The National Midnight Star #579

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'Daisy the Dog'?! fav drummers vibra-slap vs whipcrack on AFTK Neil's Drumming peart: anti-god? Freewill ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 19:04:42 -0500 From: Chad H Hutchinson <06819@brahms.udel.edu> Subject: Thanks and Gangster of Boats To the NMS mgr: Thank you so much for organizing the NMS so that all of the religion lettes are put at the end. Many of them are long winded and when you don't feel like reading them, it gets really boring waiting for them to end. Gangster of Boats: Yeah, I know "Part IV of the Trilogy", but what exactly does this mean? I've heard that there are three other references to the Gangster of Boats in reocrd liners or somewhere and the song is just a musical continuation. It any of this true? Because I've found one reference, I believe that it is in the liner notes inside Presto. SOmeone please enlighten me. If anyone has any of the following and would like to discuss them, E-mail me back at 06819@brahms.udel.edu (just call me 'Ghost') Max Webster - Greatest Hits The Big Prize - Honeymoon Suite (This Canadian group is well worth checking out. This particular album has a cover that was shot by Hugh Syme and has a kid on it that is the same kid as the kid on the cover of Power Windows. It was also released in 1985) "Crying Over You" and "Holy Water" by Platinum Blonde (This Canadian group of glammers included our own Alex Lifeson on the guitar solos for these two tunes) Shake Your Spirit - Frozen Ghost (Yet another Canadian band. They borrowed a bird cage from Geddy for the cover) Champions - Jeff Berlin (Neil trades drumming with Stewart Copeland throughout the album) Aural Fixations - Kim MItchell (Great new disc from the Canadian legend) "That's the way that Lady Luck dances" (GET BUSY) --Ghost ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jeremy@brick.purchase.edu (Jeremy Goldberg Consultant) Subject: Immaterial Issues Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 20:08:51 EST HEREIN, a break from the religion issue: I think a little wordplay is relevant to the Rush Mailing list, considering the lyricist's fetish for such things! Has no one picked up on the little games I've interjected into my posts? Didn't you find a post by Felix A. Salon a bit odd? How about one signed 'Sell the Broon'? Well. . . Here's one last chance at proving your cleverness. If none of you have the wits to solve this one, I'll forget about this mailing list completely -- and go watch that movie about the Passage to Bangkok, YYZ, and those Red Barchettas. . . Humour me, lads and ladies. 'Tis many months until the fifteenth album arrives! --Jeremy Goldberg The Holidays are coming! or Mail me for trading: boy-mgr Ged Lee, Jr. . ? Rarities and Oddities, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Halsey <rhalse20@ursa.Calvin.EDU> Subject: Misc. Stuff Hello fellow Rushians... I have a couple things on my mind. First of all, I went to see the laser light show "A Laser Rush" about 2 weeks ago, and it was most excellent. The oscilloscope patterns for "Spirit of Radio" and "Time Stand Still" were reason enough to put down the measly four dollar admission price. Secondly, I would like to suggest an opening band for Rush's next tour. I went this last weekend to hear a band called Rhythm Corps. These guys put on the absolute *best* concert that I have ever seen, although I have never seen Rush live :-(. Their music has a unique style that incorporates awesome vocals with a most bitchin' 12-string acoustic guitar and also all of the other instruments (minus the keyboards). I think that they would be the perfect complement to a Rush show. Favorite bands of all time: 5. Yes 4. NightRanger 3. White Heart (it's that darn Christian influence again :-) 2. Rush *and my all time favorite band is... 1. Kansas. Later, all... * rhalse20@calvin.edu is...* -OVERHEARD AND QUOTABLE- * "So get out there Rob Halsey (A.K.A. Trebor) * "Bend over, bend over, * and rock, and Calvin College Phi 33 * 'cuz "Slick Willie" is * ROLL THE BONES!" Grand Rapids, MI 49546 * takin' over!!!" * -Rush ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 00:00:08 -0500 From: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari) Subject: Neil's playing mood...and PLEASE HELP!! >of his sticks really high. It came down, but he missed it >and dropped it. He got another one, but he was steamin' >I mean really pissed!!! The rest of the night he had a >frown on his face. I was kinda bummin' because I >hope that the guys hvave just as much of a good time >playing as I have watching.. I could care less that he >dropped the stick, but I like to see all three of them >partake of their antics on stage.. I agree. I was lucky enough to be at the last show of the tour in