The National Midnight Star #130

Errors-To: rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu Reply-To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Sender: rush@syrinx.umd.edu Precedence: bulk From: rush@syrinx.umd.edu To: rush_mailing_list Subject: 12/14/90 - The National Midnight Star #130
** ____ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ** ** / /_/ /_ /\ / /__/ / / / / /\ / /__/ / ** ** / / / /__ / \/ / / / / /__/ / \/ / / /___ ** ** ** ** __ ___ ____ ** ** /\ /\ / / \ /\ / / / _ /__/ / ** ** / \/ \ / /___/ / \/ / /___/ / / / ** ** ** ** ____ ____ ___ ___ ** ** /__ / /__/ /__/ ** ** ____/ / / / / \ ** The National Midnight Star, Number 130 Friday, 14 December 1990 Today's Topics: Bests & worsts Signals Comments on Latest NMS Hold Your Fire the ongoing Signals debate...(longer than usual) Anything from Nov 6 to anniv ed. Re: 12/13/90 - The National Midnight Star #129 ---------------------------------------------------------- Well, today begins the end-of-semester purges. I have a list of about 15 people who will drop off the list (hopefully temporarily); some today (after this digest is sent), some next week. I'd like to thank them for giving me advance warning - it makes my life *much* easier. Remember, if you do want to be dropped for the holiday break *only*, you'll have to send mail when you get back to re-subscribe. rush-mgr ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 11:16:55 EST From: jek@egrlab.ac.duke.edu (James Kittock) Subject: Bests & worsts Ok, I can see this discussion is pointless... we all are going to have our own opinions and advertising our favorites will get us nowhere (sorta like RS bashing). I was surprised that their older albums were so poorly represented in the poll, though. When I want to jump around my apartment and play electric tennis racket (call me a bassist wannabe), there is nothing like The Temples of Syrinx or Didacts and Narpets (BTW, is Narpets just supposed to be an anagram of Parents?). [ To your question: yes. To your statement prior to that, there's nothing like _2112_ or _Fly By Night_ at high volume to help me unwind after a long day! :rush-mgr ] Ok, I am new here, so what's with the Satanism stuff? I haven't seen this interview or whatever. I'm interested a) because it is about Rush and b) because I think "Satanism" is interesting in the way that it reflects on societal groupthink, etc. (Amusingly, I had the nickname Satan in my dorm last year... :-) ). --james James Kittock Duke University Class of 1992, Computer Science/Math/Russian Major jek@egrlab.ac.duke.edu PO Box 5750 DS, Durham, NC 27706 USA "Another war-- another waste land-- and another lost generation..." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 11:44:30 -0500 From: dchao@ecn.purdue.edu (David H Chao) Subject: Signals In regards to the responses about _Signals_, here's a different way to look at it. _Signals_ was the first album after _Exit.. Stage Left_ and thus was a transition album of sorts. If you read about the making of _Signals_ in Visions, the groups talk about the problems they had working with the new soundsthey were trying, like the synthesizers, etc. So instead of saying that _Sig- nals_ is their worst album, it might be more accurate to say that is was not as good as Rush hoped it would be. Which is not all that bad... because it made them work even harder to clean things up for the later albums. -Dave David Chao dchao@en.ecn.purdue.edu ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 14:01 EDT From: Douglas Schwabe - Forbes Quad Lab <CSCHWABE@vms.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Comments on Latest NMS I am a new subscriber to the NMS and I am impressed with the content of the magazine. However, I have to make a few statements to the individual(s) who think "Signals" is a terrible album. This album became the turning point of Rush's career and became a springboard for albums i.e. Grace Under Pressure, PowerWindows, and Hold Your Fire. Signals was not an over-produced album. If you ask me, it is a crude ly produced album. At that time the band was starting to incorporate more of Geddy's Synth work. The album was dominated by synths, therefore putting Alex's guitar work in the background. And remember this, Signals was the last producing collaboration with Terry Brown. Brown was used to producing records that were dominated by Alex's guitar work and Neil's explosive drumming. Also remember that they changed producers after Signals, (Peter Henderson for Grace). This resulted in a more polished album, incorporating Geddy's synth work and Alex's guitar work in a more unified fashioned. Enough about this, sounds like I'm writing a paper defending this record. And another thing, do you ever notice that after the band makes a highly artistic record (like Grace and Hold your Fire) they always come back rockin' (like Powerwindows and Presto)? Seems like when the band goes off on one tangent, they always go back to their roots, so to speak. Presto is an excellent example of this. With songs like Show Don't Tell, Chain Lightning, and Superconductor they rock out. Rolling Stone critics are assholes, always have, always will. They always pan some one with a tremendous amount of talent, like Rush, and gives kudos to bands like the Cure who obviously have no talent whatsoever. I don't read them anymore because I got tired of their pompus attitude. I