The National Midnight Star #523

From root Thu Sep 24 19:14 1992 Received: by wake.ncsl.nist.gov (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA02154; Thu, 24 Sep 92 19:14:21 Received: by syrinx.umd.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA26436; Thu, 24 Sep 92 18:30:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 18:30:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9209242230.AA26436@syrinx.umd.edu> Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list@syrinx.umd.edu Subject: 09/24/92 - The National Midnight Star #523 Status: R
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Re: 09/23/92 - The National Midnight Star #522 Re: The first time... Re D. Benbenisty (very long, sorry gang..Rush stuff at the end) ** RUSH ARE EVERYWHERE! ** Rush items seen advertised First Concert Vinnie Moore & 1st influence The first time... empty criticisms/the good old days... Elephants ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 17:49:52 -0500 From: Brian E. Saunders <saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: The first time... > It is just me, or does everyone seem to have really gotten into Rush > because of either Tom Sawyer or 2112? Well, Tom Sawyer got radio airplay, and 2112 had a slightly-controversial cover, which probably garnered attention from the early metal fans. The first Rush I remembered liking was Limelight, actually, but it was "The Weapon" that really got me interested in Rush. Call me strange... So who is going to say they got into Rush because of "Kid Gloves"? Brian ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu Subject: Re: 09/23/92 - The National Midnight Star #522 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 20:00:29 -0400 In Issue #522, qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Benbenisty) accused Rush's latest efforts of being money-makers rather than artistic statements. I'm know there are bands that do sell out- but Rush already had huge sucess with 2112 and later albums. They were *already* making money! Maybe they got lazy, or (my opinion) their taste really did change, but after their great previous success, I doubt they sold out. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 20:29:21 EDT From: B7JD000 <B7JD%MUSICB.MCGILL.CA@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Subject: Rush stuff Hi Y'all, It's my first time being in the limelight. If you want to question what I say, feel free to email. Anyway, let me start self-indulging here : First, FYI, if anybody didn't know already, the neon sign in the picture inside HYF is Chinese for Tai Shan. Tai Shan is in a proverb that approximates "solid as a rock" (it's the rock.) It can also mean a moutain, a person who is physically strong, or Tarzan (note the similarity in pronunciation.) BTW, one of the first questions I ask people when I first meet them if they liked Rush. So far, the only Oriental person I know who likes Rush is my cousin. Why is that? (I guess I know, it's white music) Any fan out there who has yellow skin and black hair like me? Re : Rush convention I love the idea of a Rush convention. I think a great time would be to hold it during the second to last weekend of May. It's a three-day weekend for Canadians, and we could go to Lakeside Park on the 24th and have fireworks and sing songs together (hint, hint.) FYI, May 24 is on a Monday and is also Victoria Day. I think most college students would be off by then, but I'm not sure. Anyway, <<don't ask me, I'm just improvising.>> It's just an idea, albeit a romantic one. Re : the world of cinema My first thoughts when I saw an ad for "Rush" the movie: "Is Rush on it?" Mr. Clapton, Mr. Sanborn and Sting did some great songs together, but doesn't it make since to use a band w/ the same name as the movie to do the soundtrack? That sucks big toes! Re : First time I heard Rush The first time I heard Rush was just after ASOH came out. I just got into playing bass and a hardcore Rush fanatic drummer friend of mine (I think he's a class B, he don't listen to the early ones that much, I don't think) brought his CD player and HYF to show off Geddy's licks. I was real impressed because the music was out of this world and the bass parts were blowing me away. I told him this was the band I've always been looking for, a band with a killer bass dude and lyrics that would provoke some brain activity. Even though I was excited about the band I didn't buy a single album until I got a laserdisc player. Then I started buying CDs when they were on sale and the first laserdisc I got was ASOH. After I could memorize every shot of ASOH I bought p/g. It wasn't as great because the camera work sucked. But it's still CD quality sound and it's Rush, so I ain't complaining. I saw my first concert in Irvine, CA (outdoor amphitheater) with my cousin who just came from Taiwan. It's too bad Rush don't play in Taiwan, I bet they sell out in 5 micro-seconds. Anyway, it was le Presto tour and needless to say, the ultimate experience of my life. I saw Rush again in Montreal for the RTB tour and I didn't like it as much because the enclosed Forum ain't the greatest place for a concert. The sound was distorted at the high end and the people around us (we