Chicago with 16th row seats. Neil had a great time that night. Neil usually doesn't smile too much anyway, but this time he rarely WAS'NT smiling. This was the funniest show I've seen as far as antics go. The stage crew kept dangling these big rubber bats and spiders from the light...right in front of the boyz while they were playing!! It was so damn funny...Alex bit his!!! But back to Neil, he couldn't walk away from the bats like Ged and Al could, so the crew picked on him the most!! You should have seen him there, drumming away helplessly, with this BIG rubber bat dancing an inch from his nose!!! It was hilarious!!! He was smiling ear to ear!! :-) Plus, the ultimate stunt was when he stood up and whipped off his bandana to reveal his mohawk....that surprised even Ged and Al, who stood there laughing and pointing at him. Neil was laughing out loud....too bad he wasn't in such a good mood at the show you saw. On another note, and sorry for the lack of Rush in this...but will the people in Columbus, Ohio, PLEASE email me and tell me where I can dial into down there to telnet up to my account here in Cleveland?? Any internet node will do. I'll be going home to Columbus for Christmas break and HAVE to have access. Thank you in advance. My parents would probably be upset if I dialed up long distance :-) :-) Dream Rush.... Nick -- |~~~\ | | /~~~\ | | Nick Mascari - CWRU - General Electric Lighting |___/ | | \__ |____| "Time after time we lose sight of the way, | \ | | \ | | our causes can't see their effects" -Neil Peart | \ \__/ \___/ | | Music by Lee and Lifeson, Lyrics by Peart ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Dec 92 23:12:06 EST From: "Cygnus X-2 (Gerry Good)" <J455%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> Subject: MTV, help me find shoe stores! Hi NMSers, 1. I have noticed some discussion about MTV here lately. I personally dislike the whole idea of MTV. The only reason I ever watch it is because Liquid TV is on. I guess I've pretty much felt this way since high school when I was into punk rock. MTV basically tells you what you should be, who you should idolize, what is cool, etc. instead of forcing you to decide for yourself what you should be like. This in relation to Ru sh (yes, this is going somewhere!) goes totally against their philosophy, especially as seen in Freewill, and many other songs. I also don't think that music of the caliber of Rush's needs 'video augmentation'. What I mean is that you don't need a bunch of pictures to go along with the song, they totally ruin your connotation of what a song is about. I'm not talking about live videos however. Anyway, just thought I'd donate my $.02. 2. I'd like some help finding some music stores that sell Rush boots. There are many that I would like to buy but I don't feel comfortable ordering stuff from Germany. Also I'd like to find the cheapest price possible. I go to school in NE Missouri, and I live in Madison, WI , so either of those two places would be great. If you know of a store in any of the following places: Columbia MO, St. Louis MO, Iowa City IA, Quad Cities IA, Rockford IL, Chicago, or Milwaukee, please let me know their name and Phone # if possible. A million thanks to anyone who can help me out. Happy Finals Week! Gerry Good P.S. Stores that sell Yes bootlegs would also be nice. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 00:24:14 -0700 From: I Fell In Love To Be Let Down <wilsonp@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Other favorite bands I have to say that the whole 2nd (and 3rd, and 4th, and 5th...) thread is very interesting, and I hope that anyone who hasn't responded does so. Since I haven't posted my list, I'll do so now...and I'll even go so far as to include some reasons for my choices. 1) Rush -- the obvious ;) 2) Saigon Kick -- now here's a surprise. These guys just amaze me...they explore a broad range of styles, and are one of the most unique bands playing. 3) Extreme -- they also play a broad range of music, and have some great lyrics as well as great musicianship. 4) NEW Marillion -- This is about the only band I feel can compare to Rush in terms of lyrics. 