The National Midnight Star #561

From root Mon Nov 16 03:39 1992 Received: by wake.ncsl.nist.gov (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA01970; Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:39:05 Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA13277; Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:30:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:30:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9211182330.AA13277@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 11/18/92 - The National Midnight Star #561 Status: R
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Rumors Album side / Theory Was the dog pushed...or is alex a singer ? Rare CD's Re: 11/17/92 - The National Midnight Star #560 A few things... Alex takes a ride... ASoH and NMS T-shirt T-Shirts (quote?) Story title: "How to Apply Heavy Makeup" by K. Khan Gold CD Serengeti night NMS T-shirts ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jewright@mtu.edu (JASON WRIGHT) Subject: Various ramblings Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:15:11 EST Howdy... Plenty of other people have already said what I feel about the post on Neil's alledged sojourn to a gay bar, so I will no bother to repeat it... Having said that...ENOUGH XANADU!! Take it to private email...Please! Where was I?? Oh yeah...People have been talking Dream Theater around her as of late, so I thought that I'd mention that I posted the lyrics to their latest album _Images and Words_ to the lyrics FTP server at ftp.uwp.edu. If I am not mistaken, the path is pub/music/lyrics/d/dream.theater/images.and.words, though I am not positive. If you don't know much about the band, grab these lyrics, they're pretty cool. Hey...To you IRC people: I'm an old timer from back when there was still a channel called +Rush (now there's a blast from the past, eh?). Anyways, I don't hang around on #p/g! for my own reasons, but look me up sometime...The nick's Pwe. -PeeWee PeeWee's 1st rule of integration: When all else fails, get a bigger hammer! What crawls on maggots when they die? Email: jewright@mtu.edu Phone: (313) 656-0900 Math undergrad - Michigan Technological University "The worst sex I ever had was still pretty good." -Woody Allen ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:19:44 -0600 From: Darrell Wiatrowski <chainsaw@camelot.bradley.edu> I'm new on this system so please forgive me if these topics have already been discussed. I have a few questions. Anyone who saw the closing show of RTB tour(what a show!) saw Neil throw off his bandana in the finale to reveal a mohawk shaved in his head. Well, I've heard rumors that he might have Leukemia and seeing his shaved head supported those rumors. Has anyone heard anything similar? Maybe he lost a bet or something, I don't know. Anyway, a few other questions: Who's the voice heard in Subdivisions? How about on Superconductor? Does anyone have any info or even heard of the album 'Stellar Dynamics'? I haven't seen anything written about it, and I was wondering if it actually existed or if it's just another rumor. Well, that's it. Thanks. Darrell (chainsaw@camelot.bradley.edu) (don't let the login scare you, I'm really a nice guy) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:27:21 -0500 From: "Brian J. Colby" <xanadu@cis.umassd.edu> Subject: Monkey Business with Neil Sorry I haven't posted in quite some time, but this "Neil Peart is Gay" thread is unneccesary, not worth a squirrel pellet in a box of Whitman Chocolates, and is *none* of anyone's business. And to those people who like to take unsubstantiated rumors as hardcore fact, think about this: why cause a stir that would cause chaos? If someone is rumored to be (fill in the blank), then you got to get the facts (no Rush quote intended.), and not try to fiddle around with other's minds. Other than that, sorry for the misc. 1/4 non-Rush rambling. Brian (xanadu@cis.umassd.edu) P.s. I liked the discussions about Xanadu (S.T. Coleridge). ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Holdsworth <dholdswo@physics.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Neil gay Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:34:28 CST I've never felt the need to submit an article to the NMS before now, as most of the threads seem to be about interpreting lyrics and so forth. I really like Rush for their music, and enjoy this newsletter as it expands my understanding of their (or Neil's) lyrics and beliefs. But this business about Neil "possibly" being gay has really started to annoy me. Especially as, being part of the REM mail group, I've been putting up with insinuations of Michael Stipe's "alleged" homosexuality also. Personally, I couldn't care less if they are gay. It doesn't change them or their music in any way. If it changes your feelings, then it is YOUR problem, not Neil's or Michael's. Someone said something about being "gay" and being "normal". What is normal? And also, why do people feel the need to say "I'm straight, but......." to defend the possibly of Neil being gay. Everyone knows what you are really saying! Anyhow, enough! I am not getting my point across too well, so I'll refrain. Until Neil and Neil himself says "yay" or "nay", you can only speculate, and speculation is but hot air. *************************************************************************** Dave Holdsworth <dholdswo@physics.adelaide.edu.au> Dept Phys. & Math Phys. , University of Adelaide, S.A., Australia ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:14:51 -0500 From: rmg2@cornell.edu Subject: shirt lyrics How about something from HYF for the T-shirts. This is my suggestion: "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission..." Ross Goldstein Cornell U. