The National Midnight Star #21

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RUSH Fans Digest, Number 21 Wednesday, 1 August 1990 Today's Topics: Any guitarists out there willing to discuss Lifeson's style?? Many things: The Pass, questions, best/worst, more questions The Body Electric & The Pass The Pass and other ramblings Stellar Dynamics, YYZ The Pass -- an analysis (none) "He won't need a bed, he's a Digital Man" ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Any guitarists out there willing to discuss Lifeson's style?? From: MGOODWIN@maine.maine.edu (J. Michael Goodwin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:46:19 EDT I'm interested in trying to get his tone down, but I'm having difficulty (too much of a perfectionist). I'd like to get that clean tone with the hard edge. I'd also be intersted in discussing his style, chord progressions, equip set-up , etc. Mike Goodwin Mgoodwin@maine _______________________________________________________________________________ Living in the Limelight The universal dream For those who wish to seem Those who wish to be Must put aside the alienation Get on with the fascination The real relation The undelying theme ^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:23:19 PDT From: Ron Chrisley <chrisley@parc.xerox.com> Subject: Many things: The Pass, questions, best/worst, more questions Several things: First, I'll close my discussion of "The Pass" with this. Of course the song is about teenage suicide. Of course, there is the reading where "Christ" is a mere expletive. But Peart is a clever guy, right? And whenever something is featured as prominently as the last line in that song, he usually has several meanings intended. I don't think he is the kind of writer that just puts in "Christ" as an expletive without being conscious of its connotations. That's what a lot of Peart's writing is doing: juxtaposing literal and figurative interpretations. And given the context of suicide, the mention of a particular "someone"... But anyway, enough. I'm happy if most people don't see it as anti-Christian. A question: what does bringing "a sea-change to the factory floor" mean? (from "Red Tide") Another (trivial) question: does it sound to anyone else like Geddy is saying "Babylon" when he should be saying "Avalon" in the first chorus of "Digital Man"? There has been a discussion about favorite albums since ESL for those that joined before ESL. First, I think the ESL boundary to be strange. I know that there is a nice 4-studio-albums-then-live-album cycle, but I always thought the big jump was when Permanent Waves was released. That's when I consider the modern phase of Rush to begin (it was also when I got into them, but that is beside the point!). Just my opinion... again... Oh yeah. My favorite album since then? Signals or Power Windows. Album Best Worst Permanent Waves Natural Science <none> Moving Pictures The Camera Eye/YYZ Limelight Signals The Weapon/Digital Man Countdown P/G Red Lenses/Between The Wheels Kid Gloves Power Windows Territories Middletown Dreams Hold Your Fire Turn the Page Tai Shan Presto Show Don't Tell/Chain Lightning Red Tide Hope the formatting came out OK. I really like the presence of piano on the new album, especially in "Available Light" By the way, what do people think of "Battle Scar"? How about some more reviews of the Gowan album? I didn't know it had Tony Levin and Jerry Moratta on it! Oh yeah: my friend wants to know who did the art for A Show of Hands. Did Lifeson? Ron Chrisley chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Xerox PARC SSL New College Palo Alto, CA 94304 Oxford OX1 3BN, UK (415) 494-4728 (865) 793-484 ---------------------------------------------------------- From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan A.C. Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 11:50:41 PDT Subject: The Body Electric & The Pass About the line "Christ, what have you done?", I don't think it's about the panic that the suicide feels before the pills take effect or whatever; it's about how people feel about the person afterward. I had a friend commit suicide last year, and I can tell you, you don't end up feeling sorry for the person. You're pissed off. Angry. Sad, too, of course, but the rage comes out right afterward. As for 1001001, I'm with the people that think they just dropped the last syllable for musical reasons, and the '$' is a coincidence. The song is about an android coming to life and trying to escape, to change its own program. The word 'I' makes sense in that context. The symbol '$' makes no sense at all unless you stretch a lot. I suppose the android might be fighting against some corporate interest that controls it, or something like that, but I think if Neil had had that on his