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The National Midnight Star, Number 296
Wednesday, 24 July 1991
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
Peart, Lifeson, cardboard packaging
RUSH party in Austin
Eco-paks
Tour....
Printing on Presto CD is upside down...
Rand & The Body Electric
intermitant rambling
RE: 07/19/91 - The National Midnight Star #293
New Album: Kerrang gives us the full scam!
Brave New World
Songs on Roll the Bones, Info on Columbia House Club
Gambling
(none)
Release date on Roll The Bones
CD packaging and NMS readers survey
Geddy's birthday
origins of 2112
Re: Rush pre-record Concerts?
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From: Editor, The National Midnight Star <rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu>
Subject: Administrivia
Well, it looks like I'll actually get more than one NMS out this week!
My home situation has stabilized enough to ensure I'll probably be coming
to work regularly, so there should be no long interruption in delivery.
As always, check your issue numbers to be sure. Also, there will be
champagne punch for issue #300 for those interested. :-)
We got another crossword puzzle, from the Signals tourbook (so the rest of
you can stop typing :-) ) - it'll come out as a special edition soon.
rush-mgr
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Subject: Peart, Lifeson, cardboard packaging
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 20:31:41 EDT
From: ddl683@csc.albany.edu
I thought that latest posted interview with Neil was pretty funny, actually.
He just takes the questions so _seriously__, when really, they're standard
music-magazine fare, nothing deep or personal. By the way, I thought his
vehement denial of "going back to the old days" was in reference to musical
style, not lyrical content.
My favourite interviews are always with Alex, or with the whole group.
There's a sense of warmth from Alex: towards himself, the other two,
the music, the fans. I think he has a good perspective... he
understands and enjoys the high regard in which fans hold the band,
but he doesn't get bogged down in the way that Neil seems to, with
privacy issues and integrity issues. There's always the sense that he
can work with it, go with the flow. I think he'd be the most
successful of the three in bands outside of Rush. Ever notice how
he's always the member who "fills out" the songs? -- after Neil's
lyrics, after Geddy's worked out music on keyboards or bass? I don't
think this makes him less of a talent, I think it shows how well he
can come up with great music for any situation, and sound unforced. I
hope the Gangster of Boats bit is an Alex bite.
On other, less flammable, subjects, the eco/digi-packs are truly a sad
sight to behold. The debate is not over packaging, damnit, because
the jewel box, and the e/d-packs, are PART OF THE ALBUM, one of the
things integral to the product you buy -- would you do without
_either_? In replacing the jewel box, you bring the more valuable
parts of the album much closer to destruction: the cover art, the
inner sleeve, and the disc itself. The environmental issue is an
utter red herring: the e/d-packs are LESS recyclable than jewel boxes.
Well, anyway, Working Man is playing and I'd better get back to work... :-)
Derek L.
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Date: 23 Jul 91 19:34:00 CDT
From: "KESHAV UTHURUSAMY" <keshav@zeus.unomaha.edu>
Subject: RUSH party in Austin
Hello all,
Well, I am (finally) moving to Austin this next month or so. If any of you
ppl in Tejas are interested in getting together for a RUSH/house-warming
party, let me know.
Anxiously awaiting 9.3.91!!!!
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1991 20:00:55 -0400
From: mike%beow.uucp%gatech.edu@mathcs.emory.edu (Mike Kazmierczak)
Subject: Eco-paks
>On Fri, 19 Jul 91, David Conley wrote:
>In response to Marshall_Robin's post to NMS #291; EcoPaks:
>
>My feeling is that EcoPaks are here to stay, and anything that can be
>done to replace those wretched hard plastic longboxes (which BTW most
>older Rush CD releases are packaged in) has my approval.
I concur...
> I don't enjoy the jewel box either: it is breakable, unsightly (ever notice
those
>scratches), and a terrible waste of plastic.
