The National Midnight Star #609

From temples@syrinx.umd.edu Thu Jan 28 19:12:18 1993 Return-Path: <temples@syrinx.umd.edu> Received: from syrinx.umd.edu by dsys.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/NIST-dsys) id AA02497; Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:12:16 EST Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA09410; Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:30:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:30:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9301282330.AA09410@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 01/28/93 - The National Midnight Star #609 Status: R
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What do you think? possible future song theme Re: Fav solos Hemi Poster, and Thanks What else is there to talk about...? Posters NMS Shirts! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jan 93 16:31:02 EST From: "Will Geeslin" <WILL.GEESLIN@UKWANG.UKY.EDU> Subject: Time Stand Still I forget who I was talking to, but I'm sure it was someone at some record label. Anyway, the person told me that one of the reasons that Rush did not renew its contract with Polygram/Mercury was over the Time Stand Still video. They hated it and didn't want to release it. Polygram did anyway and they began looking for a new label. Maybe its true, maybe not, and either way it surely wouldn't be the only reason they moved on to Atlantic. Does anyone know any info regarding this ? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:08:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jason James Haas <jh72+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Hemispheres poster In Thursday's TNMS, it was posted, >Does anyone else out there have the Hemispheres album cover as a full size >poster??? No one has ever mentioned it on the list I was wondering if there >are very many out there... > Kevin I do have the full size poster, but I don't know anyone else who has one. I picked mine up at Iowa State University in a used tape/cd store in 90'. I fell in love with it when I saw it and it was the only one there. If anybody else knows where some are, I'd like to know. A few friends of mine are interested in getting their paws on one. If you have a chance to grab one, do so. If they are as rare as people say.......don't let it flash by you. Jason -- "Hoser" call name - "Wolverine" Roll the Bones!!!! [ Next time could you keep your .sig to ~5 lines? Thanks. : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:49 CST From: CUBSFAN@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU Subject: Any easy clean way to solve the bootleg dilemma I have an idea for the bootleg being produced which would (hopefully) satisfy everybody. How about we take all discussion of it off the NMS, and create a "private" discussion list. This could be as simple as the person in charge of it simply e-mailing people interested This being a public discussion mailing list, it is fair game for prying Federal eyes, but to intercept or read private mail, a search warrant and court order is necessary. Even if word of this got out, I doubt the authorities (or Rush for that matter) is really going to care about or go through the trouble of tracking down a couple hundred bootleg CDs prodiuced at no profit, especially when it is easier to go after people selling those 30-50 dollar bootlegs we all know about. Another advantage of taking the bootleg discussion off the NMS is that it changes the status of the CD from "the NMS bootleg" to a few friends privately arranging something. That way, the people who are opposed to this sort of thing will have nothing to complain about. You can be morally opposed to bootlegging, or not want it connected to the NMS, but once it is private, than it is of no concern to you. I have already gotten a private mailing from the person nominally in charge of the bootleg, so this person has the capability to send mass mailing to people interested and organizing it. In summary (for those who skipped over my post :-) - Take discussion of the boot off the NMS to private mail - Make the bootleg! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:54:11 -0500 From: Christopher Mermagen <cmermag@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Force 10 again <or something like that> Hey hey hey- About Force 10 - I would tend to agree with Tanya about them naming the song base on the scale used for rating storms (Beauford scale I guess is what she said). Also, aside from the references in the song, there is the concert video footage - with the tornados, etc.. Personally, I love this song - even moreso live with the extended bass diddy in the middle. It is a good opener to their concerts, and Ged does his usual powerful stuff when singing.. I also thought it interesting that Pye Dubois assisted with the lyrics, back again since Tom Sawyer... As Kwai Change Caine would here so many times... "Patience, Grasshopper.." which is what we should listen to while waiting for the next album, but I refuse to hold the hot pot between my forearms, thank you very much :p [ Did somebody watch the Kung Fu episode this week? :) : rush-mgr ] later- Chris I guess that's Kwai Chang Caine, not change, or plus a change: I am definately over my head here!