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:18:46 EST From: "Jason McNamara, UCS PCF Consultant" <JMCNAMAR@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: counting Zs <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> said that Caress of Steel was the album with the most frequent occurance of the letter 'Z.' But if repetition is allowed, then wouldn't g/p be #1, since it includes _The Body Electric_, with the refrain: 1001001 (aka one Zero Zero one Zero Zero one, etc) just wondering, Jason McNamara jmcnamar@indiana jmcnamar@ucs.indiana.edu Russian and East European Inst & Univ Computing Services, Indiana University (insert favorite Rush quote here) ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Alan Oddo <jeremy@ecst.csuchico.edu> Subject: Boot CD and shirt Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:36:11 PST First of all-- I'd love to have a Boot RUSH CD of _rare_ songs. Live songs are OK if they aren't heard live often (ie: Natural Science). Personally, I'd like to hear stuff that you can't find easy, like; Neil's NEW drum solo from RTB, sound check stuff, Take Off, etc. You know, the stuff you can't find on albums. I would definitely buy a CD like that--maybe several (great Christmas gifts!) Second, the shirt sounds good too. I vote for the aqua blue color or perhaps grey. Plus, a great quote or pic would make the shirt that much better. Keep us posted on Footware CD and shirts--I'll take 'em both! BTW, my friend DJs at a nearby radio station. He let me guest host a RUSH block. Three hours _stright_ of RUSH, RUSH, and more RUSH!! Why can't all radio stations do that! Jer P.S. Did someone say something about a Genesis digest?? [ Please use EMAIL responses to this -- also if anyone ever has a question about where another mailing list is, don't hesitate to mail to me; I have an up-to-date listing of all the mailing lists running. : rush-mgr ] ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:21:13 EST From: Mike <MWEINTR@american.edu> Subject: okay, now everybody take out _RTB_... Rushians, Listening to RTB earlier this evening, I noticed something *very* peculiar in the graphics on the back cover of the booklet (you know, the cool wishbone-over water thing)... If you rotate the booklet's picture such that the bottom of the picture is now on the right (counterclockwise), and look at the clouds at the (now side) (but the former) top of the picture, there is a mass of darker clouds that can be percieved (sp?) as a hand and thumb hitching a ride/ thumbing a ride... Let me know what you think... Also, to clarify something about Dream Theater's show's, they will be in DC again on the 10th of December (at the Bayou) and in Baltimore on the 19th (at Hammerjacks).. Check 'em out! Slainte mhath, Mike p.s. I don't care if Neil is gay or not, neither should you. Mike Weintraub (aka Jvi on IRC) mweintr@american.edu The American University, Washington, DC "Courageous convictions will drag the dream into existence" 1-0-0-1-0-0-1 SOS -- Rush "Vital Signs" --.- --.- --.. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:26:39 -0500 From: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari) Subject: Rush influenced bands >Fates Warning is another semi-obscure band with major Rush influence, >they are more of a cross between Rush and Queensryche. Other than the >opera trained singer (Ray Alder), they have a fantastic drummer (Mark >Zonder) who takes Peart's influence and builds on it in some very >interesting ways. Also, another interesting fact about Fates Warning: I'm not sure about their later album, but Parallels is produced by none other than Terry Brown!! About Dream Theatre: does ANYBODY out there have the first album?? I know it's out of print, so it is rare, but I would love a copy if someone has it. Please email me at nam2@po.CWRU.Edu if you have it. Thanks... Also back to Rush....someone posted that there is a face hidden in the nude guy's right shoulder on the cover of Hemispheres and the inside of E..SL. Well obviously I grabbed my CDs to look for this mystery. Sorry, _I_ don't see any- thing....perhaps you could enlighten us with a few more details?..... One thing I DID notice, the guy looks a lot like Neil, although I'm sure this was unintentional. (HEY!! ITS PROOF HE'S GAY!!! HAHAHA!!! Just kidding people lighten up....) Really hoping that there will be an NMS convention.... Nick -- |~~~\ | | /~~~\ | | Nick Mascari - Case Western Reserve University |___/ | | \__ |____| General Electric Lighting | \ | | \ | | "All life is future to past, Every breath leaves | \ \__/ \___/ | | me one less to my last." -Dream Theatre ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jeremy@brick.purchase.edu (Jeremy Goldberg Consultant) Subject: And WHAT have we learned...? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:53:14 EST THANK YOU to all of the people who defended the nature of this newsletter. I'm sure many of us (myself incl.) posted our specific & personal views over quality & trust ON OUR OWN. Our individual opinions merged in issue #560, and there's a real concern in there; a community of (mostly) sen- sible people. Without e-mailing all of the people with commendable pride who have posted their good-willed beliefs, I'll herein thank a few who have helped to restore my faith in this newsletter: Luis Arturo Loyo Delgado I almost misread your ORQ as "If I could wave my magic wand, I'd set everything straight"; wouldn't that be nice! :T Scott Kaplan More people should take the rational approach, I agree. 'This is called wishful thinking.' 