mind he would have said so outright, instead of hiding it in some fragment of binary code. People have been justifying a lot of their guesses about the meanings of the binary code by talking about Ayn Rand--'I' and '$' were both significant in her works. I'm unclear on why people think that's relevant; Ayn Rand and Neil Peart are very different people. In fact, to all appearances, Neil isn't even a particularly big admirer of Rand's anymore, so what she said or thought has no relation to what Peart was saying in The Body Electric. Rand obviously had an influence on the band when they made 2112, in--what, 1973? The Body Electric was recorded more than ten years later. People often admire Ayn Rand when they're young, and grow out of it later, and I think that's what happened with Neil, considering some of his later lyrics (the song on Hold Your Fire, with the lyric "We fight the fire while we're feeding the flame," would make Ayn Rand retch). Just because we know Neil's read Rand's books and used to like them, is no reason to figure that Rand's books will give any major insight into his lyrics. He also read Kierkegaard, but it would be patently silly to base an analysis of a Rush song wholly on something we read in Kierkegaard, right? So let's stop invoking Ayn Rand as an authority on Peart. eh ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 16:55:00 EDT From: GREG GORING <CS110255@Sol.YorkU.CA> Subject: The Pass and other ramblings Well, when i first play a new album (or CD now) i just relax and listen to it without really paying attention to what ius being sung.After the first time i then follow the song by looking at the words.But when i bought PRESTo ,when The Pass came on i really payed close attention to what was being sung. It caught my attentionas being a real powerful written song.With Geddy 'pounding' the bass at the beginning gave me the impression as a heart beating in the person who is just about jump from that rocky ledge. I'm not really a religious person (never going to church ever except weddings) i never looked at it being a christ-bashing song,just a song about suicide and the last line 'Christ what have you done' refering to the person's friends/family reaction when they had found out the the person had comitted suicide. i ,personally, belive that this is the best song that Neil has ever written ( Subdivisions ranking a close second which has almost the same effect on me like the pass ). Well i'm one of those Rush fans who has heard of their best songs but started to buy their records at the time of Grace Under Pressures so in effect i'm more used to Rush's later albums than the earlier albums.My fav since ESF has to be Power Windows (though Presto is catching up).That album has something different than the others.I don't really like Signals as much as others but SUB. and Analog Kid stand up among the rest of the songs on the album.With Grace U P i thought they basically forgot how to play up to their standards.I liked AfterImage and The Enemy Within (?) and i like the 2 science fiction based videos. On the Presto Tour,I had seat in the Greens (those people who have seen been in Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto will know what i mean ) but i was right at the stage on Geddy's side.It was great to see few keyboards on stage so Geddy can roam along on stage. I could actually see Geddy pretty good ( unlike HYF tour where i was on the opposite side of the gardens ) and then technicians making the rabbits move!!!! On the way to the show i had the feeling that they would play Xanadu and they did!! (well most of it at least).I was also surprised that they played FREE WILL and Red Barchetta. I guess the boys are getting somewhat bored of having play the same the ending to the show so the didn't play complete songs ( i.e.play 2112 Overture but not Temple OF Syrinx,La Villa S. and In the mood. ). VoidVod opened up but i was impressed with them though.It was unusual to see them open while on the last few tours they had FM and Chalk Circle who are completely different to voidvod. Greg G. CS110255@YUSOL ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 14:27:38 PDT From: ronz@imager3.llnl.gov (Ron Zasadzinski) Subject: Stellar Dynamics, YYZ >Well, as far as I can remember, the previewed songs were Fly By Night and >Best I Can on Stellar Dynamics, Ho! I've seen 'Stellar Dynamics' mentioned a few times in the newsletter, but I am clueless. Can somone please post a few lines describing what 'Stellar Dynamics' refers to? _______ Many thanks to you out there who revealed what '1001001' and '100100' were in ASCII. It is always a great joy to discover references like that in Neil's lyrics! So much of what he writes is deliberate and purposeful. Nary a word wasted. I especially appreciate his ability to write in such a way that many levels of meaning can be found. This is 'TRUE Ambiguity': not that the meaning is unclear, but that many meanings and levels of meaning are present. Different meanings are revealed depending on one's state of consciousness. Speaking of 'hidden' references, did anyone else out there realize that YYZ is the three-letter-identifier for Toronto's International Airport? -Ron Zasadzinski "All the World's indeed a stage! We are merely players, Performers and portrayers..." -ORQ ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 18:27 EST From: "I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon." <ORION%WSU.