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris W. Hope <art2cwh@cabell.vcu.edu> Subject: Metropolis Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:13:31 EST well we watched this movie in my art class last year and I am sorry to say that no music by Rush is in it. However Jon Anderson of Yes does write a few songs for the soundtrack. Anyways its a great film so check it out if you can. Chris -- ******************************************************************************* [][][] [] [] [][][] [] " Ouick to judge, quick to anger [] [] [] [] [] slow to understand. [] [] [] [][][] [][][] Ignorance, and prejudice, and fear [] [] [] [] [] [] walk hand in hand. " Neil [] [][][] [][][] [] [] Chris Hope art2cwh@cabell.vcu.edu ******************************************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:37:13 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: John Rutsey Hi all... Does anyone know how to reach John Rutsey? Do you think Anthem/SRO would forward a letter to him? Any info appreciated... THANKS Skip ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:10:52 PST From: mcg@roatan.island.COM (Matt McGlynn) Subject: Conversation with Larry Allen I'm a new subscriber, and having received exactly one issue of the NMS, I'll risk posting some info that might be common knowledge, although the source probably isn't. Also, apologies to readers of the drum/percussion mailing list, for whom this will be repetitive. A few months ago I happened to have a conversation with Larry Allen, who has been NP's drum tech just about forever. I asked if they have to buy gear any more, or if every vendor in the world gives them stuff because he's Neil Peart. The latter is in fact the case, although apparently NP isn't much for sucking up all that equipment. According to Larry, NP says "if they wanted to give us free gear, they should have been there when we were broke and paying cash for drum kits, during _Caress of Steel_ and _2112_." Even so, it's obvious Ludwig has some sort of deal with him, so I asked about it. The way I understand it, each year (/album/tour/?) when NP wants a new kit, he trades a photo of himself with his drums, for advertising purposes. One photo = one drum kit, spare shells, some hardware. Not a bad gig. There's a neat deal with -- hmmm, is it Pro-Mark? Whoever makes the "Signature series" sticks. Anyway, for the use of his name and signature, Pro-Mark provides all the sticks NP needs, and NP's share of the profits (some $ per gross sold) is donated to the American Cancer Society. -- matt mcglynn mcg@island.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:47:40 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: another great idea!...NMS petition drive for authorized "boots" Hi gang, What with all the moralizing going on here of late...I thought I'd snatch a possibility out of all the mayhem...to quote a fellow yesterday: >Perhaps a better way to direct this energy is to beg and plead with >Anthem >Entertainment Group to release some of this stuff. Well, the more I thought about this, the more I liked it: why not get a petition together for this!? RUSH has seemed to pay attention to petitions in the past! This would be a fun, harmless thing to do (and something nobody can morally object to...well, I'm sure some people would still find a way!). We could put together a nice petition saying something like: "We are your most loyal fans...and WE WANT TO HEAR MORE COOL STUFF!! Please give us a few soundboards (FOR OUR USE ONLY) of your best live stuff (we'll let YOU choose...but please include a Caress Of Steel show!). We really would like to hear rare live material, but we don't want to stoop to dishonoring you by purchasing bootlegs." I THINK THEY'D BE FLATTERED (and undoubtedly pleased with the classy way we carried it out!). 1500+ signatures is a fair amount!... The worst thing that could happen is that they'd ignore it...I think it'd be fun to throw this together!!! We'll have to be sure to make the petition a RESPECTFUL REQUEST however,,, What do you guys think? Skip ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathanel J. Barlow" <nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: The Who correction and Force Ten No flame here, but to Floyd F., the song you called "Teenage Wasteland" is actually called "Baba O'Reilly" (sp?). It's off the Who's Next album (1971), one of their best, IMHO. That is, unless there is some other Who song with very similar words that I don't know about. . . . Also, I have to say I like Tanya's explanation for the title "Force Ten" as relating to the Beaufort scale. Sounds like the best explanation so far to me. Nate ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:57:03 CST Subject: Comments and ?'s for guitarists From: pbryant@cs.ukans.edu! Personally, I have always thought Alex to be the premier rock guitar soloist. Many of his solos are very emotional and just seem to flow from inside him without any effort. So many solos today sound like they were created mathematically, usually in an effort to emulate classical music. Anyway, the