'Rus.' from Greenwich, U.K. Levity! Humility! (And a quirky knack for mocking me! ;-} ) So where does Geddy's nose fit into the story? cthurrot at Tufts puanani in Hawaii An activist can have patience, but it is broken when his/her rights to peace of mind are threatened. Christopher Mermagen IDEALS, surviving (we hope) society's maniacal mechanics Smith @NASA (Perhaps the only person here who's seen the REAL Red Sector A, but that's not important right now.) AND... the perseverant couple of people who continue those enormous threads on the meaning of Xanadu as if all of this negatively toned bickering were so much spam. It's good to sense that I'm not the only one with the solid integrity and common good-sense to speak up over the recent perversity. Now let's continue this newsletter thing as planned, eh? Jeremy Goldberg ________________________________ brick!jeremy@purvid.purchase.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --feel free to e-mail me to trade items, or any time the madmen proliferate. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:24:42 -0500 From: The Necromancer <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> Subject: tickets, other stuff How's it going everyone. I just wanted to contribute to the ticket thread and basically emphasize the points made by other people here. My experience is probably less than that of older Rush fans, but what I can tell you is: 1) Camping out is probably the best way to get _a chance_ for good seats, that is, if you don't know anyone at the arena, have no connections, or what ever. Here in Maryland, there are quite a few Ticketbastard outlets. The lines at each vary from concert to concert. However, a good idea is to get there early and run a list, if you have the time, energy, and willingness to do it. I was fortunate in having a friend who had an Aerostar, so, the night before, we packed that thing full of sleeping bags, chips, soda (and other beverages), a football, a frisbee, those stupid velcro-ball things, a box and all our Rush CDs. It was a fun night. However, the ticket sale date was the same as the Dead, so there were some problems as the Dead tickets went on Rush tickets at 10. So, around 10, we were getting worried that all the Dead heads would not be done buying. As a matter of fact, we got into somewhat of a dispute with the guy who was runnning the Dead list. MORAL: if you are camping out, get there early as you can, cause it fills up fast. If you are running a list, make sure you let people know that you are, have check-ins, or whatever. Also, I have heard that it is best to camp out at arenas, rather than ticket outlets. This makes sense, but not always possible. Who wants to spend a night in SE D.C., for example? Also, buying tickets in smaller numbers gets you closer. I was in line, and the people in front of me (I was #3 on this occasion) got a block of 8, and the seats turned out to be mediocre, so, instead of buying 4 like I planned, I only got 2, and my seats were good. The reason is, that larger blocks are less available in the front obviously because more people get seats there and they fill up fast. So deep-six that scalping idea and go for the good seats. If you're camping out at a mall, watch out for mall security. They can be annoying. I have met the most lenient and the strictest. You just have to know how to deal with them. Lastly, if a local radio station is giving away tickets, GO FOR IT!!!! I have won quite a few pairs to various concerts, and the seats are excellent (seeing as how the station probably reserves them before they go on sale) and they are FREE!!!! Makes you feel a lot better about buying that $29 T-shirt! 2) What was #1??? Happy ticket hunting!!!! - IL "sometimes out big splashes" are just ripples in the pool" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Nov 92 06:41:37 EST From: Thomas Regina <71530.417@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Missed the point on the rumors Some of you missed the point on the Neil rumors. The person who posted the rumors said that he saw polaroids of a naked Neil with his bike standing next to another man. Now, isn't this out of character for Neil to do this? Why would he jeopardize his career, and more importantly, his private life by doing this? I don't think many women would be secure in their husband's bisexuality. Plus, the poster said he drove out of his way to confirm these rumors. Why did he do this? Would a Rush fan do this and then report back to other Rush fans on his findings? I don't think so, a Rush fan wouldn't care, and anyway, he wouldn't want to cause trouble on this list. Therefore, I must conclude that he is a Rush hater, and wanted to stir things up on this list with false rumors. One could make another conclusion about this poster, but I don't want to get/cause any trouble. Draw your own conclusions. So, if this rumor is false, there is no need to discuss the right or wrong of homosexuality because whatever your belief, you will offend some subscribers. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:16:55 TUR From: "Tuncer Y. Guven" <C87752%TRMETU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: Something amusing for you! A few days ago I was looking at the old music mags that were forgotten in a closet. While staring at the "Musician" mag (Printed in USA, July 1984) I found a page of album reviews named as "ROCK Short Takes" and the author was named J.D. Considine. The reason I'm writing all this is Rush's Grace Under Pressure was one of the albums that was reviewed by this gentleman! His review on GUP was the shortest of the thirteen albums. For those who didn't read the infamous review, I will type it down, I guess he was in a bad mood that day, or maybe it was ten minutes before he commited suicide when he wrote the review for GUP. And he goes like that: "In a dozen albums, Rush has gone from mindlessly imitating Led Zeppelin to carefully copying The Police. That's progress for you." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:49:02 -0500 From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Xanadu and Intended Interpretations >From: sxk29@po.CWRU.Edu (Susan Kretschmer) > In Coleridge's version, I >believe what he is essentially saying is the very old concept that if you were >to achieve something like paradise, it wouldn't turn out to be Paradise >at all. (Hmmm...does this theme sound familiar?) Yes, which was my point. I've been arguing that this is the case, while Tadd has been arguing that this `concept' was added by Neil. It's clear to me that Neil's interpretation is the correct (i.e. _intended_) interpretation (at the literal level) of Coleridge's poem. >Now I don't think Kubla searched for Xanadu, I think he was rich, being a khan, >found a perhaps slightly supernatural location and commanded his "pleasure >dome" to be built there. So here is a guy with tons of $ trying to create >perfection with it. And what he creates is a world that is alluring and >seductive, and to Western sensibilities decadent. Period. The poem ends >here (unfortunately). The last few lines do NOT spell out entrapment literally. The word `entrapped' is not used if that's what you mean. But one can do some straightforward `deduction' (in the sense of Sherlock Holmes rather than in the sense of applying _modus ponens_ (a=>b) ). Which is what I did in my original post: if one is to circle Khan he must be fixed in place; if he's powerful and fixed he must be trapped. >However I think from the lines leading up to them, and from the analogous >concepts in Greek myth of eating pomegranates and getting stuck in the >underworld that that is the general idea. Quite. >This illustrates the difference >between the kinds of reading of a piece of literature. Obviously there has >to be some basic agreement at an objective level on very simple concepts >so that we know we are talking about the same poem, so that is legit to >say: Objective fact: the river Alph ran through the caves of ice down to the >sea. But the ability to define a "correct" interpretation stops there. Really? Do you have an _argument_ for this belief? It is silly to say that poets and lyricists intend to say only what is literally obvious to the average first-grader. They may not discourage people from searching for interpretations (as that is essential to the way poetry functions), but there are clearly intendend interpretations beyond such simplistic "objective facts." Holmes-style deduction is quite straightforward and not particularly unique to my psychology. In this sense there _is_ a correct interpretation despite despite the need for a little common sense input. Of course one should always be looking for better interpretations which might defy common sense but still be sensible, etc. Which is why it's good to argue over interpretations so as to find the intended (aka correct) interpretation. >Anything more that you get from the poem is YOURS; that's what you make of >it. In the song "Xanadu" we see Neil giving us his take on things, which >is every bit as valid as mine or that in the other posts here, or Coleridge's >own. One of my friends said that the song is a confession of homosexuality :) Neil must be gay, etc. It's just that Coleridge didn't know it was a poem about Neil. Lack of sensible background assumptions is just what makes alot of poetic interpretation 'a load of dingo's kidneys' to coin a phrase (not). Some poets may write without intending to transmit any particular meaning, but these are definitely in the minority and Coleridge is not one of them. It's nice for everyone to give his own interpretation but that doesn't mean that all are correct or intended by the author. Unless of course you don't mind my (male, and hypothetical) friend's interpretation that the my friend is Khan and that the woman is Neil, etc. > It has even been said that the number and variety of different possible >interpretations is a measure of the greatness of a work. Especially during the 1960s. John Cage's 4'33'' springs to mind. It has been said so it must be true, eh? This is true only if it is the author's intention to make the work ambiguous in this way. I see no reason to believe Coleridge adopted this approach to his work. "Kubla Khan" was composed in semi-consciousness and truncated because its writing down was destructively disrupted. Some vaguaries can be attributed to this fact, but not to any attempt at ambiguity. The only clear ambiguity is that there are both literal and figurative levels to the poem. >Now for anyone who WANTS a massively allegorical interpretation of this poem >and perhaps of the song), how about this: >Consider, especially since we know Coleridge was smoking opium while writing >Xanadu, that the "paradise" referred to is that of drugs. Seductive, strange >and new, and ultimately entrapping, it sounds a lot like Xanadu, eh? This is an interpretation best suited to Van Halen's ``Pleasure Dome''. It's quite obvious to anyone with common sense that this interpretation applies in the VH case. (The opening chords to VH's "PD" are quite reminiscent of Rush's "Xanadu"). Also Eddie's father died of alcholism and Eddie has been to rehab. In the Van Halen case this allegorical interpretation is correct. Gregg Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy) Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ. "You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls "One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger "You may _not_ touch