The National Midnight Star #215

Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list Subject: 04/16/91 - The National Midnight Star #215
** ____ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ** ** / /_/ /_ /\ / /__/ / / / / /\ / /__/ / ** ** / / / /__ / \/ / / / / /__/ / \/ / / /___ ** ** ** ** __ ___ ____ ** ** /\ /\ / / \ /\ / / / _ /__/ / ** ** / \/ \ / /___/ / \/ / /___/ / / / ** ** ** ** ____ ____ ___ ___ ** ** /__ / /__/ /__/ ** ** ____/ / / / / \ ** The National Midnight Star, Number 215 Tuesday, 16 April 1991 Today's Topics: 2112 ASOH price and Neil Drum TRix the party.. Bending Chime Notes and FM as an opening act Re: The Trees Tubular Bell Bend Rush on the radio guitar synth Re: drum-rolls Hello Fellow Rush Fans King Biscuit CD's -- Tape. Rivers and cities in Necromancer More 2112... Apple plays RUSH Stupid question? Hand Over Fist pattern The Fixx the trees Guitar Questions Neil flips in "The Weapon" police whistle Re: 04/15/91 - The National Midnight Star #213 "The Trees" interpretation The Trees ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 18:06:16 EDT From: John Nicholson <U7667JN%DOEER.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: 2112 FROM: John Nicholson In issue 212, somebody brought up the fact that they thought the ending of the sone was a tragedy. I agree, but for a different reason. I always interpreted it as him not being able to bear life anymore and committing suicide, as the writer does, but then I thought that the tragedy was that he did this before (no time period specified) the Elder Race returned to "claim the home where they belong". The Elder Race then makes the broadcast to the pilots of the Solar Federation that "We have assumed control." This seems to make more sense to me than having some kind of solar system-wide broadcast from the Priests to all pilots of the Solar Federation saying that the one person who might have rebelled against them is now dead. I see it as a tremendous tragedy that he couldn't hold on long enough and just secretly rebel until his opportunity to see his dream come true came. _____________________________________________________________________________ John Nicholson | "I will choose a purpose clear- U7667JN@DOEER.BITNET | I will choose free will." ****************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ASOH price and Neil Drum TRix Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 18:38:36 EDT From: David.Spencer@samba.acs.unc.edu! Just my input--I got ASOH for 2.95$ from BMG music club... And on drum tricks...no, whoever said most "chuckleheaded" heavy metal artists play stick games, and just tune into mtv to see.. Wrong...It has been a long time since I saw a metal artist on MTV. Pop/Hard Rock, yes...a little bit of good stuff, but most of it is Warrant/Winger/We can make noises with guitars type bands.. No Metal. :) (imho) _dave "What better way to demoralize, when your own children are your spies" --Anthrax "1001001 SOS..." -_Rush ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 19:33:43 EDT From: tbear <betsey@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: the party.. If anyone from the greater NYC area is going to the party on (I think) the 18th and can give me a lift, please let me know. I will be happy to help w/ gas, etc. [ You might want to make clear *which* party you're talking about - there are two afoot currently. :rush-mgr ] Thanks! /tbear <betsey@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> OBRQ: Now's the time to take the time while hope is still in sight Let us not go gently to the endless winter night --"Red Tide" "I think that God's got a sick sense of humor And when I die, I expect to find him laughing" --Depeche Mode, "Blasphemous Rumors" ---------------------------------------------------------- From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca Date: 15 Apr 91 16:59 -0500 Subject: Bending Chime Notes and FM as an opening act >X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.1 10/31/90) In yesterday's NMS Nick Pitfield <ntp@oasis.icl.stc.co.uk> elaborates about the British band FM. In Canada they're known as FM UK. Although Nick is correct in his assessment of the band, I stand by my affirmation that the Toronto band FM is the one that opened for Rush - I can look through "Visions" and some other interviews for confirmation. FM modelled themselves somewhat on Rush in that they were a three piece (since expanded) who played many instruments at a time. ALso, I think FM opened for Rush in the late 70's/early 80's which I think predates the British band but puts the TO band in their prime. Lance Neustaeter asked about a tubular bell sound that is struck and then the pitch bends down. The easiest way to do this that I can think