question was which solos are we particularly fond of? Here's my favorites, roughly in order: 1 Xanadu (ESL) 6 No One at the Bridge 2 La Villa Strangiato (ESL) 7 Working Man 3 Broon's Bane 8 2112 - Overture, Soliloquy 4 Jacob's Ladder 9 Chemistry 5 Natural Science 10 Bravado I wonder what melodies or "licks" you all find especially pleasant? Here's a few of my favorites: 2112 - Solioquy (before the solo) The Fountain - part with flanger (chorus?) Territories - throughout the song Natural Science - "Wheels within wheels..." No One at the Bridge - all The Trees - droning part before the solo Xanadu - intro For the guitarists out there: You know how Alex often plays a "droning" part (Tom Sawyer - "What you say about his company...", Natural Science and The Trees (see above)), where he arpeggiates but plays the last note twice? Is there a name for that technique? I think that works incredibly well for building tension. What do you think? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:06:47 CST Subject: What makes Rush's music "different"? From: pbryant@cs.ukans.edu! This one's more for the general Rush fan. I wonder if anyone has any idea why some people think Rush's music is bad. I don't mean people who don't have a taste for it, but people who just think anything Rush does is awful. What sets their music apart from other groups, of whose music most people can find at least one song they like? A case in point - When I worked at the planetarium in Grand Rapids we did a Zepplin show. The director (who is about 50 yrs old and listens exlusivesly to classical) actually liked most of Zep's music. So did the others who worked there. But when I produced the Rush show they didn't like the music at all (except possibly Time Stand Still). Even the local newpaper critic (also ~50) liked the Zepplin music better than Rush. This just doesn't make sense to me. Zep was good, but I wouldn't consider their music appealing to a wide range of people. Does anyone have an idea what makes Rush's music different? Or is that just a silly philosophical question? Incidentally, they *did* admit that my laser patterns were better than the ones in the Zep show :) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Jan 93 01:17:56 EST From: Philip.S.Augur@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: What do you think? I just read Neil's response to the question "What is 'The Pass' about?" and so listened to the song again paying particular attention to the lyrics and a question came up in my mind: at 4:05 when they ask, "Christ, what have you done?" does anyone think that Peart was addressing Jesus and kind of questioning whether he really died for whatever reasons Christianity backs or rather that he kind of threw in the towel, a sort of suicide--or is it just used as an expletive (which seems too simple a thing for Peart to do, to me at least)? I'd like to hear some opinions on this. [ You might want to check out previous digests, we've had two discussions on this as far as I remember. Perhaps the FAQ has the exact issues? : rush-mgr ] Phil Baker the Candlestick Maker "See them bow their heads to die, as we would bow when they rode by." -- Neil Peart _Bastille Day_ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 07:04 GMT From: Cyber Surfer <cyber_surfer@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: possible future song theme An interesting question! > In any case, the quick end of WWII after Hiroshima/Nagaski perhaps > justified the work that the scientist in the Manhattan Project did Only maybe. Feyman himself doubted this, and states in one interview that he "simply forgot" the original reason for working on the MP, so that when the reason changed (Germany surrended), he and the others continued to work on the Project. Some historians believe that Japan would have surrended anyway, and wnated to, but America make a cultural misunderstanding by asking for *unconditional* surrender, which to the Japenese generals would have been a tremendous loss of face. How many understand that, even today? The Japenese themselves are losing the old values. Why not suppose that Neil writes a song about *that*? On the subject of the Zepplin influence, I noticed this years ago, but it's clearer these days as I listen to more Zep. A friend pointed out that the guitar riff at the beginning of Marrillion's Assassing has a strong Zep feel to it. The sound is totally different so you don't immediately think of Zep, but it's in the rhythum. -- Cyber Surfing on CIX -- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk (Graham James Reilly) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:55:37 GMT Subject: Re: Fav solos I find it more or less impossible to come up with a top 10 Alex solo list, but I do have a small list of favourites: No One At the Bridge 2112-Presentation La Villa Strangiato ( I've had a transcription of this for over a year now, and still can't play it) Limelight YYZ ( I'm slowly getting this one up to speed, but it involves a lot of strange finger formations and is mostly tapping - I can do the run at the end OK ) The Camera Eye Red Sector A ( just so full of energy - his chordy solo period ) Afterimage ( in the