recently picked up Chronicles and I thought it is one of the best compilation albums on the market today. However, I feel that they omitted about 10 songs that are just apart of Rush's history than the ones on the album. Here they are (in no chronological order) Xanadu XYZ In The End Analog Kid Digital Man In The Mood The Pass SuperConductor Open Secrets Lock and Key Mission Different Strings Entre Nous Ok, so I can go on and on, but I do there would be enough songs here to make another tape or CD (forgive the double Entre Nous). That's why I believe they did not put these songs on the compilation. There are too many four or five song box sets on the market that they felt that it would be better to make this compilation a two cd set. Oh, well, I'll just have to make my own compilation. Well, I have to go to work now. To the staff and subscribers of the NMS have a Merry Christmas and a Happy 1991. So Long for now. Douglas Schwabe ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 15:13 EDT From: Douglas Schwabe - Forbes Quad Lab <CSCHWABE@vms.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Hold Your Fire In NMS #129 Jeff Wilson stated that Signals is a better album than Hold your Fire. HYF is the best album that Rush has released since Moving Pictures and Signals. Musically it is one of the innovative albums they made as the band incorporates jazz fusion elements. These elements are evident in "Open Secrets", probably the best track on the album. The band also loosened it's image on songs like "Time Stand Still" and "Second Nature". Overall, Rush took alot of chances with HYF and they paid off many times over. It may not be one of their most popular albums, as judged by the recent readers poll, but it is still one of the most interesting albums they have ever made. This album will stand the test of time and will be look back as one of their greatest albums ever made. Refering to NMS #81 and the reference to Kim Mitchell and Max Webster has any of these guys released anything new lately? About two months ago I heard Kim's "Go For a Soda" for the first time in many years. Occasionally I watch reruns of "Miami Vice" and I hear "Soda" on an episode or two. Please keep me informed when either of these guys comes out with anything. Well, that's all for now. Every one have a nice holiday!!! Doug Schwabe Forbes Quadrangle Computing Lab University of Pittsburgh (cschwabe@vms.cis.pitt.edu or (dgsst4@vms.cis.pitt.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 20:53:54 EST From: pmw3y@chaos.cs.Virginia.EDU Subject: the ongoing Signals debate...(longer than usual) Well, since the ever-present debate on Signals (and whether Rush "choked" in making it) is one of my pet topics about the band, I thought I'd throw my two cents in the hat. The problem I've always had with Signals has been one of execution, not conception. I think there are some very interesting musical structures on the album (drums as pretty much a lead instrument on 'digital man', the rolling synth bottom end to 'the weapon', Geddy cutting loose for keyboard solos on 'subdivisions' and 'countdown'), as well as some deserving-of-note lyrics by the Professor. I can't speak for anyone else, but listening to Geddy sing 'be cool or be cast out' definitely summed up part of my high school days. How true that one Rolling Stone comment was, that 'Subdivisions' was the song that spoke to a previously neglected audience of young people (probably the most insightful comment I've ever read in that rag). What has always bothered me about Signals (readers of TNMS might remember; I've posted a few times about it) is the (IMHO) VERY poor job of mixing that was done. Alex really got shafted in the mix for Signals, IMO. True, the emphasis on that album really was on the synthesizer, and the new things that it could add to the band's sound, but I really think they went way too far (leading to the over-reaction in favor of the guitar on Grace Under Pressure). But there is some very nice music on Signals, and some really fine lyrical work. Even if (as the band obviously thinks) Signals was in sum a failed effort, I think it was valuable to them as a learning experience and as a developmental stage. And I don't think any of the Boyz would disagree with that :). On 'Countdown': I've read in an interview where Neil supposedly was not at all pleased with the way the lyrics turned out for it. I tend to agree; 'Countdown' has its moments, musically and lyrically, but I've always been more enamored of the song for what it could have been than what it is. Of course, your mileage may vary: this is all my own opinion, and I brought my walkman so you guys won't have to hear the manifestations of my opinion if you don't wanna! :) Someone (i keep trying to remember to copy attribution lines but I never do) mentioned that Power Windows was their least favorite album, citing in particular 'the big money' and how it isn't the kind of song only Rush could do. That's true; 'the big money' (indeed all of Power Windows) is their most FM-accessible piece of work, but I think people who slam it based on that might be letting the "5 - RollingStone'sRating" scale have a little too much free rein. I think Power Windows stands out especially in the lyrical department. 