nearly enough. Zeppelin once played "Dazed and Confused" for 44 minutes. I'd like to hear Closer to the Heart played about that long. Well, I've rambled too long. Tell me what you think about what I've said here. I'd like some responses. jeremy ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 22:31:08 EST From: "Jason McNamara, UCS PCF Consultant" <JMCNAMAR@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: 4th member Regarding a fourth, there's another option I've not yet seen discussed. What do you folks think about just having an extra person when touring, like Genesis does? (well, two extra in their case, but you get the idea...) Intersted to hear your thoughts... (er, interEsted) Jason McNamara, Russian and East European Institute, Indiana University (Insert favorite Rush quote here...) Canadiens dump Isles 5-3 @ Nassau, extend lead in Adams. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jmgil1@mail.wm.edu (Gillespie John Michael) Date: 10 Feb 93 23:14:32 Subject: general topics This is sort of a conglomeration of topics. I WILL BEGIN BY SAYING NO MORE DREAM THEATER. I keep hearing all this shit about them. They suck point blank. The NMS is about quality stuff not cheap sideshow phonies. Let's not compare this group to Rush anymore. If we want any group to open for Rush it should be Marillion. [ Ok, I should interject here before a big flame war. Please people, if you don't like a band, then state so but don't just say they suck. This is the stuff flames are made of. I don't want to use the above as an example but there is a point to be made here. This is a list about Rush, please, let's keep the DT stuff to email or USENET. Maybe someone will form them a mailing list:) : rush-mgr ] On the subject of the boot CD. I think we should remember that this is a group of people who appreicate the music of Rush. The only ethical course of action will be to ask for perrmission to produce a non-profit CD. If the deny us we abandon the proceedure. I would also like to say that a fourth member might not be as bad as we all think at first. In reference to yesterday's posting by Jeff Boerio the elimination of the need for Alex and Geddy to muck around with keyboards would give them the chance to perform more on their instruments. I don't know about anyone else but I would not mind Geddy having more time to play the bass like in the earlier albums. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ OX "For I have dined on honeydew Physics Department and drunk the milk of William and Mary paridise" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 23:21:43 EST From: tweety@ruth.ece.psu.edu (Mike Hansen) Subject: Another plate... One particular license plate I saw driving through Harrisburg: CGNSX-I Another thread: I think the common opinion is that Peart was inspired to write both The Necromancer and (especially) Rivendell through reading The Lord of the Rings trilogy by Tolkien. I had earlier thought that another book inspired The Necromancer, then checked it out to find that it had been written long after CoS came out. It's a shame that Peart and Rush in general are so sick of fielding questions about their early songs. I, too, wish they would give some explanation to how they got some of those early ideas, especially for By-Tor and the Snow Dog...oh well. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:29:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan T. Moore" <jmci+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: The Necromancer I would tend not to think that the Necromancer is in any way derived from Tolkein's The Hobbit. In the book, yes, Sauron (a.k.a. the Necromancer) did occupy Dol Goldur on the southern border of Mordor, but I fail to see any other connections other than the "big bad wizard in a tower" idea. For instance, who equates to By-Tor? Certainly no single character in Tolkein's world was powerful enough to dislodge Sauron single-handedly, much less kill him. Also, who are the three travellers? I could perhaps see just three random people, but then one single wanderer would have done the trick as far as the story goes. I don't know. I remember someone else saying that the three people referred to Geddy, Alex, and Neil, which to me sounds far more plausible. Oh well. Just a few thoughts. ----------------------------------------------- Jon Moore (jmci@andrew.cmu.edu) "What have I got in my pocket?" --Bilbo "Let the truth of love be lighted, Let the love of truth shine clear." --RUSH ----------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 07:10 GMT From: Cyber Surfer <cyber_surfer@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: NMS T-shirt Bulk UK Order Well, I now