middle of learning to play this 'cos my band is covering it) Mission ( live ) The Pass ( this one sent shivers down my spine the first time I heard it, and it still does ), Bravado ( these last three are the most emotional pieces of guitar I have ever heard. Bravado has had me close to tears in the past) Ghost of a Chance ( suits the song so well - I can almost play all of this one ) And there you go. Dylan ( just sittin' here watchin' those crazy mushrooms grow ) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:16:05 GMT From: Russell Marks (Zgedneil) <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> Subject: Hemi Poster, and Thanks Well, about Hemispheres posters? I've got one. However, I have a niggling doubt whether it's official or not. Hey, don't go calling me a hypocrit, all I knew before I bought it was "Hemispheres poster 3'x2' - 2 pounds" so I bought it. I've also got an unofficial p/g (looks terrible, same reason), an official p/g (much better, bought after), and a rather natty rtb one. If anyone else has a Hemi poster, mine has the middle bit from the cover - with the businessman sort of 'cut and paste'd further up the brain to fit in the poster, so to speak. Many thanks to Dan and Rush-mgr for the diff file on the FAQL. Most helpful! Just a quick 'un, -Rus. ------------------------------- cut here ----------------------------- _ _ | | | |_ (|_ ) You have been watching, in order of appearance... | |_| _| (| |) Russell Marks : Zgedneil : mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk --- YYZ? Because YZ! RTB! --- ------------- One likes to believe in the spirit of email ------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:00 EST From: AAWST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu Subject: What else is there to talk about...? Just a few quick comments on our little project... - I'm all in favor of selling the disc (oops! The "project") at cost, too. If you want to raise the price a buck or two and give the profits to charity, that's what, $2000 max? If Rush really wants charity to get that money, they could donate 0.0000000001% of their income then. (I'm not harshing on them -- they do a lot as it is.) I'm just saying that that whole plan is something we're doing to try to make ourselves feel better about doing something we're not so sure is right. aka trying to ease our guilt. Using the project as a fundraiser ain't gonna legalize it. - Idea: if you're really worried about tracing this through e-mail, move conversations to snail mail! Last time I checked, the post office doesn't open every letter in an attempt to discover things like this, so you ought to be safe. - Matt, I _loved_ your "encounter" with Ged and Alex. I split my side laughing, especially the part about Geddy. Truly a classic. Well, I had more to say, and would have said this all more intelligently, but I had a huge exam this morning and my brain's fried. Later all! ---------------------- Al Wolf ----- AAWST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu P.S. I like all the hockey talk at the end, but all I have to say is that the Pens rule, period. Even with Lemieux, Barrasso, and Ulf sidelined. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:15:13 GMT From: 'Kemarin' <ma2paw@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> Subject: Posters Greetings all, my first post so don't tear it to pieces please. On the poster front, I've got one of the GUP cover. Don't know if it's, like, official, cos if I look closely I can see where sellotape was holding the words down when it was printed or whatever. Does this mean that somebody whipped in half an hour or is it something deep and meaningful by Rush that I haven't figured out yet? Probably the former. On a slightly different tack, are there many Rush badges around? I've got four, one that just says Rush (in wobbly letters) and three album covers, COS, 2112 and HYF. Are there more about? That's all for now, sorry there's no witty quote at the end, I'll try and come up with something soon. [ Please remember to keep your posts to < 80 characters/line! : rush-mgr ] Bye ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:39:19 -0500 From: meg (******* Meg *******) Subject: NMS Shirts! It seems that we've had our first contact from someone who saw a shirt someone was wearing. Whoever was at U of Minnesota eating lunch yesterday, this guy saw your shirt and mailed in for information, so you can be proud! :) I'm still taking orders for the NMS shirts; remember, all sizes are now available! If you're going to send in a check though, PLEASE be sure you have enough money in the account so we don't get it returned to us. We've gotten the second one back, and when I find out who he/she is there's gonna be hell. (The first person had the kind decency to let us know AHEAD of time that the check would bounce!) We get charged $3 every time a check bounces! If this keeps up I'm going to be forced into accepting only money orders. Anyways, if you'd like more information on the shirts, e-mail me at the address below. -Meg meg@syrinx.umd.edu ----------------------------------------------------------
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