got cheap seats, didn't know there was a concert until my Rush-hating brother pointed it out to me in the newspaper) seemed to be watching chickens hatch eggs. Nevertheless, we had a great time. My friend from Winnipeg, where Rush has not played in since the early 80s, went to see his favorite band for the first time and that's all he talked about for quite awhile. Interestingly, I never really got into the lyrics even though they were a part of what first attracted me to Rush. I just memorize them so I can sing-along during the concerts, hehe. The closest I came to analyzing the lyrics was "The Pass." I wanted my band to cover that song because the parts were pretty easy (except for the drums, of course) so I read the lyrics to get a feel for it. I figured out it was something on suicide and I thought, "Great, I figured it out. Let's see if I can do the same with the drum part." Anyway, that's how I came to kiss the ground that Rush walks on. Pretty unexciting. Re : songs -> events Don't got no songs that I can relate an event to, but I can tell you that I know every bass line Geddy ever put on magnetic pattern, just can't play them (how can you sing and play the bass line in "Turn the Page" at the same time? I can't play the piano because you have to have two hands doing different things. But I can listen to Rush and study, and watch TV, and shower, and eat, and pick my nose, and...) Re : Concept albums Somebody said something about concept albums being a cool idea. Check out Queensryche and their Operation: Mindcrime album. Arguably one of the best concept albums of all time (besides Rush albums, no doubt.) Well, that's my 2 New Taiwan Dollars' (NT) worth, let us hope the convention becomes reality. Rodney Chang snowdog@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca b7jd@musicb.mcgill.ca ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Duner <jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Yes there's a Superconductor Video Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 20:08:24 CDT Someone posted that he was in the Superconductor video. He was wondering if it was ever released. Yes it was because have it! It's a pretty good video and kind of funny. John ---------------------------------------------------------- From: rhalse20@Calvin.EDU (Rob Halsey) Subject: Neil Peart's Philosophies Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 21:35:10 EDT Hello fellow Rush fans! As a new reader of this group, I am not sure that this has been discussed before, but I would like to see any opinions on the topic. Neil Peart's lyrics in many of the Rush songs have very deep meaning to me (and probably other listeners as well). My question is this: Is Neil Peart an athiest, and if not, does he have any religious convictions (pro/con/other) at all? Also, someone mentioned an essay that Peart wrote on satanism. Could someone email me and let me know where I could get my hands on a copy of it? Thanks in advance... [ The Neil letter is on anonymous ftp at syrinx, in the special directory called "neil.satanism.ed" : rush-mgr ] -- Rob Halsey | "I will love him and hug him, and squeeze (rhalse20@calvin.edu) | him and pet him, and pet him and squeeze Calvin College Phi 33 | him and I will call him George!" Grand Rapids, MI 49546 | -Looney Toons (tm) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 1992 22:44:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.IR.Miami.EDU Subject: Re: 09/23/92 - The National Midnight Star #522 The 70's rule!!! O.K., so I never got to see Rush(I will NEVER refer to them, or anyone else, as "The Boyz" & a pox on those who do!) until the Presto tour. That doesn't make what they, Yes, ELP, Genesis and the other greats of progressive rock did to us in the 80's any less sickening to me. Granted, as far as albums of the past few years go, Presto and Union rank fairly highly amidst the dance pop drivel that's been getting churned out like cars were in the 50's(Extra kudos to Queen and Judas Priest for Innuendo and Painkiller, definitely "second wind" discs, although both those groups have now lost their lead singer). However, the point which has been rather strongly brought up in the past few days that progressive rock is hibernating hits home. Granted, Power Windows certainly doesn't suck, as some of you have inferred(or directly stated!), but it sure ain't no 2112!!! While recent music is often good listening, the extended suites of the 70's are FAR more interesting from a musical standpoint. I have found that this view is far more prevalent among musicians, which is understandable. As someone who has a background in music theory and performance, as well as an interest in many different kinds of music, I love to hear references to other styles like Jazz and Classical in rock music. One of the things that makes rock great is that it is the only form of music(except perhaps some jazz) which has really incorporated many other types into itself. This kind of development was hinted at by bands like Zeppelin and Frank Zappa in the late 60's and really brought to fruition by our beloved progressive groups of the 70's. Sadly, the 80's brought a severe decline in the complexity of rock, even with those groups