A waste of plastic. Geez. I'll bet you don't even know which polymer it is
produced from. That's the problem with eco-activists... (It's polystyrene, by
the way)
>Don't misunderstand me, I am not a flaming environmentalist. I do believe
>that the EcoPak is much more attractive and functional. I own Sting's
>Soul_Cages CD, and I enjoy the design of the packaging very much.
I have the Sting disc also, and I don't like the new design of the ECOpak. It
takes too many folds to get the damn thing out of the box, plus they don't
stack very uniformly on the shelf.
>The argument that the EcoPak is not durable and will rot is unfounded.
>Since the EcoPak is a new innovation, how does one know it will rot???
>The EcoPak is very much like the paperboard record sleeve. How many folks
>have record sleeves that have rotted??
I pretty much agree here, but I have had record sleeves mildew in reasonably
climate controlled conditions.
My suggestion: Get discs like most record clubs send them out. Shrink-wrapped
(or figure out a way to prove the buyer is the first to use it) jewel boxes.
Otherwise, I guess I'll have to stock up on jewel boxes before they are
outlawed
Mike Kazmierczak -- No quote, just spaces...
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Date: ,
Subject: Tour....
From: stum@basser.cs.su.oz.au!
Hi !
I was just wondering how excited people are getting about the
new album!! Seeing the list of songs gave me a heart-beat for a
minute!! Personally I have never had so much information about the
band, so I never used to know when an album was due so I could never
get excited!! Anyway...
By some MIRACLE from the God above I may have an opportunity
to come to New Jersey for a conference in Nov (13-15). Living in
Australia, I'd more or less given up seeing RUSH live for dead as
I can't afford the money now, and they won't be around for much
longer...BUT because this is an Academic Conference I can get some
money from the Uni and from my work (I'll sweet talk them!)
Sooo...could some one pls write and say they KNOW RUSH are touring
in November?? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! If they are NOT I'll chop
my own head off.
Enough for now though.
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From: stedmant@LONEX.RADC.AF.MIL (Terrance A. Stedman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 22:38:59 EDT
Subject: Printing on Presto CD is upside down...
The side printing on my Presto CD is upside down which means I have
to turn the disc completely around in my display case so the writing matches
all my other discs. Surely I'm not the only one, but has Atlantic fixed
this yet?
Terry Stedman Internet: stedmant@lonex.radc.af.mil
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 23:52:34 EDT
From: Todd Fantz <fantz@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Subject: Rand & The Body Electric
Well... 1st of all the bit about Rand mentioning a Robot does come
in her discussion of Ethics, but I don't think it has anything to
do with the song. Rand said that an indestructable robot would not
need an ethical system because nothing it did would have any effect
on it. This is in contrast to human beings who have a specific nature
that requires them to take actions to maintain their life and to
gain whatever values they desire. Happiness being the big one. i.e.
because humans have the possiblity of existence or non-existence of
living (i.e. self supporting action) or dying, of happiness or misery,
they need an ethical system. That's the whole point.
Secondly, yeah OK the "green cards" are a bit annoying after
a while, but Rand's ideas are not very popular and any chance that
ARI has to get in contact with someone they ought to take.
As an example of how well Rand's ideas are being taken...
The Seattle Public School system has banned the discussion of The
Fountainhead essay contest. They said it was "too extreme". ARI
sponsores an essay contest worth $5000 every year. All you have to
do is read the book an write an essay. Ideas count, and the people
who run the world know it.
I consider "The Body Electric" to be a song about Epistemology,
specifically Objectivist Epistemology, the formation of concept etc.
I may post a line by line reasoning of why I think so when I have the
time. I don't claim that Neil wrote it to mean that, but that's what I
get out of it.
tf
fantz@athena.cs.uga.edu
"I hope I stand for anti-bigotry, anti-Semitism, anti-racism.
This is what drives me..."
George Bush
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Subject: intermitant rambling
From: pants@darkside.com (Jeff Pants)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 20:44:43 PDT
here's a list of the rush albums I listen to most freqently(I rarely just
listen to just one song, I listen to the whole album).