my monkey" -Dieter ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:48:01 -0500 From: Scott David Daly <skipdaly@wam.umd.edu> Subject: hahahahahahaha. Hello all... Well it's nice to see the rumor monger's popularity is soaring around here! I won't beat a dead horse (even if it IS a dead GAY horse), but I just had to say that I applaud all of your reactions and "live and let live" attitudes to these rumors! It is a tribute to us as fans (and to the band) that we are intelligent enough (the majority of us anyway) to rise above all this crap... SKIP ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Philip M. Simon" <ps3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Rumors Far be it from me to invite censorship, but I would encourage the Rush mgr. to delete any posts regarding the gay bar incident. In my view, this list is simply not the forum for borderline slanderous accusations. This topic is just not germane to Rush discussions, and has no place on this list. Phil Simon ---------------------------------------------------------- From: mr1cy1 <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> Subject: Album side / Theory Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:07:57 +0000 (GMT) Ok, Rush people, I'll keep it brief this time. Preferred album side: for me it's Roll the Bones side 1. Excellent songs from Dreamline through to WMT. I particularly like the funky riffs on RTB and WMT, too. Theory about "are we all physics/comp.sci.". I'm a CompSci, perhaps a survey is in order? Yeah, why not. Anybody who wants to describe their current situation (i.e. course/job etc.) email me (as mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk) with a brief description and I'll post the results in a week or so. A big turnout would be nice to fully answer this question, so get typing. That's all for now, -Rus ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 NOV 92 13:32:26 BST From: CMSGBULLIMOR@VAX.LIVERPOOL-JOHN-MOORES.AC.UK Subject: Was the dog pushed...or is alex a singer ? This is my first time....Please be gentle.... What I want to know involves the Limelight Video... The dog/wolf seems to act naturally at the start of the video, but at the end it looks as though it's been pushed infront of the camera! What's going on there then ? Also the Alex singing or not singing debate... I have a recording of him singing on the HYF tour in London on 30th of MAY (I was there) ..... I can tell you, that man is not a singer. (*period* [as they say on LA LAW]) If you like I, will sample it and up load it onto SYRINX.UMD.EDU. It'll be in a SoundBlaster VOC file though! Let me know...... The NMS CD is a big *YES* The best way to get a front row seat is to buy a ticket which bears a seat number corresponding to a seat situated on the front row. Sorry......... -- Greame (the Geordie in Liverpool) Bullimore -- cmsgbullimor@livjm.vax.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:13:54 -0500 From: Christopher Williams <chrisw@brahms.udel.edu> Subject: Rare CD's I thought I'd discuss the legalities of making this TNMS CD people want to do. As producer of the Yes rarities collection, I think I'm qualified to point out a few things... (also, my girlfriend's father is a lawyer with fraud) IF we put this CD together, and distribute it for basically the price of making the CD, lesser legal charges will be brought down upon the person distributing it. IF you put this together to make a profit, you're treading on real thin ice there. This, of course, depends on the possibility that Rush finds out what we're doing, and if they want to press charges. To tell you the truth, the band probably will do very little. They know this list exists (I believe), and they've done little to check up on us anyway. Basically, if we make this CD, distribute it ONLY to members not for profit, but only for the cost of making it, we won't get into legal trouble (odds are). One thing I want to mention is that I had thought of doing the Yes rarities on CD, but it only holds 80 min. max, but a chrome tape holds 90 min, adding an extra 10 minutes. Of course, I live in the stone age anyway, since I own no CD's.... --Jeremy (despite what the address says...) "How many people do you think I am..." Talking Heads ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:29:02 CST From: "Jim Graham" <jim@n5ial.chi.il.us> Subject: Re: 11/17/92 - The National Midnight Star #560 sorry, but this is a rather long post --- I'm hitting several topics in one quick e-mail.... mr1cy1 <mr1cy1@greenwich.ac.uk> writes: > Geddy's a pink banana. I bumped into him on a holiday I recently had on > the moon. GREAT STORY! this one, however, was a bit too plausible.... :-) seriously, I do have one comment (that I haven't seen mentioned yet) that I'd like to direct at everyone who's even marginally believed this Neil at gay bar cr*p --- don't assume that just because you see it in a photo that it's real....it's easier than you think to be, uhhh, creative. I do some photography, and one thing I can certainly tell you is that once you leave the ``point and shoot'' game (most people with a camera) and get into serious photography, you find that reality is more what you *DECIDE TO MAKE IT* than what really exists. I've got some shots of a sunset where the sky and sun are green. I've got some shots of this really incredibly foggy day...except there was no fog that day.... I could go on with lots more examples (but I won't). we won't even begin to go into things like multiple-image filters, motion filters, double-exposure filters, mirage filters, and so on..... now, that's all done with simple filters --- once you get into the darkroom (I've never done darkroom work, but my