technically proficient enough to carry on the tradition. The winter may be over for this bear, though. New bands(most of which fall into the Metal category) like Dream Theater, T-Ride, Magellan and Thought Industry are bringing back some of the boundary pushing of classic progressive rock. I hope more groups like these continue to emerge and evolve in the 90's and I wish great success for them. On a semi-related note: Has anyone else gone through explaining the difference between "progressive" and "alternative" or "college" rock to fans of the latter? By my own definition, "progressive" is the musically challenging styles of you-know-who, and "alternative" is the more easily digestible (musically and commercially) music of groups like REM and U2. Interestingly, many of my "alternative" type friends see the difference right away, and often ask me to make Rush mixes for them! (I don't sound this pretentious in real life, really. . .right, Mercury???) I recently picked up the new Dream Theater disc, and I heard that it's not their first. Does anyone know the names of any previous releases? Party On, Dudes Aaron Silverman Formerly ASILVERM@TRINCC Currently ASILVERM@UMIAMI ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 1992 22:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.IR.Miami.EDU Subject: My god, he's got even more to say. . . Hey kids! Here's my bit on Rush's Opening Acts!!! I've seen three opening acts for Rush: Mr. Big, Vinnie Moore and Primus. Mr. Big: Granted, they are very talented, but "Green Tinted Sixties Mind"??? Get Eat 'Em And Smile or some Racer X albums, but Holy Hand Grenade, King Arthur, This stuff BITES! Vinnie Moore: Also very talented. However, unless you are into flashy guitar instrumentals(which I kind of am), he'll probably bore you. Primus: Definitely an acquired taste. There were 2 of us in the 3rd row going nuts during their set, and almost everyone else just kind of ignored them(but oh, to stand not 15 feet from the Lerxt-man himself). One more thing about Primus: To set the record straight ONCE AND FOR ALL: "We're Primus, and We Suck" has been their motto for many years. It's cute for us fans, but for those of you who think they really DO suck, THEY'RE NOT agreeing with you!!! 'Nuff said. Can this multi-post get any longer. . . Aaron Silverman ASILVERM@UMIAMI ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 1992 22:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.IR.Miami.EDU Subject: There's more!!! Will someone PLEASE shut this bastard up??? Just out of curiosity. . . How many different versions are there of the St. Louis 1980 bootleg are there? I've seen or heard at least three different tapes of this show. How many of you have noticed this? I'm really done now!!! Aaron A.K.A. D.J. Kuul A ASILVERM@UMIAMI ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 23:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: SEIDENBERG@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Subject: SUPERCONDUCTOR VID Indeed the video for Superconductor came out. I think it was played on MTV a total of one time. However it did make it to Much Music from what I understand. I have a question and a comment about the video... does the person who attended the taping of the video remember how he/she found out that Rush was shooting the video? Are you sure it took two days? I heard it only took one day? If it took two days, did you sit in the same seat both days? Was it announced on WNEW. My comment is regarding the set-up for this video. You'll notice that Ged and Alex switched sides of the stage for this video. My friend asked Ged about this at some point, and he responded that they did this for a little variety. Very interesting.. See ya Ken F. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: jrs@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Robert Sapp) Subject: Old vs New: A Response Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 9:40:34 EDT In an earlier post, Daniel Benbenisty said: > The only way you can distinguish new Rush from the rest of the pap > out there is from the occasional bass solo and Geddy's unique voice. > Their current composition is banal and boring. I don't care about > their current lyrics, since they are no longer emotionally connected to > the music. If I want good lyrics alone, I'll buy some poetry. If > Peart wants, why doesn't he just publish a book of poems for $15.98? The first part of Daniel's post was equally tedious and filled with self-sustaining dogma which he labeled *support* so I believe I'll just address this last section. The old vs. new Rush (draw the lines where you will) has been argued many times. My personal belief is that both *subdivisions* have their own distinct merit. Those who listen only to old Rush have often refused to grow with the band; not all, but many of these folks are still trapped in that era with the old Rush music - they wear the wame clothes, say the same things, think the same thoughts. They are stagnent. Those who listen only to the new Rush and dismiss the old are equally short-sighted. They can never fully appreciate the growth the band has realized, because they are not aware of the roots of the band; the place where they