have a couple more names for the NMS T-shirt UK Bulk Order. Thanks. A few more and I think we may have an order ready! Remember, this is only for UK readers, as I'm not going to organise an European Bulk Order. I leave that task for someone else, and good luck to you if you do. The list so far: CLGS11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk ma2paw@sl1.bath.ac.uk mia@crosfield.co.uk cstadgs@csv.warwick.ac.uk If your name is *not* on this list, and you'd like to be put on this list, please mail me with the subject "BULK ORDER". This will ensure that you are not missed when I trawl thru my mail file looking for you! All these NMS digests have "t-shirt" in them, so this will help enourmously! Thank you for your attention, now back to the music... -- Cyber Surfing on CIX -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 02:28:02 -0500 From: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari) Subject: Fourth member poll Ok....lets get a consensus. Personally, I think a 4th member is a terrible idea, but let's find out how we feel in general. Vote for ONE of these 3 choices. 1. I think a 4th permanent member of Rush is a good idea. 2. I think a 4th member to help play keyboards IN CONCERT ONLY is a good idea. 3. I think Rush should remain a threesome, even in concert. Send votes to nam2@po.cwru.edu as for the next tour, the perfect opener would be Dream Theatre. They don't sound like Rush, but they are definately influenced by them, and are a progressive rock fan's DREAM (no pun intended). [ Sigh, yet another DT reference. :rush-mgr ] One more thing, I'll call them the "boyz" if I damn well please, so there!! :P Nick -- Nick Mascari - Mechanical Engineering - CWRU |~~~\ | | /~~~\ | | "Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth |___/ | | \__ |____| living for." - Neil Peart of Rush | \ | | \ | | "Beer: Man's greatest discovery" - NM | \ \__/ \___/ | | ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 09:12:32 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Keyboardist Hi all... About the "adding the fourth member?" thread...everyone seems to be discussing the effect this would have on the CHEMISTRY of the band, rather than the IMMEDIATE effect this act would have on the MUSIC (although I agree with the obvious truth that changing the chemistry would change the music)...and it's true also what someone said about bands having keyboard parts in their live performances that we don't SEE BEING PLAYED (I can't stand that!...not really honest ya know...) But, I guess my point is this: instead of adding a keyboard player (and thus probably more keyboards to future RUSH songs)...maybe the band should STOP RELYING ON KEYBOARDS SO MUCH!!! I was under the impression that the band was actually traveling down this road with the last couple of albums...I've heard interviews where they stated that Hold Your Fire had kind of driven them to extremes with keyboards and they were trying to downplay the keyboards again...kinda put the focus back on the three-piece sound. If they were going to add a boardist, they probably would have done it at Hold Your Fire (or A Farewell To Kings for that matter!)...perhaps it was from an interview from THAT era that the so-well-informed MTV got it's info! I think it would be a mistake to the music AND the chemistry to add a keyboardist...but I DON'T THINK THEY WILL. It would be inconsistent with their new direction...it's not a matter of who gets freed up on stage by someone else playing what parts...it's a matter of how they want the new songs to SOUND...and the band has stated that they want more of a three piece sound for now...we shall see. I say: make another Fly By Night sounding album!!!! Skip ---------------------------------------------------------- From: becker@boilerbob.corp.mot.com (John Becker) Subject: License plates seen Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 8:27:58 CST On the thread of Rush-related license plates, I've seen both a car and a truck (different license classes) with RUSH FAN several times at various spots around the Chicago area. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 08:22:00 PST From: JJones.wbst129@xerox.com Subject: A Fourth Member... All the Rush World, I have been reading all the comments on the rumoured 4th member. C'mon, people!! Have we all forgotten such great works as Different Strings, Witch Hunt, Tears, Time Stands Still, Losing It, etc. Not to mention the various influences from other writers on Neil's lyrics. Where would these songs be without these outside influences. I personally believe that their onstage performances would only be enhanced by another member to take over control of the keyboards. As has been mentioned, Geddy and Alex would be free to cook on their main instruments, as they aren't a band to take the easy road. I don't know if anyone else is aware of this, but this very rumour has been spread each and every time they have started a new album since, as I remember, Hemisphere's. I don't put a lot of credence in it until I see the credits on the new album. I kind of like the idea of a fourth in the background, a Rick Wakeman type or even Hugh Syme. As I have stated before, I think these three guys are the ultimate perfectionists and will not put something out unless it stands their microscopic perusal. Also, WELCOME BACK PETER!!! Can't wait to see the results. Flames ON. That is all. Oh, yeah, "I see Red..." Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 09:54:49 -0700 From: colesa@spot.Colorado.EDU Subject: re: Geddy in his own comic book? In NMS #617 Kevin B. Fournier writes: >Yes, I've been playing with my new GIF watcher utillity and blowing of work >(hey, I work for the government anyway....). Well, I just noticed that if >one looks at the picture of Geddy playing the double neck bass/guitar in >doubleneck.gif, one notices that with his eyes completely shadowed, and as >thin as he is, Geddy looks just like Morpheus in Vertigo's Sandman (at least >some of the older issues such as during the Seasons... story line). > >Do many Rush fans read comics? Just curious... > >Brent Wasn't there a Marvel Comic featuring RUSH, or at least mentioning the Trio? Somebody with a better memory help! [ From the FAQ: In _Defenders_ #45 Rush is mentioned in the credits (the storyline is along the lines of "2112") : rush-mgr ] Adam Coles * Senior, Bioengineering * Sure I'll wear a three piece suit... College of Engineering * As long as it's jeans, t-shirt, CU Boulder * and a leather jacket! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Butterworth <butterwo@rex.cs.tulane.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 12:54:34 CST Subject: ramblings Howdy everyone! I noticed a bootleg in a local music store the other day. Its called Bone the Rolls. Its definately from the latest tour. I can't remember if anyone mentioned it on the newsletter yet. Has anyone heard it? There's also been some talk about that mess-up in Twilight Zone. I personally don't think that it is a mistake. It stands out too much to not be noticed or fixed by the band. I think it adds a touch of eerieness to the song anyway. Also, someone mentioned the album Signals as not generally being popular. This may be so, but it is currently my favorite Rush album. I think it is a total masterpiece. I love the way the album sounds and flows together. Blake ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 93 15:04:16 -0600 From: Eric Steven Liebman <esliebma@lime.wustl.edu> Subject: Rush Cover Band in N.Y. [ Sorry this took so long to get here! : rush-mgr ] I wrote in recently about a Rush cover band in New York. Someone who wanted more info wrote in and suggested that I was from Lehigh. I am not; I live in New York where I saw the group, "Power Windows," and I school in St. Louis (Wash. U.). I have more band info. Their address, for anyone interested, is: Power Windows c/o Dan Gibson 60 E. 12th St., #2J New York, NY 10003 They will play at Low Down (in Mt. Vernon, NY) on 2/19/93. " " " " Lips (in Farmingdale, NY) on 2/27/93. " " " " Rock the House (in Wallington, NJ) on 2/28/93. Call to verify dates and cover charges: Low Low Down: 914-667-5422 Lips: 516-731 Lips: 516-731-9540 Rock the House: 201-916-1677 also: Rock N Roll Cafe: 212-677-7630 (they will be there soon). If you want to be included on their mailing list, I would suggest that you send them a stamp or two to defray the costs, since I have no idea how they think about mailing updates to random Rush fans. If you have a chance to see this band, a highly recommend it. No, they are not Rush, and you should not go to see them expecting to see Rush, but they're (w/o a doubt) the best Rush cover band I've ever heard or seen. Farewell, Eric Alex Liebman, a citizen of the world I am. I think. I will. My hands...My spirit...My sky... My forest...This earth of mine... What must I say besides. These are the words. This is the answer. I stand here on the summit of the mountain. I lift my head and I spread my arms. This, my body and spirit, this is the end of the quest. I wished to know the meaning of things. I am the meaning. I wished to find a warrant for being. I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction. --Ayn Rand, Anthem, Ch. 11 (1937) Signet Books What a book! ----------------------------------------------------------
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