1) A Show Of Hands
2) Presto(I will always start off with the Pass, I love that song)
3) Permanent Waves: A work of art
4) Moving Pictures: Same goes for this
5) Exit- I almost never listen to Broons Bane, The Trees and Xanadu by
themselves, I always start off with BB and listen all the way through to
Xanadu.
My Presto Tour Boot
Those aren't in any special order, and it doesn't mean that I don't
listen to any other albums. Those are just what I have been listening to
lately(always subject to change without notice!)
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"I am born.....I am me.....I am New. I am free...."--Rush, Fountain Of
Lamneth--
Does anyone else out there get a big huge rush whenever you listen to
Show Don't Tell? Just wondering....
Also, Does anyone know when that Buddy Rich tribute somethin' kind of
video with Neil In it comes out? I heard he is doing some soloing on it.
later. Matt
"look in, to the eye of the storm. Look out, for the force without form.
Look around, at the sight and sound...Look in, look out look
around.....YEAH!!"-Music by Lee, Lifeson. Lyrics by Peart-
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Date: 23 Jul 91 08:58:00 EST
From: "engle" <engle@afgl-vax.af.mil>
Subject: RE: 07/19/91 - The National Midnight Star #293
I would like to thank Robert Bisbee for the BMG info (the email I
sent to you bounced back). I have a question though- why is ASOH listed
as a double CD set when I've seen it in the stores as one CD?? I'd like to
order it, but if they are going to say it's two CDs when really it's only one,
then I'll just buy it in a store.
Any clues??? If the order number was a typo then many people made the
same error...
Kim
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 14:05:49 BST
From: ano@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian N Ogden)
Subject: New Album: Kerrang gives us the full scam!
The latest issue of Kerrang gives the following news about the
new album. (If this has been posted already I apologise: we had
a disc crash on our mail server so I missed a few issues.)
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Canadian techno-kings RUSH release a new album, "Roll The Bones",
through Atlantic in early September.
Produced by Rupert Hine, it features the following tracks:
"Dreamline", "Bravado", "Roll The Bones" (which is the first Rush
track ever to feature a rap section!), "Face Up", "Where's My Thing?"
(an instrumental), "Big Wheel", "Heresy", "Ghost Of A Chance",
"Neurotica", "You Bet Your Life".
Commenting on the album, Neil Peart said: "This record was so enjoyable
to make, and the process so satisfying that suddenly we feel a new
conviction, a sense of rebirth."
Rush will tour the US to coincide with the release, and plan some UK
shows next March.
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A Rush song featuring A RAP SECTION???!!! What is this, The Revenge
Of The Sampled Tom Sawyer? :-) Whatever, it sounds very interesting:
I'm starting to expect big things of this album.
As for the UK tour... I'll be there at least two nights, maybe more!
<< Adrian Ogden _ . _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . ano@uk.ac.rdg.cs.csres >>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1991 9:39:07 CDT
From: MTS0028@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (Presto!)
Subject: Brave New World
Howdy Ya'll Rush Fans out there...
Just thought I'd share this with you, for anyone who is interested.
I just finished reading the book _Brave New World_ by Aldous Huxley
and, as an avid Rush fan, noticed that the whole concept of the book,
especially evident in the latter half, is remarkably 2112-like.
The opression by a ruling elite and stomping out of the ways of the old.
Literature is the main focus of 'distraction' (like music is in 2112)
and one of the characters attempts to bring back the writings of olde.
It is really hard for me to say much about the book 'cause I don't want
to give away too much for those who might be interested in reading it.
One thing I will say is that it is an excellent book for recreational reading
and if you have a chance, give it a try. Amazingly, it was written in 1932
and much of the technology that is described in the book is very recent or
just now being developed. Take for instance the main mode of transportation...
a plane that rises like a helicopter then the rotors are disengaged and the
propeller engaged and it flies like a normal plane. That is in the forefront
of modern Aerospace engineering...60 years later!
Well, I digress, but do give this book a go round if you get a chance.