dad has for years), you can pretty much do whatever the h*ll you want to. you want to splice Neil's face onto the body of, say, a monkey? you can do it. you might need to diffuse the image a bit (perhaps use a heavy diffusion filter for both originals), do a little alteration on the colors, etc., to blend the images, but it can be done. in other words, just because someone says they saw it in a photograph (I'll be nice and give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they really believe they saw this) doesn't mean that the image shown in the photo ever *REALLY* happened. just because these people who had this photo also claim he really was there, doesn't mean it's true. the sky and sun are green. I say it's true (well, for the moment let's just pretend that I say it's true), and I've got a photograph to prove it. anyone care to disagree with me? remember, I have proof.... :-) actually, I just got another neat idea --- how does this sound: the sky and the SUNS (both of them) are purple.... not too complex to do, but should look neat! ok, on to another topic..... TNMS t-shirts! Mike Hackett <hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> writes: > I like how this idea is shaping up, but I think it would be cool to add > some sort of Rush line or quote to the shirt sounds like a really good idea to me. > I'm sure people will come up with better, but off the top of my head, > the following come to mind: > > "Catch the spirit, catch the fish" I particularly like this one, since I'm about to move back down South (Florida, to be exact), and my dad's already told me that one of the very first things I'm going to be responsible for when I get there is make a new net (the net my dad had made for me got trashed a few weeks ago by someone who'd never thrown from this bridge before) and then spend a rather large amount of time down at the bridge to stock up on mullet for the winter, when they're not running. ah, the hardships of life, I tell ya.... going fishing every morning and every evening.... I wonder how I'll manage...to hold out till I get there. :-) seriously, though, I like that one (but then, Destin is basically a fishing village, so I'm biased). yet another topic.....this is the last one, I promise! Mike Hutchinson <HUTCHINS%ITHACA.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> writes: > I definitely agree with Mike Weintraub about Dream Theatre -- they have > a heavy Rush influence but also remind me of a cross between Yes and > Metallica. actually, I also hear a *LOT* of old (well, fairly old) Styx in there, as well as more than a little bit of jazz influence (on some charts, at least). there's one on IaW that, for a while, always reminded me of an old Spyro Gyra chart. of course, once I started trying to determine which DT chart it was (I never hear this anymore now that I'm listening for it), and which SG chart it reminded me of, I can't seem to work it out. :-( it's something off of SG's ``Access All Areas'' though, that much I do know. oh well, this post is long enough, and I've got things to do to get ready to move.... --jim -- #include <std_disclaimer.h> 73 DE N5IAL (/9) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ INTERNET: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us | grahj@gagme.chi.il.us | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 41.70N 87.63W UUCP: gagme!n5ial!jim@clout.chi.il.us AMATEUR RADIO: (unstable...back after I've moved) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:57:17 EST From: Glen Reed <3TANVOZ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: A few things... Rushppl -- In the last NMS, David Arnold <davida> said (in response to me): > As for placement; you were 50th in line and complained about not getting a > floor seat?? Sheesh, I've been 5th in line and not gotten floor, and I was > only buying four tickets! Of course, I live in a fairly densely populated Well, the main reason I complained was that there were four of us waiting, and ONE of us did get two (of four) tickets on the floor (about 1/2-way back). Unfortunately, our group wanted to sit together, so we, or he, gave the two floor tickets to a couple of ppl we were buying tickets for (pretty damned generous, eh?).... I also tried going to an obscure ticket outlet (well, it was in Wilmington, DE.. I consider that obscure, anyway)... I was something like 10th in line there.. however, they didn't even HAVE any floor tickets... Actually, I think my problem is where I'm going... the Spectrum (Philly) must have some weird system for distributing tickets :) Oh yeah... another problem was that this was the 1st night for Vinnie Moore, who is from Philly, and therefore bought out a section of the floor... One more thing... if people don't want to hear about Neil going or not going to a gay bar, don't complain about it on here! You're just adding to the problem, not solving it... you wanna do something about it, complain to the poster in email.... Spend your NMS space on something more valuable... like a response to my question a few digests ago about The Big Money which either EVERYONE ignored, or NO ONE has an answer... or, of course, no one cares :) >.-------------------.---------------------------------------------------. : Glen "Trroy" Reed : 3tanvoz@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu greed@chopin.udel.edu : :-------------------'---------------------------------------------------: : "Try as they might they cannot steal your dreams" -- GLW : : "You can't afford to squander what you're not prepared to pay" -- WMJ : `-----------------------------------------------------------------------' ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:01 CDT From: ATE_RRL%GEN@HOBBES.