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The National Midnight Star, Number 191
Wednesday, 13 March 1991
Today's Topics:
Oops
Help...
I drank 12 beers
a stupid story
a pound of obscure
(none)
Pink Floyd / Rush
Xanadu and AFTK stuff
Xanadu
A & Q
List of Mailing Lists
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Subject: Oops
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 12:04:06 EST
From: RUSH Fans Digest Manager <rush-mgr>
In the last issue of the NMS, I misspoke myself. It may have been
apparent from the context, but when I said:
"Have you checked out the Floyd mailing list/newsletter?"
and went on to praise it's quality, I was really referring to the
Yes mailing list/newsletter. It is much more than a digest; it has
articles, letters, etc., just like a magazine. Amazing.
In addition, the latest list of mailing lists is included later in
this digest, thanks to Steve Owen (one of them). :-)
Also, in the FAQL it was erroneously reported that Neil's editorial on
Satanism was in issue #28, when it is actually in issue #22. This has
been corrected in the FAQL in Digest #184 (latest FAQL).
Sorry for any confusion!
Editor,
The National Midnight Star
(RUSH fans mailing list)
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 15:03:02 -0500
From: Michael S Savett <savvy@chopin.udel.edu>
Subject: Help...
To the guy that attends Lehigh University who has a friend 'Chris'
that lives near Newark, Delaware, please get in touch with me. I
can't find Chris' number...
Thanks,
Michael
savvy@chopin.udel.edu
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From: rstark@aipna.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:09:44 GMT
Subject: I drank 12 beers
Is definately sung on one of the videos (the only one with "Finding My Way,
which I guess would be Exit...Stage Left). My girlfriend noticed this
before I did, quite recently actually.
My guess, dear Mr. Rush Manager, is that you already have it!
[ Umm, I may be slipping, but is "Finding My Way" on ESL? I thought it
was on ATWAS only. As far as I know the only vid of FMW is from an
ooolllldd Don Kirshner's Rock Concert, circa 1975. :rush-mgr ]
While I'm posting...
As for bad lyrics, I agree with those who mentioned
"tension so thick you could cut it with a knife". Others
that make me cringe:
"Like the fool on television, getting paid to play the fool"
ALL of the "fanning the fires while feeding the flame" song on HOF
(I always skip this one...I really can't bear it)
Actually, (and I have been holding back on saying this because
I have no desire to start a flame war), I think, on the whole,
Rush's lyrics are basically quite poor. Now I say this as a massive
fan, seen them every tour since 1979, listen five hours a day, etc. etc.,
but I listen for the *music* and have developed the fine art of ignoring the
often atrocious lyrics.
My basic complaint can be summed up using one of their songs. Neil
tends to *tell* not *show* things. He tends to write very rational,
"left brain" stuff, while the music is so intensly emotional. He
often deals with emotions as a theme, but writes *about* them rationally.
A good example of this is "Emotion Detector" on PoW. "When we lift
the covers from our feelings, we expose the insecure spots." The entire
song writes about emotions without itself being emotional! The *music*,
on the other hand, is quite good.
I guess I find Neil's writing style a bit immature. It is sort of
overly sincere, and often pretentious. My girlfriend was commenting
on this a couple of days ago, how her favorite Rush songs (Bastille Day,
The Trees, and Natural Science) have very very pretentious lyrics,
but she thinks this is funny (*not* what Neil intended).
Now, every once in a while, there are some appropriately emotional lyrics,
that match the music (personal fave: "When I leave I don't know what I'm
hoping to find..." indeed, my favorite lyrics are on Signals for the most
part, also "Available Light").
Admittedly, I have a bias: I think that song lyrics should be emotional. But
one can still be clever, and make a point nimbly (eg Elvis Costello), while
Rush lyrics are often ponderous. But hey, my favorite songwrite is Rickie
Lee Jones, who probably no one else on this list listens to.
I am risking flames here to find out if there are any other people on this list
who also are a bit embarassed sometimes at Rush lyrics, while being completely
devoted to the music!
flames to a minimum, please-
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 18:25 EST
From: V126HPUN@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: a stupid story
hey there from buffalo, new york, the home of the 1 point losers. i
have a stupid little rush-related story to tell. i live about 80 miles
from toronto, rush's home town. last year, i was looking around a
record store in toronto when a man and his wife came up to me. this
happened on the day when a show of hands came out. anyway, the guy
asked me, "can you help help me? my son wants the new rush album. can
you tell me which one it is. i pointed the album out to him, and he
proceded to tell me that he was geddy and alex's english teacher in
highschool. i dont remember the rest of the conversation exactly,
but the jist of it went along the lines that he was suprised they
were so famous. well, i told you it was stupid, but then again im
a new member, so what do you expect.