Mark Snedecor
Texas A&M University
p.s. [RUSH-MGR] It seems that nobody has challenged my story of the Rush
concert delay due to Frank Sinatra posted several weeks ago (or I
missed it), but then again, noone seems to verify it either. Well,
unless my memory has failed me completely, that is what I remember
happening.
Off to bed...have not slept in quite some time.
ORQ: "THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU...GOODNIGHT!!!" Ged-man
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From: "Reidar Bjorhovde" <bjorh1@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Subject: Songs on Roll the Bones, Info on Columbia House Club
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 10:56:16 EDT
Hello, all...
Shane P. Faulkner sent in a list of songs yesterday (07/23/91)
For Roll the Bones:
But there are 11 tracks. Our good pal, RUSH-HEAD (?) sent us
the word saying that there were 10 tracks.
Anyone got any bright ideas, or is the 11th track something like
"Force Ten" ? (Maybe it should be called "Force Eleven")
Also, does anyone out there know what Rush CD's COLUMBIA HOUSE's
club has to offer?
I know that BMG has 2112, Presto, ASOH, and Chron.
Thanks-
Ian D. Bjorhovde
bjorh1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 11:14:00 EST
Subject: Gambling
From: DSchmidt.311@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov!
There are several song titles on _Roll the Bones_ that point to
betting and gambling:
Roll the Bones (craps)
The Big Wheel (roulette) (The Big Money?????)
Ghost of a Chance
You Bet Your Life
Could be the Album's theme...
-Dave Schmidt
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 13:23:25 BST
From: CP_PWM%CMS.BRISTOL.AC.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Hi,
Glad to see so many people appreciated my comparison between Rush &
Howard Roark. There are a lot more parallels to be drawn between Rush
and the characters in Ayn Rand's other novel, Atlas Shrugged, too. So
I'd highly recommend AS as good Rush background reading as well.
In reply to some of the questions that have been asked recently in NMS:
1) I've read a fair number of Ayn Rand's books, but have never heard of
this indestructible robot story?
2) The Prisoner is an old British Sci-fi/thriller series that was made
in the 1960s. It is about a Secret Service agent (eg. a James Bond
figure) who tries to retire, but the 'establishment' won't let him.
They capture him and put him in to camp called the 'Village', which
is filled with other such inmates. The village is very surreal, full
of odd buildings, with the only form of transport being bicycles
with canopies. The 'police' are giant inflatable beach balls which
are robotically controlled from a central office.
All the prisoners are given numbers. Our hero is no.6. The controller
of the site is no.2, and if I remember it correctly, our hero spends
many episodes trying to find out who is actually in command, ie. who
is no.1. The main point is that the Village is designed to totally
depersonalise the prisoners, remove all their sense of identity
and individuality, and generally suppress any feelings of rebellion.
It reminded me very much of the world in 'Anthem', although a lot
more surreal.
In the 60s in Britain the series was considered so extraordinary
(after all we were used to Peyton Place & Star Trek), that no-one
watched it. Gradually it gained cult status, mainly amongst students
and intellectualls, who'd have 'Prisoner parties' to try &
understand exactly what the series was trying to say. When the series
was repeated a few years back, it was watched by millions...
obviously today's more sophisticated audience werre more receptive to
its message (whatever it was...).
As a point of interest, Iron Maiden have done 2 songs about the
series: 'The Prisoner' on the 'Number of the Beast' album, and 'Back
to the Village' off 'Powerslaves'.
I have a poster of Rush at home on my wall which is just a head &
shoulders shot of the 3 boyz. Neil is in the middle, looking
myserious as usual, and wearing a Prisoner badge showing the canopied
bicycle with a no.6 on it. It doesn't surprise me that Neil was/is
a fan of the series.
To any of you who haven't seen it, give it a try, but be prepared
to be baffled. It's one of the most extraordinary series ever made
for TV and still provokes controversy today.
"swimming against the stream"
Paul May, University of Bristol, UK
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Philip M. Simon" <ps3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Release date on Roll The Bones
Hello-
I have checked all the record stores around, and not one
has any information about the release date on RTB. I know
that someone on NMS posted that the date was early September,
but should mainstream music stores have at least a clue?