of is to put it through a delay unit with analog controls. As the "echo" goes through, turn the knob in the direction to slow the repeats down. The pitch of the echo will decrease somewhat proportionally. I think in Xanadu the bell is actually echoed, isn't it? Some might have thought it was being struck 5 or 6 times, when it's actually struck once and the rest are echoes. I haven't seen bells with a wiggle stick on them, but Irving Berlin had a capo on his piano and played everything in F#, using mechanics to change keys. I could be wrong - maybe it wasn't Berlin. -- Kerry Yackoboski <yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca> The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory in the Cellar U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 16:55:18 PDT From: degennar%bmsr9.usc.edu@usc.edu (Raymond Degennaro) Subject: Re: The Trees Kinda busy (so this will be a little rough) but really I need a break and here's a good excuse. In TMNS #213, Lara J Allen (lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com) brought up _The_Trees_. This is the first time its being discussed since I've subscribed, so I too hope we ain't beatin' a dead horse. Anyway, I feel _The_Trees_ is a satire based on the ideas expressed by Ayn Rand. The story stems from "All men are CREATED equal." Which is often shortened to, "All men are equal," which isn'y quite the same thing. In the song, you have two groups. One (the oaks), have done well, the other (the maples) have also prospered, but look to the oaks and feel slighted. Eventhough they may be taller than many of the plants in the forest, the maples blame the oaks for being taller than they are. The maples are not concerned with their progress. Nor do they concider that they may have advanced to the limit of their ability; their only concern is that the oaks are taller. In other words, they are relieing on others to be a measure of their self-worth. The philosophy is that it isn't fair that the oaks have accomplished more and this bothers the maples. So instead of trying to improve themselves or being content with what they have accomplished, the maples want the oaks held back. The satire comes in because the law they passed is a noble law. How can you speak proudly of a law that if one rises above his brothers, he is killed? Ayn Rand was a proponent of egoism and pride in excellence back when communism was en vouge; all the well educated people saw it benefits, and if you dissagreed, you must not be well educated. When _The_Trees_ was written, America (and most likely Canada too) was at the height of oppressive affirmative action and teaching at the pace of the slowest student. This I remember experiencing. At this time, my youngest brother was in kindergarden. He was one of a few students that could read. The students that could read often finished an assignment before the teacher finihsed explaining the instructions to the other students. His teacher felt that it wasn't fair to the other students, so he wasn't allowed to read. After the parents, of the kids that could read, spoke with her, her response was to black out the instructions on the assignments before copying them for the students (Ralph, do you remember this?). The real scarry thing is that this is comming back again. This time it being called, being "Politically Correct." Anybody out there from Brown, University of Michigan or Santa Monica College? You'll know what I'm talking about. There was a good article in _Time_Magazine_ about this. It was two or three issues ago, and I'll post the exact reference once I find it. Well, I think I'll get off the soap box and back to modelling upper airway resistance. Send flames to: ray@mensa.usc.edu ORQ: What you own is your own kingdom, what you do is your own glory. What you love is your own power, what you live is you own story. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 19:55 EDT From: HAFSIMMI RAFSANPAJAMMI <S3SIJDP%SAE.TOWSON.EDU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Tubular Bell Bend If I'm not mistaken the tubular bell did not 'bend' in the live version of Xanadu. (You can correct me if I'm wrong.) The bend is a studio trick, which explains why they didn't do it live. It can be done easily with a pitch-shifter and an echo. First the sound is routed through an echo device and then just the echo is rerouted into the pitch shifter again and again so it lowers in pitch each time it goes through. Or in the case of Cygnus X-1 the pitch goes up, but it's the same thing. Many multi-effects units have that feature built in nowdays but I'm not sure if there was anything like that available back in the 70's. If not, it could have been done by using a reel to reel tape deck and progressively speeding up or slowing down the deck while using a tape loop. If you want more, check out Arriving UFO on Tormato by Yes. Chris Squire uses it on his bass. -Charles Grogan ******WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE****** The guitar synth on Hemispheres. Anybody? ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 00:25:24 GMT From: trice@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Tony R. Rice) Subject: Rush on the radio Hello fellow RUSH fanatics Thought I would toss in my $.02 on the topic of Rush on the radio. Down here at Virginia Tech the local rock station is Rock 105 FM. They play Rush constantly! They will play a Rush request without batting an eyelid. Lots of good music comming from the station. Back home in Northern Virginia, the album rock-type station is DC101 FM. They play Rush occasionaly. Never more than the latest single or Tom Sawyer but its a start. They are very good about giving the trio a good amount of air-play when a new album comes out or a concert is comming up. One would tend to wonder why these stations play more music from artists who have never sold out a show and less of groups like Rush with a tremendous following and a great sellout rate. Hmmmmmm. Long live the trio -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. Tony R. Rice Virginia Tech Department (trice@vttcf.cc.vt.edu) of Computer Science and Sleep Deprivation Studies -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 19:26:37 -0500 From: rjf@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Robert J. Friedman III) Subject: guitar synth Hey David! Okay! Enough already! I figured someone else would answer this a long time ago and I'm getting a little irritated (am I the only one on this list that plays guitar synth?)... Just before the vocals in "Cygnus, bringer of balance" there are some soft slow attack synth chords (which are guitar synth). These chords continue throughout the intro until the change of tempo in the song ("then all at once the ...). As far as I can tell this is the only place the guitar synthesizer is used on the whole album. The other synth sounds are all typical Moog sounds. The only place in live performance a guitar synth could have been used is the aforementioned. The other synth voices were probably triggered via Taurus pedals (but don't quote me, that was a little before my time :-). Take care all! -Bob Friedman BTW, I think that "not blue" stresses that the "soviets are the blues" and not what we should be concerned with/afraid of. ORQ "Sometimes our big splashes are just ripples in the pool." ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: drum-rolls Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 20:37:37 EDT From: comehome@wam.umd.edu Robert, I was refering to _only_ fills. I think it is a more accurate way to judge a drummers style since all drummers are apt to play a roll once in a while. In fills, however, most drummers use only the mechanics they are most comfortable w/so as not to throw off the band. Hope I was more clear ( <== is that clear?) this time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "What you believe is what you are..." | Neal A. Dillman "If you choose not to decide, | Internet: comehome@wam.umd.edu you still have made a choice" | comehome@jolt.emg.umd.edu "Trust is just as rare as devotion." | Snailmail: 6134 Ellicott Hall "we fight the fire... | University of Maryland while feeding the flames" | College Park, Maryland 20742 * RUSH * | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 21:14:16 EST From: UK04243@ukpr.uky.edu Subject: Hello Fellow Rush Fans Hi..This is my first posting to the NMS. I've been a RUSH fan for a long time. I became interested in RUSH while playing percusson in band. Yes, everyone who plays drums knows Neil Peart is God :-). In fact I got a poster from Modern Drummer of Neil standing behind his set, it's like the picture from the Presto tour book. Every morning i wake up, face the poster and bow (just kidding). I was happy to learn of this network since i've had lots of questions about the band. I spent the first two weeks reading back issues trying to catch up with the current disusssion. One thing I have noticed was that in the "most asked questions" digest, one book is missing. I found a few years ago a Lyrics book complete with the piano parts for many of the popular songs as recent as Moving Pictures. I will dig this book up from my stacks and post the Name, publisher, etc.. I found it in a local record store where that keep the sheet music. I was surprised to find it in Lexington (Ky.), Many of the record stores around here only sell the latest album (what a sin). I am also keeping three or four friends up to date since they don't have access to a computer account. One