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM Subject: Alex takes a ride... I heard this on the radio on the way home from work last night... I'm doing this from memory so this is just a paraphrase. The DJ said that Alex recently was given a ride in a fighter jet (sorry, can't remember which type of fighter jet). The Canadian military wanted to use "Where's My Thing?" sound track for a promotional video and the band said yes with the condition that Alex gets a ride. The ride lasted about a half hour and they went through several manuevers and battle simulations (sounds like fun to me!). There were more details of the flight but I can't remember the specifics. The DJ also mentioned that this information was "released" in Seattle and that the band had recently spent some time there. Anyone know what they were doing in Seattle? Was Neil with them or was it just Geddy and Alex (like usual)? Thanks, Ron Lassen (rrl@iberia.cca.cr.rockwell.com) 'I placed no trust in a 319-395-8983 faith that was ready made' Peart ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:49:18 -0800 From: J. Q. Gumby <daye@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU> Subject: ASoH and NMS T-shirt First, a question to those who have the ASoH video: I used to be a percussionist, and after listening to Neil's solo on ASoH I am absolutely amazed. Would someone out there who has seen the video version of this (obstarving-college-studentq) please tell me what all he's playing? I'm pretty sure Geddy is probably hitting the horn kicks towards the end, but the parts with what sound like timpani and wooden bells (don't remember the name) are really cool and would seem a little tough to play while from a set.... Regarding the T-shirt quote, I personally like "Dont' ask me, I'm just improvising / my illusion of harmless flight" (May be careless instead of harmless...it's been a while) Thanks! (I have no Rush .sig! Oh well...) daye@jacobs.cs.orst.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:54:07 -0500 From: meg (******* Meg *******) Subject: T-Shirts (quote?) Suppose I should jump in here since it *was* my idea.. :) "rush-mgr" instead of "rush" was going to be on the back just in case someone seeing the shirt DID have net access and mailed to get information. But a quote might be a good idea as well, and I'm suprised that no one mentioned the obvious quote: "We've got Mars on the horizon..." since we are the National Midnight Star! And once again if anyone doesn't have a gif viewer or postscript printer, I can mail you a printed copy of the star and logo I did, still available in rush/incoming (nmsstar.gif and nmslogo.gif). -Meg meg@syrinx.umd.edu ps. A bit of useless information here: I was looking at the old Rolling Stone reviews and noticed that the GUP review was done by Kurt Loder. For those of you who don't watch MTV anymore, he's on there usually doing the "Day/Week In Rock." After his review I don't blame Rush for not wanting to be on there! :) Alex is not an interesting lead guitarist... hmph. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:02:32 CST From: jensen@esd.dl.nec.com (Tadd Jensen) Subject: Story title: "How to Apply Heavy Makeup" by K. Khan Well, I geuss I'll let myself get sucked into this one last time... Further response to jaeger@buphy.bu.edu's views: > >You repeatedly refer to the "demon lover," almost as though it's a > >significant part of the poem. Well, I never thought that the "demon-lover" > >existed AT ALL!! This "lover" is only mentioned once in the poem, > >in the verses: > >"A savage place! as holy and enchanted As ever beneath a waning moon was > > haunted By woman wailing for her demon-lover!" > > >Here I feel Coleridge used a SIMILE. > > You mean METAPHOR. Sure, you can say that the demon-lover does not exist > at all but then neither to the pleasure dorm and caves of ice. If > something is _mentioned_ then it must exist (on some level). I see no > reason to believe that on the literal level the woman does not exist, Geeez! I never thought I'd have to rehash 9th grade English to make this point. When I posted this, I figured all the following went without saying: (1st of all, Gregg, consult your dictionary on the meanings of metaphor and simile. For the rest of you folks, if you know this, please ignore.) _Webster's New World_ defines SIMILE as "A figure of speech in which one thing is likened to another, dissimilar thing by the use of *like*, *as*, etc. (e.g., a heart as big as a whale...)" _Thorndike-Barhhart_ concurs, adds examples: "as brave as a lion, as hard as nails" ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ (Everyone knows that when using such similies, like saying, "his head is as hard as a rock," there's no implication that an actual *rock* is involved!) It seemed to me that "A savage place! as holy and enchanted As ever beneath ... demon-lover!" ^^ ^^ was a simile. (Note the telltale placement of subject, adjective(s), etc.) I admit that this is hard to see because of the complex run-on clause that Coleridge likens the "savage place" to. However, (similar to the above stated "rock,") just because the "waning moon," "woman," or "demon-lover" are *mentioned* DOES NOT necessarily mean they existed, IMO. Also note that Coleridge says "By woman wailing," NOT "By A woman wailing," which appears to me to further imply a general statement, not one that applies to a *specific* woman. > > You may disagree, but I didn't think > >there *was* a "demon-lover," it just being part of a figurative expression. > > The editor Beer seems to agree with me on this point, and you've > provided no reason to believe that the lover (or woman) are purely > figurative. You