to rob harris at u mich. , who loves you baby? (telly)
p.s. new york giants go to hell!!!!!!!!!
later, mark caserta suny buffalo
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1991 19:02:53 EST
From: RH2@JAGUAR.UCS.UOFS.EDU (Rebel, Runner, Restless young Romantic)
Subject: a pound of obscure
halloo! it's rose!
it's me again. i fear i may have caused confusion
with my last post(nms #18something). i want
to achieve a 'Dynamic File' of musicians
*---------> this is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, a poll <---------*
it will be a list of active musicians
who are looking for other such
musicians with whom they may
collaborate. got it?
please include name,
address, phone(opt),
instrument, age,
whatever you
want others
to know...
everybody's got something to hide 'cept me
and my monkey
(that's not neil!?)
rose
ps. ever think the songs on p/g would
make a lovely soundtrack for a james
bond movie?
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From: dave.bbs@shark.cs.fau.edu (David Edward Weiss)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 19:37:16 EST
Subject: Dangerous Dave explains his humor / YES tour info
ok, ok, for eveveryone (and their brother) who doesn't have a sense
of humor, here is a brief explanation:
i heard this great joke from a Rabbi i know. yes, i'm actually
quite Jewish. i thought the joke was so funny that i stuck it in my
sig file. of course, 10,000 non-humor-containing letters promptly
arrived shortly after telling me that i was anti-semitic. i thought
that was funny (has anyone ever checked my name?), but decided to
change it anyway, if only to limit the number of mail messages i
receive daily to 100 or so. i have now make the joke generic, and i
expect no more flames, please.
point 2: everyone keeps asking about YES' tour
some dope:
Yessongs '91 (Around the World in 80 Dates) seems to be a concert-in-
the-round, featuring Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire, Kaye,
White, and Rabin. how did they arrange this? beats the shit out of me,
but i'm camping out anyway the second i hear a date for tickets in my
area. so far they have planned dates for 3 months or so in Europe
and the north part of this country.
point 3: Max Webster.
i have a factory-sealed copy of the "Universal Juveniles" album.
i'm looking to trade for something equally rare. i want a 45 RPM
single for countdown (you know, the space shuttle one). if someone
really drives a hard bargain, i can throw in a rare tape or 2.
point 4: Trivia question from Hell!
can anyone out there name Neil's first band and its members?
(Hint: it's from '68 or so)
[ Ooh, I do, I do!! :-) :rush-mgr ]
point 5: interesting percussion:
what about the use of light bulbs in YYZ?
good night, god bless, etc.,
dangerous dave (now ethnic free!)
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why don't piranha attack [insert your favorite religious/ethnic/racial
group here] lawyers? professional courtesy!
purity test score results: 17.3% (12/90) 1,000 ques. version
weissd@tuna.cs.fau.edu (UNIX site, Gary Moore fan club address)
dave.bbs.@shark.cs.fau.edu (discrete, confidential, and worth the price)
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 18:33:43 EST
From: LIFE. LIVE IT. <mailrus!iuvax!bsu-ucs!00javaughn@uunet.UU.NET>
Subject: Pink Floyd / Rush
Okay, sorry for misunderstanding your comment, rush-mgr. I thought you were
knocking the Floyd for letting thier lasers, equipment, etc. take over the show
and not being more 'human' in concert.
As for the PF list you mentioned, are you subscribing to the same one I do?
The one I get I would not call professional, as the same messages get posted
every issue. It is also available in a real-time format, and my friend is
having a hell of a time cancelling his subscription. He had over 200 messages
just from them over spring break! And of the 200, there were about 35 messages
that kept repeating over and over and over and over....
[ See comments in the first post in this issue. :rush-mgr ]
Joshua.
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Subject: Xanadu and AFTK stuff
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 23:51:43 -0800
From: kmarino@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Okay, okay, so this is my first post. Well the OB statement goes something
like this, "Please excuse (forgive) me for this is my first..."
Now that that's out of the way...
Some talk about AFTK and especially Xanadu. These topics are very near
and dear to me as this is probably my favorite album. (Not that any others
fail by comparison.)
Xanadu (IMHO) is about a man that longs for companionship but is destined
to be alone for eternity. He admittedly has what he needs to survive, but
something is missing. That something is why he longs to "escape these caves
of ice". What a metaphor :-), he is implying that it is cold (ice, huh)
w/o what he longs for. Too short a summary for such a great song, I know.
IMO though, why aren't there any discussions about one of Geddy's greats?