5) A whole mess of stuff....everything from Queensryche and Dream Theater to Tyketto and Def Leppard to Asia, Journey, and Bryan Adams, to Wang Chung :) Ok, I know we only asked for 2nd favorites originally, but I must say that I'm VERY interested in seeing just who everyone else out there likes. It's always great to be turned on to new music, and I can't think of anyone I'd rather be enlightenened by than fellow Rush fans. As for the whole Rush/Religion discussion, I can say that I enjoy the posts, just wish they weren't so long. I am a Christian, but I'd say I feel a bit differently than most of the Christians on this list. Mail me if you are interested. One short, final note...Presto is my favorite Rush album, so go easy on the criticism, ok guys? Please? :) I for one think Roll the Bones was quite disappointing...am I alone in this? :) Phil wilsonp@ucsu.colorado.edu "Trust is just as rare as devotion" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: u9031278@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: dream theatre and rush Date: Wed, 09 Dec 92 13:14:19 GMT I heard about dream theatre about 4 years ago, there was a review of their first album in kerrang (which praised it quite highly).I did'nt bother about it at first but i later saw the same review in the magazine/fanzine the spirit of rush (gets a credit on images and words!) and then bought it. Musically the band are excellent however for me are just too much on the heavy side to listen to all the time, and their choice of singers leaves a bit to be desired. However as for sounding like rush , well i can't see it , to me they sound nothing like them, they are much more like early yes (fragile/relayer) with too much use of a distortion/heavy metal pedal!.I know some people might say yes and rush sound similar but again i disagree, i like both bands but can't see many similarities between them . So for me saying that images and words sounds like power windows is probably as strange as saying it sounds like dangerous ,but then again some people might agree with that!!!!????. byee ruairi ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 13:44:42 GMT From: Russell Marks (Zgedneil) <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> Subject: Drums, Discs and Things Hello again people, welcome to *yet another* Rush ramble by me. I'll get this bit out the way quick. Since someone brought up fave drummers, I thought I'd mention that one of my friends, Adrian, is a - rather good it seems - drummer and a total Rush fan. He simply cannot believe what Neil does most of the time on that monster kit. Anyhow, he sometimes buys albums just to hear the drumming (!) and I seem to remember he likes drums on Metallica, Primus, and Slayer. Slayer less so, I think. Just as well IMHO! Sorry I can only half-remember the drummer's names so I haven't said them, I expect I'd get them wrong! Right, back to Rush... And, about the rarity of original LPs. Well, I know that mine aren't actually originals, but the 'original' gatefold versions of earlier LPs are still fairly widely available. I think CoS is a bit hard to get hold of. I saw it once and didn't have the money. You bet I kicked myself. I do have 2112 up to Hemispheres though, and Archives which obviously is only available like that, I didn't have much problem getting hold of them. I believe the original "Rush" album is very rare indeed. Only about 2000 copies or something like that? Nowadays I get albums on tape. The reason: I bought Presto on LP... and the quality was *terrible*. They'd really recorded too much material to comfortably go on side 1. In the notes they say something like play side one louder. You have to, as well - I got it on tape soon after, much much better. Actually I have 3 copies of Presto, but that's another story! The RTB record is a bit dodgy, but better. So - these two are definitely available on LP, I can confirm. I think the Next Album won't be, though. Ah, did someone ask about will Rush do another album etc? They're contracted for one more with Atlantic, and will probably stay with them for a few more, they don't hate each other yet right! Mmmm, about YYZ being the code for Toronto airport. Surely a coincedence! ;-) Another less sarcastic YYZ thing, though, I DO like that Why Why Zen, that is brilliant. Maybe I should change my sig. As good as that more recent instrumental, "Dares By Twing?", fourth part of the Gangrine of Oats trilogy. I like "bathysphere" too; but would does one do with a bathysphere apart from stick it in deep water? Not much room for Free Will there methinks. Recording quality again, about having to turn the treble *down* for Rush recordings after ASOH? I find those recordings much bassier (so to speak) than others such as, well, Permanent Waves. No real reason for that example, just listening to it at the mo. I usually turn the treble up though - so I can hear Ged's bass :-) - and I may be less likely to notice increased treble. I think soundwise... PoW beats RTB and Presto, but RTB is better than HYF. I really do think PoW, PeW and MP have the most appropriate production sound to them. A point I'd really like to raise though (this is a bit kind of in the dark here), I know people have said Where's My Thing? is very different from YYZ, but I think in several respects they are quite similar. The fast complicated verse, keyboardy chorus, several drum fills and a few flashy bass bits - anybody agree/disagree? Face it, I'd imagine most of you