began. Whenever a new album is released, my first gut reaction is somewhat similar to Daniel's. And then on the album, on every album, I find one song that speaks specifically to my own condition. On HYF, it was Time Stand Still. On Presto, it was Available Light. And on RTB, it was (and is) RTB. These poignant songs are, for me, and indcator of maturity since the previous album and a hint at the next. Usually, I also find other songs on the album which are, to my mind, truly exceptional. The Pass, from Presto, is a fine example. Mr. Benbensity seems concerned with the lack of connections between music and lyrics. I'll give him several off the top of my head. (2) The line from Bravado, "And if the music stops...." when the music quite literally drops to a simple single-note drum and bass on top of the beat. (3) The grandiose opening guitar work in Marathon, a certain indicator of the majesty of the theme that follows. (4) The fervid pace and intricate synth work in Middletown Dreams which confirms the characters underlying fears of their own mediocrity. (5) The excellent guitar solo in Losing It which also attends to a different kind of fear, the fear of becoming ordinary, not unlike the Housewife and the Businessman presented in Middletown. No sir, I believe your arguement is largely unfounded. If fact, I can't think of an instance where Rush's music does belie their music...can you? --Rob Coordinator for Educational Computing The Johns Hopkins School of Medicine jrs@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu ORQ: The melody keeps repeating. ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: A few things... Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 9:54:26 EDT From: hearn1@husc.harvard.edu! Hi! I'm a female Rush fan (for those worried that we don't exist). I got into Rush from a friend who told me that my musical taste sucked and who made me a 90min mix, which contained some Rush (and,no, Tom Sawyer and 2112 weren't on it...it had Closer to the Heart and The Big Money). I proceeded to buy every tape within the year. As for the Superconductor video...I saw it on MuchMusic (canadian music video channel) a couple of times. I thought that it was rather poorly done. It would have been better had it been a straight performance video, rather than having the audience try to act. It was probably never played on MTV. Taryn ---------------------------------------------------------- From: bold@cutter (Jason Bold) Subject: Re: 09/23/92 - The National Midnight Star #522 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 8:11:46 CDT Hi people, it's been a long time since I posted. I have a few thoughts. Someone posted: [rare Rush items forsale (backstage pass, etc.) deleted] > [ Please in the future, this is a discussion group, not > a for sale, "auction list", "send me your highest bid" > newspaper column. I realize some people would like that > but the NMS is not really the place for this. Try: > misc.forsale or rec.music.misc. : rush-mgr ] IMHO, I would like first crack at something that is Rush memorabilia. It would be nice to be able to find it in the NMS, maybe in a small section as the end for buying and selling Rush (only!) memorabilia. However, I have to agree that this is definitely a discussion group. Any suggestions? Maybe a small classified section at the end? If it wasn't too large per issue, it might be manageable. So, what to you think rush-mgr? [ This could be an option, put at the end of the digest. If you'd like to advertise something of yours for sale put the word "CLASSIFIEDS" for the subject header. : rush-mgr ] Second: Bootlegs Bootlegs are illegal. There's no doubt about that. As to whether having them is "morally" correct or not, it probably isn't, but then, being morally incorrect never stopped a lot of people from a lot of things, myself included. Bootlegs are nice to have. But I don't agree with profiting from them. There's a difference between the "letter" of the law, and the "intent" of the law. I believe that the laws against bootlegs were for people who make mass copies and wind up hurting the band's album sales. They weren't for people who tape a show, and give a copy or two to a friend. Third: NMS convention Sounds like a blast. I would definitely recommend that it be during the summer, rather than during spring break. Like someone mentioned, spring breaks don't always coincide, but at least part of summer breaks do ;-) Also, lots of people have plans for their spring break, like going to Florida, and other things. As an aside, I was *real* happy when I saw Alex playing my exact same guitar on the RTB tour that I had purchased two years earlier. And without even knowing he used a Custom PRS(the blue one). -- Jason Bold - Madison, WI: +===+ o +===+ Yeah, but two bold%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu | | /|\ | | amps can go |~~~| Co-"= |~~~| up to 22. "With this amazing new "knife"... |___| / \ |___| So there! ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Sep 1992 10:12:48 -0500 (CDT) From: BECKERDP@CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: The first time... Jeremy Weissenburger askes: > Is it just me. or does everyone seem to have really gotten into Rush > because of either Tom Sawyer or 2112? Though I had heard Tom Sawyer on the radio, it was the whole p/g album (but especially DEW) which got me listening to the guys when I was a scrapping 10 years old. My brother had just gotten the cassette from a club and didn't like it, so he gave it to me (can you imaging?!). I didn't even hear 2112 until about 2 years later. Thought you might be interested. Daniel Becker University of Minnesota, Morris "I see the tip of the iceberg and I worry about you." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 08:37:39 PDT From: brent@ufo.llnl.gov (Kevin B. Fournier) Subject: Re D. Benbenisty (very long, sorry gang..Rush stuff at the end) First, a disclaimer, I'm living as a temporary border in someone's house literally on the other side of the country from my home, hence, I don't have access to my vinyl records, my cd's, and my landlady doesn't even own a stereo. Every thing I cite is, unfortunately, from memory. Dan, you define progressive rock as the result of an experiment in creat- ivity with no other distinguishing features. This is wrong. The Ramones were once on the forefront of creative music, but no one would say they were champs of prog. rock. Creativity alone is not the hallmark of prog. rock. In fact, you claim there is no such thing as a genre of prog. rock acts. Wrong!! Prog. rock is a genre characterized by use of odd time signatures, very expanded dynamic ranges, instruements not normal for R&B based garage rock&roll, and heavy use of electronic instruementation and augmentation. Early Rush falls into the prog. genre because they did explore a wider dynamic range than a lot of acts like Deep Purple or Lynyrd Skynyrd, and their sheer musical talent let the boyz create a wall of sound with only three performers the likes of which has not been done as well by as few before or since. Not until 2112 would I even consider Rush as explorers of the more technical/artsy compontent of prog. rock. As for wether or not Rush was original, I'd say by the time 2112 was released, the whole genre had grown tired of itself. Gabriel and Hackett had both left Genesis, and after 2 decent albums, the band is pretty much where they are today. I think Yes's 'Going for the One' came out at this point, and definately shows an evolution towards shorter songs that was made manefest on 'Tormato' and 'Drama'. Also, if the genre, by the time the boyz got to it, was still so "no-holds-barred" creative, why did Wakeman, and Anderson leave Yes, why did ELP split up, and why did King Crimson and the Moody Blues both go into hiatus for many, many years??? Next, don't discuss music from the 18th and 19th century unless you are prepared to do so. For starters, Mozart is painfully unoriginal. Perhaps that is why he is so popular today?! Bach, who was a true inovator, was original in style, and often never recieved critical acclaim from his contemporaries. Mozart ripped off a lot of Bach's themes and evocations, stripped them of the counterpunctal rythmic richness and complexity of Bach, and buried them in a (classical era) wall of sound. Beethoven, on the other hand, gets some praise for integrity in his music, but sadly, it may all be derived from his fairly well established maddness. As far as your 'point', after Beethoven's Eroica Symphony, his music (except for the Pastorale (sp?)) bears no resemblance to Handel. Your point is nonsequitor (sp?) As for specific similarities between old Rush albums and other albums, I never said the Rush albums were clones (as you would have me say). Still, if you listen to the introduction to Tarkus, and the '...the universe divided, the heart and mind collided...' part of Hemispheres, you would find the melody in the base in both tracks is extremely similar. Also, the keyboard sound in the '...I have memory and a will, but I have not shape or form...' is very similar to, I believe, the Manticore part of Tarkus. (Again, because of my transient status, I am working purely from memories that are years old in some cases...) I don't want to pick these songs apart phrase by phrase. The point is that thematically, all of Rush's albums (CoS --> Hemi.) repeate themes done on other albums (the battle between authority and free will: 2112/Relayer; a journey of discovery and introspection: Fountain of Lamneth/Close to the Edge) More importantly, the way that Rush uses the music to tell the story had also been well explored by the time they got there. The flight of Black Sabbath's Iron Man as he turns on humanity is much more clear in the guitar/ bass combination on the album than in Ozzy's nasaly story, just as is the fight between By-tor and the Snowdog and By-tor and the Necromancer. The anguished peaks of despair felt by the hero in 2112 are very well brought out by Alex's screaming guitar. Still, the psychic chaos felt in the mind of the hero of Relayer is also masterfully illustrated by Steve Howe, and the peaks of joy of self-discovery in Rick Wakeman's keyboards on Close to the Edge more than set the example for the ultimate resolution of conflict that Alex's acustic guitar brings to us at the close of Hemispheres. I'm sorry for going on and on. I will bring this long post to a close with a few keypoints that I've been trying to make all along, and that I want you to understand above all others. 