I mean Cinderella Man. I love this song. It has a complex meaning of
being cynical. In some aspects he has a cynical view, while he condems
those views at the same time [what irony ;-)]. This is impressive for a
non Neil lyric. I'd love to hear what y'all think on this issue.
Clapping hands to:
Marshall for a good OBBQ joke (see NMS #187)
Geddy, Alex, Neil for finding each other, and for finding me.
All of you for talking about one of my favorite subjects.
My mother for, uh, well I'm taking this far too seriously
To Mike Goodwin
(Please be kind y'all) I have liked RUSH since FBN sorta...
I knew of a song called Fly by Night and liked it, but I never
got around to investigating the source of this song. It wasn't
until PoW that I became a hardcore fanatic. I fell in love with
Manhatten Project. What words... what music...
Feat of the 90's:
I now own every RUSH cd in american release. (I'm always on
the hunt for those special imports on cd, but no luck yet. Any
suggestions?) I also have a live BL (oops, did I say a nasty?) of
the trio in St. Louis in 1980. Great sound quality but it is vinyl
and I don't like vinyl much anymore (lets not discuss vinyl vs.
cd on the NMS, email me directly if you have a problem w/this
attitude).
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Keith Marino * OBRQ: "Because he was human
kmarino@bonnie.ics.uci.edu * Because he had goodness
* Because he was moral
"Life is Like a kumquat, * They called him insane..."
Ya mean Life isn't a kumquat?" * - G. Lee
- Maxwell Smart, Agent 86 *
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 10:18:30 EST
From: carl%fivegl@mercury.gen.nz
Subject: Xanadu
(To rush-mgr: Sorry if this subject was thrashed to death in recent days,
but I have no way of knowing - I only received issue 185 of the NMS today.
We're a bit behind down here. In the event that this idea has already been
discussed, you will find a suicide capsule included in the header to this
document. A year of flaming on the net compressed into a single pill.
Mail it back to me)
[ Yeah, sorry, mail off the continent has been flakey for the last week or
so. Something to do with Uunet.uu.net and/or Relay. :rush-mgr ]
ed@iitmax.iit.edu (Ed Federmeyer) asks:
> 4a) Why was the guy trapped in "Xanadu"? Why couldn't he just leave
> the pleasure dome and resume a mortal life? Was it like
> "Shangri-La" in Lost Horizon, by James Hilton, where once you
> leave, you turn real old and crumble into dust real fast?
I always imagined that the immortality he received went hand in hand with
loss of freedom. I imagined that he was actually physically restrained, so
"Held within the pleasure dome..." meant that he was actually held, rather
than just held trapped in immortality as something horrible once you have
it (endless boredom?) as corrie@fiu.edu (Corrie) mentions - although that
is also interesting.
But I saw it as immortality as in turned to a living statue. There was
a Dr Who episode, and I can't remember much about it now, which had
immortality granted to someone, but only as an immortal face on the
side of a marble slab. You could only move your eyes about, and even
that was limited to about 5 seconds worth, when someone else was made
immortal to share your slab with you.
Gives "To taste my bitter triumph" a rather darker tone, doesn't it!
<The All Seeing I>
Iieee! The NMS! The dark goat of the woods with a thousand rush quotes!
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From: "Ian D Bjorhovde" <idbst@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Subject: A & Q
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 91 13:27:27 EDT
Hello fellow Rush-Dudes:
I have not posted for a while, so I figured that I should
probably say something. I have an answer to one person, and a few more
questions:
First, to the person who asked about Rush sheet music
anthologies: I know of many. Rush Complete (2 Vols) is a collection of
all of the music from RUSH - PoW. I have Vol II. It has a black cover
with the man/star logo in blue. It has all of the music & lyrics from PeW to
PoW. I assume that Vol I has the lyrics from RUSH to PeW. I have also
seen many books that contain the music from one album, like HYF, SIG,
PoW, etc. I also saw the Music for Presto last September in a store by
me.
Now the questions: Who is the girl on the cover of PeW and ESL?
To the person who saw Freewill play in Youngstown: When did
they last play there? When are they going to play there again? I would
like to go see them, so if you could Email me (address below) I would
appreciate it.
Is there anyone on this list that is at the University of
Arizona? I don't have the time to go through the entire list of names,
so I would appreciate it if you could Email me (see address below)- I
have a few questions about the U of A. Thanks.
"Thank you for your support"
-Bartles, from B&J Wine Cooler Commercial
(or was that James?)
Ian Bjorhovde idbst@unix.cis.pitt.edu
University of Pittsburgh
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Also, I personally would like to see a _U2_ list, but don't have the system
resources... would anyone like to start one up... please?
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