'the big money', 'manhattan project', 'middletown dreams', 'emotion detector'...these all strike me as very polished, very pointed examples of Neil at his best. Contrast this with lyrics like those on, say, Presto, where Neil really mailed in the lyrical effort on most of the album, IMHO. (!!!! I'm not going after Presto with a chainsaw here; I think Presto's musical approach was a good new thing for Rush to try after the increasing density and layered-ness of the Signals -> Hold Your Fire quartet. The lyrical content of Presto, however, disappointed me greatly. 'Available Light' and 'scars' are the shining exceptions to this; AL is the best song on the album.) I also appreciate Power Windows for its obvious attention to detail in the post-production process; the different sounds of the album really mesh well IMO. As I said before, "polished" is a word that I think describes Power Windows very well. Of course, our readers may not be into "polish" in their music, but that's their choice. And, finally (whew!), I want to point out (if there's anyone who doesn't realize it) one of the major reasons that TNMS is such a good list (aside from the scintillating subject matter): of course, the one, the only Rush-mgr. His preemptive strikes of not only flame-bait, but also those common questions that otherwise would generate a flood of responses and (for most of us) greatly decrease the signal/noise ratio make a big difference in my book. If you ever make it down to Charlottesville, you got a brewski comin, dude. :) [ Great! I like Canadian beer/ale ... :-) :rush-mgr ] ORQ: ".....and the meek shall inherit the earth.." -- Geddy being thrown off by Alex during the encore, ASOH ---------- Patrick Widener Internet: pmw3y@virginia.edu Department of Computer Science ICBM_Net: 38.02 N, 78.30 W University of Virginia "Do you know what time it is?" "Sorry, I took my watch apart." ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 18:10:14 EST From: mallsop@stimage.mqcc.mq.oz.au (Mark Allsop) Subject: Anything from Nov 6 to anniv ed. Hi all, I'm coming to you via my friend and fellow Rushian, Mark (Hi!), at Macquarie University in Sydney. Access to this means of communication is limited, so if anyone would like to communicate through more traditional methods, my address is:- Alan Nicolle 11/24 Barry Street NEUTRAL BAY 2089 NSW AUSTRALIA Anyway, I have a few contributions to make in regards to various letters. I wrote to Neil back during the HYF tour. I sent the letter through Modern Drummer Magazine, and they forwarded it to him - they must have, 'coz they wrote back. 'Imagine That!' On the subject of past tour dates - I picked up a recording from radio of Rush live in 1974. I'm not up on what's where, but the voice-over mentioned The Agora, and Ged says "It's been a few months since we've been in Cleveland". The voice-over also said something like WMMS. It was also the first time that "Anthem" was played... Make of this what you will... The date on the tape says December 16, 1974. May I add something to the now-old Christianity debate... I figure as a Christian myself, I could shed some new light, (pardon the pun), but y'see, as a Christian, I do feel an obligation to be a little descerning when choosing what to listen to. When it comes to Rush, all I can see and hear are 3 very credible people who produce above-average quality music, with lyrics that are so deeply rooted in basic human nature. How often have we sat listening to a new Rush song, and saying "Hey! I've felt that!" The examples are endless with this band. The point I'd like to make is aimed at Mr. Crimson... I realise that there are so many jerks out there who give the Christian faith a bad name, and these back-masking witch hunters are a classic example. But Mr. Peart did mention that we tend to read about the exceptions in the papers every day. The basic premise of Christianity, (one of them), comes in the fact that humans can't be trusted as a reliable advertisement for God. You can't judge Christianity by Christians, but only by the bloke whose name appears on the faith... Read Mark's gospel. Anyway, this maybe the last time I'll appear here. This is a great medium for communicating thoughts about Rush, but I'd love to get in touch with people who could handle the waiting game of our respective mail systems. Apart from Rush, I like Yes, Kansas, Eric Johnson, Pat Metheny, The Goon Show and Woody Allen and the Marx Bros. I'm an island looking for some hopeful bridges to survive in this vacuum. The Analog Kid (Australia) Contact also via:- Mark Allsop Computer Scientist email: mallsop@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au The Statistical Laboratory Phone: At MacUni: (61 2) 805-8592 / \ Macquarie University, Australia Fax : : (61 2) 805-7433 | This one goes up to 11..... ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 02:25:23 EST From: mike spiegel <H97SI@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Re: 12/13/90 - The National Midnight Star #129 hello out there, I don't know how many of you remember, but Rush has had television credit On CBS-TV there was a show aptly called '1986'. Who out there knows the song that filled the opening and closing credits?...:) (Answer tomorrow) ...UNTIL LATER... Mike Spiegel(h97si@cunyvm) P.S. Incase anyone is a interested m GUP is a fantastic album to study to. In this time of finals I hope many of you find this helpful, you will not regret it. ----------------------------------------------------------
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