of my friends has a very interesting theory about the order of songs at their concerts. He claims that the first song in concert is determined by the first song on the album after the last live album (or somthing like that), I will ask him again. [ Nope. They opened with "The Spirit of Radio" for the tours for _Moving Pictures_ through _Power Windows_, then switched to "The Big Money" for the HYF tour, then "Force Ten" for the _Presto_ tour. At least here. :rush-mgr ] Also, I have learned that "YYZ" is pronounced "YYZed"? can anyone conferm this? [ The Canadians and English (possibly others, Australian?) pronounce the letter "Z" as "Zed". That's just the way they talk... :rush-mgr ] Also, just a short comment, after the Challenger Explosion in '86(?) I remember playing "Countdown". After talking to some other Rush fans from around here, they also said that they played that song during the following days after the accident. I'm sure others did too. Well, In closing, I glad I finally found some other Rush fans. Seems like Lexington is kind of short of them. Till Later........ Mark Anders University of Kentucky UK04243@UKPR.UKY.EDU ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 20:30:00 EST From: mailrus!iuvax!ALWAYS.CONSTANT@uunet.UU.NET, Subject: King Biscuit CD's -- Tape. $250 sounds way to steep for one C.D. no matter what's on it. I taped this King Biscuit show when it was on Q95, and if anybody wants a copy we might be able to work out a deal. :> This tape also has "Finding My Way/In The Mood" which is pretty neat. For the debating that was going on last month, Geddy definately sings "I drank 12 beers" on this tape instead of "I lost count of the years." I thought that was pretty cool. Later. Josh Vaughn ---------------------------------------------------------- From: vkamutzk@ccs.carleton.ca (Victor Kamutzki) Subject: Rivers and cities in Necromancer Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 23:18:42 EDT |] >Anyone know the name of the river the "Three travellers" follow in "The |] >Necromancer"? |] >I think that's the only word in the whole song I can't |] >understand.... |] |] I could never figure it out either. But it's such a minor thing. Is it: |] |] (1) "Fording the river Dawn..." or |] (2) "Fording the river at dawn..." Ooof. You slay me! But you're not from around here, so I'll forgive you. The Don River runs through The City (Toronto, that is--up here we like to call it The City because the rest of Canada is just a big suburb of Toronto, right? All you other Canadians can vouch for me on this one, right? :-) ) from north to south, emptying into Lake Ontario slightly east of the downtown core. Therefore, it is "Fording the River Don". |] The voice is distorted too badly for me to be certain. I'm sure of it. |] Also, while we're on the subject, is it "men of Willowdell" (which sounds |] more Tolkienesque) or "men of Willowdale" (which I think is an actual |] Ontario city)? Willowdale. It's sort of the north-eastern corner of Metropolitan Toronto. Funny how The City keeps showing up, isn't it? Where did you say this band of yours was from? :-) :-) /-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-\ \ "A spectre so violent in its views lies impervious altitude / / Has a tendancy under pressure to reveal its identity..." \ \ -Skinny Puppy / /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ Disclaimer/Threat: If anybody else tries to take responsibility for my / / opinions, I'll SUE the little &^%$^&&^#!!! \ \ -Victor Kamutzki <vkamutzk@ccs.carleton.ca> / /-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-\ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: snarkboy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Snarkboy!) Subject: More 2112... Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 23:41:48 WET DST Baron von Phil: You suggested that the man in 2112 should have played for the people of the land before going to the Priests. Nice thought, but he had a supreme trust in the Priests. He thought that they would be amazed, that they would revere his name forever, that would bring great changes to the gloom of the land. Alas, the power-hungry Priests wished to keep a "stable" and "calm" land -- they didn't need music, new thoughts, or individualism to screw up their plans. Just some thoughts.... -- Snark! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: snarkboy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Snarkboy!) Subject: Apple plays RUSH Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 23:46:09 WET DST Is your CD player perhasp not good enough? Well, here's something worse! Not too much worse, but kinda neat. A friend of mind has an Apple //gs and has been gathering some sound files for it. So far, in the RUSH line, he has one called "Scars" and "Limelight" and one other that I don't recall... if you have a GS and want to use it, mail me... (snarkboy@gnu.ai.mit.edu) I think it uses Sonix or Hyperstudio or something... (You can add, remove, edit each sound, etc... remove vocals, add vocals... mix all... pretty good prog.) Anyways.... -- Snark! "Seven deadly sins, seven ways to win, Seven holy paths to Hell, and your trip begins." -Iron Maiden. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 23:02:05 CDT From: Escherichia coli <rio@buhub.bradley.edu> Subject: Stupid question? I was wondering... who is the background vocalist in "Time Stand Still"? A friend of mine says it's the chick from Til Tuesday... but I don't have the liner notes so I'm not sure. What's her name? [ How about the immediate-response-method? It's Aimee Mann, of Til Tuesday. :rush-mgr ] e-mail preferred. * Liz! @>---->----- --+*+-- rio@buhub.bradley.edu * * "Can't stop the world, --+*+-- iatiles@heartland.bradley.edu * * Why let it stop you?" -Go-Go's --+*+-- an234@cleveland.freenet.edu * ---------------------------------------------------------- From: ez003211@deneb.ucdavis.edu (Basil Fawlty) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 21:52:39 -0700 Subject: Hand Over Fist pattern Help! I am in need of assistance! I cannot locate a book with drum transcriptions from Presto (and yes, I know there's probably one out there). Any of you drummers with good hearing or anyone with the book, please tell me this: In "Hand Over Fist" when Geddy sings "I feel my spirit resist, but I open up my fist..." there is a highhat/cymbal pattern Neil is playing that I cannot figure out. I am not very good with figuring out how to play something from a song unless I have the transcription. It took the "Chronicles" video to make me figure out that in the intro for Red Barchetta Neil plays an open highhat at the same time as a cymbal (kinda obscure, though, isn't it?). Anyway, help on this would be greatly appreciated. Yoav Tone_Deaf Gershon ygershon@ucdavis.edu (UNIX) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 23:51:19 MDT From: Mark S. <mserda@hydra.unm.edu> Subject: The Fixx I was curious as to see how many here have heard of the Fixx. I think they are a great band myself. Basically I brought them up because I never hear them mentioned on any mailing lists that I am on. Also I wanted to hear if anyone knows when they are planning to tour here. I'd appreciate the info. Thanks. Mark S. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 08:44:58 EDT From: John Nicholson <U7667JN%DOEER.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: the trees FROM: John Nicholson In NMS #213, Lara Allen writes: >...do they think that the honorable law of axes and saws is truly honorable? >should the oaks have their come uppance? or should the maples just survive >the way they are? This song has always bothered me a little. It would seem like, since the oaks and maples can't agree on the terms for mutual existence, the song is advocating some kind of external government. This does seem to go against the Randian/"Free Will" philosophy that they usually espouse. (However, I am NOT a Randian expert. Those of you who are, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (not that you wouldn't anyway)) Does anyone know if there is a particular significance to the Maple/Oak antagonism? Is Canada the Maple? And, if so, who is the Oak? _____________________________________________________________________________ | Insert your own pithy and applicable quote John Nicholson | here 'cause I can't think of one right now. U7667JN@DOEER.BITNET | ***************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 09:25:00 EST Subject: Guitar Questions From: DSchmidt.311@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov! Does anyone out there know how to play the end part of Alex's solo on "The Trees"? You know, the fast riff down the neck that ends in the G/D/A chords. Also, how about the chords at the start of "War Paint"? How's that for a progressive interest in Rush's music? -Alex Lifeson Fan ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 11:08:52 EDT From: pakman@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Pakman ) Subject: Neil flips in "The Weapon" Someone mentioned that Neil primarily performs stick flips during non-musical passages. What about "The Weapon"? If you'll recall, he has integrated a casual, but fairly difficult flip into the verse section of this song. The rhythm is not particularly easy as is, and the flip makes it just that much harder. David Pakman University of Pennsylvania ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1991 09:29 MST From: "Eric Kay (303) 