1) It is clear that the Rush of the 70's were not pioneers, they were following in the footsteps of band that peaked in the late 60's and early 70's. 2) Although you feel the Rush of the 80's and 90's is with out redeeming qualities, I believe you are in error. The band has managed to offer a universal appeal with their lyrics as is shown by the number of new female rush fans, the global oriented songs such as Territories, and Heresey, a sense of western history such as in DEW and Red Sector A and Heresy, and an examination of our culture in such songs as Subdivisions and Middletown Dreams. Whereas in the 70's Rush relied on each musician stepping out and offering a lot of flash in order to attract the fleeting attention of adolescent males, the Rush of today has integrated itself into one of the tightest, slickest GROUPS of musicians playing as a unit, and offering us something of substance to think about in our every day lives. 3)Lastly, the lyrics can't just stand alone nor can the music in the songs. Remember, the originator of all Western Epic art, Homer the Poet, was blind, and did not write huge tomes for high school and college students to suffer through. The composed lyrical poetry, epic songs to tell the story and explain/explore the culture of his age. To listen to just one component of the musical package that is Rush, or to limit yourself to the bands least mature, and least well defined stage is sad indeed. Thanks for your patience, K. Brent Fournier ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 02:48:42 CDT From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson) Subject: ** RUSH ARE EVERYWHERE! ** Thought I'd drop a line to the list here and mention a job interview I had today. What did a job interview have anything in the slightest to do with a band of three canadian mistrels? It was a company that produces color graphics and slides for the presentation graphics industry. In on of their computer labs, there were three high-end Macintoshes. Each monitor had a decal on the top center with a "Red Star with Naked Man" on each end with three familiar names in the center: Geddy, Alex, and Neil. I nearly laughed out loud - obviously, a Rush fan maintains the computer network there and named the machines accordingly. As far as old concerts go: Yes, Moving Pictures tour 1981 DID indeed have a viewscreen. They showed the "air car" sequence for "Red Barchetta". I've seen every tour since that one except Signals (when they didn't come here because the Moving Pictures tour was beset by idiots with Fireworks in the auditorium - yes, it was near 4th of July, but it doesn't excuse them.) That year, Rush decided to go to Duluth, Minnesota and they didn't make it to Minneapolis. UUCP: {amdahl!bungia, crash}!orbit!pnet51!tmadson ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!tmadson@nosc.mil INET: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org ---------------------------------------------------------- From: becker@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (John Becker) Subject: Rush items seen advertised Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 12:46:48 CDT I just received 2 mail order catalogs listing Rush items that people have asked about in recent issues of the NMS. Here's the information: Worldwide CD, P.O. Box 543, Villa Park, IL 60181 (708) 941-7619 has: CD singles: Roll The Bones/ Where's My Thing/ Superconductor/ It's a Rap Part 3 (Neil speaks) $8.00 Roll The Bones/ Anagram/ It's a Rap Part 2 (Geddy speaks) Hologram $11.00 Roll The Bones/ Tom Sawyer(Live)/ Spirit of Radio(Live) $11.00 Ghost Of A Chance/ Dreamline/ Chain Lightning/ Red Tide $11.00 VHS Video: Exit Stage Left $30.00 Check, money order, or credit card(Visa/MC) accepted, $3.50 shipping per order. CDC Co., 618 S. Northwest Hwy., Suite #120, Barrington, IL 60010 has: Live CDs: The Fly, New York, 1991 $25.00 Life Under Pressure, Pittsburgh, 1984 $25.00 Russian Roulette, Holland, 1979 $25.00 Enemies Within, Live from GUP tour $25.00 Currently In Vogue, U.S., 1987 $25.00 Spirit of St. Louis, 1980 $25.00 Check, money order, or credit card(Visa/MC) accepted, $3.50 shipping per order. I have no affiliation with either of these companies. I have bought things from Worldwide CD, and they seem to be OK. I have never ordered from CDC Co., but I suspect they are run by the same folks, because the mailing labels on the two catalogs are identical. John ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:52:00 +0000 From: "Robert (R.A.) Herrage" <herrage@bnr.ca> Subject: First Concert I first saw RUSH "on tour" for Hemispheres. April Wine was the opening band. That first album of theirs (AW) was pretty good. I'd never heard them before the concert and went out and bought the "ancient 8-track". I still have it (and, of all things, an 8-track player/recorder too). I was a junior in high school at the time. For those wondering why better bands don't open for RUSH, I've always thought that it was on purpose -- and not just for RUSH. Would you, being a headlining band, want some opening act to blow you away and have the fans talking more about