Anyone heard anything?
Phil
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 10:32:56 -0700
From: David Conley <dmc@u.washington.edu>
Subject: CD packaging and NMS readers survey
mike%beow.uucp%gatech.edu@mathcs.emory.edu (Mike Kazmierczak)
writes in NMS issue #294 re: jewelboxes ::
>A waste of plastic. Geez. I'll bet you don't even know which polymer it is
>produced from. That's the problem with eco-activists... (It's polystyrene, by
>the way)
Gee, I'll bet you are right!!! We can't all be organic chem majors
fer cryin' out loud!!!! (psuedo smiley added :-) ) I don't
understand your point. :-(
Oh, and lets get this straight: I am NOT an eco-activist!
My point about CD's in general, and why I would like to see the
jewel box done away with:
Since I am one of the elder members of the NMS (the over 30 crowd)
[ You old fart, you! :-) :rush-mgr ]
I can fondly remember the days when there were no CD's and you
wandered down to the record store and bought an album. You threw
it on the turntable and opened up the album sleeve gatefold and read
the lyrics, stories, acknowledgements, etc. (of course providing the
album had these things).
Albums had character and style. To me, the generic jewel box
de-personalizes the whole thing. It's a crying shame the way some
of the Rush albums have been "packaged" for CD. Case in point:
2112. I feel sorry for anyone who does not own the 2112 album.
As far as convenience is concerned: true, the jewel box is handy.
You can take it with you to the car, etc. But don't tell me its
not a pain to take those tiny inserts out of the jewel box so
that you can squint at the lyrics sheet, if they have one. And
the art work is a very poor "reproduction" of the album design,
to me the colors are washed out and they lack that gloss and sheen.
Again, look at the 2112 CD insert or AFTK or Moving Pictures, etc.
I would like to see CD containers become mini-album sleeves if you
will. Bring back the art and design element.
Pardon me for getting sentimental!! :-)
Quick note for the Rush-mgr: Are you still toying with the idea
of distributing a NMS readers survey, you know age, occupation, etc.?
This would certainly be quite interesting!!
Cheers,
Dave
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Subject: Geddy's birthday
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 14:59:50 EDT
From: Chris Briggs <briggs@ksgbbs.harvard.edu>
I'll put it this way. Every year on July 29, radio stations
around here say it's Geddy's birthday and play lots of Rush,
not that they need a reason.
-cb
"Eyes cast down on the path of least resistance."
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Philip M. Simon" <ps3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: origins of 2112
Just a few thoughts on 2112. I had always wondered why
Rush chose that particular year. I have heard the 1812
references (i.e. overture, three canon shots symbolizing
three centuries, etc.), but still I thought about it. Then,
with all the hype and controversy about Geddy's birthday, I
discovered something, which may indeed be a conicidence.
As I'm sure everybody knows, Neil's Birthday is the ninth of
September (9/12/62?). While looking at the tourbook for HYF,
it hit me. Maybe 9/12 was converted to 9:12 which is, as we
all know, 21:12 or 2112. Or maybe...
Neil joined the band on Ged's 21st birthday. Neil's is the 12th.
21+12=2112? Just a few thoughts?
so does this make sense?
Phil
[ At this point, I'm tempted to say "get a ... oh, never mind." :-)
:rush-mgr ]
"Attention all planets of the Solar Federation
We have assumed control."
The Professor
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 17:10:28 EDT
From: tegra!msaleski@uunet.UU.NET (Mark Saleski)
Subject: Re: Rush pre-record Concerts?
Dave Schmidt asks...
>
> BTW: I saw Yes here in D.C. on Saturday, and it was quite a show!
> Does anyone know the name of the last song they played before the
> encore? It was over 20 minutes long and Chris Squire was playing a
> Triple-Neck...
>
I wasn't at the DC show but I did see them in Worcester, MA earlier this
year. They played a long tune (gee, aren't most of them long??!) before
the encores...it's called "Awaken" and it's from Going For The One
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