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: The Pass -- an analysis Greetings RUSHans -- In response to Ron Chrisley's analysis of "The Pass" (it being my favorite Rush song of all), I feel I must reply. Ron takes the song in a completely different direction than I. From the one line: "Christ, what have you done." he seems to extract an entirely religious meaning behind it the song. I, however, seem to think that it's about suicide, more to the point, TEEN suicide. As we all know, Neil seems to write about the anguish of youth, and there seems to be nohting more deserving of Neil's lyrics than the aforementioned topic. So, what I'm a-gonna do is take the song and analyze it, as _I_ see it (not trying to dig on you, Ron) "Proud swagger out of the schoolyard Waiting for the world's applause Rebel without a conscience Martyr without a cause This part just seems to set up the time and place involved in the song. This understood character (let's call him Joe, for sake of ease) is doing whatever to gain recognition and recieving nothing in return. His despair is hinted at when the mention of "martyr" is brought into it. I can see where Ron would say, "The martyr is Christ." I disagree. Neil has seemed to stay away from Christianity (yes, I'm Christian, too) all along. Why should he start now? "Static on your frequencies Electrical storm in your veins Raging at unreachable glory Straining at invisible chains. This details the pain that 'Joe' is going through, along with the confusion. The last line just plain tells you that he is in despair. "And now you're trembling on a rocky ledge Staring out into a heartless sea Can't face life on the razor's edge Nothing's what you thought it would be. This is symbolic in a way. The old stories detail suicide as jumping off a cliff into the ocean. That was always the most dramatic act in an old movie. The razor's edge just symbolizes the uncertainty of the situation. "All of us get lost in the darkness Dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter Dreamers turn to look at the stars. Turn around, turn around, turn around Turn around and walk the razor's edge Don't turn your back and slam the door on me. This is Neil speaking to 'Joe'. He's telling him that it's not as bad as everything seems. "Trun around, turn ..." is referring to the previous line. He's telling him to turn and ride out the problems. "It's not as if this barricade Blocks the only road. It's not as if you're all alone In wanting to explode Someone set a bad example Made surrender seems all right The act of a noble warrior Who's lost the will to fight This is Neil continuing to speak to 'Joe'. The second stanza just annotates Neil's opinion of suicide. Apparantly (to me, it obvious, but that's me), he feels that history has glorified suicide, making it an HONORABLE thing. "And now you're trembling at a rocky ledge Staring down into a heartless sea Done with life on the razor's edge Nothing's what you thought it would be... This shows the worsening situation. There are two subtle changes. In the second line, he changed OUT to DOWN, indicating nearness to the ledge. He also changed CAN'T FACE LIFE to DONE WITH LIFE, saying a decision is made. "No hero in your tragedy No daring in your escape No salutes for your surrender Nothing noble in your fate Christ, what have you done? This is after 'Joe' went ahead and killed himself, despite Neil's efforts. All of this stanza (except the last line) seems to drip with disdain for 'Joe', possible in an attempt to show the ugliness of the act. The last line however, perhaps the most powerful line Neil's ever written, IMHO, ALWAYS, INVARIABLY hits me like a sledgehammer. The way that Geddy sings it, along with the cut of all music adds up to a vision that is as clear to me in my mind's eye as I can see this computer in front of me. I see anyone, Neil, Joe, even ME, with tears in the eye, and a cracking voice at the funeral saying, "Christ, what have you done!" You see, the "Christ" is not in reference to Jesus. It is simply an explitive of anguish, nohting more. Anyone's comments are welcome (even appreciated)... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam Dickson | Nuke us if you like! Wright State University | We don't care! Dayton, Ohio | Actually, we encourage it! orion@wsu.BITNET | adickson@eve.wright.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 90 12:03 GMT From: Remember to always wear your Super Dave safety harness <CNBR10@vaxa.strathclyde.ac.uk> Now that we're talking about song interpretations again....has anyone thought about: "Beneath, Between and Behind" from Fly By Night? =========================== To me it's pretty clear it's all about your own good ol' USA folks... "Ten score years ago, defeat the kingly foe....a wondrous dream came into being..." Ten score years ago is 200 years....which takes the setting back to the late 18th century ....Fits neatly with American War of Independence..which ties in with: "Defeat the kingly foe" which will be a reference to King George the something-or-other...It was probably George the Third(?) ....Anyway us Brits. would like to give the excuse that we never liked him either as he was both certifiably mad and ...due to the strange ancestry of the British monarchy, was actually more German than British...so don't blame us! ..and we don't blame you for getting a bit pissed off with him...Anyway that's history so lets get back to the main story :-) The wondrous dream coming into being will be a reference to the American dream. Then: "Tame the trackless waste, no virgin land left chaste..all shining eyes, but never seeing" : Now we're on to the spreading of people into the west I reckon....then comes the first hint of Neil giving you a bit of a telling off for something....woops he's moralising... Then there's all sorts of references to "the noble bird" ..obviously the eagle....etc etc.... On the whole the song takes on another dimension if you make these relationships..rather than simply assuming some imaginary hypothetical land or time as the subject of the song. Perhaps even some of the Rush songs that we take for granted at the moment as delaing with imaginary issues can actually be related to concrete events from history or current topics of debate. I find myself delving back further and deeper into the "old" rush material more and more because it contains much more impressive work than is sometimes immediately visible...especially to people like me who first got introduced to rush in their "middle" stages (Moving Pictures onwards) and who initially perhaps see the older material as relatively raw and less musically and lyrically developed. This is a bad viewpoint because I've now found the older material has a brilliant appeal of its own......and further proves Rush's versatility and unique genius right from the day they started producing records. _______________________________________________________________________________ /~\ Never Trust An | CNBR10 Corp., VAX/VMS and UNIX Consultants /@@-\____--- Elephant In | "Pay up or we send the boys round to wipe / / / \ Dark Glasses. | your system disk" l/'\ /__\ /\, | \l lll lll | Service with a smile. :-) __~_"""___"""__________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------- Subject: "He won't need a bed, he's a Digital Man" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 90 09:21:19 EDT From: David Arnold <davida@umd5.UMD.EDU> In Digest #20 (7/31), antonyc%coil.caltech.edu@Tybalt.Caltech.Edu (Bill T. Cat) asked: >ok. now that someone's mentioned it, why doesn't the digital man >need a bed? Ok, here goes. I have an interview done with Geddy by Jim Ladd back on the Signals tour in which they discuss the songs from the album. The basis for that line is as follows: When they did _Moving Pictures_, they had played around with using digital equipment, and had needed a techie to work it. Now, as is the case with many techies (although *none* on *this* list :-) ), he was a bit of a dweeb, apparently. I think 'geek' is what Geddy used. Anyway, when they went into the studio to do _Signals_, they decided not to use that digital technology. The place they were recording (Le Studio?) was a small-ish studio, with a small building nearby which served as bunkhouse for the artists & crew. They were trying to figure out who would sleep where during the sessions, somebody mentioned that they wouldn't need a bed for the digital man, and voila! They said 'hey, what a great line!' Now you know. David Arnold Keywords: Rush, Neville Brothers, Squeeze, Crack the Sky, Peter Gabriel, ELP, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Inet: davida@umd5.umd.edu Talking Heads, Arc Of Ones (RIP), Stones, BOC, UUCP: uunet!umd5.umd.edu!davida King Crimson, Police, Grass Roots, Hollies ----------------------------------------------------------
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