certainly put a lot of stock in Beer. (But wouldn't we all like to keep a large stock of beer :-) Reasons provided. --> but hey, I'm not saying you are *wrong*; just that all this is open, and will ALWAYS be open, to artistic interpretation. It all makes me think: if we can't even agree on something as apparently *objective* as what a simile and metaphor are, then it seems pointless that we are even arguing. I'd really like to get out of all this bickering. > >been there (perhaps some kind of eastern "Adam?") Truthfully, I never > >quite knew for sure just WHO or WHAT Kubla was!! Was he even human? > > Yes. There is no searching _described_ in the poem, but Kubla Khan > _was_ a real person (dates 1216-1294 according to _The American Heritage I guess that when I read the poem, I was expecting it to be fiction, not some "biography." Didn't really think I'd have to do research on this guy to see if he actually lived or not! A hearty THANKS to everyone who set me straight on the life and times of my man, Mr. K. Khan. (All the info has been RILLY GRATE!!) > Reread your original posting and I think you'll see why I made this > statement -- you came across like a total relativist (there are such I'm almost sorry I ever made that post. > >I wish people could just relax, exchange ideas, and give other people's as > >much consideration (hence UNDERSTANDING) as they give their own!! > > I'm quite relaxed. You might try being less thin-skinned. If you'd > like to talk more about the influence of `the subject' we can do that > privately, eh? Sorry Gregg. My apologies if I came across wrong in saying that -- I didn't mean for you to take it personally. There ARE a lot of people in this world who are very intolerant of other's ideas (but that's not news to anyone read- ing this!) ...For a minute there I thought you were saying something along the lines of <in heafty-biker-voice>, "You wanna take this outside?!" Har har! Nuff said... Well folks, back to your regularly scheduled tabloid journalism... Peace! Tadd Jensen jensen@esd.dl.nec.com "It's not what you are, NEC Engineering and Support Division, Dallas but what you can be" ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:23 GMT From: MaskullSoft <maskull@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: Gold CD > Almost everyone in the field believes that this is pretty much bull. I'd agree with that. > There is some debate as to whether multiple-generation digital copies of > digital masters result in signal deterioration. MFSR does not deal in DDD or As far as I'm aware, the signal deterioration is insignificant for digital copies, unless the tape is very bad and the error correction can't cope, or a *very* large number of copies are made. By that, I mean far more copies than even professionals realistically need to make. Can anyone tell me which analogue generations were used for the pre- digital albums? I'd like some rough idea how much is gained by using an ultradisc instead of the usual CD. This only applies to Rush CDs, as I doubt I'll bother re-buying CDs by anyone else. Thanks. Martin Rodgers @ MaskullSoft ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:23 GMT From: MaskullSoft <maskull@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: Serengeti night This is a little late, as I've only just read the last week's NMS issues, but I thought I'd answer anyway! AAWST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu asked: > "I've heard the lions hunting > in the Serengeti night" > What's a Serengeti night? Night time in the Serengeti. :-) Alternertely, consult an Altlas, and turn the lights out. :-)) I friend of mine smiled when he heard the Serengeti line. It sounds so much like Peart! Martin Rodgers @ MaskullSoft ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:23 GMT From: MaskullSoft <maskull@cix.compulink.co.uk> Subject: NMS T-shirts Some of this will be out of date... A small tip to those new to ftp: remember to use the binary command before getting the files. I forgot, and so only one of them was readable by WinGif. A second attempt was more successful. I liked the star better as a logo. You can put anything you like on the back tho. "Born to Rush" sounds good! Is there any chance of getting them by mail order? I'm in the UK, and unless a meeting can be arrange over here, a few Brits are going to miss out. Why not make special NMS stickers? When you make them yourselves, you can put whatever you like on them, tho I like the idea of using other people's stickers! I'm an old Blue Peter victim (for those who know the show - was that the BP elephant in RTB? (-: ). T-shirts and stickers can help to identify people at concerts, so I say: don't restrict them to a select few. I was recently at a books signing that I *know* was attended by many people I've met electronically, but I couldn't identify them. This would be tragic at a Rush concert, tho the number of people would be a couple of magnitudes larger...at least. Just catching up...I see that you *will* be using the star. Excellent! Same for the mail order. Use any colour, as I don't mind. Usually, I either go for an all black or an all white background. Thanks. Oh, and thanks to rush-mgr for resending #556. I must've been one of those who missed it the first time. Still, I have ftp access now, so I can fetch all those wonderful back issues - when I have the time! I enjoyed reading about Dave's trip to S-D. I hope he did his bit of the dish washing, or did you eat out all week? Seriously tho, it sounded like a real treat, and well deserved too. Martin Rodgers @ MaskullSoft ----------------------------------------------------------
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