them than you? I certainly wouldn't. I recall Van Halen's 1984 concert in Dallas; the "something Strawber- ries" or the "Strawberry somethings". Anyway, talk about terrible. The audience boo-ed them after practically every song and clapped when the finished. As far as my first introduction to RUSH, I posted one earlier this year. Since we've got so many new subscribers, I'll see if I can find it and repost it -- as long as rushmgr doesn't mind :) Rob ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 14:41:21 EDT From: Glen Reed <3TANVOZ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Vinnie Moore & 1st influence Rushppl -- First of all: I saw Vinnie Moore open for Rush on this last tour.... I saw them in Philly which is supposedly Mr. Moore's (and I use that term loosely) home town. And... he was essentially booed off the stage in his home town. Let's face facts... just about anyone who would be willing to open for Rush is not gonna be received with a great amount of exuberance.... Also... someone (I'm not skilled enough to mention _who_ or to get a direct quote, nor do I really care..) asked if everyone who likes Rush was influenced by either 2112 or... damn, now I can't remember what the "or" was (Tom Sawyer?) Anyway.. my point is that I for one was not influenced by either of those songs (though 2112 is prolly my fav now...) In fact, the first Rush song I heard was "Fly By Night," and that was only kinda in passing... In my senior yr. of HS, most of my friends were Rush fans (I wasn't really into all that much back then). Anyway, they convinced me to buy any Rush album, and being as cheap as I was (and still am), I got the cheapest one I could find, which just happened to be "Hemispheres." So.. well, I got hooked from that one.... You get the point - 2112 isn't Rush's only inspiration.... later.... --------- 3tanvoz@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu : Trroy on irc : "we've got mars on greed@chopin.udel.edu : (usually) : the horizon..." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 12:40:50 PDT From: changed%robotics.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Chang... Ed Chang.) Subject: The first time... > From: (Aaron White) <acw2@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> > P.P.S. To Terry, you're not the only one by-passing through the novels > written by some NMS subscribers. Also, ENOUGH ALREADY with the "first-time" > thread. I've had it !!! > From: Jeremy Weissenburger <07822@brahms.udel.edu> > Is it just me, or does everyone seem to have really gotten into Rush > because of either Tom Sawyer or 2112? Maybe only the people who got into Rush because of TS and 2112 are the ones who feel like they have to share their detailed accounts of it. "Hi, let me unload 90 lines of my childhood trivia about how I first heard 2112 in the back seat of my best friend's mom's Ford Pinto and was instantly hooked for life." But hey, if they want to post this crap (IMHO), and they want to read each other's accounts as an exercise in self-indulgence... let 'em. At least they're not beating the "bootleg" dead horse or asking if Neil really has brain cancer. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 17:01:40 -0400 From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: empty criticisms/the good old days... >>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===> danb@qsp.com >>>Daniel Benbenisty Guitarist for EARWURM Wrote: >New Rush = New Genesis = New Yes = New ELP (Black Moon) = New Metallica >= GARBAGE - These bands are just trying to make money, not music. Bahahahaha! >And even if there were similarities (gee, Rush and XXX both had drummers! >or gee, Rush and XXX both wrote about aliens!), they would pale beside >the total chameleon effect that Rush pulled in the 80's and 90's. >The only way you can distinguish new Rush from the rest of the pap >out there is from the occasional bass solo and Geddy's unique voice. >Their current composition is banal and boring. `Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, anyone could write and play the drum part to ``Show Don't Tell''. It's _so_ commercial, isn't it ripped off from Madonna's last album?' Give me a break! `And, I mean, the guitar solo in ``Chain Lightning'' is so _typical_, anyone can put a guitar solo on a track backwards and make it palatable to the masses, didn't that London School of Economics graduate and creative nonentity Jimi Hendrix do that?' Hahahaha. `I mean, if it's less than ten years old, it's _completely_ incestuous. Give me the good old days with all that music you could trip on...' How about some _specific_ criticisms, eh? >I don't care about >their current lyrics, since they are no longer emotionally connected to >the music. Perhaps you don't care about the lyrics because _you_ are no longer emotionally connected to the music. Perhaps you could say why that is. > If I want good lyrics alone, I'll buy some poetry. If >Peart wants, why doesn't he just publish a book of poems for $15.98? Because he writes _lyrics_, not poems. Gregg ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 17:23:16 -0400 From: jlang (~ Rush Fanatic ~) Subject: Elephants > >Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 