499-7577" <KAY_E@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU> Subject: police whistle This has already been discussed, but EXACTLY where in DEW is this sampled "police whistle" sound? If someone could provide the exact time(s) from a CD player's display it would be hugely appreciated. thanx- Eric Kay ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 04/15/91 - The National Midnight Star #213 From: dave.bbs@shark.cs.fau.edu (David Edward Weiss) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 13:23:20 EDT some answers: 1) to the person who asked about funny stories involving concert events: at the Miami Arena show on the "Presto" tour, Geddy's bass went *way* out of tune, and at the opening of "The Pass", took it off and traded it for his Rick. the roadie re-tuned it during the song, and when Geddy turned around to get his Steinberger back, he saw two Playboy Bunnies carrying it out on stage. he was shocked. he retaliated though -- he stomped on the sound board on that side during his next bass solo. 2) the correct spelling (from "The Necromancer") is:\ "Willowdale" - this is a suburb of Toronto. 3) to the person who asked if they were influenced by the Beatles: they did a cover (from Beatles VI) called "Bad Boy" once or twice. does this answer your question? and now, i have a question: what is said at the vvery beginning of "Witch Hunt"? there is some murmuring, and it sounds kinda like: "[can't figure it out].... Rush in Ft. Lauderdale" am i close? dangerous dave (also looking for musicians in So. FL) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- why don't piranha attack [insert your favorite religious/ethnic/racial group here] lawyers? professional courtesy! purity test score results: 17.3% (12/90) 1,000 ques. version weissd@tuna.cs.fau.edu (UNIX site, Gary Moore fan club address) dave.bbs@shark.cs.fau.edu (discrete, datsicily) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 13:34:30 CDT From: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell) Subject: "The Trees" interpretation In the previous NMS Lara J Allen asks: > the trees is such a fascinating allegory...i know that the band > feels one way or the other on it, but for the life of me > i can't decide which it is. I think the message is clearly that equality is a destructive goal. How can it be good if everyone is worse off than before? Also, at the time that "The Trees" was written, Neil was still writing Objectivist (i.e. Ayn Rand inspired) lyrics. At first I saw the song as an analogy for labor/management relations. But, now I think it is a more apt analogy for race relations and civil rights legislation, the hatchet. Without disecting the lyrics in detail, I've always liked the way the instrumental interlude of the two voices battling back and forth follows the (lyical) setup and just preceeds the final catastrophe. ----Ervan Darnell ---------------------------------------------------------- From: cfabrams@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: The Trees Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 15:09:25 EDT In NMS #213, lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com (Lara J Allen) asked: >do they think that the honorable law of axes and saws is truly > honorable? should the oaks have their come uppance? >or should the maples just survive the way they are? I don't think we're supposed to feel any sympathy one way or the other for the Maples or the Noble Law. It is easy, however, to feel concern for a group who is consistently trodden upon by larger and more powerful individuals. In the song, what is it that finally makes all the trees equal? A "law" enforced by "hatchet, axe, and saw"... This is a very accurate parallel to human society. A kid gets beaten up in the street by larger kids, who must face the wrath of a law designed to "cut them down" if you will--but that same law has to apply to everyone, the whole forest. I think there is little "honor" in the plight of the Maples and the "Law". What's honorable about Maples is that they are beautiful trees, they symbolize a country. Oaks are honorable because they are sturdy and useful trees, although we don't eat oak syrup. So the only way to appease the Maples, who demand more light, is to cut down the oaks--not honorable. But if only Oaks were cut down, the Law would be discriminatory and unfair. So it seems the only way to solve the problem is to enforce a law that is harmful and helpful at the same time. People will always complain and demand better laws without having the foresight to protect against greater problems in the future--thats human nature. I just wish we didn't have to level the forest.... cAm cfabrams@eos.ncsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------
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