have to do one or the other... Last thing, anyone any idea how much my Subdivisions (Red Barchetta from ESL as B-side) picture disc 45" is worth? I got it for one pound. That's about $1.6 in NMS-relevant format I guess. And my Power Windows LP picture disc? Cost me about 8.5 pounds, so not such a bargain. I think I saw a Hemispheres piccy disc once, but very expensive - I could be wrong, though. This is probably my last post till January (holidays and all that) so I'll say bye-bye for now, and have a happy December. There's a religion-independent statement for you. #include <religion.h> you might say. Enough of this rubbish! Have fun. -Rus. ------------------------------- cut here ----------------------------- _ _ | | | |_ (|_ ) You have been watching, in order of appearance... | |_| _| (| |) Russell Marks : Zgedneil : mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk --- YYZ? Because YZ! RTB! --- ------------- One likes to believe in the spirit of email ------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 09:40:22 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: tapes & misquotes Hey there! I recently heard that two shows are floating around out there: Largo,MD 12/4/91 Columbia,MD 6/16/92 I would really LOVE to get copies of these since I was at them (I met Geddy and Alex right before the Largo show!)! Does anyone who has these two shows maybe wanna trade!?.... Also, I like the new thread about what people THOUGHT Geddy was singing when they heard a tune the first few times (Aaron...are you out there?!)...a friend of mind told me a few of his interpretations: The Twilight Zone: "A bloody space man steps up to greet you..." You Bet Your Life: "like Captain Lorraine..." The Necromancer: "Hooray for the Necromancer..." That's all I can remember for now...I like this thread! It's funny and not so bloody serious! Skip ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis Williams" <F1TRAVIS@ILSTU.BITNET> Subject: Drummers...a slight rebuttal Date: 09 DEC 1992 09:10 -00 I was reading Graham's post and thought that I should say a few words. I have been drumming now for about 13 years (insert personal plug...) and feel that I have at least some knowledge of drummers. I agree with Graham in some ways, but don't in other ways. I do feel that it is arrogant (to say the least) that Neil Peart is the best drummer in the world. There are probably drummers out there that didn't get into the limelight (insert bad Rush plug...) that are as good as Neil and many of the other drummers he mentioned. One thing that I disagree with is that Neil's development has been almost exclusively in the Rock genre. Listen to La Villa and then rethink. It may be Jazz with a rock twist, but that's not ROCK drumming that we here through many of the movements! If you want to call Neil a completely Rock oriented drummer, what do you call Tommy Aldridge (Whitesnake) or Tommy Lee (everyone knows anyway)? Neil plays the marimba, glokenspiel and chimes through his midi KAT (insert a bit of orchestral background) and plays marching rhythms in several songs as well (insert drum corp influence). He based the rhythms for Scars and probably Territories on AFricans rhythms that he heard on one of his many trips to Africa (or so it has been written.) Not to mention the drum part to Tai Shan which is (IMHO) not rock. So, okay, most of the time he plays rock, but the man is incredibly flexible to other styles of music. As he said (not word for word, sorry) in the Presto tour book, we like to dabble in many types of music, but rock is our favorite. There shouldn't be anything wrong with that. Now, I'll get to the part that I agree with. There are definitely drummers out there that are as good as Neil, although I usually refrain from using as good because it's a very subjective term and many times it's very hard to compare drumming styles. Frank Zappa's drummers are some of the greatest drummers in the world. (oops...there's that phrase again...) Terry Bozzio, Chad Wackerman, Chester Thompson, and Vinnie Coliuta (spelled wrong, I'm sure). His music is just too challenging for a drummer like Tommy Lee (although, I suppose Tommy might have boundless talent hidden beneath that one drum part he plays so well.) But since this is a Rush list, I'll get back to the point. If people think that Neil is the best drummer in the world, they have that perogative. Neil was heavily influence by Bill Bruford of King Crimson and Yes. Does that make him any better? I don't know. They're both much better than I am. Just think of it this way. ANy drummer who tours for twenty years, usually playing about 200 shows for each tour is bound to be damn good. Who's BEST should be left up to personal disgression. Oops. I rambled didn't I? Sorry. I'm about to leave for Christmas break, so I'm not really in my right mind. I'm not flaming you, Graham, just responding. Later all. Trav. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Cristobal Weinholz <cw001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: assorted junk Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 11:27:04 EST Graham--->Neil played drums in a Buddy Rich tribute band and was also the drummer on a Jeff Berlin album (not sure which one). I think he's probably very capable of playing jazz drums, although I agree that there are jazz drummers who rival his abilities. I heard about Dream Theatre in "The Spirit of Rush" when their first album came out. One of the band memebers wrote in, so I figured "Hey, they must be good," and bought the album (on vinyl!). The new album is GREAT and I've been listening to it a lot lately. The Rush and religion thread is a good one, but it seems to be bordering on preaching in some cases. Jimmy swaggart, eat your heart out:)) Having a rarities CD would be better, but seeing as how a tape would be easier and cheaper to produce, I think we should go with it. How about one (or two) tapes rare and one (or two) tapes incredible and rare live? Can't wait to get back to the dorm to get around to ordering the shirt...oh boy! Other favorite bands (in no particular order - depends on my mood) King Crimson, Yes, ELP, Dream Theater, Queen, Earthworks, Jethro Tull, Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Genesis, Peter Gabriel --Chris ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 09:23:02 -0600 From: "This ..." <michael@morgana.pubserv.com> Subject: Mardi Gras There has been some discussion about unreleased material, and since I have Mardi Gras, I thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in. This is the only one I have from the last tour so I can't compare to OTE or any other, but I'm happy with Mardi Gras. When the band is playing, the music virtually drowns out all the crowd noise. The guy who recorded this, must have been very close to the stage. The percussion is a little too pronounced, and the guitar is a little too distant. The set-list is from the first leg of the tour (Subdivsions, The Pass), but after they added Ghost of a Chance, but does not have the encore. It comes in a 2-cd set, with a photo on the front from the Presto tour, and it is an Australian import so there are a couple of dumb listings for the song-list (The Pass =The Task Rhythm is spelled Rhythem, Heart is spelled Hart). But overall I would recommend it. It seems that everyone thinks that OTE is the best that is avaiable. Does it have the whole show? Which set-list does it have? I've been looking for it for quite a while now, but can't find it, can anyone help me either mail-order it, or tell me of a place in the Chicago area which has it. Thanks --Mike michael@pubserv.com ---------------------------------------------------------- From: frick@cs.utexas.edu (Baltasar Allende Reva) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 10:44:23 -0600 Subject: TMNS CD/Tape Update #6 Hi everyone....Its been a long time since the last update, but I think some progress has occured....so here it is... TNMS CD update #6 ----------------- By now there is no question about the interest of a CD/Tape of rare and unreleased music, and GOOD quality uncirculated shows. I have lately been talking to another TNMS reader that lives in San Antonio, apparently he has access to alot of MOST EXCELLENT equipment. I have family in San Antonio, and I'm thinking about spending my winter break there "mastering" and putting together this thing. For some reason its hard to communicate with him thru mail..so if you are readinf this e-mail me back! I already have some material on my mind, that I'm sure everyone would be delighted to get their hands on...Anyways, the thing is alive and kicking... so please be patient! later everyone.... Albert ps. I'm thinking about setting up a 24hr Bulletin Board, what do you all think about this? Ofcourse this would be a Rush board...let me know if there is interest on this... albert ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 16:40:00 +0000 From: "Oliver (O.R.) Sampson" <olsam@bnr.ca> Subject: re:12/08/92 - The National Midnight Star #578 This is my first post. I'm enjoying the religion thread immensely. It's touching on a lot of topics I ponder regularly. Anybody out there more familiar with the philosopical relationships? (Specifically ethics and more specifically Kantian ethics) How about the mathematics of Chaos and their relationship to determinism? And just for info, I listen (religously :) ) to the following: Rush, Queensryche, Mr. Big, Dream Theater, Metallica. I also listen to LOTS of other stuff, but those guys stand out. Also, I'm a bass player living in Raleigh, NC. (despite the '.ca' in my address.) Oliver ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Oliver R. Sampson Member Scientific Staff BNR, Inc. olsam@bnr.ca "All opinions expressed here are the opinions solely of the author, and they are in no way a reflection of opinions or policies of BNR, Inc. or Northern Telecom." -- The boss says I have to put this in here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 12:48:18 EST From: Stimpy <DSMCCONN@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: Neil & drums! Hey finally, a (fairly) serious discussion of drums on here! Myself being a drummer of 13 yrs and RUSH/Neil fan for @ 6 yrs. As far as the clapper, no i think he used the plywood on stool for YYZ. As for the vibra-slap mentioned on AFTK, this is not the clapper, but an interesting device that when slapped vibrates with a clicking sound for a few seconds. This sound can be found in Closer to the Heart, on the first downbeat of several measures in the guitar solo and perhaps elsewhere. As for Neil being more traditional than innovative, well, you're correct in your statements that he does use "traditional" percussion instruments, but really, how many rock drummers out there use such toys in rock (e.g. vibra-slap, orchestra chimes, windchimes, crotales, temple blocks, tympani, glockenspiel, just to name a few). Also, increasing his double-bass work would not nec. make his drumming modern. Guys have used the double-bass since the early 70's, its nothing new, granted that only recently have we seen many drummers using lots of double-bass rhythms, but this is mainly for metal, RUSH does not exactly fit into this domain. Neil's use of the double-bass is mainly for adding to his fills and solos, not for creating different rhythms like Lars of Metallica (don't get me wrong, I love Lars's playing). It should be apparent that Neil's tastes in rhythm are more on the side of primitive pattern and ethnic, tribal music (see Scars, Mystic Rhythms, Heresy) and are quite far from the non-stop head- banging beats if Metallica and Megadeth. well, thats enuff, I'll just close with a brief list of my fav drummers (we could do a list of favorite drummers, guitar, and bassists just like the second favorite band thread...) --> Lars Ulrich, John Bonham, Mitch Mitchell (hendrix), Vinnie Colaiuta (on Zappa's Shut up and play yer guitar), and Nick Mason (esp. the early Floyd of Meddle and Piper and Saucerful), and of course, Neil. dan ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 11:04:57 -0800 From: J. Q. Gumby <daye@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU> Subject: 'Daisy the Dog'?! I actually took a look at the sleeve for PeW the other day and was reading though the credits and came across something that looked like this: "Vocal Coaching: Daisy the Dog" Anyone know who/what "Daisy" was? I realize that chances are Daisy is a dead dog by now, 13 years after the issue of the album. Heck, I was 5 when it cam out. [ Perhaps the same dog featured later on _Signals_? :) : rush-mgr] Just something that struck me as odd... -JQG ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 09:10:14 HST From: puanani@wana.pbrc.Hawaii.Edu (Puanani Akaka) Subject: fav drummers Jello -- I'm surprised no one's mentioned Manu Katche. He's definitely up there with Neil on my fav drummers list. Manu is just absolutely beautiful to listen to. Check him out on Peter Gabriel's albums and Sting's later releases. Awesome. Also, Rod Morgenstein and Greg Bissonette (such a sweet guy -- he gave me a kiss! sigh) -- beautiful technique and artistry with those guys. And yeah, I agree whole- heartedly with folks who've said that jazz is what to listen to. Jazz drummers like Dave Weckl (another sweetie!), David Garibaldi, Peter Erskine, Max Roach -- all wonderful players -- gotta listen to 'em! The thing about Neil, tho, is that, unlike other players, he makes it sound easy. I mean, I don't know if others have this experience, but he makes it sound like any idiot could pick up a pair of sticks and do what he does. So like a fool, you end up taking the bait and get your behind burned! And there's a lot of subtleties to his playing that a lot of rock drummers, especially, don't put into their playing. Stuff like changing the ride pattern in the middle of the song, using Rod Morgenstein's ghost notes, I could go on. But his power and grace are extremely inspiring -- at the concerts it becomes like a sporting event. I'm *cheering* for the guy, like he's in a race, or something. It's like, "Yeah! Go Neil! Go get 'em, babe!!" :-) He's not the greatest drummer in the world, but he's certainly got what it takes to be an artist. That's all that counts. puanani ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 13:53:42 -0600 From: r-howerton@uiuc.edu Subject: vibra-slap vs whipcrack on AFTK Someone yesterday mentioned Neil's use of a vibra