20:20:57 CDT >From: richardr@stolaf.edu (Roman R Richardson) >Subject: Opening Bands / Closed Minds > > The bottom line is that you have to have a broad ear for music. Don't get >locked into one style/band 'cause you'll miss out on a lot of great music. > >Roman Agreed here. Nothing like being branded as listening to nothing but Rush. Too many times during flames in rec.music.misc/USENET, I get the impression people think Rush fans listen to nothing but Rush. One of the reasons for starting the NMS was the lack of content in a lot of the USENET flames (those who have been around know all about the famous Rush-bashing of Erland and other long time USENET favorites.) The stereotyping of Rush fans as nothing but avid listeners of Rush and nothing else became too much. The rest as they say is history. I encourage Rush fans to go out and explore some of the music out there. There is a lot of good music beyond Rush in your cd player and your headphones so get out there and Rock. >Date: 23 Sep 1992 11:14:29 -0500 (CDT) >From: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYES! <TBEAUDOIN@VAX1.UMKC.EDU> >Subject: Rush and Sha Na Na > > I remember reading once that Rush was only booed off the stage once.. >when they opened for Sha Na Na. I r4member a conversation / interview >with Alex abut (about) this. Doesn't that crack you up[???? > >Thomas Beaudoin This must have been a sight (not for Rush mind you, but just to see Rush beeing booed off). This was during the 1st American tour, not surprising, I'm sure Sha na na audiences probably weren't too impress with the Led Zep-likeness of "Working Man". I don't remember any interviews where they talked about that though, do you recall if it was a Rockline? or some other radio interview? >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:19:35 -0500 >From: merkel@ecn.purdue.edu (Eric J Merkel) >Subject: the 70's > >This made me start to think about the 70's and I guess as far as my taste >in music goes, was probably the most prolific era of quality music. >... Of course many of these bands have continued on through the 80's up >until today, but I feel like somehow the 'spirit' of the music has changed. Good point. I agree with you here, I think a lot of the spirit you mention is missing these days. Seems like music is moving towards other directions/horizons. Esp. for the groups you mentioned. We may not see any more epic songs/albums like Hemispheres any more, but I can certainly understand Rush's intentions to forge ahead and not try and put out the same stuff album after album. Don't want to become "boring old farts" as Geddy put it, although I would certainly welcome a change back to the 70's style of quality music. I doubt Neil would sit and write another epic album with the band though. They seem to be going completely away from that. It is sad that the "spirit" you mention seems to be absent these days in music.. What I would give to here another epic like Animals from Floyd, or 2112 from Rush..oh well. >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:41:07 PDT >From: qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Benbenisty) >Subject: Re: New thread for a fraying tapestry... > >All Right! Finally someone who wants to get into a good argument! You pose >an interesting point, but one that I will refute. While Rush emerged in an >era of progressive rock bands - perhaps even coming a little late on the >scene - this in itself is no grounds for dismissing their originally. On >the other hand, THEIR NEW SHIT SUCKS! (ahem) Support for these points follows: Oh boy! I can smell the flame-war about to start! {... lots of stuff deleted ...} Do you blame Rush for trying to go out and forge into new territories? One only has to listen to HYF to see what I'm talking about. To keep in the same direction year after year, album after album was something they did not want to get into, I can't say I blame them for trying new things, even though I would say I don't like some of the newer things done, I'd much rather hear Permanent Waves for example over HYF. But one can't dismiss the musician's desire to try different directions. Not to pick on HYF fans, I just felt with that particular album, it was a point in the road where you could sense the direction Rush was headed towards. After that, it was "back to basics" with Presto and more so with RTB. >New Rush = New Genesis = New Yes = New ELP (Black Moon) = New Metallica >= GARBAGE - These bands are just trying to make money, not music. Ah... another music listener who longs for the days of old prog rock. Maybe the concept of the missing "spirit" in music really does exist. Yet another who would opt to hear Hemispheres over more recent material like RTB. Perhaps too little of the many things Rush used to dwell in, time signatures, playing in different beats, little intricacies that used to blend one part of a song into a different section. Times change, and Rush along with the groups you mentioned above change too. Some think for the better, some think for worse, or if you're like me, some think it's just necessary. -Jimmy jlang@syrinx.umd.edu ----------------------------------------------------------
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