slap on AFTK and said it was the same as a slapper or whipcrack or whatever. This isn't true. A vibra slap is something else altogether (I used to play one [and a whipcrack] in high school band--God, it seems like eons ago). A vibra slap is a wooden and metal device that makes o sort of rattling (for lack of a better word) sound when you slap it against your hand o leg or whatever. It can be heard on Closer to the Heart on the first beat of each phrase during Alex's guitar solo. Any of you real drummers out there, feel free to correct me or elaborate. Robert ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 15:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Joseph Desantis <md4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Neil's Drumming There have been many posts recently that seem to "worship" Neil's drumming... Here is how I see it. Neil's drumming is the perfect complement to Geddy and Alex. Geddy's snappy bass pops are always perfectly in sync with Neil's fills. Alex's licks tend to "gel" the entire sound together... They are the perfect combination... But to say that Neil is, "The best drummer in the world," or "Nobody can drum like Neil..." is unaware...uninformed, and it reveals extreme closed-mindedness on the part of those who make statements like this. We all appreciate a great band here... This appreciation should make us all the more aware of the talent that is out there. I know people who can robotically mimic Neil's style. Drummers for Zappa, and Chick Corea, play even more complex rhythms and odd-time signatures... Zappa's drummer in 1981 (Along w/ steve Vai on guitar) was a MONSTER... I like Neil, his drumming, and some of his writing, but I will not let my devotion to this band blind me from all the drummers of different styles and abilities. Copeland, drummer for the Police, was very minimalistic..., but that's some of the best damn drumming to come to the mainstream in a while. Don't let Neil's "crowded" drum fills fool you... There is also something to be said for minimalistic drumming... There is a certain genius there, too Feel free to flame, but I really don't think this is an inflammatory post... Matt (10 Year rush fan) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 14:08:33 -0600 From: "Peter J. Schmitt" <pjs41362@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: peart: anti-god? although i usually avoid religious disputes, especially on irc or email things like this, i felt compelled to respond to the idea that peart (or at least his lyrics) are anti-god, esp. in the Free Will quote.... i think he is not anti-god, but anti-Church. he criticizes the wrong- doings and abuses of power in the Church in lines like "a host of Holy Horrors to direct our aimless dance." Is this anti-god? no, actually peart bitches about the Church trying to run lives through fear of hell. Although i am catholic, i have to laugh at some of the Church's historical blunders....After all, they decided to kill several thousand people in the name of God (well, the "holy" crusades or wars.) And for those who have ever heard of purgatory, it is an idea that does not exist in the bible. Rather, popes in the middle ages promulgated it in order to rake up revenue from the masses. is it anti-god to criticize the Church? no. Look to another complaints by peart.... "superconducter" seems to decry the pop culture and media packaging an idiotic andre agassi "image is everything" to sell a record. is this anti- music? no, i think peart is against the mindless use of rock solely to make a buck. in "subdivisions," peart notes the shortcomings of society, as in cliques and belonging. is this anti-human life? no, here peart is against people fall "falling in ticking traps" and leading meaningless lives, and such. i hate to take up so much time and space, but people must think a little harder about this topic. "there is magic at our fingers" pete schmitt pjs41362@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "let your heart be the anchor and the beat of your soul." SFN/2112 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 17:05 EST From: THE ARCHER <JJARNOT1%ITHACA.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Freewill Hello there!!! Just adding my 2 cents on Freewill lyric mishaps: I was in a Rush cover bbband for a while, and I had the illustrious job of figuring out what the heck Geddy was saying sometimes since I didn't have enough money to bbuy something with the words in it. For the longest time I had to sing the ..Cell of awareness part on Freewill as a bunch of misconnected syllables because I had no clue what he was screeching!!! Then I got some money and all was well in the land of Rush lyrics!! SAM ----------------------------------------------------------
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